(To elaborate on a post from here.)
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1946
I posted this on another thread but am posting it here to let the world know that Im serious about it and request everyone else consider an international censure.
Tricycle- That article is one of the filthiest, most condemning testimonies Ive ever read. The prison system and the shitheads who run it are a national disgrace. I hold the officials who turn a blind eye to this horrific holocaust to be equally in violation with the rapists. Not to mention the vindictive Feminazi pieces of shit who helped to create the tyrannical system that reinforces it. Since the state is in violation for not addressing this (and so many other) issue I declare that the state is to be censured and its authority refuted until these and other issues are resolved!!! I will continue to train and prepare for death before I let myself and others be cornered into such a demeaning and torturous enslavement. The notion of an inmate suffering like this who is doing time for some nominal or even unjustified conviction such as possesion of Marijuana or unpaid alimony as a result of job loss for example is going to be considered a victim of a war crime. The perpetrators and prison officials who ignore it or perpetuate this will be subject to enslavement themselves as a just means to effect remorse from these neonazi fuckwads. DONT TREAD ON ME!!!!
Um, hi? Context please?
WOW Neb! that was a quickie! :D
LOL, if it was a quickie, that's on you bub.
But seriously, I had just posted on another thread and when I refreshed I saw your post.
:)
Has to do with prison rape.
Kinda figured as much.
Where's the original thread? He mentioned an article Tricycle posted...was this recently?
http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1946
Thanks. :)
FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR, it is a truly disgusting situation isn't it?
I think that once a person has been given a sentance from the court they should not then also be 'punished' by other prisoners or the guards.
As I said in my original post, this isn't an issue that gets much - if any - attention.
People don't want to face the reality of this situation, or they have the opinion that these people are criminals and probably deserve everything they get.
I find it terrifying that a person could be imprisoned for a minor offence and have to face this sort of brutality from other inmates, and be ignored if they try to get help.
My friend Justin was attacked in the showers by a gang of about 8 men, after the rape he was just left lying there. A guard who happened to be passing noticed him lying on the floor in a pool of blood. The guard kicked him until he got up, then he made him clean up the mess. Justin was put in solitary confinement - with no medical attention for a week - because it was easier than putting the rapists in there.
He finally did get to see a doctor, who couldn't really do much after that amount of time, but did think that an HIV test was a good idea.
When the results came back the guards kept him in solitary until his appeal could be heard. They said 'officially' that it was for Justins protection ... but they told Justin that they "didn't want to deal with a filthy aids infested faggot".
Justin died 7 years later ... he had been in prison for defaulting on a fine.
Even now I am so angry about this, Justin was such a beautiful person and not a day goes by that I don't miss him.
People need to speak up - and out - about this for anything to be done about it.
No matter what your [collective your] thoughts on the prison system might be, it is not acceptable to dehumanise people to this extent. The long term effects of prison rape are something that could effect everyone. Releasing people who have been treated like this in prison without any form of support is so wrong.
The victims need support, they need to be able to feel that they have nothing to be ashamed of.
I have a pen-pal on death row in Florida - which according to the Washington Post is the worst prison system in America - and I am trying to get help for him at the moment.
There is the "Geneva convention on the rights of prisoners" which does address this and other issue's.
I know that the UN isn't exactly popular in America at the moment, but I think that in this situation it would be a very good place to start.
Tricycle- I am truly sorry for your friend and will pray that someday his attackers and the prison officials who turned a blind eye to this criminal violation will be eating crow for it. Im glad that you posted that article since I dont usually find time to look for anything about this subject. I consider this problem to be an absolute outrage and will become more active in supporting prison reform in the future. I consider anyone doing time for minor offenses such as possesion of marijuana, being late on traffic fines or other minor technicalities to be innocent people. To subject them to the horrrific desperation of soddomites is a warcrime of holocaust proportions since by now millions around the world have been violated. Prison systems and the cynical sadistic tyrannts who run them may derive pleasure from abusing the power they temporarily possess, but their wickedness is not unnoticed. Whether you are religious or not I do point out that God is not mocked and one day every being in the universe will have to account for their deeds and restitution will be paid.
Another angle you could take is why should the people in prison who are doing the raping be REWARDED like that? I mean, come on. They are likely some of the biggest offendors and biggest thugs. Why should they have any ounce of enjoyment in prison?
<<Why should they have any ounce of enjoyment in prison?>>
My take is that many are not homosexuals in the traditional sense of the word, so it's not an issue of "enjoyment" in a narrow sense - it is REALLY a means of initimidation and showing control (and I say "really" as opposed to the feminists' interpretation of rape - in that sense the male rapists DO probably have some enjoyment, which is what feminists always try to deny).
In any case, I also think that prison rape is an abomination in the Western world.
If you actually look into prison sociology, those who are doing the raping are not doing it because they enjoy it sexually, by and large.
Rape is, in prison, a tool of dominance. A prisoner is either the master or the slave, and in order to be the master has to beat and rape the 'slaves' to show dominance.
It's one of the few hierrarchical tools they have, and they use it. Violence separates the top from the bottom.
Sounds like a typical "rape is about control" nonsense a la feminists ... and without the proof to boot.
I highly doubt it. Men in prison, locked away from the outside world, no sex ... have to relieve it somehow.
