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Title: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Virtue on May 08, 2009, 12:33 PM
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Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free

Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:03 PM

By: Dave Eberhart    Article Font Size 

According to a new study released by the Mercatus Center of George Mason University, some of the most liberal U.S. states rank lowest when it comes to personal freedom.

The study, which calls itself the "first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres," made a host of findings:

# The freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending -- and middling levels of regulation and paternalism.

# New York is the least overall free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland.

Unfortunately, say the report authors, these freedom-disadvantaged states "make up a substantial portion of the total American population. Moreover, these bottom five states have considerable ground to make up even to move off this ignoble list, let alone into a creditable position in the rankings."

# When weighing personal freedom alone, Alaska is the clear winner, while Maryland brings up the rear.

Sarah Palin's Alaska does extremely well on personal freedom, conclude study authors. Reasons for its high personal freedom alone score include: fully legalized possession of small amounts of marijuana (accomplished through a court ruling), the best (least restrictive) gun laws in the country, recognition of same-sex domestic partnerships, and possibly the best homeschooling laws in the country.

# As for freedom in the different regions of the country, the Mountain and West North Central regions are the freest overall -- while the Middle Atlantic lags far behind on both economic and personal freedom.

There are real benefits to scoring high on economic and personal freedoms, conclude the study's authors. Their analysis demonstrated that states enjoying more economic and personal freedom tend to attract substantially higher rates of internal net migration.

The Problem with Being Liberal

According to the study, previous research has shown that, as of 2006, Alabama and Mississippi were the most conservative states in the country, while New York and New Jersey were the most liberal. In the index put forth by the new study, Alabama and Mississippi fall in the middle, while New York and New Jersey are at the bottom.

"The problem is that the cultural values of liberal governments seem on balance to require more regulation of individual behavior than do the cultural values of conservative governments," say the study's authors. "While liberal states are freer than conservative states on marijuana and same-sex partnership policies, when it comes to gun owners, home schoolers, motorists, or smokers, liberal states are nanny states, while conservative states are more tolerant."

Some Individual State Profiles

# Illinois is one of the worst states to live in from a personal freedom perspective (#49). On economic freedom it is in the middle of the pack (#29). Illinois has the fourth harshest gun control laws in the country, after California, Maryland, and New York, and the state's victimless crimes arrest rates are almost unfathomable: In 2006, more than 2 percent of the state's population was arrested for a victimless crime (and that figure does not count under-18s). Nearly one-third of all arrests were for victimless crimes.

# Texas (#7 economic, #5 personal, #5 overall) has one of the smallest state governments in the country. As a percentage of corrected GSP, Texas has the second lowest tax burden in the country and the third lowest grants-adjusted government spending. However, government employment is a standard deviation higher than the national average. Gun control is better than average, but the state falls short on open-carry laws, stricter-than-federal minimum age for purchase rules, and dealer licensing.

Alcohol is less regulated than in most other states, and taxes are low. Low-level marijuana cultivation is a misdemeanor, but otherwise marijuana laws are very harsh.

# Colorado, the #2 state, achieved its ranking through excellent fiscal numbers and above-average numbers on regulation and paternalism. The state is the most fiscally decentralized in the country, with localities raising fully 44.5 percent of all state and local expenditures. By percentage of adjusted GSP, Colorado has the third lowest tax burden in the country, surpassed only by Tennessee and Texas. It has resisted the temptation of "sin taxes," with low rates on beer, wine, spirits, and cigarettes. On the other hand, Colorado's smoking bans are among the most extreme in the country, with no exceptions or local option for any locations other than workplaces. Colorado is 1 of 12 states to have decriminalized low-level marijuana possession.

# Oregon (#36 economic, #7 personal, #27 overall) is the freest Pacific state. Oddly, government spending is high but taxes are low, resulting in rather high state debt. Public safety and administration look particularly ripe for cutting. Gun control laws are

about average. Marijuana possession is decriminalized below a certain level, and there is medical marijuana (cultivation and sale are felonies, though). Oregon is one of the few states to refuse to authorize sobriety checkpoints. Oregon is the only state to permit physician-assisted suicide. Private and home school regulations are quite reasonable. State land use planning is far advanced. The minimum wage is the highest in the country when adjusted for average wages.

