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Title: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 26, 2008, 09:05 AM
Here is an excellent rant made by Paul P on Yahoo answers after a woman was complaining about MRA sites.


by Paul P
Member since: January 24, 2008

I don't normally waste my time trying to explain what the Men's Movement (MM) is all about to people who have already clearly closed their minds to rational debate. Banging your head against a brick wall is not a sensible course of action. But I will break my rule here in the vague hope that there might just be some people reading this who are serious about understanding what is really going on.

Fidelbogen is right on the money. People who refer to themselves as MRAs cover every facet of society, and can be anyone anywhere. The term MRA is just a label that you can stick on or take off, yourself or others, as you wish. You can devote whatever time and energy you want to trying to find out who and where they are; but here is a tip - don't bother. You won't succeed and there is nothing you can do about them even if you did. I have been tracking the MM for years and can tell you that MRAs are just a part of it; like clusters of passengers on a train that is slowly gathering speed. They can hop off or on at will, but the train just keeps on moving forward with or without them. MRAs can give impetus to the movement, and often do; but they are not the whole of the MM or anything like it. I don't know how many people are out there who would call themselves MRAs; except from the evidence I see and the growing internet traffic, I am certain there are more and more every year. But you would be far better engaged on looking at the bigger picture, asking why the MM exists in the first place, and why it is growing.

Men's grievances are real and legitimate. When their life expectancy continues to drag years behind that of women, but our health services refuse to take any action to close the gap - on the contrary, pouring more resources into making it wider; when a man can be robbed of his house, money and children in a divorce court without having committed any crime, and be forced to pay the woman whose lies ruined his life; when the educational performance of boys lags grotesquely behind that of girls, while far too many inside and outside of the teaching profession think that is a cause for celebration, or at least nothing to get fussed about; when a man can have his life wrecked by the false accusation of a woman, and she walks free to do it again and again; and when a man who commits a serious crime is assumed to be hopelessly evil and punished accordingly, while a woman who commits the exact same crime is treated as a victim and offered sympathy, help and support; and all against a background of women continuing to get away with portraying themselves as perpetual victims while casting men in the endless role of perpetrators; all the while such injustices are happening every day in front of our very eyes, it is inevitable that there will be a growing tide of resentment among men. How could any sensible person expect otherwise?

MRAs basically represent the most angry and active fringe of that tide; the agitated passengers on that train, the tip of the tsunami that breaks into a wild spray and gets scattered to the wind - but then rejoins the fray. So focusing on that tip will mislead you - it does not tell you what is really going on underneath, in the heavy swell that is forced forward by the shock wave but which is so difficult to see until it hits the shore.

But you have clues if you care to recognise them. Look at the dramatic drop in the numbers of men who want to marry women. The great majority would never call themselves MRAs; most of them have probably never heard of the term. But they know that marriage is a risk they are not prepared to take, so they are voting with their feet. Look at the numbers of women desperate to get dates and husbands while their biological clocks tick away, and who are disappointed. Look at the response when another tedious feminist pops up on the pages of national newspapers or magazines and delivers a predictable attack on the male sex, blaming us for every ill in the universe - ten years ago she would have received a postbag full of support; but today she gets her head blown off by the barrage of complaints. Even growing numbers of women are getting sick of the constant male-bashing; and it is no longer heresy to support men and recognise that they have a right to enjoy the fruits of their labours without being made to carry a burden of guilt for wrongs real or imagined.

For those of you who think the MM is just a small bunch of stupid losers drifting around the fringes, just consider this. What do you think happens to all those men who lose their children in divorce courts? Or to the boys who fall out of the bottom of our education system and who leave school with no qualifications, no hope and no prospect of a job? Or to those men who are put through the mincer on the false word of a vindictive woman? Their numbers are growing too, day by day. Our government, courts, social services and the rest of the anti-male industry are the most effective recruiting sergeants for the MM. That's why it is growing. It is slow, but inevitable. It can only get bigger, and it is doing just that. There are now international links around the world. The UK, Scandinavia, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, even Israel and India now have a growing MM. Every country where men are disrespected and kicked. Do you think they are all just going to disappear down a convenient hole and never be seen again?

Women would do well to recognise the very real threat to them created by the collapse in respect for men and the growth of an increasingly angry and active MM. It is almost certainly not the rogue MRAs that are the danger; they are just the flag-bearers and drum-beaters. But the real army is the mass of ordinary men who are getting increasingly tired of being treated like dirt by women and the state, and who will increasingly refuse to marry you, refuse to let you share their wealth and their homes, refuse to let you trap them into fatherhood, and refuse to treat you like princesses.

Are you concerned at the increasing numbers of disaffected, sullen young men joining street gangs and watching you from under their hoods when you walk down the street? Are you fearful about the epidemic of violence, drugs and anti-social behaviour in every city in the land? Do you feel safer with each day that passes, or less safe? How do you think you will fare when you get old and weak, and there are massive numbers of such people just a few yards from your front door? Can you see any connection at all between such things and the way our society chooses to treat its young men? Do you think of such people as the nation's most precious resource - or just as a massive problem that you hope somebody will fix for you before it gets too far out of hand? Your attitude might give you a clue as to why these gangs exist. MRAs are not creating them, but you might be.

Finally, a couple of points in answer to Jo:

"...claim men are 50% of the victims in DV - yet no credible sources back this --are they saying men are sitting home with broken ribs and concussions? why aren't we seeing proof?"

If you want proof, look at this:

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.h...

Are the authors credible enough for you? Go check them out. All of them. Are over 200 studies sufficient proof? Or are the authors all charlatans and liars?

"When they can come up with evidence-based issues, I will support them."

So here is the challenge to Jo and anyone else who makes such bold claims.

Do you accept the above evidence that tells you that men are no more violent or abusive than women? And that therefore for every man who ends up in jail for wife-battering there ought to be a woman also in jail for husband-battering? And that there should be just as many DV shelters and just as much support for battered men as for women? Do you accept the evidence that men's life expectancy is far lower than that of women? Do you accept the evidence that boys' educational outcomes are far worse than girls'?

If so, will you be true to your word and support men and boys in their struggle to improve their outcomes and move towards true equality in all these areas? Or are you like so many of the rest of them, just blowing hot air?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 26, 2008, 09:15 AM
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Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: ClarkCable on Jan 26, 2008, 10:56 AM
There is no epidemic of violence. Crime has fallen sharply in the recent years. Other than that I like it, especially the part about how women's interests are being put at risk, all for the sake of enabling women who are liars and extortionists.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Mr. X on Jan 26, 2008, 11:43 AM
Fantastic response. I would just add to that it would have been useful to point out that women present men with a situation in which men have nothing to lose by getting mad and resisting. Women do nothing to bring men back. So for MRAs what's the loss? Where's the risk? What do these men have to lose when women activily make hateful comments pushing them away.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: BRIAN on Jan 26, 2008, 05:47 PM
That was a good response.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 26, 2008, 05:56 PM
No matter how many studies reveal that women commit domestic violence, on its own this will never be enough to convince the woman that prompted this thread.  That's because hard-core feminists try to sell the idea that when women do violence, they're defending themselves from violence.  When they initiate violence, they're not necessarily defending themselves from physical violence, but they are reacting to a "climate of fear" meant to keep them in subjugation -- or so the feminist thinking goes.  And so, according to die-hard feminists, there is always this justification for female violence -- that because they live in fear, the greater threat is the smothering patriarchal atmosphere that keeps them in check.

How can you prove that a woman really isn't in fear?  And worse, what if a woman is so deluded, that she does the violence and only later convinces herself that it was because she was afraid?  And why should an emotional state matter anyway?  Leave if you live in fear for your life.

All of these assumptions about female fear will be addressed at the upcoming domestic violence conference by leading experts and researchers in the field, (http://www.nfvlrc.org/images/icons/pdf_small.gif) "From Ideology to Inclusion:  Evidence-Based Policy and Intervention in Domestic Violence (http://www.nfvlrc.org/pdf/2008-02-15-Conference.pdf)."

After this conference, we will no longer need to point people to the bibliography of 200+ DV studies compiled by CSU Long Beach professor Martin Fiebert (http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm).  We will have, for the first time ever, a solid grouping of domestic violence experts speaking out as one, telling the truth about domestic violence from an evidence-based perspective -- interpreting the growing body of research on female-on-male violence in a professional, experienced, and academic context.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 26, 2008, 06:05 PM
JD is that not your site they claim that is hateful towards women?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 26, 2008, 06:31 PM
It was a disappointing complaint on yahoo.  My blog didn't make her list.   Maybe next time.

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 26, 2008, 06:50 PM

JD is that not your site they claim that is hateful towards women?


She didn't actually say that my site (http://www.dontmakehermad.com/) is hateful towards women, but I did get lumped in with a bunch of other sites, and she asked the question how do you separate the radicals from the non-radicals?  Whatever...  Doesn't bother me.  I know what my site is about, and if she wants to misinterpret it, how can I stop her?  My site is about using surveillance to let a man prove that he didn't commit a crime.  Who could be against that?  If women have the power to falsely accuse men with no evidence and with impunity, then that is the issue -- not that women are predisposed to falsely accuse.  Again, it all comes back to the fear issue (he made me afraid, therefore he must pay).  That puts immense power in the woman's hands, whether she's predisposed to abuse it or not.  When she does abuse it, no one calls it abuse (at least, not with a unified, credible, and evidence-backed voice -- until this conference next month).  And yet it is every bit as violent as a wife beater doing violence to an innocent victim.  You think handcuffs and incarceration have nothing to do with the use (and abuse) of physical force and control?  Of course they do.  That is why I advocate videotaping, or audiotaping, everything until a man can make a smooth exit from an abusive relationship.  Even then, living apart, he still may need it.  That fact is lost on this lady.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 26, 2008, 06:53 PM

It was a disappointing complaint on yahoo.  My blog didn't make her list.   Maybe next time.

Blessings

Bob



Bob, you're one of the radicals that deserves to be pointed out.  It's guys like you that give ammunition to the feminists, enabling them to pass draconian laws that paint men as abusive and threatening -- and making it exceedingly difficult for those of us who are trying to reverse such laws.  Why don't you just go away, and re-think your life?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 26, 2008, 07:48 PM
I just tried to read the last blog entry on Bob's site but could not stomach it. Yes, John, that is giving feminists all the ammo they need to discredit and paint us all with one brush.

No thanks.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: strangedisk on Jan 26, 2008, 08:01 PM


It was a disappointing complaint on yahoo.  My blog didn't make her list.   Maybe next time.

Blessings

Bob



Bob, you're one of the radicals that deserves to be pointed out.  It's guys like you that give ammunition to the feminists, enabling them to pass draconian laws that paint men as abusive and threatening -- and making it exceedingly difficult for those of us who are trying to reverse such laws.  Why don't you just go away, and re-think your life?


Haven't read Bob's blog yet, but I disagree in any case.  Even if Bob advocated a society for the cutting up of all women and creating a new, truly patriarchal society keeping only enough women around for breeding purposes, he wouldn't be giving any ammunition to feminists to facilitate the creating of bad laws -- for those who didn't catch it, I am alluding to the "SCUM manifesto" by Valerie Solonas.  Reading the reviews for the book on Amazon, which proposed exactly what I said (but in reverse), there are still people who see it as a source of truth, and when it was published, it certainly didn't facilitate the creation of bad laws to oppress women.  In fact, it was seen in even better light at that time. 

The problem we are dealing with is far deeper than can be created, worsened, or destroyed by any number of radicals.  The radicals aren't the problem.  The problem is that society considers the existence of MRA radicals as a good excuse to further demonize men, but does not consider the existence of feminist radicals to mean anything at all concerning women.  In other words, when feminist radicals aren't being glorified by the fringe, their excesses are either ignored or, at worst, pinned on themselves.  Whereas the "blame" for MRA radicals, as in so many things, is pinned entirely on men.

That is the problem.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 26, 2008, 09:55 PM
John Dias post on the Yahoo board:

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I don't think that my site deserves to be designated as radical, or grouped in with truly women-hating sites (such as MenAreBetterThanWomen.com).


John, with all due respect all you are doing is taking the side of the topic starter (waswisgirl1) who is looking for people to agree that these sites are "woman hating".

Once you do that, you may as well just pat her on the back and join her because you have lost the debate.

Make no mistake, she started that thread to discredit the MRM and you are helping her do it.

Just my opinion, respectfully. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: FP on Jan 26, 2008, 11:26 PM


It was a disappointing complaint on yahoo.  My blog didn't make her list.   Maybe next time.

Blessings

Bob



Bob, you're one of the radicals that deserves to be pointed out.  It's guys like you that give ammunition to the feminists, enabling them to pass draconian laws that paint men as abusive and threatening -- and making it exceedingly difficult for those of us who are trying to reverse such laws.  Why don't you just go away, and re-think your life?


Whatever. IMHO we're well past the point of discussion being possible. One "bad" word, one utterance of disagreement with the party line of the last 30 years, one wrong view towards women's rights and you're a radical nutter patriarchal sexist pig (or a brainwashed tart). Look at Hugo. He couldn't even honestly debate here with Typhon a year or two ago. Diplomacy won't work if they other side won't even meet with you with their fingers firmly in ear holes. Doesn't mean one goes truly "radical" but it does require a harsh tone, and an unrelenting attitude. Show mercy once you've made it on the road to actual changes.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 26, 2008, 11:41 PM
FP, I do not define "diplomacy" as the decision to distance myself from people who promote and minimize cop-killing and rape.  I call it remaining true to my values.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 26, 2008, 11:52 PM

John Dias post on the Yahoo board:

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I don't think that my site deserves to be designated as radical, or grouped in with truly women-hating sites (such as MenAreBetterThanWomen.com).


John, with all due respect all you are doing is taking the side of the topic starter (waswisgirl1) who is looking for people to agree that these sites are "woman hating".

Once you do that, you may as well just pat her on the back and join her because you have lost the debate.

Make no mistake, she started that thread to discredit the MRM and you are helping her do it.

Just my opinion, respectfully. 


I think that if you believe in something, you should speak out.  Isn't that what people in the so-called MRM believe in?  That they tend to agree on some common precepts does not mean that everyone should be considered homogenous.  If only the MRM were to be in perfect sync with my views!  I am not going to subsume my identity -- nor my advocacy opposing gender-based bigotry -- in order to fall into line with a movement that has not changed one law, nor blocked one law, nor raised hardly a dime.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 26, 2008, 11:56 PM


John Dias post on the Yahoo board:

Quote
I don't think that my site deserves to be designated as radical, or grouped in with truly women-hating sites (such as MenAreBetterThanWomen.com).


John, with all due respect all you are doing is taking the side of the topic starter (waswisgirl1) who is looking for people to agree that these sites are "woman hating".

Once you do that, you may as well just pat her on the back and join her because you have lost the debate.

Make no mistake, she started that thread to discredit the MRM and you are helping her do it.

Just my opinion, respectfully. 


I think that if you believe in something, you should speak out.  Isn't that what people in the so-called MRM believe in?  That they tend to agree on some common precepts does not mean that everyone should be considered homogenous.  If only the MRM were to be in perfect sync with my views!  I am not going to subsume my identity -- nor my advocacy opposing gender-based bigotry -- in order to fall into line with a movement that has not changed one law, nor blocked one law, nor raised hardly a dime.


John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 27, 2008, 03:15 AM

John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Mr. Bad on Jan 27, 2008, 06:35 AM


John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: gwallan on Jan 27, 2008, 07:00 AM



John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 


Oh, gawd. I was on the inside until I was purged.

My advice to potential infiltrators - NEVER, but never, admit to having been abused by a woman.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:38 AM


It was a disappointing complaint on yahoo.  My blog didn't make her list.   Maybe next time.

Blessings

Bob



Bob, you're one of the radicals that deserves to be pointed out.  It's guys like you that give ammunition to the feminists, enabling them to pass draconian laws that paint men as abusive and threatening -- and making it exceedingly difficult for those of us who are trying to reverse such laws.  Why don't you just go away, and re-think your life?



LOL.  The pseudo "men's movemnt" is all populated by manginas who woud rather join NOW than beat them.

When real men stop kowtowing to feminism, then the Men's Movement can get traction.   Another 5 decades of a few men whining won't get us anywhere.   We need MEN, not manginas. 

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 27, 2008, 08:42 AM
Bob-i have heard many stories of J.D  and his actions
--i have never heard of Bob

maybe this is not the place for you...........
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:43 AM

I just tried to read the last blog entry on Bob's site but could not stomach it. Yes, John, that is giving feminists all the ammo they need to discredit and paint us all with one brush.

No thanks.



GOOD!

The World According to Bob is not written nor intended to please female readers nor PC manginas.   If a female is vexed, then Bob is doing his job.   Bob writes for MEN.   Deal with it, toots.

Blessings

Bob









Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:45 AM


John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.



I can see why you don't like my blog, The World According to Bob.    It's not intended to please members of NOW.    Bob is FOR MEN, not for women.   

Blessings

Bob



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:49 AM

Bob-i have heard many stories of J.D  and his actions
--i have never heard of Bob


Your ignorance is your own problem.   Bob has been a member here for quite a while, but has been busy elsewhere. 


Quote
maybe this is not the place for you...........



Maybe not.   Bob tends to irritate the milquetoasts and feminist sympathizers. 


Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 08:55 AM



John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 


What have tactics like that gotten us? Tactics like that depend on feminists beginning to care about men. Haven't the last 40 years shown us that goal is next to impossible. It is not in the nature of the beast.

We are begining to see alot of complaints about the marriage strike, that is where we are winning this, not in the halls of NOW. That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.

The post on Yahoo that opened this thread is how to go about it. Explain why men are angry and make no apologies.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 09:11 AM
Bob - Tell us what you are doing to help the cause. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:13 AM




John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 


What have tactics like that gotten us? Tactics like that depend on feminists beginning to care about men. Haven't the last 40 years shown us that goal is next to impossible. It is not in the nature of the beast.

We are begining to see alot of complaints about the marriage strike, that is where we are winning this, not in the halls of NOW. That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.

The post on Yahoo that opened this thread is how to go about it. Explain why men are angry and make no apologies.


Right on bro!

Another discussion board I frequent is managed by a man who's avitar carries the slogan "Kick them in the cunt."   Men have been trying to get the feminists to sympathize with us for the past century, and all it does is allow them to stomp on us more and more.    The only way men will ever restore our respect and position in society is to get angry, get mad, get aggressive, and to act MANLY.

Many decades of milquetoast whining has gotten men exactly nowhere.   It will get us nowhere now.  It is in fact supporting the feminist takeover of our society.   Only by opposing feminism can men ever hope to oppose feminism.   "Me too" feminism will get us nowhere.  

Time to get angry.  Take no prisoners. 

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 09:14 AM
actually guys like him could help more rational MRA's/mens groups etc by helping create the "martin/malcolm" alternatives..............................you'd rather deal with martin than malcolm right?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Pat Kibbon on Jan 27, 2008, 09:19 AM
Quote from: Garak
That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.


Isn't it more like American spies infiltrating Iraqi units?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:21 AM

Bob - Tell us what you are doing to help the cause. 


For a start, Bob pisses off a lot of feminists and raised the awareness of men.  

Bob also provides a lot of men with thinking outside of the feminist box that now controlls schools and universities.  

What have you done to help the cause lately?  

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 09:23 AM





John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 


What have tactics like that gotten us? Tactics like that depend on feminists beginning to care about men. Haven't the last 40 years shown us that goal is next to impossible. It is not in the nature of the beast.

We are begining to see alot of complaints about the marriage strike, that is where we are winning this, not in the halls of NOW. That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.