They'd have to be mindless to want to rape someone just to show dominance. Either that or have homosexual tendancies. I'm betting they have at least a small amount of the latter.
Where did you get your prison sociology info from, Nyet?
From a couple of prison guards, and some of the inmates who I used to teach computer skills to.
As they put it, you either do the raping, or you become the bitch.
It's about being the 'top dog'.
Only about 10 percent of prisoners are raped though. They do get raped multiple times but it's still only 10% or so. If it was rape or be raped the number would higher.
http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2003/0916.html
<<Only about 10 percent of prisoners are raped though.>>
I don't care if it's 1% or 0.1%, that's frankly something that shouldn't exist in the western world. Or anywhere ... but I'll start with the western world.
Yes but my point was that the rape or be raped idea doesn't make sense with that number.
That's 10% that anyone knows of.
I wonder how many of those rapes nobody but the victim and perpetrator know anything about?
It would have to be at least 50% to be "rape or be raped". That's a much larger number then 10%.
I think it would be more accurate to attribute prison rape to fucked up individuals. They're angry people naturally and then you put them into a prison that magnifies their bad behavior and you get prison rape. In their minds it might be about domination but no normal man would rape another man unless there's something wrong with them. And I think a man raping a woman is the same thing. They're pissed off about something and their object of anger becomes a woman for whatever reason (or a man in prison) so they decide to go fuck her up and make her feel like shit. It's not about domination, they just want to hurt somebody.
And in the case of male on female rape or even male on male rape, they might just be horny, no matter how bad that sounds which may be the reason rape isn't characterized like that. I like Amber's idea that feminists have changed rape to mean domination because that makes the women who are raped feel good. Because if the man has an urge to want to dominate her like that, that must mean the woman is worthy enough of that urge.
Well, I can only give you the perspective of someone who has been there. It was an assault, rather like any other serious assault. What the feminists held against me was that I didn't think it was different or worse than any form of violent attack.
That's what it was, and that's all it was. I didn't think it was about sex then, and it wouldn't occur to me to think it was now.
Perhaps that's why I can understand prison rape being not about sex but about dominating someone else. Every system has a hierarchy, in which some dominate and some serve. Whatever form of violence makes someone a slave seems to work fine in prison.
I'm sorry to hear that. Yes the vast majority of rape cases are most likely assaults rather then being about sex.
But rape (or rather, a sexual assault) doesn't always have to be about domination. That may be the case in prison rape but rape is not the only means the prisoners use to dominate each other. The overall method the prisoners use to dominate each other is violence and intimidation. The reason some prisoners use rape as a form of domination is just because it's a form of violence and it suits their mentality.
The fact that in prison the prisoners have a need to dominate each other due to a hierarchy sheds some light on non-prison rape. In non-prison rape there is no hierarchy that encompasses the rapist and the random rape victim. The only reason they can have for raping a random person is out of a need to hurt someone and their mentality allows them to use rape as a form of violence. The reasons are different for a rapist not in prison then for a rapist in prison but their ability to use rape for their intended purpose comes from the fact they have mental problems and not simply from a need to dominate someone else.
Whether they're using rape as violence or domination it's still from a need to hurt the person.
"Whether they're using rape as violence or domination it's still from a need to hurt the person."
This is called "schadenfreude", the instinctual narcissism that is the downfall of all primate species.
Another thing about prison rape. If they're trying to establish a hierarchy with rape why do they so often target the effeminate prisoners? Those prisoners are obviously always going to be looked at as the bitches whether they get raped or not. That just shows that probobly the majority of prison rape doesn't have to do with domination.
gmk1212 said:
Another thing about prison rape. If they're trying to establish a hierarchy with rape why do they so often target the effeminate prisoners? Those prisoners are obviously always going to be looked at as the bitches whether they get raped or not.
Because the effeminate ones are seen as weaker, and anybody who wants to bully another person, to rule over that person, picks easy targets.
Think about it.
Bullies in school pick the scrawny, weak kid with glasses.
Bullies in prison pick who? The scrawny, weak, effeminate guy.
Easy targets are preferable to those who might put up a fight.
That just shows that probobly the majority of prison rape doesn't have to do with domination.
Actually, what it shows is the classic bully mentality. Pick the easiest possible victim who won't be too much effort.
Yeah exactly but it doesn't have anything to do with a hierarchy. The rapists are just mentally disturbed. They're angry about something so they take it out on someone else.
They're in a system in which they are the bullies.
Some of them were bullies as kids, and some of them were those who were bullied. Either way, they want the easiest, weakest target to exert their power over.
The rapists don't care about power, they're fueled by anger and they just want to hurt someone. The reason for the anger that fuels them could be for various reasons. But if you assume the rape victims are weaker than the rapists that means the rapists are doing it because they're sodomists. Because if they pick a weaker person just because they want to pick on someone that means they don't care who it is as long as it's someone they're able to hurt.
Why does a mugger pick someone who they think can't fight back?
Why does a serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer pick young boys who can't fight back?
So, why does a rapist pick someone who can't fight back?
Makes their 'job' less risky.
Actually Jefferey Dahmer picked up gay men from gay bars and gave them drugs to make it easy for him.
But yes, they pick the weaker ones because it's easier for them but that doesn't mean they do it for power.