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Post by: Amber on Aug 18, 2003, 12:38 AM
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 01:37 AM
<<And I just wanted to re-iterate - I hate you!!!!

Go to hell asshole!!!!>>

Well, thank you for your insightful and well-reasoned comments.

As to your achievements, congratulations.
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Post by: Amber on Aug 18, 2003, 01:48 AM
You are a perfect example of why Objectivism can never be an enduring philosophy.

The ratio is 9 out 10 Objectivists are male - and most of them are either misogynists like you or homosexual.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 03:14 AM
Didn't you get the memo?   Galt is not only a misogynist, his mom says he is also a homo.   It hurt his poor little feelings, but hell mom knows right?   And you're damned straight he's a fucking misogynist.   Too bad you didn't catch that months ago when he made it obvious.   It's becoming the board norm.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 03:17 AM
Ah-ha.  Now's Anniee's big chance for the board pile on and maybe some drama.  One of the things she really loves in life.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 03:22 AM
The shifting alliances, let me try to figure it out ...

... first UR was at war with Anniee, but then they patched things up and both attacked Devia, Amber, Galt, Brewer's Fan (Teddy Roosevelt), Nebulousone and many others.  But the plot thickened because Amber doesn't like Devia, although both were strategically positioned on the same side against Anniee.  Amber tried to patch things up with Anniee, but always hated UR; the patching attempt failed when Anniee said something mean to her, forcing Amber to fly off in yet another violent temper tantrum.

Now a temporary alliance is developing on Anniee's side, because she can then pile on to Galt.  UR really doesn't like Amber, so he is probably deciding whether to temporarily hide his distaste for Amber to take this chance to pile on to Galt.

Did I get it right?

I'll bring you more news when the startling developments in this case unfold further.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 04:06 AM
You most DEFINITELY have not gotten that story right, from beginning to end.

Good christ, are all you people this stupid?   I don't THINK so; at least I didn't get that impression.  You CLAIMED to have been at shethinks for a long time, so you can't POSSIBLY believe that's an accurate portrayal of events...whatever.

I don't care where Amber or ANYONE on this board stands.   Not a goddamned one, how's that?  They can all drink my piss for all I care.   I think it's a misogynistic shithole, how's that?   The only person I can fucking tolerate here is UR.   OK?  I don't give  a good goddamn about some pile up or some support.   Got it?
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 05:10 AM
Wow. This board is becoming more and more like MS everyday... :roll:
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 05:11 AM
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The only person I can fucking tolerate here is UR.


:cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 05:35 AM
Yes it is; the woman-hating rivals any SCUM manifesto we can hold up in its face.

It's no different than the most radical and man-hating feminism; except it's the mirror image.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 05:39 AM
Hi Anniee.  You said:

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I think it's a misogynistic shithole,


Are you referring to this board?  If so, can you explain why you feel this way?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 05:41 AM
The shifting alliances, let me try to figure it out ...
... first UR was at war with Anniee, but then they patched things up and both attacked Devia, Amber, Galt, Brewer's Fan (Teddy Roosevelt), Nebulousone and many others. -Galt the cunthead



Errrrrmmmm..WRONG. I had a falling out with Anniee long before your sociopath homosexually deviant masturbating carcass came along to SheThinks. Devia came to SheThinks sticking her cumstained puss out just dying for it to get poked with her arrogant/ignorant tirades of social incompetence figuring she had an in because of Jennay and Tambots backstabbing crappolla, and I poked it, 'nuff said. Like I said before, don't cry about what a bad boy old UR is and act all surprised when old UR relocates your snotbox to backside that empty pumpkin you call your skull.

But the plot thickened because Amber doesn't like Devia, although both were strategically positioned on the same side against Anniee. Amber tried to patch things up with Anniee, but always hated UR; the patching attempt failed when Anniee said something mean to her, forcing Amber to fly off in yet another violent temper tantrum.-Galt the cunthead

Strategically? You dumb fuck!! YOU and your BITCH brigade of welfare recipients and breast reductions suckin' a fity cent STO's are all about the plotting, I told Anniee you fucking idiots would eventually eat your own, and I was right. Anniee? I WAS RIGHT!!! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Now a temporary alliance is developing on Anniee's side, because she can then pile on to Galt. UR really doesn't like Amber, so he is probably deciding whether to temporarily hide his distaste for Amber to take this chance to pile on to Galt.- Galt the Cunthead

Listen, Dipshit, I do not now, nor have I EVER needed a fucking alliance, you watch way too much Guiding Light. Get off your balding fat ass and get a job and at least BUY a piece of ass or something for Christ sake!!


Did I get it right? -Galt the Cunthead


Guess, go on, guess!!


I'll bring you more news when the startling developments in this case unfold further.-Galt the Cunthead

Unless it is your mother announcing your first piece of ass and that isn't with a guy named Timmy, I prefer you kept the "On the spot reporting" to yourself.


ANNIEE!!! I TOLD YOU THEY WOULD EAT THEIR OWN!!!!  BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :1blue1:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:05 AM
UR as usual you do it better!  :)

I didn't even CATCH that shit about UR wanting an alliance...I was too busy wondering why he thought **I** wanted one.

UR???????  NEEDING AN ALLIANCE?????   ARE YOU ON FUCKING CRACK?????

Let me tell you something; UR will tell every last person here and everywhere else to fuck themselves running and NEVER give a fuck that no one else in the world is on his side, if that's what he wants to do.   He is the LAST person to give a rat's ass if anyone is on his side.   ANYONE.   You think I came this way?   I LEARNED IT FROM HIM, you idiot!

UR YOU MOST CERTAINLY DID TELL ME THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN!   I knew the masculist shit would get out of line, but YOU knew the dynamics that would come into play.

The power of two bro, power of two.    It ROCKS!
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:10 AM
Yep!!!! It sure does!!!


And don't you like Galts feminist approach to this, all the revisionist history, the "See, anyone who responds is proving me right 'cause I said so" shit?

He is a sally.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:12 AM
Can you blow your saxophone, sally boy, sally boy....can you blow your saxophone, charming sally?   (Rushlimbaugh archives, Billy Boy)
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 06:14 AM
Arghhhh!!!!!!

I sense the end could be near.....Too much infighting. Feminists are probably reading this and laughing. We're in disarray!

P.S

I LOVE you Anniee!!!!!!!  :1luvu: :1luvu:
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:19 AM
They should be laughing, there has been plenty to laugh about for last 4 weeks. Open your eyes, baghead.
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Post by: Teddy_Roosevelt on Aug 18, 2003, 06:53 AM
I'm neither intelligent enough nor interested enough to form alliances with anyone, but I'd have to say I pretty much like everyone here (even you, UR).
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 07:33 AM
I like everyone too.

You people are like family  :wink:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 10:45 AM
annie since you still havent answered Dr Evils question ill ask it myself,you described this board as a mysoginistic shithole,why?

Ive only been here a short time but ive yet to see a single coherant rational statement made by you,its been one endless stream of venom directed towards the posters within threads and now the board as a whole.This is the very thing i came here to fight,a climate that when confronted with difficult questions reacts as you have with the pat venemous responses supplied by an equally venemous movement who themselves are so frightened at the thought of the discussion continuing they immediately way in with mysoginist or rapist,essentially anything to club people over the head with and halt the debate.This of course is nothing new,its an old technique that has supplied us all with a lot of choice words to choose from like sinner,traitor,heretic or everyones favorite unbeliever.So how about annie have you got an argument to present or just one more string of invectives.If its the latter might i suggest you question the length of my penis,thats an approach that seems rather popular these days and i dont believe you've used that one yet.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 11:20 AM
<<If its the latter might i suggest you question the length of my penis,thats an approach that seems rather popular these days and i dont believe you've used that one yet.>>

That's usually one that crops up when things get heated.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 11:26 AM
Actually, that probably WAS an unfair stab at Amber, because I don't know her at all in real life, just from the boards.  But it also wasn't out of the blue, because that's what popped into my head given some of the things she has said over time.

I guess people feel more free to say what they really think on message boards because the consequences are minimal.  It was meant as an observation, not specifically an insult, but the violent reaction (that I have also seen before vis-a-vis other people) makes one think about whether she flies off the handle like that in real life.  Which, in turn, may be an example for the discussion of domestic violence - I have seen a lot of women without self-control, and it's disturbing to think what they may be like with their partners.  All speculation, who knows.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 11:29 AM
<<Ive only been here a short time but ive yet to see a single coherant rational statement made by you,its been one endless stream of venom directed towards the posters within threads and now the board as a whole.>>

I think she used to make a lot of valid points and discuss things early on over at the SheThinks boards.  But it seems to have gone downhill into invective, cussing, extremely crude cliches and all the rest.  I don't really know why.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 12:56 PM
Got anything to say about Galts invectives and absurd assertions, Cain?

Hmmmm.....didn't think so. :roll:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 01:32 PM
Why would you ask ur if you intended to answer for me,or is that the game where now playing,would it now be my turn to answer something for you?


How about you ask a question or make a statement then ill answer,i know its an old fashion approach but i just cant keep up with you youngun's  anymore
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 01:40 PM
Yea, whatever, pinhead.

Here, I'll post your picture instead....

(http://www.weezerville.com/ass.jpg)

How's that, better?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 01:43 PM
Thats the statement.Wow your not giving me alot to chew on are ya?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 01:45 PM
Chew? You have teeth?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 01:46 PM
Yes little one i have two.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 01:49 PM
Little one? Oh, brother!!!  :roll:
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:01 PM
annie since you still havent answered Dr Evils question ill ask it myself,you described this board as a mysoginistic shithole,why? -Caim

Sooooo...since you have decided to speak for Evil, let me give Anniee a break from the idiocy that spews from your sanctimonious trap you call a mouth. What the fuck is it to you why? She has an opinion, it can be just as shallow as yours too, and you don't seem to be losing sleep over your POV, right? If she doesn't want to voice it, she won't, if she does, she does. Until then you can try reading your own hypocrisy as it unravels in your own post to her, hmmm?


I've only been here a short time -Caim


Ok, here is where the bullshit detector goes off, you are full of shit, and you know it and you know we know it, lose the act.

...but ive yet to see a single coherant rational statement made by you,its been one endless stream of venom directed towards the posters within threads and now the board as a whole.This is the very thing i came here to fight,a climate that when confronted with difficult questions reacts as you have with the pat venemous responses supplied by an equally venemous movement who themselves are so frightened at the thought of the discussion continuing they immediately way in with mysoginist or rapist,essentially anything to club people over the head with and halt the debate.

You don't say??? What a MAROON!~~ Read that last paragraph and ask your wee widdwe self what exactly you are doing, idiot. :roll:

This of course is nothing new,its an old technique that has supplied us all with a lot of choice words to choose from like sinner,traitor,heretic or everyones favorite unbeliever.

This of course is a fair statement coming from an asshole who has "only been here a short time". :roll:  

So how about annie have you got an argument to present or just one more string of invectives.

So, how about it Caim, have a clue in life or do you always use a roadmap to scratch your own ass? Nobody with half a clue is going to take your crap as any sort of challenge or serious discussion. You talk shit, and now you read shit. See how it works? LOL.. :lol:

If its the latter might i suggest you question the length of my penis,thats an approach that seems rather popular these days and i dont believe you've used that one yet.-Caim

POT.KETTLE.BLACK
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:15 PM
The problem i have now is that you didnt actually say anything,granted you did actually type in some words but absolutely none of them made any sense.

First asking the same question as Dr Evil isnt the same as speaking for him.Secondly you seem to imply that ive actually been for some time,now you can of course check the member list to see when any one of us registered and yet you challenge the rather straight forward statement "I've only been here a short time" as though you had proof of something otherwise,and why that should have any bearing on this at all is itself something known only to you,perhaps you could explain that.Then the rest just rambles with more insults of course all of which seem to be based on this great insight of yours about me "only being here for a short time"

Deeply impressed by the quality of your argument,i think i actually found three words together that actually made sense.Good for you.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:17 PM
You losers never give up, do you? Check your membership? Which one, asshole? And as far as making sense goes, I told you, and I'll spell it SLOWWWWWWLLLY. You type out stupidity you get more of it to read back at ya....see? Even Devialaine understands that much, and she's an idiot. :lol:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:23 PM
Your right ur,im busted ive actually been lurking here since the late forties.How clever of you to first see the value in figuring that out and then to actually do it,like i said deeply impressed.