The post on Yahoo that opened this thread is how to go about it. Explain why men are angry and make no apologies.


Right on bro!

Another discussion board I frequent is managed by a man who's avitar carries the slogan "Kick them in the cunt."   Men have been trying to get the feminists to sympathize with us for the past century, and all it does is allow them to stomp on us more and more.    The only way men will ever restore our respect and position in society is to get angry, get mad, get aggressive, and to act MANLY.

Many decades of milquetoast whining has gotten men exactly nowhere.   It will get us nowhere not.  It is in fact supporting the feminist takeover of our society.   Only by opposing feminism can men ever hope to oppose feminism.   "Me too" feminism will get us nowhere.  

Time to get angry.  Take no prisoners. 

Blessings

Bob





Hi Bob, I will say that you go over the top but you are right, we cannot continue to "play nice".

We don't have to agree with them, but calling them cunts is a quick mind closer for all who are listening...politicians for example.

Be angry but don't let it look like revenge. The key to winning this thing is in winning the hearts and minds of the fence sitters.

Like I said, the Yahoo post that started this thread is a perfect example. Be firm, explain your position with no personal attacks and make no apologies.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 09:24 AM

Quote from: Garak
That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.


Isn't it more like American spies infiltrating Iraqi units?


Perhaps but spies have the American military to act on learned information. Does the MRM have anyone to act on learned information? No, the politicians are on the feminist side.

I don't know what Johns goal is with becoming a member of NOW but since acting as spy seems pointless, the only thing I can think of is to try and change the feminists themselves. Alot of work with so little payoff. If the members of NOW would actually think equal minded, NOW would be history. They won't do that.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 09:32 AM


Bob - Tell us what you are doing to help the cause. 


For a start, Bob pisses off a lot of feminists and raised the awareness of men. 

Bob also provides a lot of men with thinking outside of the feminist box that now controlls schools and universities. 


Blessings

Bob



So pissing people off is your forte?   :greener:


Quote
What have you done to help the cause lately? 


You are writing on it.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 09:35 AM
Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways(and perceptive in others) but people like him can put  it in perspective for the opponents............like I said, would you rather deal with Dr King or bobby seale and the panthers????
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 27, 2008, 09:39 AM
Sorry, I can only see the writings of "Bob", and the sudden insistence
to float up from the bottom, as someone providing a laser target on ANY legitimate threat
to "womyn's rights".
Dr. Evil- server ID code archive alert!

Expect bob's sock-partner Neil any day now!
(old Andrew Dice Clay joke)

But that's just me, keepin' it real!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:40 AM



Bob - Tell us what you are doing to help the cause. 


For a start, Bob pisses off a lot of feminists and raised the awareness of men. 

Bob also provides a lot of men with thinking outside of the feminist box that now controlls schools and universities. 


Blessings

Bob



So pissing people off is your forte?   :greener:


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What have you done to help the cause lately? 


You are writing on it.


Uh, no.  Raising the awareness of men and providing ways of thinking outside the feminist box are Bob's forte. 

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:41 AM

Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Pat Kibbon on Jan 27, 2008, 09:44 AM
Quote from: Garak
Does the MRM have anyone to act on learned information?
I would learn all I can about feminism.

Infiltrators can undermine.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 09:46 AM


Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 09:47 AM

Quote from: Garak
Does the MRM have anyone to act on learned information?
I would learn all I can about feminism.

Infiltrators can undermine.


I read feminist sites all the time but I won't show them my support (inflate their numbers) by joining NOW.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 09:51 AM



Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state


I don't have a problem with him calling all women cunts, I just won't do it because I know it is a discussion stopper and a mind closer.

Let's face it though Tony, it is hard to weed out the good from the bad and that is a tool feminists have in their favor. It is how men continue to get trapped. Most men would not step into the Lions Den if they KNEW there was a Lion in there. Too often the Lion comes out later after the doors are locked.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 27, 2008, 09:52 AM


Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.

Wow!
Is that the best you got "bob"?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:55 AM



Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state


Hi Tony,
I guess it's a matter of terminology.   I suppose there are good ladies, but most these days are feminists even if they start the conversations with "I'm not a femininist."   I have yet to meet one who doesn't believe in all the accomplishments of first wave feminism, and tacitly support most of second wave feminism.   Not even those females who rant against "feminmism" because they oppose abortion.

I'm glad we agree on active resistance.    I never agree with anyone on every issue. 

Blessings

Bob






Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Pat Kibbon on Jan 27, 2008, 09:57 AM
Quote from: Garak
I won't show them my support by joining NOW.


Anyone joing NOW as an infiltrator should consider: will it achieve a gain for the advancement of men's interests that is sufficient to offset the damage done by the dues that are paid to join?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 09:59 AM

Quote from: Garak
I won't show them my support by joining NOW.


Anyone joing NOW as an infiltrator should consider: will it achieve a gain for the advancement of men's interests that is sufficient to offset the damage done by the dues that are paid to join?


Right, John thinks it is worthwhile, I think it is not. Nothing more than a minor disagreement.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 10:00 AM




Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state


I don't have a problem with him calling all women cunts, I just won't do it because I know it is a discussion stopper and a mind closer.

Let's face it though Tony, it is hard to weed out the good from the bad and that is a tool feminists have in their favor. It is how men continue to get trapped. Most men would not step into the Lions Den if they KNEW there was a Lion in there. Too often the Lion comes out later after the doors are locked.


Good thought Garak,

I've come to the belief that females don't actually do discussion.  They do emotions.   Fifty years of reasoning with them has done no good at all.  They continue to use all those same old propaganda emotional appeals even though they all have been thoroughly disproved on a rational basis decades ago.  They aren't about truth, they are about emotional appeals.   Reasoning with them doesn't work.  Stopping discussion does no harm, they aren't listening anyway.  Getting their attention is difficult. Getting past their normal assumption that women rule is even harder.   Using harsh language lets them know that all their hate propagand isn't going to work.   It vexes them and they go away.  Good riddance.

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 10:04 AM





Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state


I don't have a problem with him calling all women cunts, I just won't do it because I know it is a discussion stopper and a mind closer.

Let's face it though Tony, it is hard to weed out the good from the bad and that is a tool feminists have in their favor. It is how men continue to get trapped. Most men would not step into the Lions Den if they KNEW there was a Lion in there. Too often the Lion comes out later after the doors are locked.


Good thought Garak,

I've come to the belief that females don't actually do discussion.  They do emotions.   Fifty years of reasoning with them has done no good at all.  They continue to use all those same old propaganda emotional appeals even though they all have been thoroughly disproved on a rational basis decades ago.  They aren't about truth, they are about emotional appeals.   Reasoning with them doesn't work.  Stopping discussion does no harm, they aren't listening anyway.  Getting their attention is difficult. Getting past their normal assumption that women rule is even harder.   Using harsh language lets them know that all their hate propagand isn't going to work.   It vexes them and they go away.  Good riddance.

Blessings

Bob





Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 10:07 AM

Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.


Well you are probably right about the fence sitters Garak.   But Bob favors manly action by men and doesn't concern himself with trying to convince the females who might be sympathetic.   I don't see where that has worked for the past century.   I don't see where it will help now.   You may be right, however.  We just don't agree on it.

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 10:10 AM


Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.


Well you are probably right about the fence sitters Garak.   But Bob favors manly action by men and doesn't concern himself with trying to convince the females who might be sympathetic.   I don't see where that has worked for the past century.   I don't see where it will help now.   You may be right, however.  We just don't agree on it.

Blessings

Bob





Many of the fence sitters are men.

Men who got screwed in a divorce but haven't had an outlet to talk about it. At one time, I would dare say that all of us were feminist-minded.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 10:14 AM
and the thing is, feminism is just one symptom, not the disease
we over the past 80-120 years have been moving in a collectivist/socialist direction  where people now are not learning to see themselves as idividuals but as members of an identity group and want a big brother/nanny state to protect them from "oppressors"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: BRIAN on Jan 27, 2008, 10:21 AM
I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 10:23 AM

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


The RADFEMS would say it anyway and as usual they would need no proof.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 10:25 AM

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


good post....................but I cant resist.....its PRETENTIOUS LOLOLOLOLOL(I finally get to correct someones spelling LOLOLOL nanana na na, you cant catch me
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 27, 2008, 10:28 AM

Anyone joining NOW as an infiltrator should consider: will it achieve a gain for the advancement of men's interests that is sufficient to offset the damage done by the dues that are paid to join?
Good Question!
Look up, and Ask-
Warren Farrell (not really fair to say his interest was infiltration)
Gloria Steinem (really fair to say her interest was infiltration)

There's no harm in the M. Moore theory of buy ONE share of stock, so
that time consuming winge time cannot be denied at the polite and civil
stockholder open forum.
'Course, that can be ultimately unhealthy in, say, organized labor union meetings.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 27, 2008, 10:35 AM

(I finally get to correct someones spelling LOLOLOL nanana na na, you cant catch me
;-)
Keep your eye on my posts, especially where a letter "u" should be, or auto-repeat of vooweels. *sigh* I suspect your chance will come again!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 10:38 AM
Bob - You are welcome here as long as you abide by the rules.  It seems you have already had a look at them.  Good.  Note the one about generalizations.  You are close to breaking that one already.  Please use caution.

Do you continue to have concern that Tony described you as "whacked out?"  Those of us who know Tony understand his manner of descriptions as relating more to your way of thinking than your way of being.  IOW's he was describing your ideology not your person.  People's ideology is fair game for criticism their person is not.

I am in great agreement that we have passed the point in our culture where being nice is going to make great inroads.  I have spent a number of years trying to get the attention of those on Capital Hill and being nice has done absolutely nothing.  We are in desperate need of ways to get our message out to the public.  As Tony has pointed out though, each movement has relied on a multi-faceted approach which included a wide range from radicals to sweet talkers.  I think we need many more of both.  We are losing badly.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 10:39 AM
LOL I was jackin with BRIAN because of my own notorious spelling defeciencies
I went to Publik Skule
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 10:44 AM

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us.



Radfems don't need a reason.  Radfems are the enemies of men because they are radfems, not because of Bob or any other man.   They hate men who will stand against them and speak of their evil.   If they are angry at Bob or any other man its because men are at last calling them on their feminist hate of all men. 

Radfems believe that all men hate them, because they hate all men.   Nothing any man can do will cause radfems to hate us, they do that because of who they are.


Quote
I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


Being the father of a daughter is not a reason to support feminism in my opinion. One of the ways that feminism has won over men is to use the fiction of "my daughter" to recruit the support of fathers. While I can understand a man's feelings for his own daughter, promoting feminism for the benefit of daughters actually hurts daughters more than it helps.

In addition, you sound like you have misread Bob's blog and opinions. Bob supports the freedom of young women to have good families and a good life, and not be forced by feminists into the feminist dominated hate world of their creation. Freedom for young women does not force them into having bastard babies because they can't get a good marriage -- its illegal under feminism. Feminism hurts women, hurts families, and hurts daughters in a thousand ways. Feminism destroys their lives and families. Feminism turns them into angry hate filled feminists who can not be good wives and mothers. Feminists have always opposed families and marriage. That has not been good for women, daughters, or anyone else.

A fathers who really cares about his daughters does not support forcing her into the false feminist life plan and allows her the freedom to be a wife and mother.


Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 10:50 AM
I have read on another site (mensactivism.org I think) about our biggest enemies being the father of daughters.

I am a father of a daughter but I can see the point clearly. Supporting feminism doesn't help women and so it won't help our daughters.

The idea that our daughters should be able to do anything they want is funny because we don't say the same to our sons. Our sons are expected to be breadwinners and the concept of a stay at home dad is still not acceptable. This is showing favortism to daughters. If men are stuck to our traditional roles, so then should be women.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 10:52 AM

I am in great agreement that we have passed the point in our culture where being nice is going to make great inroads.  I have spent a number of years trying to get the attention of those on Capital Hill and being nice has done absolutely nothing.  We are in desperate need of ways to get our message out to the public.  As Tony has pointed out though, each movement has relied on a multi-faceted approach which included a wide range from radicals to sweet talkers.  I think we need many more of both.  We are losing badly.



When I lived in Santa Fe, NM, I was friends with an environmental radical.   His group did radical environmental actions and advocacy.  Their goal was to get the attention of the media and politicians in ways that could not be ignored.  Their political intention was to make the Sierra Club look "mainstream" because the edge of environmentalism had shifted a long way past their advocacy.   The environmental activists were successful in a whole lot of ways.  I learned that getting the attention of media and politicians sometimes takes something more than being nice.  We could learn a lot from the tactics of the environmental movement.

Blessings

Bob



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 10:54 AM


I am in great agreement that we have passed the point in our culture where being nice is going to make great inroads.  I have spent a number of years trying to get the attention of those on Capital Hill and being nice has done absolutely nothing.  We are in desperate need of ways to get our message out to the public.  As Tony has pointed out though, each movement has relied on a multi-faceted approach which included a wide range from radicals to sweet talkers.  I think we need many more of both.  We are losing badly.



When I lived in Santa Fe, NM, I was friends with an environmental radical.   His group did radical environmental actions and advocacy.  Their goal was to get the attention of the media and politicians in ways that could not be ignored.  Their political intention was to make the Sierra Club look "mainstream" because the edge of environmentalism had shifted a long way past their advocacy.   The environmental activists were successful in a whole lot of ways.  I learned that getting the attention of media and politicians sometimes takes something more than being nice.  We could learn a lot from the tactics of the environmental movement.

Blessings

Bob






We could learn alot from the feminist movement too. They are perhaps the most successful movement in American history and they did it by generalizing (all women are victims, all men are perps).
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: BRIAN on Jan 27, 2008, 11:14 AM
I can't see where supporting my little girls God given right to self determination is advancing Feminism. I have never told my Son anything how he can do anything or be anything he wants. That is the point of our movement to bring things into balance and support the right of everyone and ensure equal protection and status under the law. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 27, 2008, 11:19 AM

I don't know what Johns goal is with becoming a member of NOW...


Not that sharpest tool in the shed, are you?  Do you really think I joined NOW?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 11:22 AM

I can't see where supporting my little girls God given right to self determination is advancing Feminism. I have never told my Son anything how he can do anything or be anything he wants. That is the point of our movement to bring things into balance and support the right of everyone and ensure equal protection and status under the law. 


I wish I could explain it better. I can't put it into words..sorry.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 11:23 AM
I'm a memeber of NOW(national organization for Whiskey)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 27, 2008, 11:23 AM


I don't know what Johns goal is with becoming a member of NOW...


Not that sharpest tool in the shed, are you?  Do you really think I joined NOW?


It never occured to me that you were joking John. Insulting my intelligence though won't help. I guess I should not take you at your word in the future.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: . on Jan 27, 2008, 11:43 AM
Garak, all I am saying is that we need a more realistic appraisal of the social value of the MRM.  This idea that we have one over on the culture by being misogynistic and advocating/minimizing rape, as Bob does -- that we'll only "let up" when they start to listen to us -- is my definition of self-delusion.  If you're going to be radical at all, infiltrate the feminists and give them a bad name.

I know of specific incidents where we had a bill about to be introduced in the legislature, a bill that would lessen the severity of an existing law that unfairly hurts men.  Well, some angry guy from a men's group called up the sponsor and went off on the staffer with an earful of angry bile.  As a result of this kookiness, they didn't introduce the bill, and withdrew their support from several other measures.  One time there was a feminist legislator who was about to get some sort of award or commendation.  Some guys from a local men's group showed up and disrupted the ceremony, making her look like a fool.  High-fives all around, right?  We really socked it to her, right?  Well, after that, every single bill that had the chance of reforming child support policy, or preventing custodial parents from moving out of state with the kid, or reforming arrest policies -- they all were killed, just because some people made it personal.

You talk in terms of the MRM winning over the culture with solid arguments and mental toughness, I suppose culminating in a change of policy.  Has that ever happened?  No.  Were it to happen, would it honestly change policy?  Not if the above experience is any indicator.

Lastly, when my site gets lumped in with "MenAreBetterThanWomen.com" I'm going to speak up.  Damn the movement if I can't defend the integrity of my own site.  I went to jail on a false allegation, and I've recovered from that experience vastly by shrewdness and sheer attrition.  My site is trying to show the injustice that men experience, but more importantly, it tries to give men the tactical tools they need to exit a bad situation (regardless of whether it changes minds or persuades others).  The stakes are, on the one hand, married men being incarcerated and financially raped, versus (on the other hand) men exiting abusive relationships on their own terms. 

What, am I supposed to censor myself so that this "MRM" can grow?  I personally think that I am singularly more effective than vast swaths of the MRM.  So I sure as hell am not going to temper my message so that this MRM "blogger movement" can grow stronger.  I'll do what I know to be effective and right, and the MRM can either reject or follow that example.

Like I've said before, we can't blog our way out of this.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 27, 2008, 12:16 PM
well ,in some ways -i have to agree with Bob-enough is enough! and hoping that the fems will feel sorry for us is not going to work.
I am sick of people telling me that "u can catch more flies with sugar",this just does not work.I was very radical and forthcoming when i started becomiing an m.r.a. and this did get me somewhere-kissing ass just got me ignored.Naming,blaming and shaming works wonders though.As far as infiltrating women's groups-i just cannot stomach that!

It is time to gain national attention-for our cause but the word "cunt"-i guarantee will get no one anywhere.

Being bold and straightforward is the only way to go.

Bob makes me wanna go shut down a highway---need more guys like him when it comes to things like this.

Oh btw Bob i am an m.r.a. and not a mangina-so stop with your petty insults
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 27, 2008, 12:26 PM


Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways


2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


It's my observation that those coming in playing rules lawyer to hide behind the skirts of the rules may be PLONKED!

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 12:29 PM
sid vicious speaks :tongue2:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 27, 2008, 02:01 PM
lotsa thumbs down by someone who won't accept the fact that men are standing their ground
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: no2fembots on Jan 27, 2008, 04:15 PM

... BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


no2fembots used to refer to himself in the third person, but his intention was neither to offend or annoy.  True, he understood that this form of communication can be seen as trying to appear unique or somehow standing apart from the herd; yet, he maintained that the very fact of hiding our true identities behind cute avatars is substantively no different.

no2fembots renounced the use of the third person: BOB has picked up the baton.

The Vagina Monologues extolls the virtue of the word 'cunt' and further suggests all womyn 'take back' this little gem as a sign of empowerment and yougogirlstickittotheman piss and vinegar.  no2fembots says, "You go BOB!  Lets OWN this little nugget and use it as a descriptor of the fembot - and mangina!"

As for BOB and his "style": I believe that the time for nice is over.  We've lost, IMHO andyway...what's left to lose?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 04:52 PM


... BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


no2fembots used to refer to himself in the third person, but his intention was neither to offend or annoy.  True, he understood that this form of communication can be seen as trying to appear unique or somehow standing apart from the herd; yet, he maintained that the very fact of hiding our true identities behind cute avatars is substantively no different.

no2fembots renounced the use of the third person: BOB has picked up the baton.

The Vagina Monologues extolls the virtue of the word 'cunt' and further suggests all womyn 'take back' this little gem as a sign of empowerment and yougogirlstickittotheman piss and vinegar.  no2fembots says, "You go BOB!  Lets OWN this little nugget and use it as a descriptor of the fembot - and mangina!"

As for BOB and his "style": I believe that the time for nice is over.  We've lost, IMHO andyway...what's left to lose?



Right On no2fembots!    It's time to reclaim the language.   Feminazi demand that we don't use "cunt" or "bastard" and speak their PC language.     They also want us called "males" like some dumb animals instead of "men."    Bob doesn't accept their PC demands for feminazi language. 

