Do you believe women are children - or can they, should they, be allowed to become fully functioning adults?
Too many people are willing to call someone "child." Females are adult females, and act like adult females. Men are adult men, and act like adult men. Feminists commonly accuse adult men of "hasn't grown up" as an ad-hominem attack.
Feminists also accuse young women of "still a child" even though she's at an age when adult women have been married and mothers for most of human history.
Over several decades of observation of the human condition Bob has observed that young adults of 16 do not think or act the same as adults of 26. They do not have the experience, maturity, judgement or perspective of a person 10 years older.
The following is also true. Young adults of 26 years do not think or act the same as adults of 36. They do not have the experience, maturity, judgement or perspective of a person 10 years older.
Adults of 36 years do not think or act the same as adults of 46. They do not have the experience, maturity, judgement or perspective of a person 10 years older.
Adults of 46 years do not think or act the same as adults of 56. They do not have the experience, maturity, judgement or perspective of a person 10 years older.
Adults of 56 years do not think or act the same as adults of 66. They do not have the experience, maturity, judgement or perspective of a person 10 years older.
In the early 20th century feminists and their psychobabble accomplices created the notion of "adolescence" in order to further their opposition to marriage by claiming that young women at the traditional age of marriage are not adults. They also use their psychobabble fiction to make millions of normal men into criminals.
Bob's position is that adults of whatever age are acting "like adults" (unless they have a particular mental defect) and should be treated like adults. Adult females should be treated like adult females. Of course adult females are not adult men and should not be treated like adult men. There is a difference despite feminist fiction claimng that there is not.
Prior to feminism, as I said, women were treated as children regardless of marriage. Sometimes this was to their benefit, sometimes not. Thus far they have not been willing to relinquish these benefits.
That sounds like a 20th century feminist fiction. I don't recall reading any pre-feminist literature saying that adult females should not be treated like adult females. A lot of the "what everybody knows" stuff we were taught in the 20th century is feminist propaganda fiction and needs to be questioned. Feminists may claim that they were "treated like children" but has that claim been verified and was that how men were actually treating their wives? I have not seen verification of it.
Feminists see "rape" as "power and control" because females use sex as a means of power and contorl of men. Men see "rape" as sex, because men use sex as sex. It's not hard to figure out which theory is represented in the above quote.
Bob you make the common mistake of looking at this purely from the rapist's standpoint. I agree that from that POV most rapes are about short term sexual gratification for the rapist. There are, however, TWO parties to the transaction.
I don't think that's quite what I meant. I was saying that feminists usually accuse rapists of being motivated by power and control because most females use normal sex for power and control. A big part of the female psychological loss during rape is her loss of her assumed power and control of men with sex.
Men normally don't use sex as power and control of females, sex is for sex to men. So the feminist claim that rape is done for power and control doesn't hold water. Most men, and presumably most rapists, are motivated by sex, not by some female ideas about power and control through sex.
In this instance my comment was actually a bit of a dig at the standard feminist position. The story at hand is a genuine example of somebody who raped with the intent of controlling their target's life into the forseeable future. And this rapist is female.
I'm currently engaged in a debate over alcohol related rape laws in my local political sphere. The proposed laws are gender specific. I've been making headway on this by arguing that it's a form of rape that women can commit as easily as men and that a woman may have a greater power and control motivation than a man - that of pregnancy thus gaining control of their target for up to twenty years. It's hard for my opponents to argue against me here because one of them, a feminist and relative of mine, is related to a woman who did just that.
The whole fiction that being drunk makes sex into "rape" is abhorrent. People who choose to drive after drinking are held responsible for their choices to drink. People who choose to fuck after drinking should also be held just as responsible for their actions. Pretending that females are not responsible for their own actions is, perhaps, treating them like children in a sense. It's saying that children and adult females are not responsible for their decisions and actions because they are not capable of making important decisions. Once again feminism treats women like children, and men treat them like adults.
Using sex to manipulate and control men in various ways, to obtain gifts, to obtain money, to obtain support, and withholding sex to punish a husband are behaviors so common that they shouldn't need documentation. Men, on the other hand, do not do that kind of manipulation and control through sex, do not use sex for manipulation and control regularly. Therefore females think of rape in terms of the manipulation and control with which they use sex normally, and claim that rape, for the rapist, is about power and control. Not so.
The power and control position is one that can readily be used against feminists because there are MORE provable motivations for a woman to rape a male.
There are many ways to think outside the box Bob. Remember that feminists can't do math. The power and control idea is right but feminists consistantly apply it to the wrong side of the equation.
Well, good luck on your advocacy for correction of the misandrist rape-hate laws. Yes, females often coerce men into sex, use alcohol, social pressure, etc., to get sex. Until the Victorian 19th century is was generally known that females are oversexed creatures who are unable to resist sex and wantonly seduce men at the least excuse. That view was reversed by the Victorian era and females became generally known as almost sexless. That Victorian view was fictional nonsense. From what I’ve observed many females are actively chasing sex and complain when they don’t get it, despite their continual use of sex as power and control over men.
Blessings
Bob
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