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Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: D on Nov 29, 2004, 05:57 AM
I am in advertising.

The best form of advertising according to those in the industry is by 'Word of Mouth'.

So essentially yes, one man can make a difference.

In regards to this movement.

Political Correctness runs to stifle debate only to maintain the status quo.  It silences dissent and worse objetivity.  Hiding things behind groups of people rather than integrity of design.

For instance when bad policy is created in government usually it is created to maintain power for whatever demographic will get so and so into office.  

Is this balanced?  No.  Is it fair?  It's not fair either if people are not getting the full facts.  VAWA is the perfect example.

We only see women as abused.  Political Correctness silences any other perception to a great deal.  Without it, people would be talking about the truth of these issues constantly in open debate.  Not good for those wanting to make federal money off the industry VAWA has become.  Among other things.

Anyone who challenges this is of course Misogynist.  This is how political correctness shames.  But it is by design.  We as a society had to be conditioned by the media to accept this, defend it even.

When we attack policy of VAWA then they respond with 'you hate women' even when your point is truely a valid critisim of the policy.  It's a sweet tactic really.  Been used for some time now.

This is why socialists decided to invest their tactics into 'feminism'.  Chivilry allows a good passage to advance their goals.  (Not just socialists either, but anyone can use this).  

I mean look at feminism itself.  Here is a movement that wants to unsex women, cut of their breasts,  rip out their uterus and make them work in the feilds beside men.   Keeping women angry 24 hrs a day.  Convincing them they should hate, despise in fact, their natural urges for the good of the 'sisterhood'.  Psycholigically nuetering women, knowing that the old adage Hitler used.  "First you get the women, then the children, then so follow the men."

Do you really think feminism is benificial to women?

Political Correctness, and things like feminism can be destroyed.  Just open your mouth and speak.  

IF word of mouth is the most potent form of advertising then we don't need the media to bring about justice.  We only need courage to voice.  But this time it will be a true grassroots movement, not one designed to benifit those at the top.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: angryharry on Nov 30, 2004, 12:08 PM
Hi Dan

One of the main reasons that I initially set up an ***overtly*** hostile anti-feminist website - originally, ihatefeminism.com - was precisely to combat the fear that people had of being politically incorrect in what they said, and in how they said it.

And it is no exaggeration to say that something like 60%+ of ALL my 'congratulatory' emails for the first two years or so were, in some way or other, directly related to 'speaking out' - with, for example, men writing to me and telling me that I was helping them to lose their fear of speaking out.

I do not receive such emails any more.

And I presume that the reason for this is because people are, nowadays, speaking out! And so, in this respect, my speaking out is no 'big deal' any more.

In my view, this alone demonstrates that ***significant*** progress has been made on this front in the past two or three years.

Further - as you will probably recall - in those earlier days, search engines and hosters were refusing to list or host even men's charity sites like the UKMM! They were so scared of being the targets of adverse feminist publicity.

I couldn't get ihatefeminism.com listed anywhere to begin with!

Harry
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Alpha Male on Nov 30, 2004, 12:57 PM
Well AH.
Let me say I am still a faithful reader of the site and I appreciate that I can pull a lot of news items from there to discuss with people in my office, church, and family. I'm much more vocal since becoming a reader.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: angryharry on Nov 30, 2004, 05:58 PM
Thanks AlphaMale.

Much appreciated!
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Ragnar on Dec 01, 2004, 05:31 AM
Angryharry.

Like Alpha male I have also become much more outspoken since reading your site, for the first time, almost 4 years ago. No doubt, you have been doing a great job in getting men to speak up.

Today I believe we need even more activism and together with a few other guy's it has resulted in an idea about 'MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY' based on zenpriests essay 'Ignoring women'. Those other guy's will speak for themselves in due time.

The idea is to instill masculinity in men. To make men understand that they don't have to cater to women unless there is a 'quid pro quo' situation. Men doesn't need someone to compete with. They need someone to help them. Men naturally enjoy being with other men in bands or brotherhoods, so they should go ahead and start some men's club's and enjoy that. Men should also understand that you don't have to live with women, that they can live a fullfilling life without living with women. This doesn't mean without sex, not at all - it might, on the contrary, be with too much sex - depending on your personal preferences.