We are men

They are cunts. 

Their kids are bastards.

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 04:54 PM



... BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


no2fembots used to refer to himself in the third person, but his intention was neither to offend or annoy.  True, he understood that this form of communication can be seen as trying to appear unique or somehow standing apart from the herd; yet, he maintained that the very fact of hiding our true identities behind cute avatars is substantively no different.

no2fembots renounced the use of the third person: BOB has picked up the baton.

The Vagina Monologues extolls the virtue of the word 'cunt' and further suggests all womyn 'take back' this little gem as a sign of empowerment and yougogirlstickittotheman piss and vinegar.  no2fembots says, "You go BOB!  Lets OWN this little nugget and use it as a descriptor of the fembot - and mangina!"

As for BOB and his "style": I believe that the time for nice is over.  We've lost, IMHO andyway...what's left to lose?



Right On no2fembots!    It's time to reclaim the language.   Feminazi demand that we don't use "cunt" or "bastard" and speak their PC language.     They also want us called "males" like some dumb animals instead of "men."    Bob doesn't accept their PC demands for feminazi language. 

We are men

They are cunts. 

Their kids are bastards.

Blessings

Bob





That's a warning for you Bob.  Three and you are out.  Negative generalizations are against the rules here.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 04:56 PM
we can generalize about evil doctors though cant we
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 05:17 PM

we can generalize about evil doctors though cant we


:greener:  Always.

Just no global crap like men are bastards or women are whores.  etc
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 05:20 PM
fair enough
but I wonder..................if a bastard man and a whore woman have a hermaphrodite kid............what would it be???
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 06:17 PM


That's a warning for you Bob.  Three and you are out.  Negative generalizations are against the rules here.


So dr e, I wasn't aware that PC-speak is required here.   Which non-PC word is prohibited?   

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 06:33 PM
dont buck Dr E bob...................the last dude that did is now hillary clinton's houseboy!!!!!!!!!!! :toothy9:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 27, 2008, 06:36 PM



That's a warning for you Bob.  Three and you are out.  Negative generalizations are against the rules here.


So dr e, I wasn't aware that PC-speak is required here.   Which non-PC word is prohibited?   

Blessings

Bob


If you don't like the rules here Bob you might want to find some other place to post.  Follow the rules or you are out. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 27, 2008, 07:06 PM
Evil,

Have you taken the time to read Bob's blog? If so would there be rules against linking to sites that encourage acts against women and police?

Bob, I know you don't think rape is rape unless a virgin is spoiled, you're a proponent for adolescent females marrying adult males, and you believe that women who have jobs instead of being a housewife are all whores.

I'd like to ask where does that leave you... are you someone who needs attention that badly they have to make everyone disagree with them so they will give you that attention? Or are you someone who thinks any attention is good, even if it's bad.

Yes some guys here have given you the benefit of the doubt, I'd think even TMOTS would curdle after reading your Jon Benet thread. So eventually you'll be banned.

It's interesting that we've had a thread this week disclosing who posts on feminists websites, I'd guess you are a guy but if it was shown you were a feminist it wouldn't be a surprise to me.








Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 07:10 PM
actually I dont disagree with  his position on armed resistance to the  american gestapo
have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge Devia
(http://bkmarcus.com/blog/images/tshirts/square-large-atf.gif)

RIP Sammy Weaver
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 07:26 PM

actually I dont disagree with  his position on armed resistance to the  american gestapo
have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge Devia
(http://bkmarcus.com/blog/images/tshirts/square-large-atf.gif)

RIP Sammy Weaver


Yep, the BATF are happy to shoot your wife, your son, and even your dog to enforce their criminal violation of the 2nd Amendment.

"Is your church BATF approved"  -->  title of a disk someone sent me after the Waco massacre. 

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 07:37 PM

dont buck Dr E bob...................the last dude that did is now hillary clinton's houseboy!!!!!!!!!!! :toothy9:


Just asking about the rules, Tony.   Part of what I'm doing here is finding out why Dr E is being criticized on so many other MRA web sites lately.  Bob has been a "member" here for a couple of years but has been busy elsewhere.  But recently there has been quite a bit of discussion about Dr E, and I'm wondering what it's about.   

I wonder which non-PC word or thought that I posted resulted in Dr. E's "warning."   Maybe he can clarify for us.   

Bob generally doesn't follow the PC feminist language rules.  For example, the Anglo-Saxon language was banned by King William after he conquered England at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.  He's been dead for 900 years, but his prohibition on our ancestral Anglo-Saxon language is still strongly enforced.  We're supposed to use the Latin/French "vagina" of the Norman conquerors instead of "cunt" of my Anglo-Saxon natives.   Bob's wife, who is a Professor of Old English and Medieval Studies, advocates reclaiming of our native language using words like "cunt" and "cock" and so forth.  Now Bob has been "warned" by Dr. E, for some infraction or perhaps for a contrary opinion.  Bob certainly doesn't want to get into a fight with Dr. E, but banishing Bob would be his loss.  Bob has a very dedicated group of men's rights advocates who are regular supporters.  Angry active MEN who refuse to kowtow to PC speech and milquetoast  politeness doesn't get it on The World According To Bob.

Instead of fighting among the men, lets make war on the feminists and start a counter attack. 

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:05 PM

Evil,

Have you taken the time to read Bob's blog? If so would there be rules against linking to sites that encourage acts against women and police?

Bob, I know you don't think rape is rape unless a virgin is spoiled, you're a proponent for adolescent females marrying adult males, and you believe that women who have jobs instead of being a housewife are all whores.

I'd like to ask where does that leave you... are you someone who needs attention that badly they have to make everyone disagree with them so they will give you that attention? Or are you someone who thinks any attention is good, even if it's bad.

Yes some guys here have given you the benefit of the doubt, I'd think even TMOTS would curdle after reading your Jon Benet thread. So eventually you'll be banned.

It's interesting that we've had a thread this week disclosing who posts on feminists websites, I'd guess you are a guy but if it was shown you were a feminist it wouldn't be a surprise to me.


Well, devia, I'm not surprised that you object to Bob's criticism of feminist dogma.   Many females don't like Bob's continuing support of men and men's activism. 

You are mistaken if you think that Bob is anti-female, or "against women" as you put it.    You have probably missed Bob's reccomendation of a good women's blog at http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2006/11/good-womans-blog.html  or you can just go to the good women's blog at http://homeliving.blogspot.com/   

Like most MRA's, Bob is a straight man who would love to be able to have a happy life without the feminist war on men.   Unfortunatly straight men are in trouble and at risk whenever we get near a feamale we thouth was different from the others.   Sure, she's different, but check out the Men's Stories page for examples of men who tried to trust a female in a feminazi police state.  Like most straight men, Bob wants to have a good life with a decent (non-feminst) female. 

Blessings

Bob










Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 08:07 PM
bob............................I see flashes ofboth brilliance and buffoonery in your posts
like saying all women should be in the kitchen and that women dont belong in leadership postiions is downright dumb
the things you say about rape not being a real crime...........stupid as hell
your ideas about  doing property damage to companies that make $$$ off misandry...................absolute genius
your libertarian convictions.................very rational
but much of your overt sexism  goes against  what a libertarian in my opiniion should be

btw bob, devia is one of the good guys, she likes ayn rand!!!!!!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 27, 2008, 08:13 PM
You're a straight man.. but you defend what Jackson did as normal behavior between adolescent boys? Not sure what you meant there Bob.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 08:16 PM
devia, you gotta admit, any sane parent wouldnt let their kid spend the night at wacko jacko's house
if yer gonna do that why not let michael vick take care of your puppies for ya????
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 27, 2008, 08:17 PM
This site  http://homeliving.blogspot.com  looks just like yours.  That's strange.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 08:21 PM
still, devia............................any normal parent would know better than to send thier kids to  wacko jacko's house
like carlos mencia said "michael jackson has never hid the fact that HE'S A FUCKIN FREAK"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 27, 2008, 08:22 PM
Well Bob would:
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2005/04/normal-boyish-puberty-play.html

That's just normal stuff for him.

He's an attention slut. Say the worst thing possible and someone will notice me.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:24 PM

bob............................I see flashes ofboth brilliance and buffoonery in your posts
like saying all women should be in the kitchen and that women dont belong in leadership postiions is downright dumb


Bob objects to the victories of first wave femimism.  If you think that's "dumb" then we will have to disagree.   Bob opposes all feminism, even the first wave feminism victories and accomplishments.  Feminsm has always made things worse for men.  

Quote

the things you say about rape not being a real crime...........stupid as hell
your ideas about  doing property damage to companies that make $$$ off misandry...................absolute genius
your libertarian convictions.................very rational
but much of your overt sexism  goes against  what a libertarian in my opiniion should be


Bob supports men, not females.  Bob is an advocate for men.   If we disagree on some topics then we will disagree.  Bob is an advocate for men even where some Libertarians may advocate for females instead.  

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btw bob, devia is one of the good guys, she likes ayn rand!!!!!!


Don't know about Ayn Rand.   Ms. devia has been bashing and misrepresenting Bob lately, and posting some classic feminist dogma.  I'm not sure that makes her a "good guy."  

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 08:26 PM
welll TPTM dont think that freedom is for men only
and TPTM asks the ?, if all the women are in the kitchen, who is gonna shake ass at harlem nights, cuz TPTM likes to go to harlem nights
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 08:36 PM

welll TPTM dont think that freedom is for men only
and TPTM asks the ?, if all the women are in the kitchen, who is gonna shake ass at harlem nights, cuz TPTM likes to go to harlem nights


Well, TPTM, females have always divided themselves between wives and whores.  Over many millennia the wives stayed home, raised the children, and minded the kitchen.  The whores learned poetry and music, song and dance, and worked in houses of entertainment or as women of the evening.  If you are shaking in harlem you are looking for a whore class female, not a good wife female. 

Feminsm, of course, hated the whole concept of good wifes and also hated whores.   Feminsts hated marriage, and turned young women to learning poetry and music instead of how to run a home.  The feminists also hated the commercial availability of whores too, of course, so prostitution is now illegal in all of the United States and most other feminist dominated countries.   That was one of the victories of first wave feminism, part of what most people alive today just assume is "what has always been."

Without feminism your harlem nights would be a happy time for you and the hot babes who you meet.  It's time to recognize the enemy as femimism and join together to fight against all feminsm.

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 08:43 PM
TPTM believes that a whore is not less of a woman than a wife, nor a diswasher less of a man than a wall street fat cat, nor a childless 35 year old career woman less of a woman than a 25 year old stay at home mother of 3
TPTM's religon is unitarianism which believes in the inherent worth and dignity of all human beings
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:00 PM

TPTM believes that a whore is not less of a woman than a wife, nor a diswasher less of a man than a wall street fat cat, nor a childless 35 year old career woman less of a woman than a 25 year old stay at home mother of 3
TPTM's religon is unitarianism which believes in the inherent worth and dignity of all human beings


I don't think anyone said that the traditional whore class female was "worth" less than a wife class female.   Both have had their place in every culture and society for thousands of years.

As for a 35 year old career female, I'm not so sure.  The underlying purpose and meaning of life is life, and life is families and children.   A female who has chosen to take herself out of the purpose and meaning of life to pursue a dead end career has only questionable value for the future generations of the society.  Seems to me that family and children is where the real value lies.  Some educated white cultures are now under breeding themselves out of existence.  How valuable is the not bred female to the culture?   Your mileage may vary.

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 27, 2008, 09:07 PM
bob do u have to use a thrd party type thing because you are afraid to be your-self?

or is it because behind a keyboard u can be anyone u want?
   just curious


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 09:09 PM
TPTM thinks that bob is probably intelligent but mentally ill in some way
TPTM has had the thought that bob is just a psycho troll, but TPTM for some reason cant  help but try to reason with bob
for the record TPTM thinks that bobs blog is  pretty gross :occasion18:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:29 PM

bob do u have to use a thrd party type thing because you are afraid to be your-self?

or is it because behind a keyboard u can be anyone u want?
   just curious


Bob is a cyber libertarian who advocates for the basic human rights of men.   Take that for what its worth.

Blessings

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:32 PM

TPTM thinks that bob is probably intelligent but mentally ill in some way
TPTM has had the thought that bob is just a psycho troll, but TPTM for some reason cant  help but try to reason with bob
for the record TPTM thinks that bobs blog is  pretty gross :occasion18:


I don't know why the topic has switched from the original topic to your negative opinoions of Bob.  Surely we can discuss the topic, agree or disagree, without digressing into negative personal comments. 

blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 27, 2008, 09:32 PM
Well, The Gonzman is the father of a 28 year old daughter who has been married for four years, holds a Master's degree, a 3rd degree black belt, who can fire off 8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster, gut a deer, play a game of chess, discuss philosophy, stitch up a wound, set a bone, repair her own car, clean her own gun, throw a football and dress up in such a fashion that when her 6'3" self walks into a room talk ceases and heads turn, all envying my son in law, to whom she is devoted.

The Gonzman taught her to respect herself, and to pick a man who likewise respected himself, because she deserved no less, and because no other kind of man could respect her.

The Gonzman taught her to be able to take care of herself in the worst happen, because the she would never be tempted to settle for any old man out of desperation.

You're welcome to classify her as a whore.  If one does so, please leave your address so she may come and discuss this with you personally - if you are man enough.  One does so at their own peril.

I remember Bob well from the old Men's News Daily Boards.  In fact, just for grins I checked the old database.

He was one of the first banned.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 27, 2008, 09:36 PM
TPTM thinks gonz is a pretty good ole dude and that the Gonz's daughter is probably the kind of hot fox that would make him break his color rule
TPTM could probably also whip Gonz's daughter in a chess match but could never hope to shoot that straight(stoners dont have that good depth perception), TPTM also wonders why the GOnz's daughter chose karate instead of boxing
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:43 PM

I remember Bob well from the old Men's News Daily Boards.  In fact, just for grins I checked the old database.
He was one of the first banned.


Bob is a cyber libertarian who advocates for the basic human rights of men.   Female board moderators who require adherence to feminist principles and Bob do not get along very well.   It's not much of a MRA who hasn't gotten booted off a feminist run board.  When MND turned their board over to a feminist female we didn't get along.  DUH!

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: ramcharger1985 on Jan 27, 2008, 09:50 PM




John, it seems that you are more likely to side with feminists because your "values" tell you to (which is what you did in this case).

Do the feminists show the same respect to you John?


Actually, I signed up at my local NOW chapter today and I'm just feeling the love.


This is actually a very good tactic: Infiltrate the ranks of feminists and take control of their power base. 


What have tactics like that gotten us? Tactics like that depend on feminists beginning to care about men. Haven't the last 40 years shown us that goal is next to impossible. It is not in the nature of the beast. We are begining to see alot of complaints about the marriage strike, that is where we are winning this, not in the halls of NOW. That's like American troops joining the Iraqi military to beat them.

The post on Yahoo that opened this thread is how to go about it. Explain why men are angry and make no apologies.


Exactly. I don't see why we should play nice, it's not going to get us anything. Feminists are programmed to hate men and they are never going to understand our point of view, there is nothing you could do that could change their minds; so who really cares how we look in their eyes? We are shit no matter what we do in their minds, and unless we want to see things improve for men in this country, we pretty much would have to use the same tactics the feminists used....it obviously worked in their favor.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 28, 2008, 12:26 AM

8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster....,

Ummm..not good enough.
Better than the majority of urban police I imagine.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 03:34 AM


8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster....,

Ummm..not good enough.
Better than the majority of urban police I imagine.


She does a lot better with her 9mm, but she insists on using her .45
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 07:40 AM
Sometimes Devia just adores the Gonz.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 08:53 AM
I believe hes talking about inner cities...what with hoodies and all.
Stally


There is no epidemic of violence. Crime has fallen sharply in the recent years. Other than that I like it, especially the part about how women's interests are being put at risk, all for the sake of enabling women who are liars and extortionists.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 09:05 AM
exactly, they would say it anyways...this mangina approach to Mens rights is bullshit. We are at war, and will be for the next 100 years if we continue to play nice and give a fuck what the feminist say about us, and most of all, try to placate and appease them. Nice guys finish last. but they get to f##k the fat chick.  Ask the broke guy who just went to jail because he cant pay his child support for a child that isnt even his, and whom lives in a house he used to live in, but now is forced to simply pay for. Ask the guy whose gf started an argument with him, started beating him, and when he defended himself, a bunch of manginas kicked the shit out of him...  Hell ask the guy who just retired, and is told he is selfish and needs to go back to work for another 10 years to ensure his parisite is well taken care of when he kicks the bucket.
Stally



I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.


The RADFEMS would say it anyway and as usual they would need no proof.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CaptDMO on Jan 28, 2008, 09:08 AM

She does a lot better with her 9mm, but she insists on using her .45
;-)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 09:15 AM



8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster....,

Ummm..not good enough.
Better than the majority of urban police I imagine.


She does a lot better with her 9mm, but she insists on using her .45



And she has the pussy pass for murder.  If she kills a husbnd with her .45 she'll get 6 months probation.

Should a husband trust a female with a weapon and a pass?   

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Aegis on Jan 28, 2008, 09:31 AM




8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster....,

Ummm..not good enough.
Better than the majority of urban police I imagine.


She does a lot better with her 9mm, but she insists on using her .45



And she has the pussy pass for murder.  If she kills a husbnd with her .45 she'll get 6 months probation.

Should a husband trust a female with a weapon and a pass?   

Blessings

Bob


You weren't around for a previous thread about the Gonzman's daughter.  As you said, you were otherwise occupied.  Advocating rape and assault of police officers is time consuming, I would imagine.  But in that thread, the Gonzman shared with us just how proud he is of his daughter.  I must agree that he has reason.  His daughter stood for what was right, outing a so-called friend who was engaging in paternity fraud.  His daughter faced the scorn of her peers with grace and equanimity.  I would feel safer around Gonzman's daughter when she was carrying, not less safe, even if she were furious with me.  Her character has been tested and proven.  I could not say the same of you.  If you were with me and carrying, I would be terrified of being pulled over, because you just might turn it into a shootout.  Seriously, get a grip.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 09:32 AM
I have a daughter. I raise her to be able to do what she wants. i think the difference is, is that I dont tell her she is due anything (special) because she is a girl. She is due because she is just as good as anyone else. So as far as I have seen she doesnt have an overly developed entitlement attitude if she has one at all. She is only 13. In short anything she wants to do, and can do, she has my blessings. I hope this makes sense.
But things will probably get more complicated as she gets older....
Stally
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 09:38 AM
Get a grip Stally..

She's 13.. you're running out of time. If you were a good father you'd be busy finding a husband for her before she's out of her breeding age and becomes a whore with all that fancy education.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: MAUS on Jan 28, 2008, 09:43 AM

Get a grip Stally..

She's 13.. you're running out of time. If you were a good father you'd be busy finding a husband for her before she's out of her breeding age and becomes a whore with all that fancy education.





Right on Devia....she should persue a career as a divorce lawyer. We can always import taxpayer replenishment to fund our retirements from elsewhere...Hell...why should they resent being overtaxed for the benefit of those who were too selfish to share their jellybeans with a kid.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 09:52 AM
Damn, here I am thinking I had done a somewhat decent job....and now I find out Im a failure.... :bawl:

I think she wants to be a Vet, or a graphics artist...
Stally
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 10:14 AM




8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster....,

Ummm..not good enough.
Better than the majority of urban police I imagine.


She does a lot better with her 9mm, but she insists on using her .45



And she has the pussy pass for murder.  If she kills a husbnd with her .45 she'll get 6 months probation.

