Could really use some help here

[Garak]

http://feministing.com/archives/007480.html

[Virtue]

Don't waste your time.

[Suckerfish]

What ^^^^^^^^ said.

[Garak]

Don't waste your time.

Why? Some of them condone an "opt-out" for men.

[Suckerfish]

Of course they condone it. Anything that takes any power out of their hands is bad, no matter how fair it is. While I'm sure most of us could make plenty of logical arguments about how this makes things more equal, they don't want to hear any of it.

They want to have their cake and eat it too, which is why it's a waste of time.

[Cordell Walker]

 there is also some grade-a hindu kush in afghanistan.......but I aint goin

noa's ark, a time machine and the lost city of atlantis could be  in bagdad but I aint goin there to find out

  good luck to you, I would  be suprised if  you were able to keep a civil debate going on, I mean if they cant fathom that since it takes two maybe the other should have some say

[Kim]

If I thought anything I said would make the slightest difference, I'd enter the fray.  As it is, seeing as how I'm pro-life and completely in support of legislation requiring a minor parental consent in order to have an abortion AND feel the father should have a say in whether or not his child is aborted....somehow I feel my points would be lost.

[shard43]

Just like you don't engage cockroaches in existential debates, you don't involve feminists in discussions about fairness and equality.

[Cordell Walker]

although a left leaning lebertarian; I think  that abortion should be banned because
a)everbody knows how  women get pregnant
b) the means of  reducing chances of pregnancy to almost none are cheap and easy

[Garak]

Of course they condone it. Anything that takes any power out of their hands is bad, no matter how fair it is. While I'm sure most of us could make plenty of logical arguments about how this makes things more equal, they don't want to hear any of it.

They want to have their cake and eat it too, which is why it's a waste of time.

Condone was the wrong word to use. What I should have said was that some support an opt out for men.

This bill is over the top but I think the purpose of the bill is to force bargaining and while some people condemn this bill they say they would support a financial opt-out.

This proves this extreme bill is serving it's purpose, remember Matt Dubay.

[Virtue]

I think abortion should only be legal in cases of rape ,incest and imminent danger of death to the mother......apart from that women can use birth control or face the consequences of their actions.

[Virtue]

The bill itself yes I think it should be passed......trying to say anything other than the party line at feministing?....waste of keystrokes.

[Garak]

This bill is too extreme to be passed but it does open the door to more discussion on Roe v Wade for men.


With an opt-out for men, women would suddenly be forced to take responsibility and much of the trickery involved in pregnancy would naturally go away.

[Kim]

I think abortion should only be legal in cases of rape ,incest and imminent danger of death to the mother......apart from that women can use birth control or face the consequences of their actions.

I agree.  We all know how someone gets pregnant.  I feel that if you willingly engage in sex then you should be prepared to deal with the possible outcome.

[Garak]

I think abortion should only be legal in cases of rape ,incest and imminent danger of death to the mother......apart from that women can use birth control or face the consequences of their actions.

I agree.  We all know how someone gets pregnant.  I feel that if you willingly engage in sex then you should be prepared to deal with the possible outcome.

Yes, but trying to outlaw abortion would get us nowhere at this point.