And i'm glad to know that deciding who is and who is not the idiot is left in your capable hands,keep up the good work.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:24 PM
I do say I have done a fine job of prompting you into showing your ass for the last three posts.

So, invectives? LOL....What a dolt!!!!
RING!!!

Jump, FiFi, JUMP!!!!!!! :xyxwave:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:28 PM
Yes ur how clever indeed,its a wonder no one else ever considered your strategy of inviting response and then deciding that when others made them,that thats what made you so clever,wow the intellect at work is stunning please show us more.
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Post by: Amber on Aug 18, 2003, 02:29 PM
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I guess people feel more free to say what they really think on message boards because the consequences are minimal. It was meant as an observation, not specifically an insult, but the violent reaction (that I have also seen before vis-a-vis other people) makes one think about whether she flies off the handle like that in real life.


Always Mr. Innocent.  :roll:  

Yes, it was an *insult*.  You've known me for an entire year.  I've worked on getting an engineering degree for the past 5 years.  I've had to work shit jobs to pay rent.  I've never said a dishonest thing in my life.  I'm fundamentally opposed to exploitation.  

I start making comments about cultural conservativism.  I start saying playboy is a bad thing.  I start saying I expect complete loyalty to me in marriage.  I say men who live these kinky single life lifestyles are wrong.  

It sends all sorts of bells off in you.  For the first time, I'm not saying something you agree with.  You're not a family man (obviously, and you don't know a thing about marriage), you're a single guy, and you don't like hearing what I have to say.  The adolescent in you is pissy I'm suggesting men have duties to their families (and these things I've been preaching are things taught to me by Christian men).  So you decide to go personal.   That's exactly what happened.  As far as being malicious or violent, you corner your share of the market.  

You blame it on my inherit femaleness.  You call me a gold digger.  You just completely dismiss whatever you know about me, and project your uncanny hatred of women unto me.  Yeah, Galt ... that hurt!  Playing Mr. Innocent Nice Guy now, persecuted by the irrational wrath of a female doesn't fly.  

Dr. Evil, *this* is why we consider the board woman-hating.  Personal insults.  All the blabber from Galt and possibly others on this board, in which they talk about females in the abstract, about how evil they are ... they aren't talking about 'other' women, they are talking about *us*.  As was just evidenced by what Galt said to me.  I have no problem with people complaining about cultural trends, and I agree many women today are immoral, but they direct it at all[/i] women.  Including us. I know I don't deserve it, and I don't appreciate it.  

I'm glad Galt moved to Europe.  I hope he takes Fred Reed with him.

But now it's my fault.  :roll:  I'm the 'violent' one.

Yes, I was violent with you.  You deserved it.  You can't handle being Mr. Unpopular, shown as being a jerk.  It drives you insane.  I ripped your pants off and showed you as the woman hater you are.  So you project it back on me, making me the bad guy.

Stop it.  Stop it right now.  Do the manly thing and apologize to me.  You went after a board regular that everyone likes.  That will never leave you.  I hope whenever anyone thinks of you, they think of Galt, the irrational man who, without compassion or carefulness, called Amber a needy, dependent man-enslaver, who wants a life of boringness in an unhappy marriage, just to be taken care of.  

The apology would be accepted, but a guy like you would not be welcome back in my life.    

People like Galt do just as much to divide the sexes as the feminists.  

I know a lot of guys like this in the Objectivist movement.  They are drawn to Objectivism, not because they like the philosophy, and support living a rational, heroic life (as evidenced by the fact that Galt has said if he could, he would be a gold digger), instead they are just paranoid about people taking their money.  They usually hate women too.  One guy I knew in particular, I couldn't figure out if he was gay or just extremely misogynist.  I think the latter.  Very good looking, very handsome ... and with no women!  Shit, I like the Playboy Objectivist I know, who has 3-4 girls a month better than this guy or Galt.  It's really just bizarre, and this misogyny is something they need to work on.  Objectivism cannot fly if it completely dismisses 51% of the population.  

Although Objectivism has a lot to offer women.  Objectivist women are usually very pretty and very smart [Christine Stolba has been featured in Objecitivst book letters, if it is any barometer.  Also check out www.sandrashaw.com ... oh, and http://www.personal.psu.edu/amp237/Pictures.html).  Kind of like ... they have the success and smarts of Jewish women, but feminine good looks.  It's a dynamic combo.  Too bad more Objectivists aren't more like me or Ayn Rand, who want to see the best for women, instead of just being permanent woman haters, like Galt.  


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Which, in turn, may be an example for the discussion of domestic violence -



And now I'm a man-batterer.  :roll:  

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I have seen a lot of women without self-control, and it's disturbing to think what they may be like with their partners. All speculation, who knows.



And it always come back to evil women.  :roll:


Is there some catchy popular phrase to describe that "There are just plain some assholes in life, let them be and don't worry about them?"

I doubt America has that kind of quote.  You'd probably have to go to Europe to find it.  

Ahhh, I feel better.

Amber (American woman, and goddamned proud of it).
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:29 PM
This is your fucking game, idiot. You wanted to roast someone here while doing just that yourself, don't like it? Don't do it to others. By the way, I could care less how much you think you are hurting my feelings, it's rather funny, actually. You are WAY too easy.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:31 PM
Yes when you run out of things to say, tell us all how easy it is for you.I know im conviced.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:35 PM
I've never said a dishonest thing in my life.  I'm fundamentally opposed to exploitation. -Amber

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh no? Check out my siggy line, theres a clue~~LOL~~~~ :lol:



 




Stop it.  Stop it right now.  Do the manly thing and apologize to me. -Amber

LOL....WTF is that????? I don't like the dipshit myself but who the fuck said being a man is to apologize to the likes of you? What a waste of college funds!!



(American woman, and goddamned proud of it)-Amber

Yea, Lynnebob says he's an American woman too. :P
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:36 PM
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Yes when you run out of things to say, tell us all how easy it is for you.I know im conviced.


I'm convinced you know nothing about starting a sentence properly.



BTW, what is "im"??:scratchchin:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:38 PM
Well at least your convinced of something,its to bad you have no ideas about how to express any of that.Come on ur show us some more venom its like front row seats at the circus.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:41 PM
Ok, I have seen your best, now it's just another one of Pavlovs little doggie acts.

Ok, one more time before I go have a nice big juicy steak and a cold beer.  

One more time for old UR, listen for the bell....


RING!!!!

JUMP FIFI JUMP!!!!!
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:44 PM
Oh no i better not respond cus ur told me to,wow now thats pathetic,and i also love the fact that you are trying the old spelling errors attack its not only pathetic but you should really look back over your own posts before you try that one.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:45 PM
Hehehe....right on cue. :laugh2:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:47 PM
Yep and heres another,lets see what you can do with this one,what nothing, oh no come on ur just when its starting to be fun.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 02:56 PM
Evil, is Cain a 12 year old? I just wanted to check before I get a lecture about picking on children.

It's ok if you tell me if its an intellectual midget, you know, 41 year old fat balding guy with a 12 year old mind. You being a man of practice and all....LOL... :lol:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 02:58 PM
Now theres wit and here i thought i would never see it,once again you impress us all.Well done a round of applause please.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 03:13 PM
Amber - Sorry I missed your post.  You wrote:

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You blame it on my inherit femaleness. You call me a gold digger. You just completely dismiss whatever you know about me, and project your uncanny hatred of women unto me. Yeah, Galt ... that hurt! Playing Mr. Innocent Nice Guy now, persecuted by the irrational wrath of a female doesn't fly.

Dr. Evil, *this* is why we consider the board woman-hating. Personal insults. All the blabber from Galt and possibly others on this board, in which they talk about females in the abstract, about how evil they are ... they aren't talking about 'other' women, they are talking about *us*. As was just evidenced by what Galt said to me. I have no problem with people complaining about cultural trends, and I agree many women today are immoral, but they direct it at all women. Including us. I know I don't deserve it, and I don't appreciate it.



Can you give me a link to the quotes you are referring to?  The ones about "how evil women are"?  I'd like to see what you are talking about.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 03:22 PM
Women are repusively evil.  But for some reason I keep hitting on them.

Some of them have nice cookies I guess.

Galt.  Get over it, whatever it is, its not making you happy by dwelling on it.

Go after Marion Boyd for me will ya, now she's a real fucking peice of work.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 03:26 PM
Amber, I said above that it was probably too strong to write what I did, and I DON'T know you in real life, so I probably shouldn't have written something that sounds insulting without much real hard evidence.

Since you have also thrown some things my way, I think we're both going to have to give up now.  You got your chance to tell me everything you think is wrong with me (although you likewise know very little about me in reality), so let's call it a draw, shake hands and both quit.

We agree on a lot of other things, but we are 180 degrees out of phase with this one particular issue.  Since we both don't have enough time or energy to think up ways to insert passive-aggressive, deniable snarks to each other in posts, maybe we should tip-toe around that one topic for awhile.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 18, 2003, 03:31 PM
<<Galt. Get over it, whatever it is, its not making you happy by dwelling on it.>>

I didn't even know I was dwelling on anything.  I'm giving my opinion, and one particular issue seems to raise a lot of hackles here, with men and women.

I think the problem is that the approach here seems to be that there is a lot of complaining about the family courts, with an emphasis on changing that, and very little examination of whether someone should frivolously jump into something that could open him up to that in the first place.

But I'll leave it now.  It's a bad topic for the time being.

<<Go after Marion Boyd for me will ya, now she's a real fucking peice of work.>>

I don't know who she is, but I don't even like her name.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 05:56 PM
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Can you give me a link to the quotes you are referring to?  The ones about "how evil women are"?  I'd like to see what you are talking about.


I have NEVER seen someone who could play the passive-aggressive shit like you can, evil.  NEVER.   I thought my husband was good at it, but he's an amateur compared to you.

You know exactly what she's talking about and you know exactly what we mean so how about cutting the passive-aggressive bullshit?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:00 PM
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.If its the latter might i suggest you question the length of my penis,thats an approach that seems rather popular these days and i dont believe you've used that one yet.


No, and you won't see me do so.   I don't play that game.   You're confusing me with all the *other* evil women you so hate.   Not my song, not my dance.   You can't separate good women from evil ones; tough shit on you.   You fraud.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 06:09 PM
Anniee - I asked you a question some time ago on this thread and you have yet to respond.  You seem to have accused this forum of being misogynist.  That's a fairly strong statement.  How about backing it up with some reasons.  Why do you feel that way?  Evidence?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:12 PM
See The Uselessness of Women or Dan's rape rantings, or anything Galt says.   Amber stated it pretty damned well on the last page or so; did you even fucking LISTEN?    

If you are not just playing one HUGE MIND-FUCK then you are the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever met.   I prefer to believe you're trying a mind-fuck; but it won't work with me, Evil.   You should know better than that.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 06:16 PM
Thats actually the question we would like answered,basically why we are being described by you so consistantly and irrationally as hating women.Now instead of answering you simply make the same tired old accusations while at the same time denying the games you play at the same time your still playing them.And your accusation of being a fraud is relavant how exactly?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:36 PM
I like how this dipshit argues like Lynnebob. Even when everyone says "Look, Lynnebob, eat shit and die"///// Old Lynnebob takes that as some kind of happy horseshit proof anyone gives a fuck what he's saying.

What a maroon. :lol:
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 06:37 PM
Anniee - We see things very differently.  I never saw Dan's outrageous claim that men had the right to rape as anything but an exageration to make a point.  I think he has said as much since then.  The "uselessness of women" thread was a copy of an article that was titled "The Uselessness of Women."  If you want to point a finger at misogyny it's the author of the article you might want to blame.  My reading of it though is that the title was calling attention to the senseless killing of young girl babies in China.   The article was ridiculous since it left out the important cultural imperatives in China that it is the boys who inherit and carry on the family's tradition.  Without boys the family dies, without boys the old people have no one to care for them and are shamed as they rot on the vine.  The families are left in a terrible bind and therefore the girls are a death sentence to them.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:40 PM
That's why I didn't answer the question in the first place.  It wasn't an invitation to discussion but simple BAIT by a passive aggressive.   I wasn't willing to take the bait, and the replies show exactly why.   No one of course even addressed Amber's valid concerns about the misogyny.

Needless to say, anyone who could have sat through the rape discussions and the endless bitching about how evil women are by Galt and Dan and NOT see it is either retarded or absolutely dishonest.

