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Title: Chilean Miners
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Oct 13, 2010, 03:12 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39625809/ns/world_news-americas/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39625809/ns/world_news-americas/?gt1=43001)

They are currently being rescued!!! Several are up, and more are on their way. Thank you everyone for your prayers, this is just an amazing thing, and it is so nice to have a good ending to one of these tragedies.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: outdoors on Oct 13, 2010, 04:29 AM
betcha there are a few guys who are wishing they could stay down there.

who do you hug and kiss-your wife or your girlfriend?
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Oct 13, 2010, 06:23 AM
They brought #3 up around Midnight California time.   It's 6:18 a.m. now and #12 is up.  The elevator takes 15 min. up and 15 min. down.  Two men per hour, roughly, is the rate so they are progressing pretty steadily.  If they are able to keep on this schedule, they should have #33 out (plus two volunteers who went down) by roughly 7 p.m. tonight, Pacific time.  Keep praying that the little elevator that can keeps chugging along, getting those men out.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: PaulGuelph on Oct 13, 2010, 06:54 AM
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Keep praying that the little elevator that can keeps chugging along, getting those men out.


Those men??? Oh, the miners you mean, right?  Our hearts go out to all the men and women who must work below ground.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Oct 13, 2010, 06:59 AM
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Our hearts go out to all the men and women who must work below ground.


There certainly are not any women miners trapped in this hole so spare me your PC.  I'll mention women when one is relevant to the story.   Until then, I speak correctly and you don't.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Pacman7331 on Oct 13, 2010, 07:51 AM

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Keep praying that the little elevator that can keeps chugging along, getting those men out.


Those men??? Oh, the miners you mean, right?  Our hearts go out to all the men and women who must work below ground.


I was going to mention... looks like these people are not human but just miner drones... These miners must not be men because we all know that if they were we would hear about it just like we do  :angel4: women  :angel4:.

Right Paul?

They must be robots. Thats what i'm thinking.

:MRm3:
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Pacman7331 on Oct 13, 2010, 08:39 AM
Hey Paul watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A&feature=player_embedded#)!
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: rph3664 on Oct 13, 2010, 08:59 AM
Those men??? Oh, the miners you mean, right?  Our hearts go out to all the men and women who must work below ground.
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There may be women miners somewhere, but I have never heard of a mine rescue  or disaster ANYWHERE that had female casualties.  Truthfully, it's a job very few women could do because we just don't have the upper body strength to operate jackhammers and some of that other heavy equipment.

As for some miners having two wives, one legal and one common-law:  This may not be by choice in some cases.  A Chilean poster on another board said that divorce is very hard to get in Chile, and in fact has only been legalized for about the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Virtue on Oct 13, 2010, 09:09 AM
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There may be women miners somewhere


I will bet a billion internet cheeseburgers that you cant find evidence of a single female miner anywhere.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: rph3664 on Oct 13, 2010, 09:26 AM
Some have tried.  I haven't seen the movie "North Country" but am familiar with the story, which was more about sexual harassment than mining.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Virtue on Oct 13, 2010, 01:28 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/10/business/the-plight-of-female-miners.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/10/business/the-plight-of-female-miners.html)

A quick search yeilded the above article which states

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3,800 women who have been hired since 1973


Which frankly is about 3798 more female miners than I thought there were....according to this document

http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_trends_mining.pdf (http://www.nma.org/pdf/c_trends_mining.pdf)

The 3088 are a fraction of a percent of total number of miners.

After reading the Wiki article (which may or may not be accurate) I can see why there are any woman at all in the mining industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining)

Basically regulations forced the industry in to a much LOWER risk category......only AFTER the industry was made massively safer did women start to work in the mines.

Women will NOT work in unsafe jobs other than one exception here or there.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: neoteny on Oct 13, 2010, 02:07 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/10/business/the-plight-of-female-miners.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/10/business/the-plight-of-female-miners.html)

Written 23 years ago... fascinating. A factory job paid $2.45/hour and the miner wage of $15/hour was excellent.

Sic transit gloria mundi.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: rph3664 on Oct 13, 2010, 02:21 PM
I wonder when she went to work for that mine, because minimum wage was $3.35 an hour through most of the 1980s.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: TheDude on Oct 13, 2010, 02:26 PM
I remember I made the princely sum of 2.35 an hour at my first job in 1977.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Oct 13, 2010, 05:51 PM
I think Paul was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Oct 13, 2010, 06:02 PM
The 33rd MAN is out.  That's all the miners who were trapped for 69 days.

Viva la masculinity!
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Oct 13, 2010, 06:11 PM
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If they are able to keep on this schedule, they should have #33 out (plus two volunteers who went down) by roughly 7 p.m. tonight, Pacific time.  Keep praying that the little elevator that can keeps chugging along, getting those men out.