The study touts that it improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom for American states in three primary ways: (1) it includes measures of social and personal freedoms such as peaceable citizens' rights to educate their own children, own and carry firearms, and be free from unreasonable search and seizure; (2) it includes far more variables, even on economic policies alone, than prior studies, and there are no missing data on any variable; and (3) it uses new, more accurate measurements of key variables, particularly state fiscal policies.

"We develop and justify our ratings and aggregation procedure on explicitly normative criteria, defining individual freedom as the ability to dispose of one's own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on another individual's ability to do the same," note the authors.


Anyone surprised?
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: The Gonzman on May 08, 2009, 02:06 PM
Not me.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Mr. X on May 08, 2009, 03:31 PM
Not me either. Also I bet this pans out for cities... the most liberal are the least free and the least efficient. Look at Chicago, New York, LA, San Fran.... all bloated, horribly run cities with high taxes, huge entitlement programs and flat broke. Plus cameras in the streets and huge invasion of privacy. On top of that loads of special laws for protecting special class that essentially create two different types of citizens.

If liberalism works how come California which creates so much wealth is so flat broke. Same with chicago and New York.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: SIAM on May 09, 2009, 01:53 AM
No surprise.  What did they expect when there's more red-tape to underpin their affirmative action programs, "sensitivity" training etc? Instead of being competitive and productive, they're more interested in shoe-horning ideologies into commerce instead of simple golden rules like : equality of opportunity - may the best man or woman win.  But no, there has to be a complex system based on a victimhood hierarchy that preoccupies and distracts all that work under it.  And all the while, businesses stuck in such a quagmire get less and less competitive.   
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: poiuyt on May 09, 2009, 01:57 AM
Why stop the analysis with only north american states ?

The conclusions hold true for every single state or nation on earth that tries or tried creating a two class society of full citizens and total un-persons.

Unless all and sundry are obligated to earn their bread and status from work alone; unless special intrests, special victims and specially entitled parasite classes aren't prohibited; unless everyone including the government itself, holds citizenship on an identical footing and staus, then of course the society is going to be and grow increasingly unfree.

Trouble is, wicked people hate freedom and are prepared to endure a degree of un-freedom themselves, if it opportunes them to usurp, coerce and bind others from freedom to a greater extent.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 02:11 AM

Unless all and sundry are obligated to earn their bread and status from work alone; unless special intrests, special victims and specially entitled parasite classes aren't prohibited; unless everyone including the government itself, holds citizenship on an identical footing and staus, then of course the society is going to be and grow increasingly unfree.


That's communism, isn't it?
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 02:12 AM
This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: The Gonzman on May 09, 2009, 05:15 AM

This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.


Willing Slaves.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 06:13 AM


This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.


Willing Slaves.


Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: poiuyt on May 09, 2009, 06:32 AM
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Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals' ?


Because candidly speaking ...

...he is a liberal. Albeit a closeted one !
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: The Gonzman on May 09, 2009, 07:22 AM



This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.


Willing Slaves.


Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


Generally because as an American, I identify Liberals as socialists. And I do hate socialists, on principle,  because I have yet to meet a single one who wasn't stupid, or evil, and whose death shouldn't be listed in the obituaries but rather, under "Public Improvements." 

And, sonny, I've worked hard all my life to be able to retire as a gentleman farmer before the age of fifty.  Thanks to Capitalism.  As I have said here for a while - I have mine, squirreled away so this American Brain-fart which is Telemprompter Jesus cannot take it away.

So, "blame" for what?  My success?  Phbbbft.  My success is mine, achieved in spite of government interference, and leftist obstacles.  In fact, not only am I, a millionaire, recieving a refund this year, I'm also getting benefits to break your system. 

Don't be stupid.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 08:12 AM



Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


Generally because as an American, I identify Liberals as socialists. And I do hate socialists, on principle,  because I have yet to meet a single one who wasn't stupid, or evil, and whose death shouldn't be listed in the obituaries but rather, under "Public Improvements." 