Nuff said; I'm not playing the game.  I'm calling a spade a spade.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:42 PM
Well, it is feminist practice that all men are worthless and deserve to eat shit with the birds, still you don't seem to like THAT, do you? And Daniel has done NOTHING but backpedal from the same shit he has said over and over on SheThinks.

If the article or anyone even using it as a point of reference to make an extreme point where on Ms. against men, you would blat like a schoolgirl who dropped her lollypop.

Wake up, we're not the fools you think we are, Tom.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:44 PM
Yes, evil, you want to argue it point by point without acknowledging the totality.   Well guess what, I don't do that.   I have a global way of looking at things.

"I never saw Dan's outrageous claim that men had the right to rape as anything but an exageration to make a point."

AND I TOLD YOU A DOZEN TIMES THAT I DIDN'T EITHER; THAT NOTHING I SAID HINGED ON THAT PARTICULAR PART OF HIS STATEMENTS.   THAT THAT ONE PHRASE WAS COMPLETELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT TO THE PROBLEM.   But you don't HEAR that part.   And I don't care what was hyperbole; it was evil and that's all there is to it.   The TOTALITY of his argument was evil.    And normal people don't make statements like that.   I was willing, though, and have indeed, LET GO THAT PART OF IT and addressed the totality of what he said on the topic.

He backpedalled like a poor put-upon little boy and it was pathetic.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 06:45 PM
I only posted the uselessness of women thread because I saw it on http://www.kittennews.com and I thought it would make good discussion topic. If I would have known it would have caused offence I wouldn't have posted it.

I apologise.  :cry:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 06:45 PM
THANK YOU UR; you hit the nail spot on the fucking head.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 06:54 PM
Both Cain and I are asking for explanations of your accusation.  I have asked the same of Amber.  I am still waiting for something of substance.  Claims like "Everything Dan said" are not really very helpful.  It seems that you are focusing on Dan and Galt but your initial accusations are directed towards the entire board.   Seems like you are lumping in everyone on the board including me.  Give me some examples of all of the rest of us.  If you are going to accuse us all let's hear your complaints about all of us.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:55 PM
I gotta be me. URwelkum!!! :wink:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 06:56 PM
Oh ur back again,and back with such clever language dipshit eatshit and horseshit no wonder you saved it up till now,bravo.And please continue because we do really care what you have to say.

Annie it would seem that according to you normal people intentionally ignore the statements proper context in order to define the statements as evil,as Dr Evil said and as was quite clear from Dans thread the statement was made for a reason and that reason still stands.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 06:58 PM
Who is "we"?? You and a mouse in your pocket?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:00 PM
The we is the collective we sunshine, all the happy campers that read your hilarious posts.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:01 PM
I have to provide comic relief from the obvious strain from reading yours.  Sorry, I wasn't your teacher, and if I were your Dad I would have made you do your homework.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:02 PM
"And Daniel has done NOTHING but backpedal from the same shit he has said over and over on SheThinks."


Go fuck yourself shithead, I never backpeddled anything.  I nailed a tuff topic, better than a weasel like yourself can do.

You want a peice of me?  I'll fucking fly to Alabama and kick the shit out of you for fun.  Can't deal with the issue?  Stay off the thread.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:02 PM
To bad you can't provide any logic in your posts,but i guess mindless pettyness has got you this far
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:03 PM
Eat me. Come and get it, pussy. :lol:
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:03 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
To bad you can't provide any logic in your posts,but i guess mindless pettyness has got you this far


Sorry, I guess it's just over your head. :lol:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:05 PM
Yes clearly, id be willing to bet "your" logic is missed by everyone,and by the way were you inviting Dan to come eat your pussy or did you have something else in mind
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Post by: radicalangel on Aug 18, 2003, 07:06 PM
The views I've seen on here seem to be predominantly non-feminist or anti-feminist, but I don't really think that anyone here hates women.  

Anniee and Amber (if the latter is still around), I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on any misogyny at this board (also, what you think constitutes misogyny in general, as opposed to the feminist view), and I don't mean this in any hostile way.  Merely curious.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:07 PM
Wow, you're dislexic too? What a bummer.LMAO!!!!



Hey, Danny boy, I'm here, come kick my ass, LMAO!!!!!

What a pussy you are, Dan.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:08 PM
Yes ive always had trouble with irrational little boys,they just never make any sense some how
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:09 PM
Does that mean you and Dan won't be running off into the sunset hand in hand? Awww...shucks.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:11 PM
No actually that means that the trouble is with you,you see your irrational and petty,hence the trouble see how that works
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 07:11 PM
Wow. This is getting out of hand.

Let's all sit down and have a nice cup of tea.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:12 PM
I'm just here to get my post count up
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:14 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
No actually that means that the trouble is with you,you see your irrational and petty,hence the trouble see how that works


Ok, let me help a little here "you see you're irrational"

Now I know no one here is perfect, but you are simply fucking stupid.LOL!!!!


I hope Dan doesn't go all the way to Bammy to kick my ass, he might get all confused and kick Byrons ass instead. Try the the Northeastern States, Dan.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:15 PM
I know you are but what am i,is that what i just read.Holy shit man thats pathetic,come on ill give you another try.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:15 PM
"He backpedalled like a poor put-upon little boy and it was pathetic."


I produced evidence that feminist organizations in fact want to legalize the rape of men and enforce it by the state.  No one has commented on that.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:18 PM
Hey, Dan, did they teach you all that control at your Karate Do Do meetings? LMAO.

You didn't nail a fucking thing you pansy ass crybaby. You nailed a bullseye to your wimpy ass saying " I can't get laid so I rape little girls".

Come on, Danny boy....come kick this ass, LMAO....You're too easy.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:19 PM
Ya everyones to easy for you ur
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:19 PM
Real men I've showed that stuff to were absolutely appalled and shocked.   They aren't desensitized to it the way I am.  

Real men don't need to rape to get laid.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:20 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Ya everyones to easy for you ur


You sure make it easy.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:20 PM
Neither do we but we do need to talk about the issue without having to deal with accusations of "rapist"
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:20 PM
FYI Cain; yeah you people are pretty much amateurs at the mind-fuck game.   You don't even come close to fooling anyone; so yeah it's too easy.   Too easy to get you to do nothing but spew invective during your little games when they backfire.    Easy. as. pie.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:21 PM
A coward like you would never let on where they live, UR.  

Anniee's emotions on this thread are because of her own previous experiences.

She doesn't corner the market.  

I want to talk about the subject and raise some interesting facts.  Whats the big deal?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:21 PM
Ya i make it easy and you make it simple"so simple"
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:21 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Neither do we but we do need to talk about the issue without having to deal with accusations of "rapist"


So, talk about it and while you're at it, ask Dannyboy to leave the "Right to rape" concept out of the topic, mmmmkay?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:22 PM
Radical Angel I would actually be happy to discuss this with you, but to be honest not here.   You can PM me and I'll send you my email address, ok?   Thanks.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:22 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Ya i make it easy and you make it simple"so simple"


Thank you, and I didn't think you noticed how simple you are. There is hope after all, eh?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:23 PM
actually no not okay, it was a valid question that highlited a very real problem.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:23 PM
Why would anybody be interested in "mind-fuck-games"?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:23 PM
Dan I WISH it were only emotion; I never rely on emotional reactions when making judgments.   It's far too unreliable.   YOU are the one who is so emotionally crippled you don't even SEE the problem with your own though processes.   It's quite frightening, actually.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:23 PM
Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
A coward like you would never let on where they live, UR.  

Anniee's emotions on this thread are because of her own previous experiences.

She doesn't corner the market.  

I want to talk about the subject and raise some interesting facts.  Whats the big deal?


Well, you are so sure you can kick my ass, I have nothing to prove, Dannyboy.

You made a public announcement, come and get it or shut your mouth.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:24 PM
"So, talk about it and while you're at it, ask Dannyboy to leave the "Right to rape" concept out of the topic, mmmmkay?"


Clearly it can't be done.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:25 PM
Was that yet one more i know you are but what am i responses,your slipping ur oh thats right thats always been the problem
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:25 PM
"Real men don't need to rape to get laid."


So who said anything about it?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:26 PM
Just like you backing up your bunny rabbit ass with your alligator mouth, clearly, it can't be done. :lol:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:26 PM
Amber, UR and I aren't the only ones who see the obvious, BTW.   There are others you won't even hear from who just got disgusted and said "fuck it".
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:26 PM
"You made a public announcement, come and get it or shut your mouth."


<Dannyboy goes over and kicks UR's ass>
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:27 PM
If we're talking about fistfights, Dan you're no match for UR LMAO.   Trust me you'd get your dick handed to you in a jar.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 07:27 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
Real men I've showed that stuff to were absolutely appalled and shocked.   They aren't desensitized to it the way I am.  

Real men don't need to rape to get laid.


I was shocked too. And I'm pretty much close to being a woman hater.  :wink:

Y'know and there was me thinking my AFA thread was extreme.... :roll:
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:28 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
Amber, UR and I aren't the only ones who see the obvious, BTW.   There are others you won't even hear from who just got disgusted and said "fuck it".


Yep, there's nothing to see here, folks. I'm getting bored.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:31 PM
Analog I DID notice that, and don't think it went unappreciated.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:31 PM
So is that it little boy?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:31 PM
Answer her, Dan.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:34 PM
have you changed your name to Dan? or wait are you trying to tell us your posting as Dan,thats it isnt it ur.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:35 PM
Anniee, can you make any sense from what this stupid bitch is saying?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:36 PM
Not really; it acts a lot like tumor-ick.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:36 PM
I guess your having that logic problem again.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:37 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
Not really; it acts a lot like tumor-ick.



Yep, sure does.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:37 PM
"If we're talking about fistfights, Dan you're no match for UR LMAO. Trust me you'd get your dick handed to you in a jar."


Did you say that with pompoms, Anniee?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:37 PM
It can't spell or conjugate either.   Just like tumor.   I wouldn't waste my time on it.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:38 PM
Dan I know how that sounded...but I'm actually quite serious.   It's a dumb thing to threaten online anyway.   Why can't you be a man and admit you were wrong?   Why backpedal and whine and cry and play the victim?  You're worse than any leftist.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:39 PM
Oh no a spelling attack, the last bastion of all intelectual cowards how very appropriate
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:41 PM
More of a literacy attack.  You're barely literate.   Spelling is a different issue.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:42 PM
Considering the source, i'll thank you for the compliment
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:43 PM
It's almost like kicking a small retarded black child, isn't it, Anniee? Old Cain is almost too simple to bother with.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:45 PM
Oh a racist, well of course, its all that venom with no were to go,glad we could help you get it out ur
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 07:45 PM
Most of my woman bashing comments, which I admit, I 've made a few. I never intended them to be serious. Never take anything I say serious. I'm the big joke. I mean look, I wear a f--king bag on my head!

So I like to take this time to completely apologise for anything I've ever said that ever offended anyone. My aim here was to to be the joker, the class clown and sometimes my poor excuse for sarcasm does go over the top.

me=sorry.  :oops:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:46 PM
Ur -

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA


(http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/lach.gif)
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:47 PM
Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
"You made a public announcement, come and get it or shut your mouth."


<Dannyboy goes over and kicks UR's ass>



What is this, Dan? Is this you acting out a scene from West Side Story? Are you going dance around like a fairy, clicking your fingers, singing and moaning about kicking ass? Get on with it, already!!! :lol:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:48 PM
As I said, Analog, I noted your response and I did appreciate it.

And I hope Dr. Evil didn't miss the fact that others have simply seen the misogyny and left without a word.   You won't hear from them, but it's far from just the few here who see it.

Evil wake up.   Stop playing games.  It. Is. Fucking. Obvious.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:48 PM
Yea, I'm a racist, so what? What are you? Tell me so I can hate that too.LMAO!!!!
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:49 PM
"Dan I know how that sounded...but I'm actually quite serious. It's a dumb thing to threaten online anyway. Why can't you be a man and admit you were wrong? Why backpedal and whine and cry and play the victim? You're worse than any leftist."


Because I don't think I was wrong.  Many others seen what I was saying, so how in fact could I be back peddling?  I already apologized, what the fuck do you want?  

I know you were raped, that isn't the issue , Anniee.  The issue was stated several dozen times.  

If we go by the feminist assertion that all men everywhere are rapists and thats all they are we should logically come to the conclusion that its a biological hard wireing.

So, by sending all men to prison isn't solving the problem, can't we look deeper into the issue to find out what exactly is going on here?