Should a husband trust a female with a weapon and a pass?   

Blessings

Bob




Are you saying my daughter, who I raised and taught morality to, should not be trusted to defend herself because she has a XX chromosome?

If so, that is either a direct personal insult to me by implying I am deficient in instilling morality in my children; or a direct personal attack on my daughter in implying she is incapable of learning those lessons.

Care to clarify?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 10:23 AM
the way the gonzdaughter can shoot, TPTM thinks sh needs a new nickname
1.Leann harvey oswald
2. CHarlene withman :toothy9:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 10:26 AM
<<<I think she wants to be a Vet, or a graphics artist..>>>

Well first of all Stally those might be whore activities (you'll have the check with the expert). Second both of those engagements will undermine her childbearing years. I'm not sure if your on the right path to being a good father. Don't you have a friend where she could find her real calling with?




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 10:28 AM
TPTM also would suggest to the gonzdaughter to use a ruger .357 with .38 rounds; TPTM had a  redhawk(or was it blackhawk) as a teen and couldnt shoot straight for shit(The magnum kicked and TPTM being a smaller guy discovered that .38 shells eleiminated most of the upward kick and enabled him to  shoot a bit straighter)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 11:29 AM
How about being a waitress?  what career path would you propose? There are so many to choose from! As for friends, I dont know if I should entrust such an important item,  to anyone dumb enough to be a friend of mine......hehehe
I guess Im going about this all wrong....
Stally


<<<I think she wants to be a Vet, or a graphics artist..>>>

Well first of all Stally those might be whore activities (you'll have the check with the expert). Second both of those engagements will undermine her childbearing years. I'm not sure if your on the right path to being a good father. Don't you have a friend where she could find her real calling with?





Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 11:31 AM
Stally................aint you from the TIdewater ARea of VA
TPTM thinks that maybe  you're daughter might like welding(TPTM use to be a welder but prefers the oxyfuel torch, mufflers are TPTM's thing)
and dont forget that a good welder could get n in the navy ship yards with extremely high pay
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 11:47 AM
Yep, unfortunetly I do live her in Hampton Roads/Tiredwater......
joking aside, if she wanted to be a welder, I would help her out, but for now, she just wants to draw and stuff,  and learn about animals.
I was just kidding in my last post.
Stally
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 11:49 AM
TPTM once read a book by a guy namd nathan McCall from the TIdewater area
and TPTM would like to remind that in this day in age you can change careers in mid stream if the money aint right or its not fufilling
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 11:57 AM
Stally thinks that this here dude McCall, sounds like a real thoughtful type fella. He wishes he had met him 20 years ago....  Stally says he would be an alcholic after lliving in Hampto Roads all these years, cept he dont drink....
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 11:58 AM
<<<How about being a waitress?>>

Are you kidding me????

Waitress's are obviously in the whore part of the definition of being a female, Bringing a man who is not their husband food totally equals whore in my books.. Nurses.. don't even get me started...sponge baths and seeing men unclothed and all.

Friggen harlots.   Yes they have their place of course.








Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 12:01 PM

Stally thinks that this here dude McCall, sounds like a real thoughtful type fella. He wishes he had met him 20 years ago....  Stally says he would be an alcholic after lliving in Hampto Roads all these years, cept he dont drink....


TPTM also has another career suggestion
how bout "workin at the car wash yeah...................te work is kkind of hard/it aint no place to be f you plan on bein a star/workin at the car wash yeah wowkr and work and work" :toothy9:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:05 PM
You obviously have put a lot of thought in to this, and know a lot more about it that I ever would. I would appreciate any help you can give me about putting my daughter on the right path to adult hood.
But I am not to sure about marrige and kids and such before she is 18.
Spose I got to put my nose to the grindstone and come up with a decent career.....Now that waitressing and nursing is out.
Stally


<<<How about being a waitress?>>

Are you kidding me????

Waitress's are obviously in the whore part of the definition of being a female, Bringing a man who is not their husband food totally equals whore in my books.. Nurses.. don't even get me started...sponge baths and seeing men unclothed and all.

Friggen harlots.   Yes they have their place of course.









Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 12:10 PM
from these last few posts-i am starting to think that-you all wanna be something like "Bob"
and be something that you personify  cause you ain't got the guts to be your true self !
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:11 PM
My friend Stally says that while there isnt a problem working at the car wash...There is the little problem of trying to make ends meet in this time honored profession. What use is it he says, to have a clean car, but to have to live in it because he cant afford to pay the rent? Hey he answered his own Question!!!




Stally thinks that this here dude McCall, sounds like a real thoughtful type fella. He wishes he had met him 20 years ago....  Stally says he would be an alcholic after lliving in Hampto Roads all these years, cept he dont drink....


TPTM also has another career suggestion
how bout "workin at the car wash yeah...................te work is kkind of hard/it aint no place to be f you plan on bein a star/workin at the car wash yeah wowkr and work and work" :toothy9:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 12:13 PM

from these last few posts-i am starting to think that-you all wanna be something like "Bob"
and be something that you personify  cause you ain't got the guts to be your true self !



i prove my point!!!

Devia thinks that when she talks about herself in third person there is a kind of freeing act in it... it's not what devia's body and mind thinks.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 12:16 PM

from these last few posts-i am starting to think that-you all wanna be something like "Bob"
and be something that you personify  cause you ain't got the guts to be your true self !


I think it's more along the lines of people wandering what it would be like to go back a few decades.

There is nothing wrong with looking at the past and comparing it to the chaos we have today.

Of course, there is no going back without a civil war I think.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 12:18 PM
TPTM paraphrasing a demi god by the name of bocephus.......asks "cant we all just get a long-neck?"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:24 PM
Explain....




I think it's more along the lines of people wandering what it would be like to go back a few decades.

There is nothing wrong with looking at the past and comparing it to the chaos we have today.

Of course, there is no going back without a civil war I think.


Stally wishes he had a long neck or case or 2.....Now if he could just get over his aversion to alcohol..
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 12:27 PM
You want me to explain the bolded part Stally?

LOL, I just realized that I misspelled a word. Wandering should be wondering

To explain: It is normal for people to look to the past to make a comparison to today. Especially if you talk to elderly people.

I find it amazing that when I talk to my grandmother, she doesn't remember being oppressed. Women WERE happy back then according to the people who lived it.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 12:28 PM
TPTM says that stally is welcome to come to the mobile home and take a few hits off Osama Bong Laden or sabong husien or barack obonga, giving stally cottonmouth, thus making him thirsty enough to drink a few red stripes
unfortunatly TPTM has quit smokin weed until after the republican primaries in Texas in order to campaign forDr Paul
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:31 PM
Yea, its amazing how so many people didnt know they were "oppressed" until some ass%% came and told them they were...Lots of people now a days, are so willing  to be victims.
Stally


You want me to explain the bolded part Stally?

LOL, I just realized that I misspelled a word. Wandering should be wondering

To explain: It is normal for people to look to the past to mmake a comparison to today. Especially if you talk to elderly people.

I find it amazing that when I talk to my grandmother, she doesn't remember being oppressed. Women WERE happy back then according to the people who lived it.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 28, 2008, 12:37 PM

TPTM says that stally is welcome to come to the mobile home and take a few hits off Osama Bong Laden or sabong husien or barack obonga, giving stally cottonmouth, thus making him thirsty enough to drink a few red stripes
unfortunatly TPTM has quit smokin weed until after the republican primaries in Texas in order to campaign forDr Paul


Now that is some funny shit!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:37 PM
While my buddy Stally, does appreciate your kindly offer. He says that with all due respect, he is going to have to decline it.  He says that for 1 thing, that mobile home-trailer parks are like internationally known hot spots for many of this
countries Acts of god/Natural disasters...(Namely Tornadoes!!!) and 2, while Stally does have his vices, the wacky tobbacky isnt one of them....Perhaps you might have some them er trailer trash women around?


TPTM says that stally is welcome to come to the mobile home and take a few hits off Osama Bong Laden or sabong husien or barack obonga, giving stally cottonmouth, thus making him thirsty enough to drink a few red stripes
unfortunatly TPTM has quit smokin weed until after the republican primaries in Texas in order to campaign forDr Paul
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 12:40 PM
nope Stally, TPTM is the kinda redneck that prefers the bus stop Keisha's to the trailer park Tracy's :greener:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 12:43 PM
Stally says, that although he knows that Beggies cant be choosies, he prefers the sanctity of the Tracies....  And he forgives you fer bein a redneck..


nope Stally, TPTM is the kinda redneck that prefers the bus stop Keisha's to the trailer park Tracy's :greener:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 12:44 PM
TPTM  totally reminds me of the "Trailer park Boys" and he should be a regular on the show.LMAO!! :happy1:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 12:52 PM
http://www.trailerparkboys.com/
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 12:55 PM
Devia thinks that it there was a tornado both Stally and Tony whould be welcome in her old home to ride it out, Devia knows that there father wouldn't allow Bob within 100 meters of said property.






Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 12:56 PM

Devia knows that there father wouldn't allow Bob within 100 meters of said property.









thats why there are guns-to protect our whores and cunts
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 01:00 PM
Stally and his daughter say thanks....He could use the time to come up with an acceptable career for her....


Devia thinks that it there was a tornado both Stally and Tony whould be welcome in her old home to ride it out, Devia knows that there father wouldn't allow Bob within 100 meters of said property.







Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 01:06 PM
TPTM has noticed that bob hasnt visited us today
either
1. the gonzdaughter paid him a visit and made him an offer he cant refuse(in chich case he might not ever come back)
2.R kelly pissed on him by mistake
3. he is at michael jackson's house engaging in "normal" behaviour
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 01:41 PM
Devia thinks we should all enjoy getting along with each other, and respect each others opinions... but that's just devia.

  Devia did not know that her oldest daughter being really smart school wise , and fun to be around is a whore because her boyfriend and her are not married yet.

Devia has much false pride in her oldest daughter. Devia's daughter had a much higher IQ then a daughter should have.

Devia did not know that her daughter would be much happier married to an old man then being in school. Devia's daughter would be better off following Bob's plan for her then contributing to society as a large.






Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 01:45 PM
well outdoors must prepare his young daughter for the real life! and school is definately an option-must train her to be a good wife-while she is young enough to understand that being your-self and working to strive in life just makes you a whore and someones cunt.,
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 01:48 PM
TPTM would like to extend an invitation to all whores and cunts to come work at Tony's Den of Sin, which includes a benifits package of a lifetime supply of weave, a whitney houston CD and a "leave me alone I'm tony's bitch" t-shirt
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 01:52 PM
 i need to smoke 1
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Thomas on Jan 28, 2008, 01:56 PM
Quote
While my buddy Stally, does appreciate your kindly offer. He says that with all due respect, he is going to have to decline it.


Good Lord, Stally! Did you just write that in the fourth person?


Boffings

Thomas
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 01:57 PM

i need to smoke 1


you aint the only one
TPTM cant wait till after ROn Paul wins the TX republcian primary so he can spark up again
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 01:58 PM

TPTM has noticed that bob hasnt visited us today
either
1. the gonzdaughter paid him a visit and made him an offer he cant refuse(in chich case he might not ever come back)


That would be the Gonzette, thank you very much.  Who just so happens to be here right now.  So if Bob turns up not turning up, she has her alibi.  Not that Bob might not still have a case of the cement overshoes as Teh Gonzette still has her Evil (tm) XX Chromosome powerz.

Well - hey - T! Yo!  Chat at the lads, eh wot?  Imma get me a cuppa joe.

Funny, pop, you're a laugh factory.  Someone tell His Snarkiness to get off my butt about the .9mm, with the 45, I only need two shots.  Anyone who can get up with two rounds of that in him is not going to be impressed at all with even a whole clip of .9mm.

Dad is just grumpy because next week he has to watch the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Is everyone talking in the third person?  Well, Gonzette went and looked at Bob's site, and is glad that she has a husband like Jason, and not like Bob.  But the Gonzette is sure that her opinion doesn't mean anything to Bob anyway, since she's just a whore who works in a pediatric ward.  It's not like taking care of children is important work or anything.  Besides, Bob says that no matter what I say I am doing, I'm obviously just trolling a hospital wing full of burned children, cancer victims, and other tragedies in search of the latest man to scratch my female needs.  We all know how romantic human suffering is.

Call me what you want, Bob.  You call my husband or father anything, though, and you and I will have words.  I'll get an account here and we can talk then.

Here's Dad again.

Nothing more from here.  That's telling the ol' ebephile.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:02 PM
i love you gonzette!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 02:05 PM
<<TPTM would like to extend an invitation to all whores and cunts to come work at Tony's Den of Sin, which includes a benifits package of a lifetime supply of weave, a whitney houston CD and a "leave me alone I'm tony's bitch" t-shirt>>

I guess the kid should be happy for your offer, I'll have to break it to her..Even though she's been studious her whole life, been only with one guy (who is amazing) I think my daughter qualifies as a whore.

Opps.. forgot.... her dad should be the one telling her if she's a wife or a whore not me.

BTW.. I am sooo a whore...given the two choices I can only be happy to be a whore. I read too much to be a wife.










Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 02:10 PM
Just grumpy...? PATRIOTS?!?!?!?!?!

Imma smack me a baby girl.  I totally missed that, and now she's scooted her little butt out the door.

Goddamn ungrateful kids.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
TPTM thinks that he might have to live his entire life without seeing a Lions super bowl victory :bawl:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:15 PM
i personally like whores -cheaper than marriage-no bitchin'-don't have to wash windows first-get what you pay for-never the same-go yur own way!(hopefully)
There are proffesionals and there are victims


-so whatdoya think TPTM?    11 to early?


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:16 PM
TPTM thinks 11 is too early UNLESS TPTM opens a Den of Sin in KY, or West VA
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 02:17 PM

Well, The Gonzman is the father of a 28 year old daughter who has been married for four years, holds a Master's degree, a 3rd degree black belt, who can fire off 8 rounds at the range within a nine inch cluster, gut a deer, play a game of chess, discuss philosophy, stitch up a wound, set a bone, repair her own car, clean her own gun, throw a football and dress up in such a fashion that when her 6'3" self walks into a room talk ceases and heads turn, all envying my son in law, to whom she is devoted.

The Gonzman taught her to respect herself, and to pick a man who likewise respected himself, because she deserved no less, and because no other kind of man could respect her.

The Gonzman taught her to be able to take care of herself in the worst happen, because the she would never be tempted to settle for any old man out of desperation.

You're welcome to classify her as a whore.  If one does so, please leave your address so she may come and discuss this with you personally - if you are man enough.  One does so at their own peril.

I remember Bob well from the old Men's News Daily Boards.  In fact, just for grins I checked the old database.

He was one of the first banned.



Your daughter sounds like a poster child for feminst advocacy, the perfect "have it all" achiever.

Bob, on the other hand, is an advocate for men, not mothers, sisters, daughters, or any other feminists.  We likely will disagree on many issues.  

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:20 PM
TPTM suggests that bob smoke a fat one, find a nice weavalina with some junk in the trunk, put on an old hank williams Sr record and have a slow dance, and just enjoy the company
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 02:22 PM

Advocating rape and assault of police officers is time consuming, I would imagine. 


I'm sure you are mistaken.  Bob has never  advocated either rape nor assault of police officers.   We need to correct such mistaken accusations before they get passed around. 


Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:23 PM
yur good bob! i have no doubt about it.
I just think that maybe you are losing a lot of possible allies by your overzealousness .I can understand your anger(angry my-self)-I think you would be an excellent activist-if u were not over the top.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 02:26 PM


from these last few posts-i am starting to think that-you all wanna be something like "Bob"
and be something that you personify  cause you ain't got the guts to be your true self !


I think it's more along the lines of people wandering what it would be like to go back a few decades.

There is nothing wrong with looking at the past and comparing it to the chaos we have today.

Of course, there is no going back without a civil war I think.



Yes, the feminist war on men that we have now is quite uncivil.

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 02:28 PM
Devia just enjoys this whole talking in third person thing... and kinda feels sorry for Bob.

Devia didn't really need to post this post.. but Devia thought it would be ok for Devia to get one more post in before the whole third person thing gets old before Devia thinks this whole thing is just getting silly.

Sometimes Devia likes being silly... she kinda likes Bob in a pet sort of way.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:30 PM

Devia just enjoys this whole talking in third person thing... and kinda feels sorry for Bob.

Devia didn't really need to post this post.. but Devia thought it would be ok for Devia to get one more post in before the whole third person thing gets old before Devia thinks this whole thing is just getting silly.

Sometimes Devia likes being silly... she kinda likes Bob in a pet sort of way.






maybe ya wanna go back to the old days.....and teach"bob" a lesson-lol
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:31 PM
TPTM is jealous that devia would like someone else :BangHead:
TPTM says that devia is to hate everyone elso on this board except him so they can maintain the canuckstani-texican axis of evil.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 02:31 PM

yur good bob! i have no doubt about it.
I just think that maybe you are losing a lot of possible allies by your overzealousness .I can understand your anger(angry my-self)-I think you would be an excellent activist-if u were not over the top.


Bob's grandfather faught in the trenches during WWI.   When the time came to attack it was always "over the top" which is where that expression came from.   Bob's grandfather was seriously wounded and never regained full use of one leg.  

When the time comes to finally mount a counter attack agaisnt the feminist war on men, the milquetoast appeasers and "nice guys" won't get anything done.  Only those willing to "go over the top" can make the assault and win the war.

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 02:34 PM

i personally like whores -cheaper than marriage-no bitchin'-don't have to wash windows first-get what you pay for-never the same-go yur own way!(hopefully)
There are proffesionals and there are victims

-so whatdoya think TPTM?    11 to early?



Nothing wrong with the whores I have known.

Easy work, good hours, high pay, sexual gratification, all the benefits.  And the ones I've know were good at pleasing men. 

Blessings

Bob




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:35 PM
cunts and whores though? That to me is like using chemical war-fare
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 02:40 PM
Bob grandfather may have fought in WW1 but I'd guess he wasn't there to teach bob many life lessons. I wish he had been.

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2006/09/jonbenet-never-did-get-laid.html

Ick Bob... that's pretty gross.

Outdoors.

Devia would not let Bobs tongue shine her boots even on a good day in the old days.  Something would be missing for Devia regarding the SSC rule (safe, sane , consensual). Sometimes you have to say no even when they beg for it. Devia knows this.




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 02:42 PM

Your daughter sounds like a poster child for feminst advocacy, the perfect "have it all" achiever.

Bob, on the other hand, is an advocate for men, not mothers, sisters, daughters, or any other feminists.  We likely will disagree on many issues. 

Blessings

Bob


Don't "blessing" me, thou Satan, if you are going to call my daughter a feminist.

You are a classic example of what I call a meninist.  You're indistinguishable from a feminist, except for which gender you wish to assign moral vitue and civil rights to, and which gender you wish to enslave.  And stop calling yourself a libertarian, too.  You're no more representative of "freedom for all" than Benito Mussolini.

So what do you want to do, BOB?  Sew a yellow vagina on every woman's clothing?

I have news for you, sirrah.  For all your protesting about "A new way to look at things" you have nothing new at all to offer.  Germany, 1932 - 1943.  Same song, different verse. 

And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.

You know, I very well do advocate the the full force of unjust laws fall on the female of the species in full measure as a means to get them to be repealed.  I do not - and never will - advocate lesser rights or lesser moral agency to someone based on their race, creed, or gender.  I will leave that to totalitarian asswipes.

