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Title: Teen mom Amber
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Oct 20, 2010, 02:56 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39759631#39764120 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39759631#39764120)
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: neoteny on Oct 20, 2010, 03:09 PM
Yes, that was lovely. A "pop culture columnist" was talking about it, not a DA.  :rolle:
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Oct 20, 2010, 03:19 PM
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Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: . on Oct 20, 2010, 05:02 PM
They did say that the case is being investigated by law enforcement, and that they expected to hear more about it when law enforcement (including the DA) weigh in.  So their attitude is "wait and see," whereas I suspect some of us wish that the DA would hurry up and issue an indictment or make some sort of public statement.  If a few months go by and still no charges have been issued, nor civil lawsuit filed against the female perpetrator by the male victim, then an injustice will certainly have been tolerated and the reason will plausibly be that in the eyes of the DA, female-perpetrated violence is considered harmless to male victims, and is also considered harmless to any kids who witness it.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Sir Jessy of Anti on Oct 20, 2010, 05:14 PM
Sheesh.  I wonder what would have happened if he had tried to restrain her?  Perhaps become a cause celebre.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Oct 20, 2010, 05:26 PM
At least they were talking about it, and quite frankly this will get way more publicity than a court case. People actually watch this crap; it is not a bad way to get the point across. Also, the show, although not interviening, shows the immediate horror of the situation and how it affects both the father and their daughter in a way no commercial or bill board can.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: neoteny on Oct 20, 2010, 05:33 PM
People actually watch this crap; it is not a bad way to get the point across.


It depends on the point, I guess. If the point is that a woman is allowed to commit assault & battery on the father of her child (which makes it -- by definition -- domestic violence), then the wrong point is getting across. It seems so far that is the case.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: AnubisRox on Oct 20, 2010, 09:28 PM
"The case is being investigated" = "the check's in the mail."

And then to add insult to injury they switch over to criticizing a mag cover of the Glee cast? Really?? Nothing on Nancy Grace or anything about violent women to follow? They just segue to something as irrelevant as a mag cover??

Imagine switching from a story of a woman beaten on a city street to how well T.O and Chad Ochocinco are doing as a wide receiver tandem for the Bengals! I bet that wont go over that well.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: . on Oct 20, 2010, 09:43 PM

Sheesh.  I wonder what would have happened if he had tried to restrain her?  Perhaps become a cause celebre.


You know, that's a good point.  Even if the entire context were on film and he grabbed her arms in an attempt to restrain her, what would the reaction be by the police?  Would they issue a restraining order against him?  I think it's time that men like the male victim in the MTV video take some liberties in their physical defense, namely grabbing the arms of their female attacker, provided that the entire interaction is being filmed.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Oct 21, 2010, 09:35 AM

You know, I think that this would be a perfect opportunity for the man to

Sheesh.  I wonder what would have happened if he had tried to restrain her?  Perhaps become a cause celebre.


You know, that's a good point.  Even if the entire context were on film and he grabbed her arms in an attempt to restrain her, what would the reaction be by the police?  Would they issue a restraining order against him?  I think it's time that men like the male victim in the MTV video take some liberties in their physical defense, namely grabbing the arms of their female attacker, provided that the entire interaction is being filmed.


wouldn't matter-you know he is much bigger than her and sustained no injuries(??)

he would be barred from protecting his child from an empowered female
and sit in jail untill trial.
thank-you VAWA
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Quentin0352 on Oct 21, 2010, 11:48 AM
Let me see, all the evidence is on tape, the crime is obvious but wait......she is the abuser so we need to move with caution. After all, he mist have done something to deserve it unlike if he hit her, right? Under the VAWA she is just defending herself and exerting her rights as a mother so he is the real culprit. Now they just need to look deep and carefully with her getting "help" to find out how the charge him for it after her "help" gets her to reveal that off the tapes he had been raping and abusing her.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Oct 21, 2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39756744#39756744 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39756744#39756744)
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: oz615 on Oct 21, 2010, 01:49 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39756744#39756744 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39756744#39756744)


OMG what Douche Dr. Drew is, "We're you blacked out, "you didn't know what you're doing",etc

Jesus, would anyone be asking the same thing Had it been a man,**** no.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Quentin0352 on Oct 21, 2010, 02:38 PM
Aww, the poor little thing didn't know she was doing it and we need to look at what is best for the child (doing nothing or at most counseling) and not rush to judgement against her. After all, HE MUST BE AT FAULT so they have to find out how first.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Sir Jessy of Anti on Nov 19, 2010, 06:45 PM
Well I read in the news paper today, she has been charged with DV.  Good sign.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Nov 19, 2010, 07:06 PM
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Well I read in the news paper today, she has been charged with DV.  Good sign.


From what I read, the two assaults done in the presence of the baby are being charged as felonies, and the one not done in the presence of the baby is being charged as a misdemeanor.  Whatever happened to the level of violence as a criteria in determining the charges to be leveled?
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Nov 19, 2010, 07:37 PM
http://www.theteenforum.com/2010/entertainment/19/11/amber-portwood-mtv-teen-mom-domestic-violence-battery-charges (http://www.theteenforum.com/2010/entertainment/19/11/amber-portwood-mtv-teen-mom-domestic-violence-battery-charges)

it's about friggin' time
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Billy on Nov 19, 2010, 08:42 PM
Unreal.....  they are going to actually do something to her when her boyfriend was there to take the fall?

Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: . on Nov 19, 2010, 09:36 PM
'Teen Mom' Star Faces Domestic Violence Charge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqSgkQLiGo#noexternalembed-ws)
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Nov 19, 2010, 09:47 PM
fuuuck-he sure took a beating-makes ya wonder about what would have happened if the camera's were not there?-she would have claimed abuse-no one would have believed him

been there-done that
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Nov 19, 2010, 11:29 PM
I saw one poster say roughly the same thing, paraphrasing, "Every man needs to carry a running camera around with him anyplace women are present, because in gender profiling, feminazi america no one ever believes what a man has to say."
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: outdoors on Nov 20, 2010, 08:54 AM
 note the telivision crew are not charged at all-i thought not reporting d.v. was a crime in itself?
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: . on Nov 20, 2010, 09:55 AM

note the telivision crew are not charged at all-i thought not reporting d.v. was a crime in itself?


I'm not sure but isn't that prosecutable under the charge of depraved indifference?

Even though the crew didn't get charged, I suppose the male victim could sue MTV for negligence.  If he does then I hope he wins.
Title: Re: Teen mom Amber
Post by: Men's Rights Activist on Nov 20, 2010, 11:45 AM
In California, teachers, school librarians, doctors, nurses, and some other professions are "mandated reporters," and can be charged with a crime themselves if they do not report bruises, etc. on children.  I'm not sure how far that mandated reporting goes as I quit teaching in part because that nanny state b.s.  They can also be civilly liable.  I am not my brother's keeper in a fascist state like CA, that cares more about destroying families and people than helping them. 

Domestic violence and other forms of violence will never end as long as the whole truth about it is misrepresented to comply with feminist ideology.