So if its "biological" than why are men criminalized for their hormones and women are let off the hook for theirs?  Is there a connection?

In the end, we want to end murders of children by their mothers (which is 100Xs worse than any rape) and stop men from raping women.  

Perhaps even consider the fact that women can rape men.  In the case I cited , women want to rape men via state enforcement.  

To back up here, the issue is very confrontational, but it should be brought out into the open.  Its feminists that encourage an entire society to avoide it, simply so they can utilize it and stunt our growth developement.  

I take the risks because I love women.  I know that chivilry is the answer.  But we have to learn what protects women and men and what doesn't.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:49 PM
Analog those outrageous comments have value because we live with a political that defines every critisism as hate.So pushing the statements themselves is a direct attack on that system.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:50 PM
Quote from: "Analog Worms"
Most of my woman bashing comments, which I admit, I 've made a few. I never intended them to be serious. Never take anything I say serious. I'm the big joke. I mean look, I wear a f--king bag on my head!

So I like to take this time to completely apologise for anything I've ever said that ever offended anyone. My aim here was to to be the joker, the class clown and sometimes my poor excuse for sarcasm does go over the top.

me=sorry.  :oops:


I took your thread as a poke at fun, I wasn't offended by it.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 07:51 PM
ur you dont need me to teach you how to hate,your doing fine on your own
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 07:52 PM
Tell me where you live UR.

I'll come kick your ass for fun.  Since Im such a good sport I'll buy the beer afterwards.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 07:53 PM
Again, Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz right over Dan's head.   You've never heard a word any of us have said, Dan.  People are leaving in droves, especially women.  Which is fine; if you want to have a men's crybaby board, more power to you.   You can sit here and whine all day about how evil women are oppressing you.    Some of us have fought AGAINST that very thing, but you just forget all about that because your views have become so skewed by your full vesicles that you can't think straight.

So be it.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:53 PM
Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
Tell me where you live UR.

I'll come kick your ass for fun.  Since Im such a good sport I'll buy the beer afterwards.


New Hampshire.


Look me up, and when you buy the Beer, you buy my brand, ok?

That is the least you can do for making me kick your ass.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 07:57 PM
Radical Angel wrote:

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The views I've seen on here seem to be predominantly non-feminist or anti-feminist, but I don't really think that anyone here hates women.


Thank you RA for your support.  I agree with you on this 100%.  I have been asking Anniee and Amber to clarify their accusations and have yet to see much evidence supporting their claims.  I am thinking that all of this nastiness is simply a cover-up for hurt feelings.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 07:59 PM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Radical Angel wrote:

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The views I've seen on here seem to be predominantly non-feminist or anti-feminist, but I don't really think that anyone here hates women.


Thank you RA for your support.  I agree with you on this 100%.  I have been asking Anniee and Amber to clarify their accusations and have yet to see much evidence supporting their claims.  I am thinking that all of this nastiness is simply a cover-up for hurt feelings.



LOL!!!!


Hurt feelings?? Oh, man.... I can't speak for our resident engineer, but, come on, that's lame.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 08:02 PM
Thank you mr worms for clarifying what you and I already knew, that you are indeed a great clown and exagerator.  I have enjoyed your nonsense and whimsy.  Often your humor has made a point when other methods wouldn't have come close.  You are indeed mature to apologize and take responsibility for your actions.  Thank you.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:03 PM
Yea, that was nice, especially seeing as no one was offended by his thread. :roll:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:04 PM
Wow are you pathetic Analog was apologizing for the contents of a thread annie identified as offensive,try to keep up ur
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:06 PM
No, dope, she found Dans shit offensive, THE REACTIONS TO IT. Not Worms posting it.

Go lay by your dish.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:07 PM
Sorry but you are wrong yet again,The women are useless thread was specifically identified,maybe you should try keeping notes or something
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:07 PM
Thanks Evil  :)

The only blantant misogny I've seen on this board was the right to rape thread. That and my silly attempts at sarcasm :)

I don't think this board comes close to the foulness of the MS. boards. But still. The last thing we need to to drive people away.

I really enjoy it here and I thought we had a good community spirit.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:08 PM
I think we have great community spirit. Isn't the community where you live a lot like this?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:09 PM
Thats what i thought when i first arrived Analog,that is until i started reading the posts of these two
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:09 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Wow are you pathetic Analog was apologizing for the contents of a thread annie identified as offensive,try to keep up ur


hey hey. Don't have a go at me. I'm just trying to make peace. I hate to see this board go belly up.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:09 PM
Well Evil you're more of a prick than I thought then.  For years I DEFENDED you masculists against charges of misogyny.  

And then when I actually SEE it and it becomes PERVASIVE on the board, you close your eyes and say "What?  Who?  Us?  Huh?"  Fuck you then.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:11 PM
Sorry Analog there should be a comma before your name,it wasnt directed at you but at ur.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:13 PM
Analog i would also like to see this place thrive,but in order for that to happen we need to be able to discuss hard issues without the constant accusations.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:14 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Sorry Analog there should be a comma before your name,it wasnt directed at you but at ur.


Yeah. I just realised that. I'm tired (it's like 4am). So I kinda missed read it. :)
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 08:15 PM
Anniee - You still are not answering the basic question.  You have accused not just some of the members here but the entire board as being misogynist.  You have yet to give any concrete reasons for that accusation.  Instead you simply call people names.  Name calling doesn't do much for helping us understand.  If we hate women so intently it should be simple for you to give us some links of examples of this.  Come on, let's see them.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:17 PM
Wonder who "we" is all of a sudden.   Guess Cain isn't so new after all.   For years, as I said, I DEFENDED you masculists against charges of misogyny.    Then when I actually SEE it, I dare not SAY anything about it or I'm a disruptive accusor who won't tackle the hard issues.   You're full of shit; I've ALWAYS tackled these fucking issues and for a long time I've been on this side of them.

But crossing the line into this bullshit woman hating is too far.   I didn't take it from feminists and I sure as hell don't take it from masculists.    I've fought on your side way too long to have THAT fucking accusation fly.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:17 PM
Well, Anniee, I don't think you said RA, myself, Cogent, Amber or Adrienne are woman haters, did you? I guess that pisses on the " You called the whole board...." idea, eh?
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:18 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Analog i would also like to see this place thrive,but in order for that to happen we need to be able to discuss hard issues without the constant accusations.


I agree completely.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:19 PM
The board being discussed ur is the atmosphere created by the people and the things said by them,it doesnt have to include you in order to be true
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 08:19 PM
mr worms said:

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I hate to see this board go belly up.


LOL!  Don't worry about that tonight!  This sort of disagreement creates a frenzy of activity and brings in people.  Just look at the hit totals for this thread.  Sadly, people love conflict like this.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:20 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
The board being discussed ur is the atmosphere created by the people and the things said by them,it doesnt have to include you in order to be true


Ok, so what about the others, then? And what exactly makes what you say stick any more than what I or anyone else says? And is your name Tom? When you mention the atmosphere of the board, it includes ALL members, not just a select few, jackass.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:21 PM
No, UR I did not.   When the owner of the board pretends he hasn't seen it despite its being pervasive, then you say "the board".   Specific people; of course not.   But the ones who have seen it and haven't dared to say anything (rightly so, obviously) have simply left in disgust.   They of course don't hate women; and that's why they aren't posting.   Not speaking for coGENT; I know he's not a woman hater but I have no idea where he is.   But I do know of people who've left in disgust; and they of course are the ones who aren't misogynist.   Hope that makes sense lol.

Anyway, those of us who were stupid enough to take a stand are just here getting pissed on for it.    But hell it passes the time right?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:22 PM
Its not about you or me,its about the things said about the board as a whole,statements like this is a mysoginistic shithole bring out the value of the board as a whole and thats why its being discussed that way.And no im  not Tom
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:22 PM
Yea, it passes the time. And I like to piss idiots off, it makes their minions go bonkers, just ask Cain.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:24 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
Its not about you or me,its about the things said about the board as a whole,statements like this is a mysoginistic shithole bring out the value of the board as a whole and thats why its being discussed that way.And no im  not Tom


You sure argue like a Msery.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:24 PM
And you sure speak like a fool, a dedicated one at that.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:25 PM
And evil...you can't make that fly.   You were here, you've been in those threads; you saw everything I said and everything Amber said and even everything Alicia said.   You chose not to care.   Even when we say "what about this" it becomes obvious you merely asked to shoot down the very idea.    Because the questions you've been asking aren't questions at all but a bait, an attempt to suck people into a mind-fuck.  It's passive-aggressive and you've always done it that way, both here and at shethinks.    I let it go before, because I thought you had redeeming qualities to make up for it.    I did not know your denial went this deep.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:25 PM
Quote from: "Cain"
And you sure speak like a fool, a dedicated one at that.


Yea, uh huh....go fetch me a beer, stupid.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:26 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
But crossing the line into this bullshit woman hating is too far.   I didn't take it from feminists and I sure as hell don't take it from masculists.    I've fought on your side way too long to have THAT fucking accusation fly.


The only woman hating and I apologise for not being able to see the bigger picture here, but the only blantant woman hating were littered in mostly dan's comments. I apologise again for mine. I didn't mean any harm by them.

But I agree. Woman hating is not the way to go. We need as many people as possible to help combat the destructive nature of feminism. The last thing we need is to alienate the very people we need as allies.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:27 PM
Yea. Maybe I should ask Tom one of his old questions, "Are you feeling victimized, Tom?". LMAO!!!!! :lol:
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:27 PM
I suddenly got the image of ur with his hand up his nose to the wrist,matches beautifully with his last post.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:28 PM
THANK you analog; I have been trashed (or passively aggressively "questioned") for saying exactly that.   And anyone who is honest KNOWS I've been an ally.   A strong one.   You are absolutely right.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:28 PM
I take it you have memories of Dad doing that around the dinner table as he smacks yer ma on the ass?


Oh, that's right, you don't know yer pappy!!
Bummer.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:30 PM
No it was an image created entirely by your idiocy
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:31 PM
Talk to someone about that, really. There is help out there.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:31 PM
LMAO UR.

Oh, and analog; I knew galt was a misogynist back from shethinks.   I tried very hard not to know it; to be as supportive as possible; but it blew up in my face because he doesn't like women.  At. All.    So some of this obviously isn't JUST coming from here (and Dan's horrible reasoning) but goes back to things we already knew.

Also when the owner of a board sees those things, knows all about them, supports them...then plays a mindfuck on anyone who dares speak up about it, it characterizes the board as a whole, not just Dan or Galt.   It becomes the officially sanctioned view.   Which is why I said what I did.   ANYONE who has dared say "OMG that was fucked up" has heard, "Really?  What exactly do you find that was bad about it?  I see it as...(insert inanity).   Can you give me an example of what you're talking about here?"   It's bullshit and he's always pulled it.  This time he pulled it on something I won't back down on.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 18, 2003, 08:32 PM
Well, we can't go very far if you won't discuss things Anniee.  Making generalizations about how "I was there" doesn't do much to help us understand why you think this group are misogynists.  It seems you are not interested in discussion.  

Good night.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:32 PM
Talk to someone about what ur,are you having another conversation and not telling us,perhaps with yourself?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:32 PM
Give Cain a warm glass of milk before you tuck her in, ok, Doc?
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:33 PM
Rambling to pacify your demons little one?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 18, 2003, 08:34 PM
Goodnight, Anniee, RA, Worms.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 08:34 PM
We tried to discuss it as it was happening Doc.   You didn't care.   Amber tried to be very open and give a full explanation here.  You didn't care.  All we got were more inane questions that aren't questions.   Nice try; yes you'd better call it a night because the facade of composure is about to crack.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:34 PM
I had no idea people were leaving. It's not until I saw this thread that it becomes apparant that things are not well.

I am fairly new at this. I joined the shethinks board about a few months before it closed down. So I'm not aware of all the old discussions and arguments between you all.
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Post by: Cain on Aug 18, 2003, 08:37 PM
No goodnight for me ur,im hurt
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 08:54 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
Oh, and analog; I knew galt was a misogynist back from shethinks.   I tried very hard not to know it; to be as supportive as possible; but it blew up in my face because he doesn't like women.  At. All.    So some of this obviously isn't JUST coming from here (and Dan's horrible reasoning) but goes back to things we already knew.


I understand the anger at dan's comments. But I never really pictured Galt as a woman hater. Apart from maybe his dislike of american women ( http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 ) I thought he was pretty alright.