First, I don't think you're using the words 'liberal' and 'socialist' to mean anything very coherent. My definition of 'socialism' is 'the belief that men collectively have a primary responsibility for the social welfare of other men.'.

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And, sonny, I've worked hard all my life to be able to retire as a gentleman farmer before the age of fifty.  Thanks to Capitalism.  As I have said here for a while - I have mine, squirreled away so this American Brain-fart which is Telemprompter Jesus cannot take it away.


What a surprise - your ideology is based on your personal experience. That's a pretty poor grounding.

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So, "blame" for what?  My success?  Phbbbft.  My success is mine, achieved in spite of government interference, and leftist obstacles.  In fact, not only am I, a millionaire, recieving a refund this year, I'm also getting benefits to break your system. 


So your support for capitalism is based on greed: since you've succeeded, it muut be a good system, and the millions of other men that haven't can go fuck themselves. And with the narrow-mindedness characteristic of libertarians, you assume that you would have done even better in the absence of government - in fact, you don't know at all how things would be without the government intervention in the economy that's been going on forever.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: CaptDMO on May 09, 2009, 10:32 AM
What a surprise - your ideology is based on your personal experience. That's a pretty poor grounding.


Stunning.

Mr. Usher,
Considering the  consistent history of intellect you've demonstrated,
poster and pundit, CaptDMO demands that you
Present your credentials. (CV/resume/ANYTHING of value)

Your subsequent theses are at risk for enjoining the ranks of  other intellectual vandals as dismissed, with prejudice* from further consideration by CaptDMO.

*strictly intellectual, non-administrative- I know, I know, ....big whoop!

   
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 10:57 AM

What a surprise - your ideology is based on your personal experience. That's a pretty poor grounding.


Stunning.


It should be pretty obvious that mine is not.

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Mr. Usher,
Considering the  consistent history of intellect you've demonstrated,
poster and pundit, CaptDMO demands that you
Present your credentials. (CV/resume/ANYTHING of value)


I wouldn't even consider it unless you did first.

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Your subsequent theses are at risk for enjoining the ranks of  other intellectual vandals as dismissed, with prejudice* from further consideration by CaptDMO.

*strictly intellectual, non-administrative- I know, I know, ....big whoop!
   


Whatever the hell that means.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2009, 11:56 AM



This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.


Willing Slaves.


Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


So if social problems are systemic and I live in a socialist//communist government with starvation and secret police and abuse of rights then essentially that system is to blame. Yup, you got it.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 09, 2009, 12:27 PM


Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


So if social problems are systemic and I live in a socialist//communist government with starvation and secret police and abuse of rights then essentially that system is to blame. Yup, you got it.


That's exactly correct. Your only problem is a bizarre belief that adopting socialist economic policy entails having 'starvation and secret police and abuse of rights'; I do not know if that belief is sincere but it is bullshit just the same.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: aknapp1112 on May 09, 2009, 02:48 PM
That's exactly correct. Your only problem is a bizarre belief that adopting socialist economic policy entails having 'starvation and secret police and abuse of rights'; I do not know if that belief is sincere but it is bullshit just the same.
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Kind if like the lack of the above in :
Russie (what were they called.. gulag's?)
North korea
Cuba
Venezela (however you spell it)
Germany (jews had a good time back then huh)

And some other I am sure I am forgetting.....
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Mr. X on May 09, 2009, 03:34 PM



Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


So if social problems are systemic and I live in a socialist//communist government with starvation and secret police and abuse of rights then essentially that system is to blame. Yup, you got it.


That's exactly correct. Your only problem is a bizarre belief that adopting socialist economic policy entails having 'starvation and secret police and abuse of rights'; I do not know if that belief is sincere but it is bullshit just the same.


And your problem is the belief a little murder and a little injustice and a little violation of rights is OK and necessary and won't lead to more of the same.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: The Gonzman on May 09, 2009, 03:39 PM




Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


Generally because as an American, I identify Liberals as socialists. And I do hate socialists, on principle,  because I have yet to meet a single one who wasn't stupid, or evil, and whose death shouldn't be listed in the obituaries but rather, under "Public Improvements." 