I have better things in mind then to advocate allowing men to behave as feminists.  I, myself, have a much higher and lofty goal for men - and indeed, for women.  I believe that they can behave up to the level of men if they are taught to do so, and rewarded and punished in equal fashion.  But lowering the bar for men to behave as badly as feminists?  How sad and pathetic.

A waste of manhood.  If that is your definition, be welcome to it.  I will have nothing to do with that.

And I notice you didn't answer my question, either.  Was your personal attack on me for being an incompetant father in instilling morality in my daughter?  Or on her of being incapable of learning them due to her femaleness?  Gutless, BOB.  Your behavior is rank, gutless and cowardly.

We have a word for people like that.  Nithing.

I too, once had bad experiences with women.  Instead of becoming some meninazi, though, I had the self-respecty and personal courage to surround myself with a better class of women, to set higher stqandards for myself, and to set higher expectations of the women in my life - and made of myself such a manly example that they were eager to live up to them.

It's a great pity you're not up to that.  But by all means, surround yourself with weak women and men which you can bully, if that is indeed the limit of your capability.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:43 PM
TPTM is wondering how devia looks in a sha nay nay wig?
TPTM might invite devia to help him host a cable access show "bongs and bondage"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:43 PM


Your daughter sounds like a poster child for feminst advocacy, the perfect "have it all" achiever.

Bob, on the other hand, is an advocate for men, not mothers, sisters, daughters, or any other feminists.  We likely will disagree on many issues. 

Blessings

Bob


Don't "blessing" me, thou Satan, if you are going to call my daughter a feminist.

You are a classic example of what I call a meninist.  You're indistinguishable from a feminist, except for which gender you wish to assign moral vitue and civil rights to, and which gender you wish to enslave.  And stop calling yourself a libertarian, too.  You're no more representative of "freedom for all" than Benito Mussolini.

So what do you want to do, BOB?  Sew a yellow vagina on every woman's clothing?

I have news for you, sirrah.  For all your protesting about "A new way to look at things" you have nothing new at all to offer.  Germany, 1932 - 1943.  Same song, different verse. 

And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.

You know, I very well do advocate the the full force of unjust laws fall on the female of the species in full measure as a means to get them to be repealed.  I do not - and never will - advocate lesser rights or lesser moral agency to someone based on their race, creed, or gender.  I will leave that to totalitarian asswipes.

I have better things in mind then to advocate allowing men to behave as feminists.  I, myself, have a much higher and lofty goal for men - and indeed, for women.  I believe that they can behave up to the level of men if they are taught to do so, and rewarded and punished in equal fashion.  But lowering the bar for men to behave as badly as feminists?  How sad and pathetic.

A waste of manhood.  If that is your definition, be welcome to it.  I will have nothing to do with that.

And I notice you didn't answer my question, either.  Was your personal attack on me for being an incompetant father in instilling morality in my daughter?  Or on her of being incapable of learning them due to her femaleness?  Gutless, BOB.  Your behavior is rank, gutless and cowardly.

We have a word for people like that.  Nithing.

I too, once had bad experiences with women.  Instead of becoming some meninazi, though, I had the self-respecty and personal courage to surround myself with a better class of women, to set higher stqandards for myself, and to set higher expectations of the women in my life - and made of myself such a manly example that they were eager to live up to them.

It's a great pity you're not up to that.  But by all means, surround yourself with weak women and men which you can bully, if that is indeed the limit of your capability.





Way to go Gonz!!!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 02:44 PM
<<<TPTM is jealous that devia would like someone else
TPTM says that devia is to hate everyone elso on this board except him so they can maintain the canuckstani-texican axis of evil.>>>>

Devia thinks there is enough of her whore self to go around. Devia thinks that you should gladly share her whore self with BOB.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 02:44 PM

Devia just enjoys this whole talking in third person thing... and kinda feels sorry for Bob.

Devia didn't really need to post this post.. but Devia thought it would be ok for Devia to get one more post in before the whole third person thing gets old before Devia thinks this whole thing is just getting silly.

Sometimes Devia likes being silly... she kinda likes Bob in a pet sort of way.





Quick question Devia. Why do women always say "I feel sorry for you" when in disagreement with someone? That is just as condescending as a Christian saying the same thing in regards to a person "not yet finding the lord".
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:46 PM

Bob grandfather may have fought in WW1 but I'd guess he wasn't there to teach bob many life lessons. I wish he had been.

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2006/09/jonbenet-never-did-get-laid.html

Ick Bob... that's pretty gross.

Outdoors.

Devia would not let Bobs tongue shine her boots even on a good day in the old days.  Something would be missing for Devia regarding the SSC rule (safe, sane , consensual). Sometimes you have to say no even when they beg for it. Devia knows this.






              u are gonna make me beg yet!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:47 PM


Your daughter sounds like a poster child for feminst advocacy, the perfect "have it all" achiever.

Bob, on the other hand, is an advocate for men, not mothers, sisters, daughters, or any other feminists.  We likely will disagree on many issues. 

Blessings

Bob


Don't "blessing" me, thou Satan, if you are going to call my daughter a feminist.

You are a classic example of what I call a meninist.  You're indistinguishable from a feminist, except for which gender you wish to assign moral vitue and civil rights to, and which gender you wish to enslave.  And stop calling yourself a libertarian, too.  You're no more representative of "freedom for all" than Benito Mussolini.

So what do you want to do, BOB?  Sew a yellow vagina on every woman's clothing?

I have news for you, sirrah.  For all your protesting about "A new way to look at things" you have nothing new at all to offer.  Germany, 1932 - 1943.  Same song, different verse. 

And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.

You know, I very well do advocate the the full force of unjust laws fall on the female of the species in full measure as a means to get them to be repealed.  I do not - and never will - advocate lesser rights or lesser moral agency to someone based on their race, creed, or gender.  I will leave that to totalitarian asswipes.

I have better things in mind then to advocate allowing men to behave as feminists.  I, myself, have a much higher and lofty goal for men - and indeed, for women.  I believe that they can behave up to the level of men if they are taught to do so, and rewarded and punished in equal fashion.  But lowering the bar for men to behave as badly as feminists?  How sad and pathetic.

A waste of manhood.  If that is your definition, be welcome to it.  I will have nothing to do with that.

And I notice you didn't answer my question, either.  Was your personal attack on me for being an incompetant father in instilling morality in my daughter?  Or on her of being incapable of learning them due to her femaleness?  Gutless, BOB.  Your behavior is rank, gutless and cowardly.

We have a word for people like that.  Nithing.

I too, once had bad experiences with women.  Instead of becoming some meninazi, though, I had the self-respecty and personal courage to surround myself with a better class of women, to set higher stqandards for myself, and to set higher expectations of the women in my life - and made of myself such a manly example that they were eager to live up to them.

It's a great pity you're not up to that.  But by all means, surround yourself with weak women and men which you can bully, if that is indeed the limit of your capability.




TPTM would gladly buy you a cold brew if you ever make it to the lone star state, gonzman(offer goes for the gonzette, aka leah harvey oswald too :greener:)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Stallywood on Jan 28, 2008, 02:53 PM
My buddy Stally says, what the heck yu talkin bout. He says theres only 2 of us here....not foe.


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While my buddy Stally, does appreciate your kindly offer. He says that with all due respect, he is going to have to decline it.


Good Lord, Stally! Did you just write that in the fourth person?


Boffings

Thomas
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 02:57 PM
now.... i need  beer and a hoot
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 02:57 PM
Garak,

<<<Quick question Devia. Why do women always say "I feel sorry for you" when in disagreement with someone?">>>

I can't answer for women in general but I do feel sorry for him in a  "I would not want to walk a mile in his shoes " kind of way. I don't believe that women or men in general think much about what that person mind must be going through.




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Galt on Jan 28, 2008, 02:58 PM
Bobx23456,

It seems to me that you are like a hard-core feminist, only the genders are reversed.

You solely look at your side of the coin when forming your policies - that's exactly what feminists do. Your idea is to marry off the girl when she's 14 (doesn't matter what she thinks) and feminists want legislation to force men to fork over their wallets, kids and houses (doesn't matter what he thinks). In both cases, the other gender is being objectified.

You also might want to rethink your desire to have a wife with no skills at all - she can make it to a divorce lawyer and then you will be dust in family court in today's climate. A dopey wife with no skills equals big alimony, aside from the other things you are going to pay. And - wouldn't you get bored with a brainless thing for a wife?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 02:58 PM
TPTM is gonna drink a couple of red stripes later this evening...................he is still abstaining from from lovemaking with mary jane till after Ron Paul wins TX

what kind of shot do you want......jack daniels or hennessy
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 02:59 PM

Garak,

<<<Quick question Devia. Why do women always say "I feel sorry for you" when in disagreement with someone?">>>

I can't answer for women in general but I do feel sorry for him in a  "I would not want to walk a mile in his shoes " kind of way. I don't believe that women or men in general think much about what that person mind must be going through.







Of course, I can't speak for Bob but if it were me, I wouldn't want your pity. You sound sanctimonious.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 03:01 PM

Bobx23456,

It seems to me that you are like a hard-core feminist, only the genders are reversed.

You solely look at your side of the coin when forming your policies - that's exactly what feminists do. Your idea is to marry off the girl when she's 14 (doesn't matter what she thinks) and feminists want legislation to force men to fork over their wallets, kids and houses (doesn't matter what he thinks). In both cases, the other gender is being objectified.

You also might want to rethink your desire to have a wife with no skills at all - she can make it to a divorce lawyer and then you will be dust in family court in today's climate. A dopey wife with no skills equals big alimony, aside from the other things you are going to pay. And - wouldn't you get bored with a brainless thing for a wife?


Uh huh, in todays courts she will get paid no matter what. He may as well have a wife that pleases him since he will pay anyway.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Thomas on Jan 28, 2008, 03:03 PM
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He says theres only 2 of us here....not foe.


My friend, Thomas, must be verbally cross-eyed.


Boffings

Thomas
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 03:05 PM


Advocating rape and assault of police officers is time consuming, I would imagine.


I'm sure you are mistaken.  Bob has never  advocated either rape nor assault of police officers.   We need to correct such mistaken accusations before they get passed around. 


Blessings

Bob


http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

Quote
DV Pig Gets His

In Miami a blue gun thug DV detective was found dead in his bullet ridden pigmobile. Gun Thug Detective James Walker, 30, was found in an alley by North Miami Beach. He had been working the "Domestic Violence" division of the Miami Blue Gun Thugs. "His car had been filled full of holes," said spokesthug Schwartz.

Walker had spent his days and nights as the armed muscle behind the feminazi anti-family hate laws. He earned his living beating up men, husbands, and locking them in chains. He counted on general cowardice of American men and the overbearing violence of the blue suit gang to ensure his own safety. He counted wrong. Somewhere in Florida is a Real MAN who didn't just lie down and die when the blue gun thugs came to his door. Somewhere in Florida is a Real MAN who let the pig have what he so richly deserved. We don't know who he is, but he is a man who focused his anger on the predatory evil who worked to destroy his life for fun and greed.

One down, many thousand to go. Other evil scum like James Walker are still out there destroying our families and the lives of men every day. They are bought and paid for by the federal government under slush fund hate laws like VAWA. But today, men can breathe a little easier, for there is one fewer evil pig out destroying families. May blue gun thug Walker burn in hell where his evil master, Satan, has called him home.

May all that is sacred bless and protect the courageous man who put a stop to evil.

Bob never advocates any kind of criminal acts, I'm just an observer of the human condition and author of political opinion.

News story here

Labels: Blue gun thugs, Domestic Violence, Florida, VAWA

posted by Bob | Tuesday, January 08, 2008


Well, I suppose since you were talking about murder of police officers, that would technically be true, in a Slick Willie Clinton way.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:06 PM
Gonz...................you ever read alex solzhenstien?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:08 PM
Gonz-u r a god!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 03:08 PM
<<<Of course, I can't speak for Bob but if it were me, I wouldn't want your pity. You sound sanctimonious.>>

BOB doesn't have to want Devia's pity to get it. Pity is a emotion and as a female I can't stop Devia from feeling emotions... BOB knows that.

Devia being an emotional female is very happy today because today has proved that that majority of posters on this board do not want Devia stoned to death because she is a whore. Devia is happy because the majority of posters on this board want Devia's kids to live a happy life like their kids.

Devia's very happy that Bob's views are not this boards view.







Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: strangedisk on Jan 28, 2008, 03:09 PM
Strangedisk has had an opportunity to read some of Bob's posts, including the linked ones by devia and others.  :yikes:  Is there yet a way to unsee?  Can one not unknow a thing?

Nay, let it be known.  Strangedisk thinks its just fine that there are irrational, human-hating arguments out there, by bob and others.  Better to see than not see.  Even more so, let us compare, shall we?  Let's watch the fur fly, as feminists trip over each other to pin responsibility for those arguments on all MRA's, and then on all men.  Let us watch them use these examples as a defense for their own irrational arguments.  Mostly, I watch with satisfaction while bob is baked here on SYG.  It reminds me I'm in the right place, with people who are sane and are good with the skill of thinking, and who long for a world with Justice, not a petty world where their own small demands are ever satisfied, always met, at the cost of those of an other.

Strangedisk also finds this style of commicating quite strange, which suites strangedisk fine.

:cyclo:

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:09 PM
TPTM wants devia stoned to the bone!!!!
TPTM thinks being stoned is a reward not a punishment
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:12 PM

Strangedisk has had an opportunity to read some of Bob's posts, including the linked ones by devia and others.  :yikes:  Is there yet a way to unsee?  Can one not unknow a thing?

Nay, let it be known.  Strangedisk thinks its just fine that there are irrational, human-hating arguments out there, by bob and others.  Better to see than not see.  Even more so, let us compare, shall we?  Let's watch the fur fly, as feminists trip over each other to pin responsibility for those arguments on all MRA's, and then on all men.  Let us watch them use these examples as a defense for their own irrational arguments.  Mostly, I watch with satisfaction while bob is baked here on SYG.  It reminds me I'm in the right place, with people who are sane and are good with the skill of thinking, and who long for a world with Justice, not a petty world where their own small demands are ever satisfied, always met, at the cost of those of an other.

Strangedisk also finds this style of commicating quite strange, which suites strangedisk fine.

:cyclo:





WOW!!!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 03:16 PM
Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 03:19 PM

Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


Calling my daughter a feminist most certainly does NOT qualify as not lashing out, and is profound and unyielding disrespect.

Honeyed words couched in an ignorant manner of expressions so as to feign uniqueness is called being passive-aggressive.  Which is regarded by folks who are educated as a female trait.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:19 PM

Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


i have said he is is good,and he is.I just don't think that thinkin of my daughter as a future whore or someones cunt is appropriate.Do you?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 03:21 PM
No Garak

This is how people who advocate rape, child molestation, killing of police officers, and a society where 1/2 the population has no rights are treated.

Is that a problem with you?


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:24 PM
k gotta feed the deer-put the chickens away-roll 1 and grab a beer--don't leave me behind
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:26 PM


Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


Calling my daughter a feminist most certainly does NOT qualify as not lashing out, and is profound and unyielding disrespect.

Honeyed words couched in an ignorant manner of expressions so as to feign uniqueness is called being passive-aggressive.  Which is regarded by folks who are educated as a female trait.


TPTM has reached the conclusion that the gonzman thiks bob is acting like a little BEYOOOOOOOOOTCH
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 03:33 PM



Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


Calling my daughter a feminist most certainly does NOT qualify as not lashing out, and is profound and unyielding disrespect.

Honeyed words couched in an ignorant manner of expressions so as to feign uniqueness is called being passive-aggressive.  Which is regarded by folks who are educated as a female trait.


TPTM has reached the conclusion that the gonzman thiks bob is acting like a little BEYOOOOOOOOOTCH


Bob has had at least two direct requests for clarification which Bob has ignored.  Which means, where I cone from, that Bob either didn't say what he meant, or mean what he said - OR - is ashamed of what his words mean?

Neither of which remotely fits the definition of "Manly" which he throws around; and puts the lie to its importance to him.

Which means I think we ought to give him to Jen and let her feed him cracked corn.

(http://www.nextnature.net/research/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/chicken3~.jpg)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 03:34 PM

No Garak

This is how people who advocate rape, child molestation, killing of police officers, and a society where 1/2 the population has no rights are treated.

Is that a problem with you?





Whatever Devia, I could say that your sanctimonious attitude is what drives people like Bob to the beliefs that they have.

Is that a problem with you?

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:36 PM




Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


Calling my daughter a feminist most certainly does NOT qualify as not lashing out, and is profound and unyielding disrespect.

Honeyed words couched in an ignorant manner of expressions so as to feign uniqueness is called being passive-aggressive.  Which is regarded by folks who are educated as a female trait.


TPTM has reached the conclusion that the gonzman thiks bob is acting like a little BEYOOOOOOOOOTCH


Bob has had at least two direct requests for clarification which Bob has ignored.  Which means, where I cone from, that Bob either didn't say what he meant, or mean what he said - OR - is ashamed of what his words mean?

Neither of which remotely fits the definition of "Manly" which he throws around; and puts the lie to its importance to him.

Which means I think we ought to give him to Jen and let her feed him cracked corn.

(http://www.nextnature.net/research/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/chicken3~.jpg)


TPTM doesnt disagree with the gonzman at all...........................the only thing that TPTM can say is that that chicken would look a damn sight better fried with some hot sauce on TPTM's plate
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:43 PM
i would be cautious eateing a chicken that looks like that
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 03:45 PM
k-i really think we went off-topic somewhere
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:47 PM
TPTM doesnt think there was an origianl topic
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 03:54 PM
 Devia has no problem with you thinking that she is sanctimonious because she thinks  Bob is of the lowest common denominator. In fact Devia thinks if you agree with Bob Devia can only give kudos to the men who are not like Bob. Devia thinks you are initialed to your viewpoint. Devia thinks she is also initialed to her viewpoint.

Bob thinks Devia should not have a viewpoint. Unless she's a whore. Devia would rather be a whore then not have a viewpoint.

<<<Whatever Devia, I could say that your sanctimonious attitude is what drives people like Bob to the beliefs that they have.

Is that a problem with you?>>>



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 03:56 PM

Devia has no problem with you thinking that she is sanctimonious because she thinks  Bob is of the lowest common denominator. In fact Devia thinks if you agree with Bob Devia can only give kudos to the men who are not like Bob. Devia thinks you are initialed to your viewpoint. Devia thinks she is also initialed to her viewpoint.

Bob thinks Devia should not have a viewpoint. Unless she's a whore. Devia would rather be a whore then not have a viewpoint.

<<<Whatever Devia, I could say that your sanctimonious attitude is what drives people like Bob to the beliefs that they have.

Is that a problem with you?>>>






I guess Devia doesn't agree that for this movement to succeed we need moderates and radicals?

I wonder why Devia thinks that way, because it easier on Devia's gender?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 03:57 PM
TPTM thinks bob goes beyond radical inot the realm of disgusting
and TPTM also thinks devia might be more sensitive to some of bobs more disgusting views cuz devia is a woman
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 03:58 PM
Garak.


Devia does not think that radical means advocating child rape. Does Garak think radical means child rape?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 03:59 PM

Garak.


Devia does not think that radical means advocating child rape. Does Garak think radical means child rape?


Prove that he advocates child rape, then and only then, will this post have any meaning.

Feminists declared war on women who wanted to mothers instead of CEO's, are you ok with that?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:00 PM


No Garak

This is how people who advocate rape, child molestation, killing of police officers, and a society where 1/2 the population has no rights are treated.

Is that a problem with you?


Whatever Devia, I could say that your sanctimonious attitude is what drives people like Bob to the beliefs that they have.

Is that a problem with you?


It is a problem with me.