I dunno. Maybe I'm not reading enough into it. I'm pretty self absorbed. Nothing's making sense right now.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 09:12 PM
"Again, Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz right over Dan's head. You've never heard a word any of us have said, Dan. People are leaving in droves, especially women. Which is fine; if you want to have a men's crybaby board, more power to you. You can sit here and whine all day about how evil women are oppressing you. Some of us have fought AGAINST that very thing, but you just forget all about that because your views have become so skewed by your full vesicles that you can't think straight. "


All that does is prove my point.  The issue can not be discussed about in an adult like manner.  Do you think I give a fuck that the men's movement lost "allies" because of my statements?  If they left because of that, they were never really there.  

The laws that feminists have created are now turning against women, as I has said a million times.  If they left its because they hold onto the rape card as a power source.  They think they are the only ones entitled to it.  They are not, neither are you.  

I brought up dozens of comments for them to articulate their opinions on.  What do they choose to comment on, yet over and over?  A comment that calls it like it is.

Nothing went over my head.  You just won't let it go because its the only pathetic peice of string you have to hold on to.

Im not going to stop talking about the issue, ever.  I know what Im saying is the truth.  None of us were directing anything at you.  Adrienne jumped on me and I returned.  Than you stuck your beak into it before you even knew what was going on.  

I no longer give a shit.   Not all women lie.  But many women, and the majority in our current culteral climate, lie about it, for at least 4 reasons.

Am I calling you a liar?  No I am not.  But don't feel threatened, because men now are using the same scam in large droves.  Which is something I also said would happen.

Its human nature.  I was hoping people could get past the "ownership" of rape.  Looks like they can't.  Don't accuse us of being like the Msers.  We don't try to stifle debate.  


UR,  Im sure the store down the street sells 'donkey piss' for your liking.  I'll be drinking something else, sorry.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 09:25 PM
Looks like your hero Wendy MacElroy can talk about like an Adult.


Law Needs New Category of Sexual Assault

Tuesday, August 19, 2003

By Wendy McElroy



On Jan. 6, the California Supreme Court ruled that when a woman rescinds consent during sex, the man becomes guilty of rape if he does not stop immediately.

Last month, Illinois became the first state to enact that principle into law. Such measures trivialize the crime of rape and encourage false accusations that, in turn, threaten the credibility of actual rape victims.

The new law reads, "(c) A person who initially consents to sexual penetration or sexual conduct is not deemed to have consented to any sexual penetration or sexual conduct that occurs after he or she withdraws consent during the course of that sexual penetration or sexual conduct."

A woman has a right to change her mind about sex at any point in the act. And, once that change has been clearly communicated, the man should cease sexual contact.

The situation is similar to inviting a guest into your home. If you unmistakably rescind the invitation, the "guest" should stay no longer than it reasonably takes for him to understand he is no longer welcome. And yet, if the invited guest chooses to remain, the offense he commits is trespass, not breaking and entering or burglary. Equally, a man who doesn't use force during invited sex but ignores signals is not committing rape but some other, lesser offense.

The Illinois law trivializes rape by placing a woman changing her mind on the same level as a woman who is brutally beaten into sexual submission. It places a man who may be confused by jumbled signals on the same level as one who holds a knife to a woman's throat in a dark alley.

As such, the law is an insult to every woman who has been forcibly raped. It is a threat to every man who becomes momentarily lost in the sex act or totally misreads a woman's response.

The "withdrawal of consent" (search) standard also encourages false accusations by making the charge hinge entirely upon a "he said/she said" scenario.

Indications of consent are often public or provable: for example, an ongoing romantic relationship or having gone up to a man's hotel room at night. This means third parties are able to evaluate evidence that is independent of an accuser's truthfulness or her understanding of what happened. By contrast, indications of withdrawn consent are rarely public or provable.

Evidence that a sex act occurred proves nothing because most sex is consensual. It would make little sense to ask mugging victims if they had agreed to be beaten and robbed in the street because the automatic and overwhelming presumption is that they did not. But it makes perfect sense to ask alleged victims of rape whether they agreed to sex because that crime is defined not by the presence of an act but the presence of consent.

Nor is the reporting distress to third parties real evidence because there is no way to verify the cause of the upset. The woman might well be traumatized because she withdrew her consent only to be ignored by the man. But she might also be overcome with shame or be infuriated by the man's dismissive attitude after sex.

Why would the woman lie? The answer: for the same reasons other human beings lie. For revenge, for profit, for attention, out of shame, out of panic ... The motives become more complicated in highly emotional situations. And when a misunderstanding is present, lies are not even necessary for stories to conflict.

In such a conflict, the accused is currently at a disadvantage in at least two ways. First, the presumption of innocence is reversed. Instead of being innocent until proven guilty, the accused has to present an affirmative defense that proves the sex was consensual. Second, the definition and standards of consent have been expanded to such a degree that it is a difficult claim to prove.

The issue of "withdrawn consent" will continue to play out in the spotlight due to the upcoming trial of Kobe Bryant (search). For weeks to come, reporters and commentators will speculate on exactly how much sexual contact the woman had agreed to with Kobe, on how clearly she stated her disagreements. The state of Colorado has no law that equates withdrawn consent with rape so the court's verdict may not hinge upon such questions. But the public's will.

I find myself in the strange position of believing Bryant to be innocent while hoping he is guilty. An "innocent" verdict would harden the belief that women lie about rape and it is men who are victimized. If this belief becomes widespread, it will harm not only women who are raped but also women who report any violence at the hands of a man.

Rape must not be trivialized; it should remain the violent act of taking sex through force or threat of force. Sexual contact that begins with consent and ends as unwelcome is simply in a different category than rape. If a new legal category or theory is required to address the situation of withdrawn consent, then it should be created. But the brutal crime of rape should not be diluted in the process.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 09:33 PM
Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
Do you think I give a fuck that the men's movement lost "allies" because of my statements?  If they left because of that, they were never really there.


Well you should.

We don't have the same resources the feminists have. We can't push our agenda in quite the same way they do. I.e lots of hatred. We need everyone we can.

I understand the anger. heck, I'm angry I'm sick of all the misandry in the media etc but we can't sink to their level. It's not right.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 09:39 PM
Quote from: "Anniee36"
Yes it is; the woman-hating rivals any SCUM manifesto we can hold up in its face.


No. I have to disagree. The SCUM manifesto talks about wiping out men. No where on this board, other than my AFA thread, have anyone here talked about wiping out women. But even my AFA thread is a bit of a joke anyway.

But still. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 09:42 PM
"We don't have the same resources the feminists have. We can't push our agenda in quite the same way they do. I.e lots of hatred. We need everyone we can. "


I believe this movement is both a men and women's movement.  

The fact that women havn't suffered from the horrendeous changes in laws in the past few  years is irrelevant.  They too will be facing the same circumstances.  It will continue to get worse for everyone, not better.

Im not asking for a favour, Im warning them of what is going to happen.

I love women, always have and always will.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 18, 2003, 09:55 PM
Yeah Wendy can talk about it like an adult.   And you NEVER complained about how I discussed rape until I took exception to your outrageous commentary.

The day Wendy says a little raping doesn't hurt anybody, GET BACK TO ME.   That is SO objective and adult, you fucking moron.
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 10:06 PM
"The day Wendy says a little raping doesn't hurt anybody, GET BACK TO ME. That is SO objective and adult, you fucking moron."


I don't remember you ever going there.  Go fuck yourself too anniee.  Im not covering up for you anymore.

You're a vile little bitch and I know your tactics.  UR complained about them all the time, but I would never let you bait me in.  I used to think you were cool, but you're fucking out to lunch.

Jen, Tammy and the rest of them thought you were fucking disgusting and such a liar.  I was starting to think you were mentally ill.

We can all play the victim card anniee.  Who gives a fuck.  I was raped too, maybe its my way of getting back.  You don't corner the market.

Finally, get over it.  90 fucking posts on ones sentence that was made sarcastically.  Im starting to realize that you are a false accuser because your husband caught you  or something.  Otherwise why would you take such rights to it?  Why maintain its power?
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 10:10 PM
Now that Im thinking about it.  Im remembering the days when people used to talk about 'raping' someone as a form of lust.  Uncontrollable desire.  

It went either way, men or women used it.  It was a sign of affection and attraction.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 18, 2003, 10:13 PM
Oh jeez. Here we go again.  :roll:
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Post by: D on Aug 18, 2003, 10:22 PM
Why deny it?  Why ignore it?

I won't allow feminists to distort the past so much as that we fear talking about it.

UR has a signature that attacks Amber with every post.  I made a general statement, this guy makes it personal and never lets it rest.  Are you really going to say Im in the wrong?

Nobody even remembers what the fuck UR is talking about.  Yet he stilll posts it and has for months.  Its a sickness with these mental cases.  It has nothing to do with my sarcasm or literary device as Cain calls it.  I nailed it, they are in the wrong.

Imagine a grown fucking man posting that shit over and over and over.  Anyone who falls for that fucking morons remarks is not reading the whole post.  

He's been hit so many times he doesn't know he should be falling down by now.  

Remove your signature line you peice of shit.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 12:56 AM
Have we all got it out of our systems now?

Amber: I'm starting to see that that WAS a personal attack on you.  I didn't even mean it in a hostile sense (if you can believe that); it's something I started thinking, and I was stupid enough to write it.  There wasn't much basis for it so I shouldn't have written a nascent thought that would be taken as an insult.

In general, as far as my "misogyny" goes: I'm trying to get across that there is a VERY big problem with marriage and family today, a problem that may even be caused more by older, chauvanistic male judges than feminist judges.  And my advice is for men who want to marry to find out exactly what could happen.  If you take on a responsibility, meet it.  But find out in advance what exactly you are signing up for.

Here is a site with actual cases:

http://www.nojustice.info/Courts/courts-childsupportcaselaw.htm

There are cases about "imputed income" - meaning that if a man is making less due to problems in his life - and sometimes simply CAN'T work any more than he is - the highest income in his life is still "imputed" to him, and he is required to pay a percentage of THAT as support to his ex-wife.

My favorite on that site is the woman who pilfered $250,000 from her husband's account over a year or two and blew it on shopping.  Keep in mind that she already had a high lifestyle, with house, car, spending money already being paid for.  The judge seemed to decide that her lifestyle had been HIGHER because of the pilfered money, so she was not ordere to pay it back (like a reasonable person would think), the husband was ordered to give her even more in the property settlement to keep her lifestyle up at that level (in addition to $14,000 a month in alimony).  I just don't get it.  If the marriage is over, the marriage is over.  His obligations continue, hers don't.

In a case (not on this site), a doctor, for instance, had a nervous breakdown and couldn't work 12 hours a day any more in his practice.  He simply couldn't do it, and a psychologist provided evidence that he had to reduce his hours and make less money.  The wife left him, possibly in part because he wasn't making money any more.  But he was still ordered to make support payments to her, to maintain the "lifestyle she was accustomed to", that exceeded his total income.  It ruined him, and no talk about the life he was accustomed to, or even any compromise.

Read the cases on that web site.  The cases themselves are cited.  Since the divorce rate is extremely high (40? 50%?), I can't fathom why anyone would jump into a situation with this liability without a bit more thought.  I noticed that the dentist in one of those cases even moved to a rural area to practice to get a break on his student loan.  He was thinking ahead to reduce 10s of thousands of dollars, and completely oblivious when it came to having 100s and 100s of thousands of dollars thrown out the window.  Why?  Seriously, no one can see my point?
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:01 AM
Here's a case:

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/01/06/2001BCSC0630.htm

"In Chambers v. Chambers (2001 BCSC 630) the "addicted to shopping" wife had siphoned $250,000 from the husband's business account to her personal account and duly spent it in a matter of a year and a half. After the marriage ended in divorce, she increased her debts on her credit cards though the husband was paying her $16,100 a month spousal support on interim basis.

Judge Hutchinson ruled that

the husband can only blame himself for allowing her to manage the finances, knowing her inability to control her habits.

He also ruled that

as she could not be expected to support herself on the same level as she had become accustomed to during the marriage, he should be paying her $14,000 a month until she becomes self-sufficient, after which the monthly support will be reduced to $12,000.

He further ordered that he pay her $250,000 in equalization payments, rather than that she pay him the monies that she had pilfered from his business."
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:14 AM
I also think that the "real man" argument that is being thrown around a bit here is getting trite.  It is simply a play on chivilry, designed to herd a man into the situation the woman wants him to be in.