By instilling masculinity in men and demanding femininity from women we will take part of this from the web to real life. In order to reinforce this a small symbol or logo is being offered - free for all to use.

For this purpose, here's a small essay stating the points  :D

- - -

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY
The goal of men is to install masculinity in men and feminity in women!

It is about time that we take the men's movement from vitual reality into real reality and this is the first step in that direction. By working to make men more masculine we will be paving the way for a change.

By working to instill masculinity in men we will work towards making men self-reliant, proud and independent. A man who is selfreliant with a good selfesteem doesn't have to rely on women or others to support him and he can thus set his terms for any engagement with women.

If women don't like these terms then it's just too bad.

What we want from women is that they are nurturing, supporting and responsible.
That women have other qualities is not interesting to men because we don't need them!

Femininity will be the price women pay for enjoying Masculinity in men!

This should the personal viewpoint of every man. By holding this point of view you will be helping other men and, more important, you will be helping boys grow up to become men.

This goal is not about reinstalling patriarchism or revoking female voting rights or making socialism illegal - it might have this as a byproduct or something else like it - but not directly and not as a political ideology. Only the future will show what happens and by going our own way we are preparing men and boys for that future.

The major change will be that we stop the philosophical discussions about the future and the mens movement and women and what not - and start to have a practical aproach to it.

We aim to instill masculinity in men - period!

Prime Strategies That Complement Our Product And Goal

We have two main strategies:

1. Instilling masculinity in men by -

- Demanding respect for men.
- Serving as good male role models.
- Living independent lives.
- Fighting chivalry.

2. Ignoring and Shunning women.

Ignoring and Shunning women to force them from even thinking about acting other than what we need from them and forcing them into a complementary position with men instead of a competitive position as is now the case.

Feminine Qualities we need from women -
- Nurturing
- Supportive
- Responsible
- Respectful
- Honest


It is those two strategies that come together in one;

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY

- or a similar message like; MEN LEAVING  or  WAY OUT

We need a Logo to support this idea a Logo which promotes and summarizes these two strategies.

This is the suggestion for a Logo.
T-shirt with Logo (http://www.cafepress.com/absolutetruth.14457460?zoom=yes#zoom)

Every man supporting this idea is welcome to use the Logo in this or similar contexts.

What we do as activism or the way we behave personally are the Tactics.

1. Use of a Logo which symbolises the strategy.
2. Run one or many  Web-sites and Fora that promotes this. Just join in, you are welcome!
3. Run one or more web-sites which tells the truth about feminism. That is allready going on.
4. Provide Stickers, T-Shirts, etc, with various statements such as "Chivalry is Dead".
5. Writing articles supporting our product.
6. Producing music promoting our product.
7. International events and local meetings.
8. Establishing men's' clubs.
9. Boycotting certain products.

You will basicly be alone doing this, there are no organisation supporting you. You just go your own way and do what you believe is right, you are never obligated beyond your own conscience. True masculinity is also about accepting the rights of other men and not letting them down for any short term personal benefits.

The mens movement does actually cover a much larger picture. By instilling masculinity in others, as well as yourself, you will actually be improving the lives of everybody, including women and children.

IF IT'S NOT RIGHT - GO YOUR OWN WAY!

Take care brother !
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: angryharry on Dec 05, 2004, 12:07 AM
Hi Ragnar

I think that these are excellent ideas, and what is surely needed is an attractive website that espouses this basic philosophy of yours.

It can have all sorts of things on it; news, humour, politics, girlies!

Perhaps something more attractive than the 'aggressively politicial' that we always seem to engage in round here.

Forget Clubbin'

Go Fishing With Your Mates!

LOL!

There are loads of ways in which you could present this ideology to the public on a website.

And it might be fun!
Title: Speaking out
Post by: hurkle on Dec 07, 2004, 04:29 PM
I'd just like to point out that I went to visit my ex-wife in prison, and while waiting there, I had a great conversation with a man who was there to visit his girlfriend.