For all of Devia's frequent off-targetness, I have never heard her advocate for wholesale discrimination of men based upon gender.

Bob does indeed on his blog advocate each and every one of those things, point blank, and in so many words.  And while I freely advocate for his right to say such things - to speak and do that which is both wrong and stupid - it is the responsibility of any moral and thinking person to express their revulsion at such thoughts.

Just because it comes from Devia doesn't mean it's wrong.  In fact, people should be ashamed that it didn't come from them.

Bob is not my comrade.  And if I find him in my trench, I have two words: "Friendly fire."  If we have to welcome people like Bob to win, we deserve to lose.  I will do many things to beat feminism - except become the same thing as them.  It defeats our entire purpose to replace one moral atrocity with its mirror image.

We are the first here to excoriate and rake the feminazis over the coals for not disavowing their extremists.  It's time to be better than them.  This is not a difference in process, but in principle; Bob is not thinking outside the box in advocating a different startegy - he is advocating an entirely different raison d'etre, one that is repugnant in the extreme.

What "Bob" advocates is bald faced evil of proportions that are both Satanic and Hitlerian.

It is odd that within the past week I have spoken of going on feminist blogs undercover and speaking similar things as Bob advocates (with the genders reversed) to great amusement and titters and choruses of "Preach it, sister!" and "You go, GRRRRRRRL!"  I do so in disguise as a woman because the even the exact same thing coming from a male would be shouted down to keep me in my place.

Well?  What say you?  Going to sing that chorus, but in Tenor instead of Soprano?  The feminists wrote it, Garak.  Sure that song is one you want to make your antiphon?

Ever consider the feminists and the lurkers are watching?"  Or that it is highly coincidental that "Bob" posts here such extremism after we talk about posting similar crap on femionist blogs to call attention to THEIR misandry?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:01 PM


Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


i have said he is is good,and he is.I just don't think that thinkin of my daughter as a future whore or someones cunt is appropriate.Do you?



Well do you??????
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:04 PM



No Garak

This is how people who advocate rape, child molestation, killing of police officers, and a society where 1/2 the population has no rights are treated.

Is that a problem with you?


Whatever Devia, I could say that your sanctimonious attitude is what drives people like Bob to the beliefs that they have.

Is that a problem with you?


It is a problem with me.

For all of Devia's frequent off-targetness, I have never heard her advocate for wholesale discrimination of men based upon gender.

Bob does indeed on his blog advocate each and every one of those things, point blank, and in so many words.  And while I freely advocate for his right to say such things - to speak and do that which is both wrong and stupid - it is the responsibility of any moral and thinking person to express their revulsion at such thoughts.

Just because it comes from Devia doesn't mean it's wrong.  In fact, people should be ashamed that it didn't come from them.

Bob is not my comrade.  And if I find him in my trench, I have two words: "Friendly fire."  If we have to welcome people like Bob to win, we deserve to lose.  I will do many things to beat feminism - except become the same thing as them.  It defeats our entire purpose to replace one moral atrocity with its mirror image.

We are the first here to excoriate and rake the feminazis over the coals for not disavowing their extremists.  It's time to be better than them.  This is not a difference in process, but in principle; Bob is not thinking outside the box in advocating a different startegy - he is advocating an entirely different raison d'etre, one that is repugnant in the extreme.

What "Bob" advocates is bald faced evil of proportions that are both Satanic and Hitlerian.

It is odd that within the past week I have spoken of going on feminist blogs undercover and speaking similar things as Bob advocates (with the genders reversed) to great amusement and titters and choruses of "Preach it, sister!" and "You go, GRRRRRRRL!"  I do so in disguise as a woman because the even the exact same thing coming from a male would be shouted down to keep me in my place.

Well?  What say you?  Going to sing that chorus, but in Tenor instead of Soprano?  The feminists wrote it, Garak.  Sure that song is one you want to make your antiphon?

Ever consider the feminists and the lurkers are watching?"  Or that it is highly coincidental that "Bob" posts here such extremism after we talk about posting similar crap on femionist blogs to call attention to THEIR misandry?


What are you saying, that he is a troll? If that is what you believe then why are you feeding the troll?

As for the friendly fire comment, what can I say Gonz, pathetic.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:05 PM
TPTM thinks GOnz is right on target..................well spoken

for the record gonz...its fragging not friedly fire
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:06 PM
I say this is beginning to feel like feministing.com.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:06 PM


Garak.


Devia does not think that radical means advocating child rape. Does Garak think radical means child rape?


Prove that he advocates child rape, then and only then, will this post have any meaning.


Devia already posted such a link, where he states that a six year old got what was coming to her.

Quote

Feminists declared war on women who wanted to mothers instead of CEO's, are you ok with that?


False dilemma
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:08 PM
Whatever, I see it is either play nice with the feminists or get out.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:09 PM
thats bullshit and you know it garak

I have advocated armed resistance myself and  nobody jumped my ass
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:10 PM

What are you saying, that he is a troll? If that is what you believe then why are you feeding the troll?


Because that is what a MAN does when faced with evil.  You confront it, and don't let it stand unchallenged.


As for the friendly fire comment, what can I say Gonz, pathetic.


I will leave standing by someone who speaks evil on the sheer basis of their gender, and ridiculing another who confronts such evil on the basis of their differing gender to feminists.

As for pathetic - how sad that you don't aspire to be better than them.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:11 PM

Whatever, I see it is either play nice with the feminists or get out.


False dilemma
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:14 PM



Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


i have said he is is good,and he is.I just don't think that thinkin of my daughter as a future whore or someones cunt is appropriate.Do you?



Well do you??????




WELL?????????
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:18 PM
It's like this, I haven't read Bob's blogs but I have read what he has posted here and I don't see him as the enemy that you folks do.

Oh you get so pissed off when your daughters are the topic of conversation, chivalry kicking in? I thought chivalry was a thing of the past among people here. Apparently not.

This is what has happened so far in this war:

1) Feminists have generalized and insulted their way to unprecedented success.

2) MRA's have played nice and gotten very little accomplished.

I don't do things Bob's way either but I don't condemn him for being an angry man and speaking out about it.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:20 PM

It's like this, I haven't read Bob's blogs but I have read what he has posted here and I don't see him as the enemy that you folks do.

Oh you get so pissed off when your daughters are the topic of conversation, chivalry kicking in? I thought chivalry was a thing of the past among people here. Apparently not.

This is what has happened so far in this war:

1) Feminists have generalized and insulted their way to unprecedented success.

2) MRA's have played nice and gotten very little accomplished.

I don't do things Bob's way either but I don't condemn him for being an angry man and speaking out about it.




still no need to go that far!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:21 PM


It's like this, I haven't read Bob's blogs but I have read what he has posted here and I don't see him as the enemy that you folks do.

Oh you get so pissed off when your daughters are the topic of conversation, chivalry kicking in? I thought chivalry was a thing of the past among people here. Apparently not.

This is what has happened so far in this war:

1) Feminists have generalized and insulted their way to unprecedented success.

2) MRA's have played nice and gotten very little accomplished.

I don't do things Bob's way either but I don't condemn him for being an angry man and speaking out about it.




still no need to go that far!


In your opinion but I don't really care much for the gang attacks.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:21 PM
there is a difference between being angry and holding crackpot faciast ideas and defending them
I'm angry
I have made threads sying that it would be good if there was a militant guerilla warfare style wing of the MRM
Gonz has basically said he himself has broken the law to help other men
there is a difference between a freedom fighter and an all out terrorist
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:23 PM

there is a difference between being angry and holding crackpot faciast ideas and defending them
I'm angry
I have made threads sying that it would be good if there was a militant guerilla warfare style wing of the MRM
Gonz has basically said he himself has broken the law to help other men
there is a difference between a freedom fighter and an all out terrorist


Ok Tony, convince me that Bob is a terrorist. I hate to see men shoot each other in the damn foot (espeically over mens rights) so show me that Bob deserves it!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:26 PM
1. he has basically said that someone  has no right to choose who they sleep with based on their gender(the rape is a feminist lie response)
2. the jonbenet thing on his blog
3. his refusal to acknowledge that liberty means liberty for all
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:30 PM




Here's what I see.

I see a man "Standing His Ground" against great opposition (myself included) and responding in a mostly respectful manner without lashing out. I admit, he has more self control than I would if I had opposition from all sides.

So this is how people who "Stand their Ground" are treated. Frankly, I am dissapointed.


i have said he is is good,and he is.I just don't think that thinkin of my daughter as a future whore or someones cunt is appropriate.Do you?



Well do you??????




WELL?????????

don't deflect the subject! answer the question.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:30 PM

It's like this, I haven't read Bob's blogs but I have read what he has posted here and I don't see him as the enemy that you folks do.


Then you are speaking from ignorance.  Go read.  He links at the bottom of his posts.

Or are you afraid that you won't be able to defend him, that you will responsible for your knowledge if you correct your ignorance?
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Oh you get so pissed off when your daughters are the topic of conversation, chivalry kicking in? I thought chivalry was a thing of the past among people here. Apparently not.


Are you a father?  Or just one which doesn't defend his children when lies are spoken about them?

If no to the first, then your words mean nothing.  If yes to the second, then you need help.

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This is what has happened so far in this war:

1) Feminists have generalized and insulted their way to unprecedented success.


So the end justifies the means?

Is that what you are saying?  Because that is what these words mean.

And think careful before you give a kneejerk "yes."  It either does, in principle, or it does not.  It is a principle and not open for qualification.

Which means that you need to be okay with it when it's your "group" that is called upon to take it up the ass for the sake of someone else's end - or be exposed as a hypocrite of the most despicable order.

Oh yeah - you are already there.  The feminists decided that sacrificing you was a means justified by their end, and you don't seem too jiggy wid it....

I guess that means your answer would be "no" then, Garak, because it is far better for you to have just made a meaningless and invalid argument than a hypocritical one.
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2) MRA's have played nice and gotten very little accomplished.


False dilemma again.

Playing nice is a spectrum with all points between, and extreme points beyond the pale at each end.  It is most certainly NOT an either/or.

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I don't do things Bob's way either but I don't condemn him for being an angry man and speaking out about it.


Contrary to fact.  Bob does not stop at speaking his rage.  Bob advocates evil.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:32 PM


there is a difference between being angry and holding crackpot faciast ideas and defending them
I'm angry
I have made threads sying that it would be good if there was a militant guerilla warfare style wing of the MRM
Gonz has basically said he himself has broken the law to help other men
there is a difference between a freedom fighter and an all out terrorist


Ok Tony, convince me that Bob is a terrorist. I hate to see men shoot each other in the damn foot (espeically over mens rights) so show me that Bob deserves it!


Go read his blog.

Be a man.  Bob has provided the link for you.  Hell, I will do it again myselfr.

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/

Don't expect other people to do your homework for you, so you can later protest that "cites" are "out of context."
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:34 PM


It's like this, I haven't read Bob's blogs but I have read what he has posted here and I don't see him as the enemy that you folks do.


Then you are speaking from ignorance.  Go read.  He links at the bottom of his posts.

Or are you afraid that you won't be able to defend him, that you will responsible for your knowledge if you correct your ignorance?
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Oh you get so pissed off when your daughters are the topic of conversation, chivalry kicking in? I thought chivalry was a thing of the past among people here. Apparently not.


Are you a father?  Or just one which doesn't defend his children when lies are spoken about them?

If no to the first, then your words mean nothing.  If yes to the second, then you need help.

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This is what has happened so far in this war:

1) Feminists have generalized and insulted their way to unprecedented success.


So the end justifies the means?

Is that what you are saying?  Because that is what these words mean.

And think careful before you give a kneejerk "yes."  It either does, in principle, or it does not.  It is a principle and not open for qualification.

Which means that you need to be okay with it when it's your "group" that is called upon to take it up the ass for the sake of someone else's end - or be exposed as a hypocrite of the most despicable order.

Oh yeah - you are already there.  The feminists decided that sacrificing you was a means justified by their end, and you don't seem too jiggy wid it....

I guess that means your answer would be "no" then, Garak, because it is far better for you to have just made a meaningless and invalid argument than a hypocritical one.
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2) MRA's have played nice and gotten very little accomplished.


False dilemma again.

Playing nice is a spectrum with all points between, and extreme points beyond the pale at each end.  It is most certainly NOT an either/or.

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I don't do things Bob's way either but I don't condemn him for being an angry man and speaking out about it.


Contrary to fact.  Bob does not stop at speaking his rage.  Bob advocates evil.





Whatever Gonz, half of this discussion has been about your chivalry.

I am a father and I don't show favortism to my daughter. I don't tell her she can have it all (that is a feminist lie) and I don't try to make her the son I never had.

I don't have the time to go read all of his blogs but this gang bang is frankly uncool and reflective of closed minded people who see ONLY one way to fight this war.

I have already said his methods are over the top but then isn't it normal to bargain down?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 28, 2008, 04:34 PM
Bob, you are the mirror image of a radfem. You could not create a better caracature of a a rad-masculist if you tried. I would not want to live in your vision of a world no more than I would want to live in a purely feminist world (which we are close to and I dislike immensely). Your view is extremist, sexist, and completely unsustainable as a culture.

I think the idea that we agree with you or we are feminist is a logical fallacy. There are many other thing to believe than you or feminism. In fact most people probably fit in between those two extremes.



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:35 PM
he can't answer my question 'cause he hasn't done his research into "BoB"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 28, 2008, 04:37 PM
Garak, go read it. Really, just go read it. You will not get through a single post, I think, before you realize that extremists are all the same. Just change the genders and Bob is a radfem.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:38 PM
just dont eat berfore you read it
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:39 PM

Garak, go read it. Really, just go read it. You will not get through a single post, I think, before you realize that extremists are all the same. Just change the genders and Bob is a radfem.


Yes, I already said he is a radical. You are saying he is a feminist troll?

Hell, if that is the case then why in the hell is everyone feeding the damn troll and only recently pretending that he is not what he seems?



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:44 PM
From Bob: http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2006/09/jonbenet-never-did-get-laid.html


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...sex almost never hurts any female regardless of circumstances and usually provides physical pleasure and emotional satisfaction. Even when taken by force she understands that a man has chosen her and risked his life perhaps for her female charms. She is likely going to brag about "my rapist" for years and years, because it's a story about how powerful and desirable she was as a female. Unfortunately for little JonBenet, according to the published reports her young c*nt was not large enough to accommodate the man's organ so he ended up cuming in her pants instead of in her c*nt...


6 years old.  And it's "unfortunate" that she wasn't able to have a grown man's penis shoved inside her.  At six. Fucking. Years. Old.

Evil enough for you?

Or is it just "chivalry" to not want a grown man to stick his cock in a six year old child, even if she is an "icky girl?"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:45 PM
there is a difference between radical and pure evil
radical: TPTM says he feels about as sorry for a feminist who gets raped as he does for a meth cook who has a batch blow up and burn his face
evil: any cunt deserves whatever she gets for stepping out of her place in the kitchen
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:45 PM
Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:46 PM
Ok, I am reading here:

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/families-fathers-and-daughters_23.html

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Fathers are the people who have traditional and historic responsibility for raising daughters. Many fathers are confused these days. Most of today's fathers have been raised all their lives by feminist indoctrinated mothers, feminist schoolmarms, and feminist propaganda media. Most of today's fathers are confused on their goals for their daughters, are confused on what a good father ought to be doing for is daughter.


I see no extremism here.

Later he talks about how feminism hurts daughters, I agree with this. Am I not reading in the right place?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 28, 2008, 04:46 PM
I do not remember Bob. I do not think he is a feminist troll, I think he is a male version of a radical feminist, hating and blaming the other gender for all real and percieved wrongs and wanting power over them. It is wrong when women do it, it is wrong when men do it.

I am not fighting this fight only to have it turn and bite me in the a$$. I fight for equality, not reverse oppression. I do not want to be 30 years down the road fighting for women's rights. We need to keep our eye on the ball, which is gaining equality. To do this we need to beat feminism while retaining men's integrity. Bob does not give a rats behind about men's integrity.

Read his site.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:48 PM

Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 


No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:48 PM
bob says some true things, but hitler helped germany's economy...............same difference
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:49 PM


Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 


No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?



he might be my nieghbour!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 04:50 PM

I do not remember Bob. I do not think he is a feminist troll, I think he is a male version of a radical feminist, hating and blaming the other gender for all real and percieved wrongs and wanting power over them. It is wrong when women do it, it is wrong when men do it.

I am not fighting this fight only to have it turn and bite me in the a$$. I fight for equality, not reverse oppression. I do not want to be 30 years down the road fighting for women's rights. We need to keep our eye on the ball, which is gaining equality. To do this we need to beat feminism while retaining men's integrity. Bob does not give a rats behind about men's integrity.

Read his site.


You oppose his radical beliefs because you think what he wants will become law?

Really, his radical views are the starting bargaining chip and more moderate views will be adopted but by starting at moderate and working down we end up with less than equality. Just like we always have.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 04:54 PM

Whatever Gonz, half of this discussion has been about your chivalry.


And I note you don't actually address a point - just shift your attack.

Read any Bob yet?  Or still speaking from willful ignorance?
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I am a father and I don't show favortism to my daughter. I don't tell her she can have it all (that is a feminist lie) and I don't try to make her the son I never had.


There's another display of ignorance - I do indeed have a son.

And my daughter can do all the things she can do because I expected it from her and never allowed her to get away with "but I'm just a girl" as an excuse for failure and half-assedness.  She had the same standards as my son.

My children are both college grads, one with a Master's degree, and one doing post grad work.  They can both survive in the wilderness.  They both live on their own, and they both are buying property - in their twenties.  They can both "change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly." (Bob Heinlein)

How'd you do with your kids?

Or more attacks from ignorance?

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I don't have the time to go read all of his blogs


Translation: I prefer to remain ignorant so I can remain bullheadedly contrary.

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but this gang bang is frankly uncool and reflective of closed minded people who see ONLY one way to fight this war.


Hmm.  But no way it could possibly be that all these people condemn him with reason, eh?

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I have already said his methods are over the top but then isn't it normal to bargain down?


Nossir.  The first step in brainstorming is to reject the ridiculous and outrageous out of hand, then discuss from the real solutions what might be effective and obtainable.  Otherwise you waste precious time considering the vapid and stupid.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 04:56 PM
there is radical and there is just wrong
and the wrong extremists serve their purpose but not if the  ones who believe in right dont denounce them themselves
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 04:57 PM
Garak

Are you really defending this guy or are you just not wanting to admit that you were wrong?

Are you ok with what he says about a 6 year old... do you think that's just being "radical"? Radical to who? Who do you think would be moved to agree with the MRA movement because some nut-job writes
about how sad it is a 6 year old cunt couldn't accommodate an adult man's cock?


Or are you just ok ignoring him saying things like that..(you say "I haven't read it") because anyone on your side is on your side?




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 28, 2008, 04:58 PM
Isn't that what the feminists claimed? That they were so far behind they needed extremism to get in the middle? How has that worked for you?

I am not willing to give him validity. Anyone who refers to all 'females' as 'cunts', who thinks that a woman who would like to go to college and get a job rather than get married and have kids at 14 are whores, and who honestly believe there is no such thing as rape is a dangerous extremist. Yes, I do think he would like to see these things as law. I do not think he feels this is a bargaining chip. You are giving him the benefit of doubt and I do not think he has earned it. He thinks asking someone to not make negative global generalizations is PC.  This tells me his perspective is so skewed he honestly thinks fairness is PC.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 04:59 PM
gonz the god!-lol
you see what i see
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:00 PM
I agree TBQ even the panthers and the NOI did not advocate genocide
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:00 PM
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And I note you don't actually address a point - just shift your attack.