I suppose a "real man" meets his obligations.  But the underlying notion here is that a real man is supposed to TAKE ON those obligations, he is supposed to get married no matter what and, in fact, the hidden assumption is that he is supposed to get married to A PARTICULAR WOMAN, i.e. the one who is appealing to his real-mannedness (if that is a word) in a manipulative attempt to make him marry HER.  Likewise, manipulative attempts of a man to appeal to old notions of women in order to get a particular woman to marry him would be met with disgust.  That's not love or partnership or two mature people wanting to build a life together out of free will; that's a situation in which someone wants some advantage and wants to use the other person to get it.  That's anything but a good basis for a marriage.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:26 AM
Here's the problem regarding commitment with men today:

Marriage used to be a heavy-duty commitment between a man and a woman.  When you got married, you got married for life.  There was divorce, but at a much lower rate.  It was very difficult to get out of a marriage, because the intent was that it was for life, and only in extreme circumstances should it be broken.  You had to prove some egregious fault on the part of the other party.  If both parties kept kept within bounds, both parties had their obligations.

Whether that was a good system or not is open to debate, but the fact is that BOTH parties had obligations.

Today, it is very easy to get out of a marriage.  You just file and do it.  The other partner has no say basically.  Once again, there are pluses and minuses; it's open to debate.

But here's the thing:

When a man commits to marriage today, he is REALLY taking on a lifetime commitment in some cases.  Because he will still have responsibities and liability after the marriage ends.  The wife will not have them.  Although laws are written in a gender-neutral way today (i.e. "spousal" support), that is NOT the true practice of the courts.

So there is a situation in which the man will REALLY be committed, possibly for life, and the woman can walk away at any time; she can end her obligations as soon as she feels like it.  I'm not debating the old system vs. the new system here, I'm saying that this is what marriage has become.

The men touting chivilry here are possibly tacitly calling for a return to the old system; I'm accepting that this is how things are today, so men should know HOW THINGS ARE, and what exactly a commitment involves.  They should enter into marriage as an informed customer, not on a whim.  Sorry, it makes sense to me.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:35 AM
I can only think in this case "What was the man thinking when he married her?":

"In Polson v. Polson (2000 BCSC 1477) the court ruled that a woman, who has a grade 10 education and "some marketable skills" and walks out with $629,500 in cash and $55,000 in RRSP, has

suffered an economic disadvantage in that she has not been able to obtain the benefits of work experience, training and job security during the marriage

No questions asked if she ever had wanted to obtain the dubious "benefits". The judge continued:

she will require spousal support for several years, as well as child support for one adult daughter, with the support level reflecting the husband's $60,000 annual [imputed] income and the income which she ought to earn from the $450,000 she can anticipate investing from her share ...

The father was also ordered to shoulder the estimated $12,600 shortfall in the children's tuition fees.

One is left to wonder what disadvantages did Mrs. Polson suffer from the marriage."

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/00/14/s00-1477.htm
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Post by: Amber on Aug 19, 2003, 01:35 AM
I like Dr. Evil.  I like Analog Worms.  I even like Teddy Rosevelt, sometimes.  Of course I like bilbo, rocky, anubis, cain ... oh, and Dan too, on Thursdays anyway.  

As far as misogyny goes ... to Radical Angels question and Dr Evil's question, my main beef is that Galt called me a gold digger.  It's no mystery he gets on these boards and complains about that twenty four/seven.  To say that to me, after knowing me for a year ... just hurt.  It was a very personal, sexist insult directed at me.  Yes, misogynist.  And he's never apologized, so I'm not forgiving. So, he's permanantly out of my life.  Oh well.  Two tears in a bucket, mother fuck it.  

But, this is not a standyourground thing.  It's a Galt thing.  The forum sometimes is excessively male biased, such as men defending pornography and stuff ... but I am willing to debate the issue and 'stand my ground' about the position.  I'm a good debator, it doesn't intimidate me.  But, I'm not willing to have my femaleness as a point of attack.  That's what sent me over the edge.  

But, in defense of something obviously personal to me - not all Objectivists are like this, I swear.  In fact, I just got off the phone with one.  Great guy.  Nothing like Galt.  

There are two 'visions' of what a woman can and should be that I've debated in the past few days, although the debate is a product of years of thought and experience.  (It's relevant to this discussion, I swear).

One is the conservative woman.  Emotionally open.  Soft.  Feminine.  Nurturing.  Rejects feminism because she rejects women in careers or being too tough or strong.  Wants a very simple life .. and yes, wants to be taken care of, because otherwise, in a career, she simply cannot keep this emotional openness about her.  Work is a man's world.  Period.

The other is the Objectivist woman.  In a word - tough.  Guarded.  Goes after a career.  Believes in earthly values, therefore stays thin and attractive.  Embraces reason fully.  A man in a pretty packaging.

This is a serious debate, which one of these is ideal ... and people who are honest and civil might take it up on this forum.  

I'm at that crossroads in my life.  Which one to pursue.  The conservative influence my life in the past 11 months has made me much more soft.  That's what Galt was reacting to.  Men like him don't appreciate this kind of nurturing femininity.  This type of conservative woman doesn't live up to the male standard, so he spits on her.  

Similarly, conservatives have an extreme aversion to the Objectivist woman.  If I change the path I've been on for the past 11 months, I'll lose conservative female friends.  Period.  They'll identify me as the next Martha Stewart, and out the door I go.  

Conservative men don't like their females to be too strong.  Read Henry Makow's work.  They want their women soft, feminine, and submissive.  It can be a beautiful thing, when done right.  She doesn't 'provide' anything as far as money, but the man does get value in return .. he gets a soft female that, in theory, brings joy to him.  Both are happy in the set up.  Men like Galt would consider the man an exploited dope ... but men like Galt are dumb.

If I grew up differently, I may have been more willing to accept this conservative woman.  But, I think I like the Objectivist woman.  I find joy in achievement, not some sort of passive 'female joy.'  I'd also have to convert to Xtianity to do all this, and that's just plain not happening.

I am sympathetic to what conservatives say.  I see where they are coming from.  There is a cost and benefit to them both.  Both are, in the end of it all, supportive of men and women coming together.  It's a genuine debate ... although not one you'll be able to start up with the Anti Romeos in the feminist camp and the Anti Juliets in the other just as divisive camp.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 19, 2003, 01:39 AM
Holy.  Fuck.   And after how goddamn many months of kissing Amber's ASS did she stab me in the back?

She KNEW she was wrong and she only made one halfhearted attempt at apologizing.  The MINUTE I didn't answer quickly enough - POOF STAB.   That's all she wrote brother.

Amber, hearing all this coming from you is hilarious, really.   And you're RIGHT, that's the HELL of it!  It's TRUE everything you're saying.   I HAVE BEEN THERE TOO, and INCLUDING with YOU.  

But...whatever.   Talk about sewage under the bridge...
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:41 AM
<<As far as misogyny goes ... to Radical Angels question and Dr Evil's question, my main beef is that Galt called me a gold digger.>>

I think a gold-digger is just looking for the cash.  I made a fairly baseless accusation that you may be looking to get married because it was an easier route than having to get your feet wet in a hard job.  Whether there is a distinction there or not ... I didn't call you a gold-digger.

The comment was without much foundation and insensitive.  So I take it back (if take-backs are allowed) and apologize.  It's not the end of the world, Amber, because I made a comment.


<<So, he's permanantly out of my life.>>

Well, don't get melodramatic here.  Hashing things around on a message board is not exactly being in your life.

It was a comment, and an insensitive one, and that's the extent of what it was.  No felonies committed here.  So just stop.  Period.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:47 AM
We should all get back to the important work of making fun of feminists.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 01:53 AM
<<Men like him don't appreciate this kind of nurturing femininity.>>

The problem with that, Amber, is that there is an undercurrent that a particular man has to like a particular type of woman ... or there is something wrong with him.

Some men may like the type of woman you describe, others may like a different type.  Chicken or fish.  A person who likes chicken is good; a person who likes fish is bad.  It doesn't really work that way.  Everyone has different tastes and different life experiences.

On a side note, I made a comment that you didn't like.  I rethought it, apologized, and even recognized how it could really be insulting.  You've now thrown out a number of insults my way - many of them also baseless.  The ratio is (a lot):1.
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Post by: Amber on Aug 19, 2003, 02:00 AM
<shrug>  I remember being upset over a board being torn to shreads over a certain duo ... all the trolling, all the hostility to the feminists on the board .. I didn't approve .. neither did Dan, Dr. Evil, Brewers Fan etc.  I spoke up about it, after Dan did ... and then that started the ball rolling to all of us being evil and the duo being saintly.  I valued the board over anything else, sorry ... especially given as a college IWF activist, I had a vest interest in it, with messages and activist things going out over that board, like email campagins, getting those pictures of the art exhibit on etc. etc.  

It had nothing to do with the 'time' that I changed my mind over the 'truce.'  Basically, I said "Annie, I don't want to play this game yadda yadda yadda" ... and then after that post, chronologically in time, you posted a real nasty post about me.  So, I got my answer and withdrew what I said.  That's exactly what happened ... from my end.  

I've always tried to keep whatever 'venom' I've thrown as honest as possible.  I've always said "I think Annie is smart, but bla bla bla ..... "  

I'm not a fan of drama, honestly .... although Galt seems to think I'm prone to violence.  :roll:

So, here, I'll make up to you again.  Do whatever you want with it.  

I think removing myself from the forum is good for me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.  I'm getting hit from the left and right right now ... the Penn State administration is officially after me for that article on Treason I wrote, most of my old friends turned their back on me when I started to write a column for mensnewsdaily (jealousy), now more conservative friends of mine are being nasty to me because, as described above, I'm becoming Objectivist woman again, that leftist rant from Corey at QuorumCall is earning me a the title of cat fighter, and conservatives at another forum trashed my masculinity piece, telling me Catherine Corey's article was better.  I'm just ... not feeling the love.  

I don't need this shit from the forum.  I really don't.  I just want to go golfing tomorrow, get my life together, and not have it publicly attacked while trying to do it.  Which means, keeping all things private, even ideas about marriage, masculinity, or whatever.  I'm sitting here writing what I am writing now to clarify my thoughts.  It's therapy, at this point.  

Kapeesh?
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 02:06 AM
<<I'm getting hit from the left and right right now ... >>

It's easier said than done (because I fall into that too), but just think about the fact that you are under stress right now with these various issues.  I don't know what the solution is; "not taking things as seriously" never really works for me.
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Post by: Amber on Aug 19, 2003, 02:06 AM
Unless the subject line says "I'M SORRY," I'm not reading anything from you, Galt.  Just ... stay away from me.  Stay far, far away.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 02:12 AM
<<Unless the subject line says "I'M SORRY," I'm not reading anything from you, Galt. Just ... stay away from me. Stay far, far away.>>

I think, Amber, that I went about as far as I'm willing to go.  This is getting a bit lop-sided over a comment you didn't like.

So either pout for a while and then hash out ideas again, or don't.  You've got some good things to say sometimes, so I'll be reading your posts.  The Board of Control is not going to come by and force you to read mine.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:07 AM
Quote from: "Amber"
<shrug>  I remember being upset over a board being torn to shreads over a certain duo ... all the trolling, all the hostility to the feminists on the board .. I didn't approve .. neither did Dan, Dr. Evil, Brewers Fan etc.  I spoke up about it, after Dan did ... and then that started the ball rolling to all of us being evil and the duo being saintly.  I valued the board over anything else, sorry ... especially given as a college IWF activist, I had a vest interest in it, with messages and activist things going out over that board, like email campagins, getting those pictures of the art exhibit on etc. etc.  

It had nothing to do with the 'time' that I changed my mind over the 'truce.'  Basically, I said "Annie, I don't want to play this game yadda yadda yadda" ... and then after that post, chronologically in time, you posted a real nasty post about me.  So, I got my answer and withdrew what I said.  That's exactly what happened ... from my end.  

I've always tried to keep whatever 'venom' I've thrown as honest as possible.  I've always said "I think Annie is smart, but bla bla bla ..... "  

I'm not a fan of drama, honestly .... although Galt seems to think I'm prone to violence.  :roll:

So, here, I'll make up to you again.  Do whatever you want with it.  