He was about ten years older than me, raised his three kids by himself with full custody after his wife flipped out at 32 and went looking for a BBD - bigger better deal.

He was a normal guy, and yet he had the masculist rhetoric and father's rights material down cold, but not from any sort of "educated" position. He had lived most of it, and had come to it himself.

We had a great conversation, and it was very heartening to just meet a guy and have that instant rapport because we both knew the real truth that is hidden underneath the PC veneer of modern society.

It reminds me of when my ex-wife's parents were trying to get custody of my daughter from me, and the guardian ad litem showed up, and it turns out that he - like me - had been a battered husband. Talk about an instant rapport. I couldn't have had a more glowing recommendation in court, thank you very much.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Ragnar on Dec 08, 2004, 05:19 AM
hurkle.

Great read  :D

I know men like the ones you describe. You, I and them are quite a number out there. If we could only reach out for them and somehow join forces.

Many men are afraid of joining mens clubs or organisations because they see it as something opposing the family they love AND are afraid of all the feminist-socialist myth's about mens organisations. These myth's talk about abuse, homosexuality, denigration of each others and so on.

Nothing could be further from the truth. MEN's clubs have always followed a set of common sense rules and valued loyalty very much. These things are necessary to protect men from outside forces trying to destroy them and of course from internal troubles. When men form clubs these thing comes natural and this is why the feminists and socialists go to such lenghts to destroy anything men have in common.

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY should be seen as an initiator for this.

Someday I might have the time to learn to make a web-site, but basicly it's a free idea. Any men who want to promote it and use the Logo are more than welcome to do it!

The Logo; http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/jtest28/images/OwnWay2.jpg

I'm very honoured if anyone thinks that I can contribute to the mens movement - and actually blushing over AH's post to me  :oops:
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: D on Dec 12, 2004, 08:36 AM
Good work Harry, as always.


Ragnar,

I dissagree with killing chivilry.

Chivilry is an act of Hetrosexuality, which is something I believe in and will fight for.

The people who want to destroy chivilry are those who want to abuse women for their own purposes, to disfunctionalize society and make it their slave.  Chivilry impedes that process.  Chivilry is a natural protector of unborn generations.  Not just of women.

Chivilry is a protector of freedom.

Love is the protector of identity.


I believe what Warren Ferrell states,  that the 'state' is in competition for the role of 'husband' over men.  This is why the demonization of men exists in our society.  Not because of women or even a few radicals of hardcore feminists.   It is a power struggle.  When women choose the state over men their forfiet their freedom and safety to that of the state.  

That is something I would not recomend to young women growing up in this world.  The abuses from the state will literally starve them to death and there will be no men around to protect them.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Ragnar on Dec 12, 2004, 11:14 AM
Dan Lynch.

Maybe you are just a slow learner   :|

Read this article from Gonzman / Pete Jensen

One-Sided Chivalry (http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/j/jensen/03/jensen120103.htm)

and behold!

With a little afterthought you might even recognize a strategy when being presented one.

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY  (http://manpower.blogdrive.com/archive/1.html)
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Dec 12, 2004, 05:55 PM
I lost my Ragnar....still have Krun and Taoth, but alas, no Ragnar.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: angryharry on Dec 12, 2004, 06:58 PM
Hi Ragnar

Quote
Someday I might have the time to learn to make a web-site


Running a website is easy if you get hold of a package like Front Page.

It is just like using a word processor.

The only real differences are that you can add links to your text, and you can post your 'documents' (web 'pages') on to a server (a big computer that always sits online and serves the public with the pages that they request when they click the links).

With Front Page, you post your webpages on to this server just by clicking **one** key.

And that's it!

So, basically, it boils down to this.

You sit in front of a word processor to create a 'page'.

And then you click a key, and off it goes to the server from where it is, thereafter, available to the public.

Harry
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Ragnar on Dec 13, 2004, 11:57 AM
Angryharry.

It's coming, but it's also not going to be a 'one man's work'. There's quite a number of men wanting to set an example by going their own way.