Well, the last trapped miner came out at a little after 6 p.m. (Pacific time), right on schedule.  I'm not sure when the two volunteers came out, or if they're still down there and about to come up.  Oh, okay, they're now saying on the news that there are still five volunteers, paramedics, etc. who are still to come up.  They had earlier reported just two volunteer medics.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: The Gonzman on Oct 13, 2010, 06:23 PM
Chile!  Chile!  Chile!

Um ..Yeah, NASA helped out with the project, the rescue capsule was built in Pennsylvania, and an American headed up the Drilling Operation.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: neoteny on Oct 13, 2010, 06:43 PM
the rescue capsule was built in Pennsylvania

The capsule , the biggest of three built by Chilean navy engineers, was named Phoenix I for the mythical bird that rises from ashes and is painted in the white, blue and red of the Chilean flag. (http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20101012_ap_chilerescuecapsuleloweredintoshaftfortests.html)
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: PaulGuelph on Oct 13, 2010, 08:08 PM
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I think Paul was being sarcastic.


You are a smart one Biscuit Queen.   :notworthy:

We all talk so much about the same stuff, so I didn't think anyone would misunderstand me.  On the other hand, people noticed my message.

You can catch more flies with vinegar?   :yikes:

It's all cool.   :sunny:

Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: . on Oct 14, 2010, 12:46 AM
Our hearts go out to all the men and women who must work below ground.


I think Paul was being sarcastic.


Agreed, Paul was being sarcastic.  He was mockingly echoing the tendency within mainstream media outlets to gloss over male suffering by referring to it in gender-neutral terms.  If 900 male soldiers die in a military battle, and 9 female soldiers also die, it is still accurate to acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of casualties are male.  But it would be politically incorrect to make such an acknowledgment.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Oct 14, 2010, 01:10 AM
I'm sorry Paul.  I missed your sarcasm.  We could use a  sarcazer emoticon.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Oct 14, 2010, 03:44 AM
Or a font....
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: The Gonzman on Oct 14, 2010, 08:35 AM

the rescue capsule was built in Pennsylvania

The capsule , the biggest of three built by Chilean navy engineers, was named Phoenix I for the mythical bird that rises from ashes and is painted in the white, blue and red of the Chilean flag. (http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20101012_ap_chilerescuecapsuleloweredintoshaftfortests.html)



What I get for watching MSNBC.  It was the very drill bits themselves (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-10-14-chileside14_ST_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-10-14-chileside14_ST_N.htm)) that made the rescue possible that did it, as well as a US Firm feeding them.

Once again, the Great World Satan is the lynchpin on which a humanitarian effort rests.

Damn those capitalist American pigs!
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Mr. X on Oct 14, 2010, 01:38 PM
Why are they called miners. Why not men. If it were 23 women you can bet we'd damn well know they were women.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: rph3664 on Oct 15, 2010, 04:26 PM

Why are they called miners. Why not men. If it were 23 women you can bet we'd damn well know they were women.


When firefighters die, it's a pretty safe bet they were men unless they were forest firefighters, which seem to be about 50/50 men and women.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: dr e on Oct 16, 2010, 04:04 AM


Why are they called miners. Why not men. If it were 23 women you can bet we'd damn well know they were women.


When firefighters die, it's a pretty safe bet they were men unless they were forest firefighters, which seem to be about 50/50 men and women.


50/50?  How bout some proof for that claim?  Link?
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: Captain Courageous on Oct 16, 2010, 09:12 AM
Even the dykes don't want to work as miners.
Title: Re: Chilean Miners
Post by: slayton on Oct 17, 2010, 02:20 AM
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Mines cave-in in China and Ecuador (http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/698402/cs/1/)
Malaysia Sun
Sunday 17th October, 2010

20 miners are dead and another 17 are missing underground in a Chinese mine accident.

The mine in the city of Yuzhou in the central province of Henan collapsed during a sudden coal and gas outburst according to officials.

276 miners were at work below ground when the accident occurred.

While most made it to the surface, rescuers have been held up in looking for the others due to high gas levels in the mine.

Meanwhile, in scenes reminiscent from those in neighbouring Chile, emergency teams headed underground at a gold mine in Ecuador only to find miners had died in a rockfall.

Hoping to rescue the four workers who had become trapped, the rescuers dug through debris closest to the men.

Three of the four workers at the Casa Negra mine, near the town of Portavelo, were found dead on Saturday, while the status of the fourth man is still unknown.

The Ecuadoran miners were trapped early on Friday, shortly after Chile completed its historic, successful rescue of 33 miners who had been stuck underground in the San Jose mine for a record period of nearly 10 weeks.