I think removing myself from the forum is good for me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.  I'm getting hit from the left and right right now ... the Penn State administration is officially after me for that article on Treason I wrote, most of my old friends turned their back on me when I started to write a column for mensnewsdaily (jealousy), now more conservative friends of mine are being nasty to me because, as described above, I'm becoming Objectivist woman again, that leftist rant from Corey at QuorumCall is earning me a the title of cat fighter, and conservatives at another forum trashed my masculinity piece, telling me Catherine Corey's article was better.  I'm just ... not feeling the love.  

I don't need this shit from the forum.  I really don't.  I just want to go golfing tomorrow, get my life together, and not have it publicly attacked while trying to do it.  Which means, keeping all things private, even ideas about marriage, masculinity, or whatever.  I'm sitting here writing what I am writing now to clarify my thoughts.  It's therapy, at this point.  

Kapeesh?



LMAO!!!! Yea, you and your multiple trolls, yea, real serious heartfelt shit there!!!!
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:11 AM
Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
Why deny it?  Why ignore it?

I won't allow feminists to distort the past so much as that we fear talking about it.

UR has a signature that attacks Amber with every post.  I made a general statement, this guy makes it personal and never lets it rest.  Are you really going to say Im in the wrong?

Nobody even remembers what the fuck UR is talking about.  Yet he stilll posts it and has for months.  Its a sickness with these mental cases.  It has nothing to do with my sarcasm or literary device as Cain calls it.  I nailed it, they are in the wrong.

Imagine a grown fucking man posting that shit over and over and over.  Anyone who falls for that fucking morons remarks is not reading the whole post.  

He's been hit so many times he doesn't know he should be falling down by now.  

Remove your signature line you peice of shit.


Nope, I don't think so, Dannyboy.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:15 AM
Quote from: "Amber"
Unless the subject line says "I'M SORRY," I'm not reading anything from you, Galt.  Just ... stay away from me.  Stay far, far away.


Gee, how far away do you think you are from Amber, Galt? About 12 thousand miles or so? LMAO...what a drama queen, almost as dramatic as old Dannyboy.
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 19, 2003, 03:27 AM
Thank god.   I was sitting here wondering HOW FUCKING THICK THE SHIT WAS GOING TO GET before someone CUT IT.

UN fucking REAL.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:36 AM
Yea, no shit. She makes this condescending, patronizing post to you like you're in 5th grade and just dying to sit at her lunch table, you let what, 20 minutes pass?.... and she tears into you like a bi-polar hermaphrodite on crack? Yea, suuuuuuuure, Anniee, you were supposed to say "Gee, thanks for not hating me for no reason at all, Amber, I'm not worthy".

Amber needs to grow up and take Daniel with her.

Of course, you know we are dealing with young people here. :roll:
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 19, 2003, 03:38 AM
Tragically that is completely accurate, UR.  

And goddamned FUNNY too!    LMFAO
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 19, 2003, 03:41 AM
And Dan...I thought once that you had...well I dont' know what the fuck I thought you had.  Whatever it was, you don't have it.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:44 AM
That is hilarious!! He knows he doesn't have it.

Funny how all of Ambers friends are turning on her, HEY, AMBER, DON'T TAKE THAT AS ANY INDICATION THAT YOU ARE AN ASS OR ANYTHING, OK?
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Post by: Anniee36 on Aug 19, 2003, 03:50 AM
Gee, I wonder if this BOOHOO crossroads has changed anyone's outlook on breast reductions and who should pay for them?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 03:51 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :jump:
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 06:45 AM
Checking in as someone bothered by the attitude towards women on this board...

And here is one example.  I understand analogue has apologized for his posts and passed them off as joking, but if something analagous to this were posted at MS and passed as a joke, I can't imagine that flying.

Anyone remember the thread about women providing blowjobs?  Charging extra to cum all over their faces?  Hiring them?

Something that bothers me is that WHENEVER there is a rape accusation, she is automatically a lying whore because rape doesn't really happen, and besides, men are squirrels who can't fight instinct.

When a man is accused of a crime, and it looks as though he may be guilty, we are all told to wait for the evidence.  When a woman accuses a man of rape, and we have a bit of the evidence, that lying whore is trying to ruin a man's life and there is just no possible way she is telling the truth.

I could go on, but basically, I came to say, stuff like this is one reason I don't post much anymore.  Anniee is right--there are people who just said fuck it.  I almost didn't post this, because I don't feel like getting into the debate, but I did want to pose the question--if a large number of the women posting to this board have problems with the attitudes toward women, is that not something to examine?  Seriously.  Read some posts yourself if you get it, try and get a feel for the general atmosphere.  Anniee and Amber are not exactly rabid feminists.  They are not exactly anti-male.  Read Amber's sig, for gods sakes.  (I'm not a rabid feminist or anti-male but I understand I lose credibility for identifying as a feminist in this argument).
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:02 AM
Trouble - The criticism about the blowjob thread is valid.  It was in poor taste and could be seen as offensive to women.  I can see how someone looking at that thread could equate it with misogyny.  

The rape ideas are a bit more difficult.  I don't think that anyone here is so binary as to blame all women who accuse men and to forgive all men who are accused.  The problem is that it is indeed very complex and that the judiciary has been legislated into a bias towards the accuser which leaves men in a very difficult spot.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 07:04 AM
Yep, this does happen, and Dannyboy advocates rape. Next?
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 07:11 AM
I understand rape is a complex issue, and I'm not going to get into a debate about it.  But I would like to ask you a question--can you point me to a discussion on a particular rape case on this board where there wasn't an automatic labeling of false accusations by a lying whore?
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 07:13 AM
TROUBLE JUST MY OPINION - Don't let his fucking passive-aggressive NON QUESTIONING which isn't EVEN questioning, throw you.   He isn't one fucking iota sincere about it; it's just his baiting way of being passive aggressive.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 07:13 AM
Uh oh....someone is playing hardball and the softball players won't know what to do. :lol:
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 07:20 AM
NOw UR; we all know the hardball goes into the softball.   In...ummm...programming.   Or something.    LOL
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:31 AM
Trouble - I do appreciate being able to discuss this with you without all the name calling and the like.  Thank you for that.  

There are surely many instances on this board where posters have claimed that a rape has been a false accusation.   I think there is a great deal of anger from men and women about the number of men who are presently in jail for rapes they didn't committ.  This sort of thing is going to breed anger and resentment.  This is probably some of what you are picking up on this board.  

I do think that the rape cases that are more likely to get noticed and brought to this board will be the ones where it is likely it was a false accusation.  The trend you notice may in part be due to this selection bias.  This does not mean that the folks on this board in any way support the rape of women or think that all rapists are innocent.  That is far from the truth.

There is a great variation in what the research says about the rates of false accusations of rape with the FBI saying it is around 15% and some other research saying it is more like 50%.  The feminists claim it is 2% which is the same as the rate for most other crimes false accusation rates.

Perhaps there are more false accusations than you may think.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 07:37 AM
Yes, I have heard all the arguments on this board.  But I'm not buying the selection bias argument all the way.  I could pluck a random case and we would hear the same thing from at least some of the people.  Maybe there are more false accusations than I think, but maybe there are more actual rapes than some on this board think?
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:38 AM
Trouble - Maybe we should take a thread and have a look together at it and see what we come up with?  Want to pick one?
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 07:39 AM
Yea, and golly gee willakers...no one on THIS fucking board is in jail for being falsely accused of RAPE either. DUUUUUHHHHH.

Jesus H. Christ, you sallys are as pathetic as the miseries.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 07:40 AM
Not on rape, no.  I can't handle the way it is discussed on this board.  And I know that will bring some running to say women can't handle discussion of rape, and fine, they can hurl that accusation.  I know I brought it up, but I also said I wasn't going to get into a big debate about it.  I'm sorry, maybe we can pick another topic, but not rape.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 07:42 AM
The blowjob thread is pure genius!

The funniest thing I have ever seen in my life.

FUCK YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:43 AM
Well, that seemed to be the thrust of your argument that this board was misogynist due to the rape thing...pick another area that would make your point and choose a thread.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 07:43 AM
Quote from: "Analog Worms"
The blowjob thread is pure genius!

The funniest thing I have ever seen in my life.

FUCK YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!


Come on, man, tell us that isn't so! You obviously haven't watched any Kinison material, then.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:45 AM
mr worms.  you are not helping things here.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 07:48 AM
Evil, basically, I can't argue the rape thing because it is not seen as problematic.  I have done it before, and there is no point in going back.  It still remains a large part of my reasoning on the misogyny on this board.  But how can I argue that something is disturbing when it is not seen as such?  I can't change that.   I think every woman here has tried.  Or almost every woman.  If people can't see a problem with someone saying, "Squirrels rape and its ok so why is it not ok for men because we are such horny people, why play the blame game when it comes to rape, men have sexual needs" what can I even say?
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 07:52 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
mr worms.  you are not helping things here.


Sorry, evil. She just making me a little angry.

I apologised for my misogny many times, I honest swear to god didn't mean anything by it. When you have male bashing streaming out the radio and TV 24/7 it's hard not to counter act it by being a little misogynistic at times.

It's my natural defence.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 07:54 AM
I understand mr worms.  do the best you can.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 07:55 AM
Quote from: "Analog Worms"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
mr worms.  you are not helping things here.


Sorry, evil. She just making me a little angry.

I apologised for my misogny many times, I honest swear to god didn't mean anything by it. When you have male bashing streaming out the radio and TV 24/7 it's hard not to counter act it by being a little misogynistic at times.

It's my natural defence.


Yes, you have apologised many times and I think it is well appreciated by those who read it. I also never took any of your stuff seriously, there is a vast difference between humor with a touch of irony and Dans blathering which isn't funny at all. Maybe it's because Dan is writing his shit himself, who knows. But I do get the impression that he was serious, he has posted that sort of shit before, hell, he got pissed enough last night to make assertions about Anniees private life. He is a dolt, you are a practical joker.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 08:02 AM
Trouble - did someone actually say this?

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"Squirrels rape and its ok so why is it not ok for men because we are such horny people, why play the blame game when it comes to rape, men have sexual needs"


Or is that an exageration to make a point?  I think some of us, myself included feel that the man's side of things is not taken into account.  If a man rapes he should be punished.  I have no apologies for that.  However, in situations that are very ambiguous, (ie deciding the day after that consenual sex was actually rape) we need to look at all of the variables involved.  

I appreciate your feedback Trouble.  I am very concerned that some of you seem to feel that there is a misogynistic tone to this board and I would be very interested to hear any ideas of ways you think it could be helped.  Got any ideas?
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 08:03 AM
What assertions did that fucker make about my private life?  Dave is fuming now, UR.   He's demanding to know.   Thanks.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 08:04 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
I appreciate your feedback Trouble.  I am very concerned that some of you seem to feel that there is a misogynistic tone to this board and I would be very interested to hear any ideas of ways you think it could be helped.  Got any ideas?


I don't see Trouble moaning too much about the misandry at MS.  :roll:

I think this is a classic case of they can diss us, but we can't diss them.... :P
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 08:06 AM
Oh GREAT and we don't have a search feature to find out what the fuckwad said about squirrels do we?   But we sure as hell have evil here to pretend it was never said!   Oh yes, you can COUNT on that, boys and girls!

God dammit, whatever the fuck you said about my private life you will pay for in reputation Dan, I swear it.  If you HAVE any left you pedophilic raping fuck.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 08:08 AM
Quote from: "Anniee an'the Blackhearts"
Oh GREAT and we don't have a search feature to find out what the fuckwad said about squirrels do we?.


Yes. We do have a search feature... :D
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 08:13 AM
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Finally, get over it. 90 fucking posts on ones sentence that was made sarcastically. Im starting to realize that you are a false accuser because your husband caught you or something. Otherwise why would you take such rights to it? Why maintain its power?


http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7145&highlight=#7145


Yea, Dannyboy is all about the facts. :roll:
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 08:13 AM
mr worms - because the ms crowd is unaware of their misandry does not give us license to be hurtful to women in general.  I am all for nailing the fems in every way possible, but it is also critical that we do so without blaming all women for our plight.  This is important.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:19 AM
(Adrienne)
"Nature does not make men rape, anymore than it makes men kill. No way. No how. "

(Dan)
"Why not? When those squirrels are running around tree tops chasing mates for sex, whats going on there? Is it rape or is it nature? Should we feel sorry for the females? Or should we feel sorry for the males?"

Women are not squirrels? I was talking about men fucktard. But, in a sence it if the female squirrell that signals the male, it is also the same that the female of humans signals the male as well.