Read any Bob yet?  Or still speaking from willful ignorance?


I am reading it now and have posted that so far I see nothing extreme.

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There's another display of ignorance - I do indeed have a son
.

The display of ignorace is on you, I was talking about ME, not you.

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And my daughter can do all the things she can do because I expected it from her and never allowed her to get away with "but I'm just a girl" as an excuse for failure and half-assedness.  She had the same standards as my son.


That's great Gonz, you have bought into the feminist BS that men and women are exactly the same except for the plumbing.


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Translation: I prefer to remain ignorant so I can remain bullheadedly contrary.


Fair enough, looking at it now. Apparently I am reading in the wrong spot though because I am not seeing anything so extreme as to justify this gang bang.

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Hmm.  But no way it could possibly be that all these people condemn him with reason, eh?


Well, if you think like a feminist then I guess that is reason to attack pro-family views.


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Nossir.  The first step in brainstorming is to reject the ridiculous and outrageous out of hand, then discuss from the real solutions what might be effective and obtainable.  Otherwise you waste precious time considering the vapid and stupid.


You just don't stop to think that his radical views, which won't be accepted by the masses, make your moderate views look more reasonable than they would without his radical view do you?



Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Jan 28, 2008, 05:01 PM
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:03 PM

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.


actually TBQ I'm not that disgusted by those views................I do think that once the law becomes oppressive to a certian extent, armed resistance to the police is an option
however I refuse to revel in somones death who was doing their job even if I was the triggerman
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:07 PM


Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 


No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?



so 'bobs" word doesn't mean a thing?

well how bout this then?Would you like your daughter called a whore or someones cunt?

i doubt it very much.......
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:07 PM
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Isn't that what the feminists claimed? That they were so far behind they needed extremism to get in the middle? How has that worked for you?


The real question is: HOW DID IT WORK FOR THEM?

Answer: It worked very very well.

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Yes, I do think he would like to see these things as law. I do not think he feels this is a bargaining chip.


That isn't what I asked. I asked if YOU were afraid these things would become law? It doesn't matter if he sees it as a bargaining chip or not. What matters is that it is! He set the bar so high that feminist-favoring people see moderate MRA views as more reasonable (and in that, more practical). Without the radicals to give example, WE ARE THE RADICALS. He is the line between us and them. I don't know how to make it any clearer.

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He thinks asking someone to not make negative global generalizations is PC


I can see how he would think that. Isn't it amazing that the marriage strike (which most of us endorse) is built upon the generalization that Western women cannot be trusted to not abuse the courts bias?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:09 PM



Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 


No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?



so 'bobs" word doesn't mean a thing?

well how bout this then?Would you like your daughter called a whore or someones cunt?

i doubt it very much.......


Well, did he directly call your daughter a whore?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:09 PM
Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:13 PM

Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast


Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:13 PM

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And I note you don't actually address a point - just shift your attack.

Read any Bob yet?  Or still speaking from willful ignorance?


I am reading it now and have posted that so far I see nothing extreme.


You have such a thing posted and cited and highlighted on page 16 of this thread.
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There's another display of ignorance - I do indeed have a son
.

The display of ignorace is on you, I was talking about ME, not you.


Do you have any children, at all?  There is your ignorance.

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And my daughter can do all the things she can do because I expected it from her and never allowed her to get away with "but I'm just a girl" as an excuse for failure and half-assedness.  She had the same standards as my son.


That's great Gonz, you have bought into the feminist BS that men and women are exactly the same except for the plumbing.


Pure and unadulterated codswallop.  Demonstrate for me, please, in syllogistic fashion, the logic of this conclusion.

Heh.  Didn't think so.
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Translation: I prefer to remain ignorant so I can remain bullheadedly contrary.


Fair enough, looking at it now. Apparently I am reading in the wrong spot though because I am not seeing anything so extreme as to justify this gang bang.


Page 16, this thread.

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Hmm.  But no way it could possibly be that all these people condemn him with reason, eh?


Well, if you think like a feminist then I guess that is reason to attack pro-family views.


Well, if being disturbed that your "pro-family" views include feeling sorry that a 6 year old's pussy couldn't accommodate a grown man's cock makes me feminist...

Guess I just missed the part where pedophilia was a family value.

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Nossir.  The first step in brainstorming is to reject the ridiculous and outrageous out of hand, then discuss from the real solutions what might be effective and obtainable.  Otherwise you waste precious time considering the vapid and stupid.


You just don't stop to think that his radical views, which won't be accepted by the masses, make your moderate views look more reasonable than they would without his radical view do you?


Certainly won't be held as radical if I don't point them out as such, now, will they?

I'm sure you are among the first to bitch when Feminists don't condemn Valarie Solanas.  Pardon the fuck out of me for being philosophically consistent.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:16 PM




Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?

 


No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?



so 'bobs" word doesn't mean a thing?

well how bout this then?Would you like your daughter called a whore or someones cunt?

i doubt it very much.......


Well, did he directly call your daughter a whore?


He called mine a feminist. 

So let's see - outdoors doesn't have room to bitch because jis daughter wasn't called a "whore" directly.  Yet when mine is accused of being a feminists - and a murderess waiting to perpetrate - I'm chivalrous for finding it offensive.

It's called "Moving the Goalposts" Garak.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:19 PM
as far as I'm concerned, if ted kennedy can have a car, the GOnzette is probably ok exersising her 2nd amendment rights
and Garak.........................hating and degrading for NO reason isnt radical, its just scummy
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:24 PM
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Do you have any children, at all?  There is your ignorance.


How can you call me ignorant when it is you who doesn't comprehend what has been said?

I HAVE A DAUGHTER TOO!!

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Pure and unadulterated codswallop.  Demonstrate for me, please, in syllogistic fashion, the logic of this conclusion.

Heh.  Didn't think so.


Too funny. You hit ENTER and then declare victory.

So, let's clarify. Men and Women are exactly the same (and should be taught exactly the same) except for the plumbing? Do you hold this view to be yours or not?

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Well, if being disturbed that your "pro-family" views include feeling sorry that a 6 year old's pussy couldn't accommodate a grown man's cock makes me feminist...

Guess I just missed the part where pedophilia was a family value.


Sorry, haven't gotten to that part yet. I am still trying to read about Families, Fathers and daughters at the link I gave earlier.


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Certainly won't be held as radical if I don't point them out as such, now, will they?

I'm sure you are among the first to bitch when Feminists don't condemn Valarie Solanas.  Pardon the fuck out of me for being philosophically consistent.


Point taken.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:25 PM

as far as I'm concerned, if ted kennedy can have a car, the GOnzette is probably ok exersising her 2nd amendment rights
and Garak.........................hating and degrading for NO reason isnt radical, its just scummy


For no reason Tony? Why are you here if you see no reason behind men getting angry?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:26 PM
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I'm chivalrous for finding it offensive.


In a word, yes. Is it not chivlary to defend a woman from criticism?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:28 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhh read my posts
I myself am angry
I, myself have advocated and armed paramilitary style MRA organization similar to the black panthers
I, myself have said that if a few feminazis got some lead poisoining curtosy of Mr Kalashnikov, it would send a good message
so dont talk to me about anger cuz I got plenty of it
but my anger does not change my belief in my libertariansim and my unitarianism
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:29 PM


http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.


actually TBQ I'm not that disgusted by those views................I do think that once the law becomes oppressive to a certian extent, armed resistance to the police is an option
however I refuse to revel in somones death who was doing their job even if I was the triggerman


The question is: Was the detective innocent?

When family judges get harrassed (or shot) we don't put up this much of a fight. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:29 PM

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I'm chivalrous for finding it offensive.


In a word, yes. Is it not chivlary to defend a woman from criticism?


Nossir.  It is chivalry to shield a woman from WARRANTED criticism on the basis of her gender.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:30 PM

uhhhhhhhhhhh read my posts
I myself am angry
I, myself have advocated and armed paramilitary style MRA organization similar to the black panthers
I, myself have said that if a few feminazis got some lead poisoining curtosy of Mr Kalashnikov, it would send a good message
so dont talk to me about anger cuz I got plenty of it
but my anger does not change my belief in my libertariansim and my unitarianism


Beliefs are beliefs, unless you fear the Bob's beliefs will become law...I don't understand your objections. Are you into thought control now?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:31 PM


Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast


Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?


i don't care if it does!
now you are inverting,answer the question
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:31 PM



http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.


actually TBQ I'm not that disgusted by those views................I do think that once the law becomes oppressive to a certian extent, armed resistance to the police is an option
however I refuse to revel in somones death who was doing their job even if I was the triggerman


The question is: Was the detective innocent?

When family judges get harrassed (or shot) we don't put up this much of a fight.  :drunken_smilie:


It is up to Bob, then, to demonstrate that this is warranted, as he is making the assertion that it was.  That is debate 101 at the high school level.

Bob manifestly does not.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:32 PM




http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.


actually TBQ I'm not that disgusted by those views................I do think that once the law becomes oppressive to a certian extent, armed resistance to the police is an option
however I refuse to revel in somones death who was doing their job even if I was the triggerman


The question is: Was the detective innocent?

When family judges get harrassed (or shot) we don't put up this much of a fight.  :drunken_smilie:


It is up to Bob, then, to demonstrate that this is warranted, as he is making the assertion that it was.  That is debate 101 at the high school level.

Bob manifestly does not.


If you challenge it then I guess it is up to you to show that it ISN'T warranted.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:32 PM



Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast


Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?


i don't care if it does!
now you are inverting,answer the question


What question would that be?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:33 PM
where did I say that it was wrong for that man to shoot the detective Garak
and just like bob has the right to say what he wants I have the right to say
IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SHIT HE DOES YOUR NOT A LIBERTARIAN YOU ARE A SICK ASSHOLE
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:34 PM

Garak

Are you really defending this guy or are you just not wanting to admit that you were wrong?



I think you nailed it, Devia.

Oh - and I disagree with Devia frequently Garak.  Remember?  Or do you want me to do your homework for you here, too?

Or when a woman says the sky is blue to I have to take a contrarian position lest I be accused of "chivalry?"
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:35 PM

where did I say that it was wrong for that man to shoot the detective Garak
and just like bob has the right to say what he wants I have the right to say
IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SHIT HE DOES YOUR NOT A LIBERTARIAN YOU ARE A SICK ASSHOLE


I never put words in your mouth Tony, I asked if you thought the man was innocent.

It is a given that DV laws are biased and it is also a given that those who enforce those laws are biased. Another given is that DV laws and the biases ruin many innocent mens lives.

What has to be examined is if this detective was innocent or if was like all the other "enforcers" of biased laws?

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:36 PM




Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast


Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?


i don't care if it does!
now you are inverting,answer the question


What question would that be?


the same one you have been avoiding-do you want your daughter to be someones cunt---or just a whore?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:36 PM





http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2008/01/dv-pig-gets-his.html

A police detective apparently deserved getting shot and killed because he was working on DV cases.


actually TBQ I'm not that disgusted by those views................I do think that once the law becomes oppressive to a certian extent, armed resistance to the police is an option
however I refuse to revel in somones death who was doing their job even if I was the triggerman


The question is: Was the detective innocent?

When family judges get harrassed (or shot) we don't put up this much of a fight.  :drunken_smilie:


It is up to Bob, then, to demonstrate that this is warranted, as he is making the assertion that it was.  That is debate 101 at the high school level.

Bob manifestly does not.


If you challenge it then I guess it is up to you to show that it ISN'T warranted.


Where in the above words do I make such a challenge, sirrah?  I observe.

And my observation is correct.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:37 PM


Garak

Are you really defending this guy or are you just not wanting to admit that you were wrong?



I think you nailed it, Devia.

Oh - and I disagree with Devia frequently Garak.  Remember?  Or do you want me to do your homework for you here, too?

Or when a woman says the sky is blue to I have to take a contrarian position lest I be accused of "chivalry?"


Everyone disagrees with Devia most of the time. This time, she is your ally. Strange bed fellows but I really don't care about her reputation right now...or yours.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:38 PM


where did I say that it was wrong for that man to shoot the detective Garak
and just like bob has the right to say what he wants I have the right to say
IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SHIT HE DOES YOUR NOT A LIBERTARIAN YOU ARE A SICK ASSHOLE


I never put words in your mouth Tony, I asked if you thought the man was innocent.

It is a given that DV laws are biased and it is also a given that those who enforce those laws are biased. Another given is that DV laws and the biases ruin many innocent mens lives.

What has to be examined is if this detective was innocent or if was like all the other "enforcers" of biased laws?




look sometimes a fight involves taking of life
I am not opposed to that
I am not a particularly big defender of law enforcement
the guy might have had it coming, maybe not
its a shame it had to come to killing either way
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:39 PM
I am open, however, to being convinced that this particular detective deserved what he got due to specific personal actions that were a result of dereliction of duty, or abuse of his position.

Pray enlighten me.

You may proceed.

EDIT:  Please include sources, documentation, links and cites.  You demanded it earlier.  It would be hypocritical of you to not provide it.

Edit in advance:  Yeah.  Didn't think so.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:40 PM





Garak! I am losing respect for ya!   fast


Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?


i don't care if it does!
now you are inverting,answer the question


What question would that be?


the same one you have been avoiding-do you want your daughter to be someones cunt---or just a whore?


Avoiding? Right, you just need to read. That was answered on page 15.

Here it is again.

Quote
No, since Bob isn't raising your daughter then what's the problem?

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:41 PM
I wouldnt personally try to convince you of that Gonz, but I do however think that when the law becomes the enemy of freedom, use of force agisnt those who enforce it is if not right, then justified
not every private in the wermacht deserved killing, most were just boys, but I wont condemn the red army or allies for it
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:43 PM

I am open, however, to being convinced that this particular detective deserved what he got due to specific personal actions that were a result of dereliction of duty, or abuse of his position.

Pray enlighten me.

You may proceed.

EDIT:  Please include sources, documentation, links and cites.  You demanded it earlier.  It would be hypocritical of you to not provide it.

Edit in advance:  Yeah.  Didn't think so.


I am not arguing for or against this detectives death. I am simply asking if he was innocent or not. I have no idea but I won't dismiss it as the rantings of a madman.

Without biased enforcers, there would alot fewer men who have had their lives ruined by the biased laws and courts. He could be as guilty as the family court judge who issues a restraining order without evidence.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:44 PM

I wouldnt personally try to convince you of that Gonz, but I do however think that when the law becomes the enemy of freedom, use of force agisnt those who enforce it is if not right, then justified
not every private in the wermacht deserved killing, most were just boys, but I wont condemn the red army or allies for it


I do too, but assassinating someone while they sit in a car requires a high level of evidence indeed.  Acts of war are apples and oranges compared to that.

I can be convinced - but thus far all Bob offers is that he is a "blue gun thug" and thus deserves death.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:45 PM
soo... as long as it wasn't YOUR daughter thats ok?which was what the question was --YOUR daughter-not mine

I find it hard to believe that you would refer your own daughter as a whore or whatsisnames  cunt
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:48 PM

I am not arguing for or against this detectives death. I am simply asking if he was innocent or not. I have no idea but I won't dismiss it as the rantings of a madman.


I ask it too.  Bob said he deserved to die.

Still waiting - him, you, I don't care - teach me.

Hmmmm - notice your hero is letting your ass twist in the wind here, Garak.

Quote
Without biased enforcers, there would alot fewer men who have had their lives ruined by the biased laws and courts. He could be as guilty as the family court judge who issues a restraining order without evidence.


Could be innocent too.  I'm awaiting Bob's proof for his positivist statement that he deserved death.

I mean - if I just accepted it without proof, I'd be a kool-aid drinker, Garak.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:50 PM


I wouldnt personally try to convince you of that Gonz, but I do however think that when the law becomes the enemy of freedom, use of force agisnt those who enforce it is if not right, then justified
not every private in the wermacht deserved killing, most were just boys, but I wont condemn the red army or allies for it


I do too, but assassinating someone while they sit in a car requires a high level of evidence indeed.  Acts of war are apples and oranges compared to that.

I can be convinced - but thus far all Bob offers is that he is a "blue gun thug" and thus deserves death.


good point the wermacht comparison was not well thought out
and I dont think that every cop is a "blue gun thug"
on the other hand, I am reluctant to judge someone as a "cop killer" etc because I know sometimes some guys feel like they aint got nothin left to lose and nothing worth gaining
and even if the killing was justified in a larger context, I still would condemn celebrating  the death of someone who was doing their job
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:52 PM

soo... as long as it wasn't YOUR daughter thats ok?which was what the question was --YOUR daughter-not mine

I find it hard to believe that you would refer your own daughter as a whore or whatsisnames  cunt


I asked if he directly called your daughter a whore for a reason. I wanted to know if it was a general statement or if I missed the part where he called your daughter a whore.

Further, if he had directly called my daughter a whore, I would have likely dismissed it on the grounds that Bob does not know my daughter and can't make an accurate assessment.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:53 PM



I wouldnt personally try to convince you of that Gonz, but I do however think that when the law becomes the enemy of freedom, use of force agisnt those who enforce it is if not right, then justified
not every private in the wermacht deserved killing, most were just boys, but I wont condemn the red army or allies for it


I do too, but assassinating someone while they sit in a car requires a high level of evidence indeed.  Acts of war are apples and oranges compared to that.

I can be convinced - but thus far all Bob offers is that he is a "blue gun thug" and thus deserves death.


good point the wermacht comparison was not well thought out
and I dont think that every cop is a "blue gun thug"
on the other hand, I am reluctant to judge someone as a "cop killer" etc because I know sometimes some guys feel like they aint got nothin left to lose and nothing worth gaining
and even if the killing was justified in a larger context, I still would condemn celebrating  the death of someone who was doing their job



I get what you are saying Tony but let's take it a little further. If the person killed doing their job was an enemy soldier....would you see it differently? I certainly would, you can't win a war feeling sorry for the other side.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:54 PM



I wouldnt personally try to convince you of that Gonz, but I do however think that when the law becomes the enemy of freedom, use of force agisnt those who enforce it is if not right, then justified
not every private in the wermacht deserved killing, most were just boys, but I wont condemn the red army or allies for it


I do too, but assassinating someone while they sit in a car requires a high level of evidence indeed.  Acts of war are apples and oranges compared to that.

I can be convinced - but thus far all Bob offers is that he is a "blue gun thug" and thus deserves death.


good point the wermacht comparison was not well thought out
and I dont think that every cop is a "blue gun thug"
on the other hand, I am reluctant to judge someone as a "cop killer" etc because I know sometimes some guys feel like they aint got nothin left to lose and nothing worth gaining
and even if the killing was justified in a larger context, I still would condemn celebrating  the death of someone who was doing their job


BTW, though - Bob claimed earlier in ths thread he didn't advocate assaulting police.

This means Bob is a liar.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 05:55 PM


I am not arguing for or against this detectives death. I am simply asking if he was innocent or not. I have no idea but I won't dismiss it as the rantings of a madman.


I ask it too.  Bob said he deserved to die.

Still waiting - him, you, I don't care - teach me.

Hmmmm - notice your hero is letting your ass twist in the wind here, Garak.

Quote
Without biased enforcers, there would alot fewer men who have had their lives ruined by the biased laws and courts. He could be as guilty as the family court judge who issues a restraining order without evidence.


Could be innocent too.  I'm awaiting Bob's proof for his positivist statement that he deserved death.

I mean - if I just accepted it without proof, I'd be a kool-aid drinker, Garak.