Some of them are working on that web-site.  :!:

Untill then enjoy;

MANPOWER  (http://manpower.blogdrive.com/)

- where you can read about  

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY  (http://manpower.blogdrive.com/archive/1.html)
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: D on Dec 19, 2004, 01:44 PM
Quote from: "Ragnar"
Dan Lynch.

Maybe you are just a slow learner   :|

Read this article from Gonzman / Pete Jensen

One-Sided Chivalry (http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/j/jensen/03/jensen120103.htm)

and behold!

With a little afterthought you might even recognize a strategy when being presented one.

MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY  (http://manpower.blogdrive.com/archive/1.html)



Maybe I am a slow learner.  But considering what it is you want to teach I guess I am glad to take my time.

I didn't mean to imply "chivilry without objectivity.  

You are implying more tribalism not a dissent from any innate virtue.  An Us against Them zero sum.  The battle of the sexes rages on.  

This  battle was designed by elites in places to sit back and watch the whole dumb show.   Even if men win, they lose.  Even if women win, they lose.  Don't you see that by now?

The Minister of Children's Aid (who is also minister of emmigration) is starting up a new reform in adoption.  Children can be adopted into Canada and children can be Adopted out of Canada.  It will cost about $250 000 a head.  4 children equals a million bucks to the corperation of children's services.   Do you still think this is a real war against men and women?
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: netwebresearch on Dec 20, 2004, 08:54 AM
The real problem uis abusive bullies and sick wife beaters and rapists. Politcal correctness has not stilifed debate. It is the politcally incorerct who stifle debate they will probably try to get me chucked off the baord for spekaing OUT against abuse.
www.netwebresearch.com/servicesview
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: The Gonzman on Dec 20, 2004, 09:57 AM
Quote from: "netwebresearch"
The real problem uis abusive bullies and sick wife beaters and rapists. Politcal correctness has not stilifed debate. It is the politcally incorerct who stifle debate they will probably try to get me chucked off the baord for spekaing OUT against abuse.
www.netwebresearch.com/servicesview


Hmmm.  Looks like more Neanderthal-a "Ugh - Woman GOOD, Man BAAAAD" stuff to me.

Tell ya what - go here and find a couple of successive posts by me detailing female on male abuse they start at #6 down the page there.

Now, this isn't the one or two studies the Feminazis always try to dismiss - it's a pretty exhaustive list.

Then you come back and address them first.

Oh - and the advice you give on your page about covering internet tracks - very sloppy and ineffective.  I'd either remove it or hire a pro to give you some real advice to post.
Title: Why Political Correctness was designed to Stifle debate.
Post by: Ragnar on Dec 20, 2004, 02:01 PM
Quote
qoute; "Dan Lynch

You are implying more tribalism not a dissent from any innate virtue.  An Us against Them zero sum.  The battle of the sexes rages on.  

This  battle was designed by elites in places to sit back and watch the whole dumb show.   Even if men win, they lose.  Even if women win, they lose.  Don't you see that by now?"



You still don't get that the strategy isn't a final goal. It is just a tool to break the ranks of feminists and instill masculinity in men!

Forget the Elite-Conspiracy thing. If you stop the problems the Elite supposedly creates - you stop them - if there is a conspiracy!

Chivalry has always been a cheap shot if you are not in a superior position where you can grant the privilege. Outside that, chivalry is the 'cheap whimps' way of advancing his genes, no matter the cost for everyone else. It is probably also a 'legal way' of advancing genes in a jungle environment with a chimpansee-like lifestyle. BUT it isn't so in a civilization created by men.

Men upholding the values of an orderly society and preserving their male values shall not have to bear being attacked insidiously by cheap shots. Before socialism/feminism/political correctness that wasn't a real problem because that kind of chivalrous males weren't valued by women, they knew the difference from help and courtesy coming from real men.

Besides that, real men could then deal with 'chivalry' on the spot when exposed to it.

Without being an independant male with a proper selfesteem that kind of chivalry is simple subjugation and metrosexuality.

Stay tuned to the internet, and you will get the rest of story!