Women are more excited at ovulation and men are more attracted to women when they are ovulating. The entire makeup industry is built around creating the illusion of fertility cycle.

But, the point is greater than that. The need to procreate forcess us to do things in extreme measures. Such as seduction (which is now being called rape). Both men and women do this and always have. Our concious level may say we just want a good romping, our subconcious maybe telling us "That is a person I would like to procreate with".

****

(Adrienne)
"Not to rape it doesn&#8217;t. Rape is violence. Rape is crime. "

(Dan)
Prove it.  Which you can't.

Why do people rape? Uncontrollable desire?

Our evolution could be a rape scenario and it has become biologically ingrained into both sexes. Then its not really rape.

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(me)
And you still didn't really answer the question. YOU asked who to feel sorry for, the male or the female. Who do you feel sorry for? The horny male rapist or the female who was forced to take his horniness in the form of rape?"

(Dan)
How can we feel sorry for either?? Nature does it to them. Nature will continue to do it to them and every other species. Why blame the male for it?

(me)
"Do you feel badly for human rape victims and blame their rapists for their actions (when not mentally ill to the point of not being able to choose right from wrong)?"

(Dan)
Its my assertion that people can be so strongly influenced by sexual frustration that rape becomes an issue.
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Post by: URnotmeRU on Aug 19, 2003, 08:21 AM
I think you did an excellent job, Trouble. Dan looks like and IS a sorry excuse for a man.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:23 AM
Thank you.  And Dan, I just read what you put about Anniee.  Go fuck yourself.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 08:26 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
mr worms - because the ms crowd is unaware of their misandry does not give us license to be hurtful to women in general.  I am all for nailing the fems in every way possible, but it is also critical that we do so without blaming all women for our plight.  This is important.


I know. I understand that. I wasn't trying to be hurtful to women in general. It's just. I guess I got so caught with the hate and anger from my own personal experiences that I stupidily let them spill over into my postings on this board. It's so hard to control.

I'm confused about my role in this ever increasingly feminised society that I guess that I channeled that anger into misogyny and foolishly sprayed at the very woman who were trying to help us.

Once again. I apologise. I guess that's all I can do. Since it's too late to retract all the shit.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 08:29 AM
good on you mr worms.  thank you for taking responsibility.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:30 AM
I would like to point out that I have been registered at MS for over 2 years and have 131 posts.  Do the math.  There is a reason I don't post much over there.  I never defended the MS boards as a board of fairness and love.
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Post by: dr e on Aug 19, 2003, 08:31 AM
Trouble - What parts of what Dan said do you have a problem with?  Much of it is vague and often difficult to determine if he is talking about "nature" and the natural world or if he is talking about humans.  I would want to hear from Dan on what he means by all of this and what parts you are upset about.

I will be offline for the next couple of hours.  See you in a while.
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 08:32 AM
Trouble...you rock.   How well said was THAT???????   :)
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 08:33 AM
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I would like to point out that I have been registered at MS for over 2 years and have 131 posts.  Do the math.  There is a reason I don't post much over there.  I never defended the MS boards as a board of fairness and love.


I don't visit the MS baords. I can't stand to go anywhere near it. And since you were a member there I just assumed you were another misandric feminist type.
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:33 AM
I have a problem with him saying "rape isn't a crime or violence."

I have a problem with him saying "sexual drive is overwhelming and that's why rape happens and why feel bad for the female victim?"

I have a problem with him saying "RAPE IS SEDUCTION"

AND THIS IS WHY I WASN'T GOING TO DISCUSS THIS SHIT.  If people can't see it as disturbing, what is there left to say?
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:34 AM
Anniee, you rock as well.  And yes, I had my pompoms out for that.
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Post by: Anniee an'the Blackhearts on Aug 19, 2003, 08:35 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Trouble - What parts of what Dan said do you have a problem with?  Much of it is vague and often difficult to determine if he is talking about "nature" and the natural world or if he is talking about humans.  I would want to hear from Dan on what he means by all of this and what parts you are upset about.

I will be offline for the next couple of hours.  See you in a while.
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OMFFFFFFFFFFFFFFG

OMFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFG OMFG OMFG OMFG.   YOU DID NOT.

YOU DID FUCKING NOT.   She posts all the hateful shit and you said "What parts do you have trouble with" YOU FUCKING CUNT.

BURN IN HELL
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Post by: DoubleTrouble on Aug 19, 2003, 08:44 AM
Well, look, I am in deeper in this debate than I had planned to be.  I'm going to for the most part do what I have been doing all along.  Posting occassionally.  See ya.
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Post by: D on Aug 19, 2003, 11:20 AM
"I have a problem with him saying "rape isn't a crime or violence." "

I have a problem with people saying that all acts of sex between a man and a woman is rape.



"I have a problem with him saying "sexual drive is overwhelming and that's why rape happens and why feel bad for the female victim?" "

Why let your emotions get involved with this?  Look at the bigger picture.  We are hardwired for reproduction.  It is a possibility that we are induced to force ourselves onto another be it male or female.  Does it make it right?  Not under 'man's laws'.  Im merely pointing out that there are things in our lives we can't control.  Like aging.  Women's desire to have children is so high, they too have gone to lengths to procreate using force or deception.  



"I have a problem with him saying "RAPE IS SEDUCTION""

Read it within the context of the rest of what Im saying.  If all sex is rape, where do we draw the line?  If a woman makes me a nice meal and wears sexy clothes to get me in bed she is raping me.  
 

"AND THIS IS WHY I WASN'T GOING TO DISCUSS THIS SHIT. If people can't see it as disturbing, what is there left to say?"


Its difficult, maybe.  But why let your personal emotions cloud the discussion.  Go deeper find out what I mean.

We've already proven the domestic violence is a two way street, it always has been and it always will be.  Why is it so difficult to find out that rape is also a two way street?  

By adding to the equation and looking at the full picture, thats how we will come to a better solution.

I was never trying to justify rape.  The only people I see who try to justify rape are feminists.  I was sincerly trying to expand the picture.  It is possible that hormones play a role in rape.  And if we go by the majority of feminist belief, that all men are rapists, that we live in a rape culture, than you are either saying everyone is a theif, or that everyone is committing a bodily function.  

The misunderstanding here is over the definition of rape.  Im argueing the point that if all men are rapists as feminists say they are that it must be a natural occurance.

My belief is that all men are not rapists and that rape is quite rare as well as wrong, but it doesn't meant I can't debate from the other side and go point for point against feminist myth making.
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Post by: D on Aug 19, 2003, 11:22 AM
"Well, look, I am in deeper in this debate than I had planned to be. I'm going to for the most part do what I have been doing all along. Posting occassionally. See ya."


Which is why we never get to the end.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 11:58 AM
I have an inkling of what you are trying to get at Dan, but I don't think you're expressing it very clearly.  Or not clearly at all.

You're trying to get an idea across that is different than what you are being accused of, but maybe you haven't entirely sorted the idea out yourself yet.  Sometimes fuzzy writing results from fuzzy thinking.

As for the constant cry of "MISOGYNIST" here, there is still a right of free speech, until the feminists also take that away (for men only).

You have to realize where they are coming from: Any mention of rape without having "kill the bastard" in the same sentence will be severely censured.  

You know why?  Because despite all their talk of how feminist women are the superior, supreme beings and how men hate, despise and don't respect women ....


... they know full well that if men REALLY DIDN'T CARE about women, if there were no chivilry, they would be dead.  No one would care if they got raped.  That's a major fear.

Men care a great deal.  A lot of MEN are behind rape laws.  A lot of MEN are putting these things in place to protect women.  Men are the ones who are risking their lives in some cases as police to catch these people and prevent rapes.  And rightfully so.  If some stranger jumps out of the bushes and rapes a woman, he should pay the legal price for it.  I don't think that because I want to own a woman or anything else but fairness.  And fairness is just something that feminists can't really wrap their noggin' around.

Feminists don't want a dialog about whether a woman who willingly sleeps with a man, and then feels guilty later and says it was rape, should maybe be at least questioned.  If she says it was, it was; they don't care if it was or not.  They want to dominate, bully and push through everything they want, with no discussion of fairness.

And apparently questioning this is "misogynism".  Good tactic on their part.
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Post by: Amber on Aug 19, 2003, 12:07 PM
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I think, Amber, that I went about as far as I'm willing to go. This is getting a bit lop-sided over a comment you didn't like.



This is how this reads to me:  "I still believe what I said."

You want me to "go back to discussing ideas" but you won't apologize for that hit below the belt earlier.  How am I to know it won't happen again?  It will happen again, and whever I talk to you (that won't be happening), I would just remember how low you think of me.  

No, I'm not interested in debating ideas with you.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 12:08 PM
That's why it's useful to try to see beyond chivilry ... for at least a few minutes.  To try and picture men and women REALLY equal.  What you will see will start to look like the picture today on the woman's side, but vastly different on the man's side.  Picture two human beings on a planet somewhere.  Both are equal, but the purple ones have these responsibilities, and the orange ones have these rights.
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Post by: Analog Worms on Aug 19, 2003, 12:12 PM
Wow. This is like our longest thread.

Congratulations everyone.  :D
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 12:19 PM
Amber, can I buy you a cyber-beer?  Do you want Neutronium or Heinonik?
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Post by: radicalangel on Aug 19, 2003, 12:37 PM
Well, we definitely have dialogue.

Regarding rape...seems the biggest concern here is false accusations of rape.  No one wants anyone to be raped.  If someone believes that a rape has occurred, he/she is likely to be very outraged.  It's not that we think all accusations are false; we just know how the accusation can damage the accused and want to avoid punishing an innocent person (as opposed to Msers, who--it seems- have no problem with punishing the innocent in the process of getting the guilty).  I'm sure that we want to punish the guilty and exonerate the innocent.

Truth be told, I am somewhat diapppointed with both feminism and the men's movement. (No offense) I often feel like, fighting misogynists turns one misandrist (as at Ms., though I could argue that Msers are misogynistic as well, for promoting victim mentality in women) and vice versa.  I don't wanna be either.  I felt like ifeminists was pretty cool in this regard.
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Post by: HaloLauren on Aug 19, 2003, 12:41 PM
Who is John Galt?
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 12:44 PM
<<Who is John Galt?>>

It's funny ... a guy named Eddie Willers said that a bum said the very same phrase to him on the street today.  It just seems to be floating around.
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Post by: HaloLauren on Aug 19, 2003, 12:45 PM
;)
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Post by: D on Aug 19, 2003, 01:49 PM
" Msers, who--it seems- have no problem with punishing the innocent in the process of getting the guilty). "


The problem is , is that its so much more than that. (But its close enough for now)

Overall I don't know how to make myself more clear on the subject.  

I guess its just the way to keep stumbling threw it until its right.
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Post by: Galt on Aug 19, 2003, 02:05 PM
<<I guess its just the way to keep stumbling threw it until its right.>>

That's called "thinking out loud".  The problem is that there is a subset of people who just latch onto words and have never had the experience of trying to see a thought behind them.

Maybe it was intentional on their part (probably in many cases), but I saw this type of dull reaction a lot on the Ms. boards.

If you use an analogy such as "letting children play with matches is like letting a dog carry a loaded pistol in its mouth" --- they will just see words and DEMAND TO KNOW why you are comparing a loving, innocent child to a DOG.  And you better not mean their child.

People jump all the time when they see certain buzzwords.  Saying or writing the word "rape" around a feminist will first pump her up into a hypervigilant state, and then she will either go into a fury at you or nod in full agreement depending on whether you say exactly the right thing.  There is no in-between, so you have to be extremely careful and formulate everything exactly right, otherwise you are a misogynist.

You won't have to worry about it in 20 or 30 years, because feminists will have put through a law by that time anyway that you don't dare say anything they disapprove of.  It's already starting at places like the University of Michigan with speech codes.
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Post by: Galt on Nov 03, 2003, 02:40 PM
Look at the 8:41 am post in the middle of page 14, Amber.  Clear as day (note that it hasn't been modified).
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Post by: Galt on Nov 03, 2003, 02:43 PM
Or the 6th post down on page 14 (I have to realize we don't all have the same time set here).
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Post by: FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR on Nov 03, 2003, 02:46 PM
"like the University of Michigan with speech codes."

What the hell? Speech codes? Is anyone protesting this crap?
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Post by: Galt on Nov 03, 2003, 02:48 PM
Well, I have to stay on topic here - Amber's assertion on the other thread was incorrect, and I wanted to point that out.