First, I don't think you're using the words 'liberal' and 'socialist' to mean anything very coherent. My definition of 'socialism' is 'the belief that men collectively have a primary responsibility for the social welfare of other men.'.


Enforced, in the words of your Chairman Mao, at the barrel of a gun.

Involuntary virtue is no virtue.

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And, sonny, I've worked hard all my life to be able to retire as a gentleman farmer before the age of fifty.  Thanks to Capitalism.  As I have said here for a while - I have mine, squirreled away so this American Brain-fart which is Telemprompter Jesus cannot take it away.


What a surprise - your ideology is based on your personal experience. That's a pretty poor grounding.


Yeah, that whole "Proven in the Fires of the Real World" thing -  pshaw.

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So, "blame" for what?  My success?  Phbbbft.  My success is mine, achieved in spite of government interference, and leftist obstacles.  In fact, not only am I, a millionaire, recieving a refund this year, I'm also getting benefits to break your system. 


So your support for capitalism is based on greed: since you've succeeded, it muut be a good system, and the millions of other men that haven't can go fuck themselves. And with the narrow-mindedness characteristic of libertarians, you assume that you would have done even better in the absence of government - in fact, you don't know at all how things would be without the government intervention in the economy that's been going on forever.


I know, from actually applying myself and walking the walk, instead of being a bitter theoretician who is trying to blame everything else but himself for his lack of success, that more times than not, government has been an obstacle, if not some protection racket of Mafiaesque proportions.  95% of the time?  Useless as tits on a boar hog.

And again with the anarchist strawman.  You're a broken record, sonny.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on May 09, 2009, 03:48 PM
Imagine liberty, imagine the end of Democrat party tyranny and social injustice.  Imagine freedom.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: gwallan on May 09, 2009, 09:21 PM




This study isn't too surprising - all it means is that American liberals like a bit less personal freedom than American conservatives do.


Willing Slaves.


Why are you fixated on your hatred of 'liberals'? Probably because you can't think of anyone else to blame.

Social problems are almost always systemic.


Generally because as an American, I identify Liberals as socialists. And I do hate socialists, on principle,  because I have yet to meet a single one who wasn't stupid, or evil, and whose death shouldn't be listed in the obituaries but rather, under "Public Improvements." 



Um, Gonz, we "socialists" are not all Andrew Usher.

Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Andrew Usher on May 10, 2009, 04:29 AM


Um, Gonz, we "socialists" are not all Andrew Usher.


No, but some people seem to imagine that all people that call themselves socialists are Kim Il Sung.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: The Gonzman on May 10, 2009, 06:02 AM



Um, Gonz, we "socialists" are not all Andrew Usher.


No, but some people seem to imagine that all people that call themselves socialists are Kim Il Sung.


Rights to property and the fruit of ones own labor are fundamental to liberty - without these rights, there is no liberty, nor any incentive to succeed in life.

It is one thing to tax citizens for things which benefit ALL citizens.  These include infrastructure, defense, law enforcement, et al.  When you start to take people's property - at the point of a gun - to benefit the few because they are somehow "less fortunate" than those who have succeeded, then, no sirrah - you are no better than Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, and a host of other tyrants.  As far as morality goes, the difference of your evil is only one of scope.

But you are most assuredly just as evil.
Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Virtue on May 10, 2009, 10:22 AM
No one deserves ANYTHING they don't earn.


Title: Re: Study: Most Liberal States Are Least Free
Post by: Mr. X on May 10, 2009, 10:33 AM



Um, Gonz, we "socialists" are not all Andrew Usher.


No, but some people seem to imagine that all people that call themselves socialists are Kim Il Sung.


If you're willing to use coercive force to try and create liberty you cannot create liberty because you are using force to accomplish that goal. You need to get passed intention based ethics. Your intentions are irrelevant and you cannot hide behind them to achieve your goals. "I intend to free everyone no matter how many people I jail or kill" is just not a formula for success.