My hero? Yeah right, defending a mans rights to have beliefs without being gang banged doesn't make that man my hero.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 05:55 PM
I wouldnt feel differently..............................I dont feel sorry for the cop or think he deserved to die
he signed up to enforce laws
some just
some unjust
he got killed
shit happens
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:55 PM


soo... as long as it wasn't YOUR daughter thats ok?which was what the question was --YOUR daughter-not mine

I find it hard to believe that you would refer your own daughter as a whore or whatsisnames  cunt


I asked if he directly called your daughter a whore for a reason. I wanted to know if it was a general statement or if I missed the part where he called your daughter a whore.

Further, if he had directly called my daughter a whore, I would have likely dismissed it on the grounds that Bob does not know my daughter and can't make an accurate assessment.


This means in addition to being a liar, Bob is full of shit.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 05:56 PM


soo... as long as it wasn't YOUR daughter thats ok?which was what the question was --YOUR daughter-not mine

I find it hard to believe that you would refer your own daughter as a whore or whatsisnames  cunt


I asked if he directly called your daughter a whore for a reason. I wanted to know if it was a general statement or if I missed the part where he called your daughter a whore.

Further, if he had directly called my daughter a whore, I would have likely dismissed it on the grounds that Bob does not know my daughter and can't make an accurate assessment.




go read his stuff,and you decide!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 05:57 PM


My hero? Yeah right, defending a mans rights to have beliefs without being gang banged doesn't make that man my hero.


D'awwwwwwwwwwww!  Does iddle Bobbiekins need big, stwong Garak to defend hims?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 05:58 PM
Garak

Considering the two choices Bob makes for your daughter what you rather she be?

A wife to a man you've chosen for her between 14-17. Or an educated whore? (there are only two types of women remember)

So you have a daughter... which will you choose for her? You've done a lot of grandstanding here.. I'd like to know where your real views are.

As for strange bedfellows I wouldn't be on this board if there were not people who I respected, even when we almost always disagree.  The world is not as black and white as you see it.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 06:02 PM
devia..................why yo ass aint on the stroll?????????????????????
ya better start gettin purty fo the johns or TPTM gon have to put his pimp hand down :toothy9:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:04 PM

Garak

Considering the two choices Bob makes for your daughter what you rather she be?

A wife to a man you've chosen for her between 14-17. Or an educated whore? (there are only two types of women remember)

So you have a daughter... which will you choose for her? You've done a lot of grandstanding here.. I'd like to know where your real views are.










My real views are that family is the backbone of any nation and feminism has destroyed it.

I have never been a fan of arranged marriages so I don't advocate that at all.

I do advocate teaching a strong sense of family to our daughters or this nation will continue it's downward spiral.

Women have many more choices than men do in all walks of life, from education to career to family life. Men are left with one choice....get an education and a career good enough to support a family....a family that you will likely pay for but not benefit from.

Teaching our daughters the value of family will reward men by teaching women that fathers and husbands are just as important as mothers and wives are.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 06:05 PM
Dude I think I'm too old to be a whore....

I am a wife, but I also work and have an education...

It's all so confusing.. where is my place as a cunt????
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 06:06 PM
whaddya talkin about too old to be hoein
prostitutiion is the only solution
aint no thing but a chicken wing
the older the berry the sweeter the juice
once you go grey thats where you gonna stay :greener:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:07 PM

Dude I think I'm too old to be a whore....

I am a wife, but I also work and have an education...

It's all so confusing.. where is my place as a cunt????


I didn't call you a cunt or a whore, don't pretend I did.

You asked for my views, I gave them and when you could find nothing to criticize...you resorted to this.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 06:07 PM
garak,

So you're defending him why???? You are defending a guy who feels sorry for a murdered 6 year old because her cunt was too small.
Is this the kind of guy you want people to see as a MRA?




Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:07 PM


Women have many more choices than men do in all walks of life, from education to career to family life. Men are left with one choice....get an education and a career good enough to support a family....a family that you will likely pay for but not benefit from.

Teaching our daughters the value of family will reward men by teaching women that fathers and husbands are just as important as mothers and wives are.



Feminists knocked down men to advance women.

So what would you do?  Be like them?  Not add any choices to men, but take them away from women?  That's the sad, pathetic, loser philosophy of bitter old feminists - and Bob.

Fuck that.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:09 PM

garak,

So you're defending him why???? You are defending a guy who feels sorry for a murdered 6 year old because her cunt was too small.
Is this the kind of guy you want people to see as a MRA?







I am not defending his views as much as I am defending his right to have them. I have also pointed out that his views make everyones elses look better.

He is a benefit in a strange sort of way and if you doubt that...just look at how well feminism worked using the same method?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:09 PM


Dude I think I'm too old to be a whore....

I am a wife, but I also work and have an education...

It's all so confusing.. where is my place as a cunt????


I didn't call you a cunt or a whore, don't pretend I did.

You asked for my views, I gave them and when you could find nothing to criticize...you resorted to this.


You don't condemn Bob.  Therefore you defend him.

It is the same standard we use against feminists and their silence on Valerie Solanas, Dworkin, et al.  And it is a right, just, and fair - and Manly - standard.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 06:10 PM


Garak

Considering the two choices Bob makes for your daughter what you rather she be?

A wife to a man you've chosen for her between 14-17. Or an educated whore? (there are only two types of women remember)

So you have a daughter... which will you choose for her? You've done a lot of grandstanding here.. I'd like to know where your real views are.










My real views are that family is the backbone of any nation and feminism has destroyed it.

I have never been a fan of arranged marriages so I don't advocate that at all.

I do advocate teaching a strong sense of family to our daughters or this nation will continue it's downward spiral.

Women have many more choices than men do in all walks of life, from education to career to family life. Men are left with one choice....get an education and a career good enough to support a family....a family that you will likely pay for but not benefit from.

Teaching our daughters the value of family will reward men by teaching women that fathers and husbands are just as important as mothers and wives are.




you mean whores and owned cunts don't ya?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:11 PM



Women have many more choices than men do in all walks of life, from education to career to family life. Men are left with one choice....get an education and a career good enough to support a family....a family that you will likely pay for but not benefit from.

Teaching our daughters the value of family will reward men by teaching women that fathers and husbands are just as important as mothers and wives are.



Feminists knocked down men to advance women.

So what would you do?  Be like them?  Not add any choices to men, but take them away from women?  That's the sad, pathetic, loser philosophy of bitter old feminists - and Bob.

Fuck that.


That loser philosophy has been kicking mens asses for 40 years, I hardly thinking it is a losing philosophy.

Fighting fire with fire is what we are talking about. So far fighting fire with water has failed.

Do you think that radicalism has any benefit to the MRM?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 06:11 PM

garak,

So you're defending him why???? You are defending a guy who feels sorry for a murdered 6 year old because her cunt was too small.
Is this the kind of guy you want people to see as a MRA?







da place of da cunt is to be on that cash hunt
a ho without instruction be headed fo self destruction******TPTM now puts on his platform shoes with the goldfish aquariums in them*********
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:11 PM

I am not defending his views as much as I am defending his right to have them. I have also pointed out that his views make everyones elses look better.


You're changing your story on consecutive pages.  Really.  We can click on "back."

Quote
He is a benefit in a strange sort of way and if you doubt that...just look at how well feminism worked using the same method?


There's that "end justifies the means" again.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:12 PM



Garak

Considering the two choices Bob makes for your daughter what you rather she be?

A wife to a man you've chosen for her between 14-17. Or an educated whore? (there are only two types of women remember)

So you have a daughter... which will you choose for her? You've done a lot of grandstanding here.. I'd like to know where your real views are.










My real views are that family is the backbone of any nation and feminism has destroyed it.

I have never been a fan of arranged marriages so I don't advocate that at all.

I do advocate teaching a strong sense of family to our daughters or this nation will continue it's downward spiral.

Women have many more choices than men do in all walks of life, from education to career to family life. Men are left with one choice....get an education and a career good enough to support a family....a family that you will likely pay for but not benefit from.

Teaching our daughters the value of family will reward men by teaching women that fathers and husbands are just as important as mothers and wives are.




you mean whores and owned cunts don't ya?


If you don't see that the family is the backbone of society then what else is to be said?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:13 PM


I am not defending his views as much as I am defending his right to have them. I have also pointed out that his views make everyones elses look better.


You're changing your story on consecutive pages.  Really.  We can click on "back."

Quote
He is a benefit in a strange sort of way and if you doubt that...just look at how well feminism worked using the same method?


There's that "end justifies the means" again.


You tell me I am changing my story then you point out a consistency.  :laughing6:
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:14 PM



Dude I think I'm too old to be a whore....

I am a wife, but I also work and have an education...

It's all so confusing.. where is my place as a cunt????


I didn't call you a cunt or a whore, don't pretend I did.

You asked for my views, I gave them and when you could find nothing to criticize...you resorted to this.


You don't condemn Bob.  Therefore you defend him.

It is the same standard we use against feminists and their silence on Valerie Solanas, Dworkin, et al.  And it is a right, just, and fair - and Manly - standard.


Fine, if you want to take the "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists" approach, so be it.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 06:15 PM
Garak

I know you didn't call me a cunt or a whore.. and I don't think you're a bad guy, I just think you feel in the corner and you're fighting back without acknowledging the facts. From what I know of you I don't think you're the type of person who thinks that women should be considered to be subhuman.

The guy your defending does consider me a whore by proxy. Actually I'd be like whore times 10 with the way he thinks.  I do think you don't want to admit there are people like Bob out there. Yes there are Bob's in the world... but they are vastly outnumbered by rational thinking people.


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:16 PM

That loser philosophy has been kicking mens asses for 40 years, I hardly thinking it is a losing philosophy.


Nossir.  Black and white thinking of "unless you roll over and take it you are attacking women" has done it. 

Going to the other extreme is no answer, and that false dilemma is sloppy, feminized thinking.

Quote
Fighting fire with fire is what we are talking about. So far fighting fire with water has failed.


Contrary to fact.  We have had many successes.  Resistance has been shown to be successful without stooping to feminist depravity.

Quote
Do you think that radicalism has any benefit to the MRM?


Begging the question - you are using as a premise that "Bob's" brand of radicalism is the only viable one.

False dilemma, contrary to fact, and begging the question.

Logic is soooooooo patriarchal.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:17 PM

Garak

I know you didn't call me a cunt or a whore.. and I don't think you're a bad guy, I just think you feel in the corner and you're fighting back without acknowledging the facts. From what I know of you I don't think you're the type of person who thinks that women should be considered to be subhuman.

The guy your defending does consider me a whore by proxy. Actually I'd be like whore times 10 with the way he thinks.  I do think you don't want to admit there are people like Bob out there. Yes there are Bob's in the world... but they are vastly outnumbered by rational thinking people.





I know there are radicals out there and as you point out...they are vastly outnumbered. I don't see Bob as a threat. Rather I see Bob as an angry man (like most of us are) who has radical ideas that makes most MRA's look better...not worse.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:18 PM



I am not defending his views as much as I am defending his right to have them. I have also pointed out that his views make everyones elses look better.


You're changing your story on consecutive pages.  Really.  We can click on "back."

Quote
He is a benefit in a strange sort of way and if you doubt that...just look at how well feminism worked using the same method?


There's that "end justifies the means" again.


You tell me I am changing my story then you point out a consistency.  :laughing6:


Well, consistently hypocritical.

How feminist of you.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:20 PM




Dude I think I'm too old to be a whore....

I am a wife, but I also work and have an education...

It's all so confusing.. where is my place as a cunt????


I didn't call you a cunt or a whore, don't pretend I did.

You asked for my views, I gave them and when you could find nothing to criticize...you resorted to this.


You don't condemn Bob.  Therefore you defend him.

It is the same standard we use against feminists and their silence on Valerie Solanas, Dworkin, et al.  And it is a right, just, and fair - and Manly - standard.


Fine, if you want to take the "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists" approach, so be it.


Bob called all women who aren't wives whores, and pretty much calls all women life support system for cunts.  It's in black and white.

Approve?  Or condemn?  It's pretty clear cut, Garak.  He doesn't leave any room for you to equivocate.

I support his right to have his vies.

I condemn his views.

See how easy it is?

Your turn.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 06:22 PM

I know there are radicals out there and as you point out...they are vastly outnumbered. I don't see Bob as a threat. Rather I see Bob as an angry man (like most of us are) who has radical ideas that makes most MRA's look better...not worse.


Mainstream men's activism looks better if, and only if, they condemn such things.

You argue against that here.

How does this add up?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 06:23 PM
I cant believe that this thread wont die
here is a picture of me back when I was 6 years old with a certian canuckistani and her wife in law :laughing6:
(http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0023/hoberman.jpg)
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:23 PM
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Nossir.  Black and white thinking of "unless you roll over and take it you are attacking women" has done it.  

Going to the other extreme is no answer, and that false dilemma is sloppy, feminized thinking.


Whatever but many people here agree that playing nice is not the answer. Going to the other extreme is not what moderates do but it is what radicals do. So be it, it is the nature of the beast and I would rather have radicals than censored people.

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Contrary to fact.  We have had many successes.  Resistance has been shown to be successful without stooping to feminist depravity.


We have had many successes but no one will claim that we are close to having full equality. Radicals are usually people who have run out of patience.

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Begging the question - you are using as a premise that "Bob's" brand of radicalism is the only viable one.


I never said nor implied that and you didn't answer the question.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:24 PM


I know there are radicals out there and as you point out...they are vastly outnumbered. I don't see Bob as a threat. Rather I see Bob as an angry man (like most of us are) who has radical ideas that makes most MRA's look better...not worse.


Mainstream men's activism looks better if, and only if, they condemn such things.

You argue against that here.

How does this add up?


You already said this and my response was: Point taken.

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Garak on Jan 28, 2008, 06:26 PM

I cant believe that this thread wont die
here is a picture of me back when I was 6 years old with a certian canuckistani and her wife in law :laughing6:



Yes, it should die. We have come full circle.

I now think the gang bang was justified on the grounds of free speech. Bob has a right to his radical views and everyone here has a right to their views as well.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: outdoors on Jan 28, 2008, 06:36 PM
whore or someones cunt? what will you pick for your daughter?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: CG9603 on Jan 28, 2008, 06:45 PM

I cant believe that this thread wont die
here is a picture of me back when I was 6 years old with a certian canuckistani and her wife in law :laughing6:
(http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0023/hoberman.jpg)


Tony: the picture just is incomplete without you riding in the diamond encrusted humongous 1975 Cadillac Eldorado (you know, the one that had a trunk large enough you could hide a spare Honda in case you had a collision).  You need the diamond tipped walking stick too.  lol :greener:

Besides that, it all looks good. 
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 06:53 PM


And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.


Is that a death threat, Gonzman? 


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Your behavior is rank, gutless and cowardly.
We have a word for people like that.  Nithing.


Might as well put in a few ad-hominem insults to go with the death threat, Gonzman.  Typical

Remainder of insults deleted.

Blessings

Bob

Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 06:56 PM

Ok for the last time-Do you think my daughter deserves to be someones cunt?Or a whore because she will be her-self and make her own decisions?


Whatever your daughter chooses for her life is up to her.  I've known good females who have chosen to be whatever.   I once knew a retired LA Madam who had a wonderful personality, for example.

I do hope you will encourage your daughter not to choose to be a men hating feminist. 

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 06:59 PM

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I'm chivalrous for finding it offensive.


In a word, yes. Is it not chivlary to defend a woman from criticism?


Chivalry should have ended.   I get tired of men pretending that their daughters are somehow sacred.   Let's face it, daughters are much the same as their mothers. 

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 07:01 PM

where did I say that it was wrong for that man to shoot the detective Garak
and just like bob has the right to say what he wants I have the right to say
IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE SHIT HE DOES YOUR NOT A LIBERTARIAN YOU ARE A SICK ASSHOLE


There are some really sick people on Stand Your Ground.  You got that part right.

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 07:05 PM

the same one you have been avoiding-do you want your daughter to be someones cunt---or just a whore?



If you read The World According to Bob, fathers would be advised to encourage your daughter to become a good wife instad a whore. 

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 07:05 PM
<<<And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.>>>

>>>Is that a death threat, Gonzman? <<<<

I'd say it's not, unless you're a fascist and his grandfather was around. That's in question for me because of your comments about the South American diamond mines. You'll have to clarify.






Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 07:07 PM
<<<I cant believe that this thread wont die
here is a picture of me back when I was 6 years old with a certian canuckistani and her wife in law>>>

i told you not to post those pics!!!!!!!!!!..
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 07:09 PM


Feminists knocked down men to advance women.

So what would you do?  Be like them?  Not add any choices to men, but take them away from women?  That's the sad, pathetic, loser philosophy of bitter old feminists - and Bob.

Fuck that.



You are projecting again.  You've been defending females and attacking real men all day.  That sounds like a feminist.

Blessings

Bob
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Bobx23456 on Jan 28, 2008, 07:11 PM

Mainstream men's activism looks better if, and only if, they condemn such things.

You argue against that here.

How does this add up?



For the past century and a half so-called "mainstream" or should we say milquetoast men's actavism has gotten exacltly nowhere but to encourage more feminist control and domination.   Glad to know where you are coming from.

Blesisngs

Bob


Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: devia on Jan 28, 2008, 07:15 PM
This thread reminds me of a movie we we watched "This is England".
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 07:19 PM

<<<I cant believe that this thread wont die
here is a picture of me back when I was 6 years old with a certian canuckistani and her wife in law>>>

i told you not to post those pics!!!!!!!!!!..


sorry baby girl, but I gots to teach you a lesson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 07:20 PM



And My grandfather and great uncles established a long family tradition of killing fascists.


Is that a death threat, Gonzman? 


You pointed out how your ancestors fought in WWI.

Why would you take it as a threat?  You a fascist?

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Your behavior is rank, gutless and cowardly.
We have a word for people like that.  Nithing.


Might as well put in a few ad-hominem insults to go with the death threat, Gonzman.  Typical

Remainder of insults deleted.


Shoe fits.  Wear it.

Or man up.

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Blessings

Bob



I'll pass on blessings from agents of Satan.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 07:21 PM



Feminists knocked down men to advance women.

So what would you do?  Be like them?  Not add any choices to men, but take them away from women?  That's the sad, pathetic, loser philosophy of bitter old feminists - and Bob.

Fuck that.



You are projecting again.  You've been defending females and attacking real men all day.  That sounds like a feminist.

Blessings

Bob



You?  A man?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 07:24 PM


Mainstream men's activism looks better if, and only if, they condemn such things.

You argue against that here.

How does this add up?



For the past century and a half so-called "mainstream" or should we say milquetoast men's actavism has gotten exacltly nowhere but to encourage more feminist control and domination.   Glad to know where you are coming from.

Blesisngs

Bob


My acheivements are legion.  I have real men, with their kids and property who thank me.  I have men who I have pulled back from killing themselves.  I have risked my property and freedom for it.  I have lost a small fortune doing it.

You?

Oh yeah - you babble on teh interwebz.

Isn't that cute?
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: The Gonzman on Jan 28, 2008, 07:27 PM


the same one you have been avoiding-do you want your daughter to be someones cunt---or just a whore?


If you read The World According to Bob, fathers would be advised to encourage your daughter to become a good wife instad a whore. 

Blessings

Bob


Because if you train her to be anything but a dependent parasite fit only for a weak man, she's a whore.

Bob says so.
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Jan 28, 2008, 07:29 PM
I dont have a daughter but I would think that it would be proper to teach her their is honor in bieng a hosuewife and no shame, but likewise in choosing a career
Title: Re: excellent comeback!
Post by: dr e on Jan 28, 2008, 07:35 PM
I think this thread has run its course.  Thread closed.