I was in Vegas for CES and me and my pal went to the Star Trek ride at the Hilton. They make you stand in line and they show you a video of safety tips. They showed in the video several people including a young couple with a pregnant wife. The ride said pregnant women could not ride so they show the woman in the video frowning and walking off but the husband stays in line in the video. The tour girl makes a crack "...and he stays."
Now it was funny, I had to admit and I wasn't sure if they actually staged it that way in the video or not. But the encouraging thing was that a bunch of guys in our group immediatly replied back "... and he PAID!" several times. I was rather impressed by that. And it was at least three guys varying in age who replied back.
Guys are waking up, I see it more clearly everyday.
I saw a clip from "Curb Your Emthusiasim" the other night, and it involved larry and his wife having dinner with anouther couple, the husband in the other couple pays for the meal and Larry thanks him, the guys wife pipes up "are you not going to say thank you to me as well?" then you get this really funny situration of Larry explaining that He works and she doesn't so he has nothing to thank her for!
There is more of this happening, it is good too see.
Wookie
Guys are waking up, I see it more clearly everyday.
I saw a clip from "Curb Your Emthusiasim" the other night, and it involved larry and his wife having dinner with anouther couple, the husband in the other couple pays for the meal and Larry thanks him, the guys wife pipes up "are you not going to say thank you to me as well?" then you get this really funny situration of Larry explaining that He works and she doesn't so he has nothing to thank her for!
There is more of this happening, it is good too see.
Wookie
In her view - her slave paid for the meal, so it was actually her generosity, not the slaves.
Personally I think that this is what the men's movement is all about, getting men to speak up. My personal take on this is that it's always good to put a thought in someone's head and make them look at something from another perspective.
More and more men that I know are confiding in each other things that they think are unfair that women do, or can get away with. That's the first step. But we're also starting to see more and more male voices online and in the media begining to questions things that seemed taboo less than ten years ago. That's step two.
As the song says "You'll never shine if you don't glow." And I think more and more men are starting to 'glow'.
Personally I think that this is what the men's movement is all about, getting men to speak up. My personal take on this is that it's always good to put a thought in someone's head and make them look at something from another perspective.
More and more men that I know are confiding in each other things that they think are unfair that women do, or can get away with. That's the first step. But we're also starting to see more and more male voices online and in the media begining to questions things that seemed taboo less than ten years ago. That's step two.
As the song says "You'll never shine if you don't glow." And I think more and more men are starting to 'glow'.
It is shocking when you see a man speak up and not just knuckle under and take it.
In many ways a man's tendency to take the lumps and then continue on is admirable. But in dealing with feminists it has been a disaster. The assumption that "in the end the right thing will happen as long as I continue doing the right things" has not served men well.
Guys are waking up, I see it more clearly everyday.
I saw a clip from "Curb Your Emthusiasim" the other night, and it involved larry and his wife having dinner with anouther couple, the husband in the other couple pays for the meal and Larry thanks him, the guys wife pipes up "are you not going to say thank you to me as well?" then you get this really funny situration of Larry explaining that He works and she doesn't so he has nothing to thank her for!
There is more of this happening, it is good too see.
Wookie
In her view - her slave paid for the meal, so it was actually her generosity, not the slaves.
I hope you guys are joking. A marriage is a partnership. If one person stays home to take care of the house and/or the children and the other person works a paying job, that doesn't make one person the "owner" of all of the money or items in the relationship.
If I decide to stay home to take care of the children, I would not think it is funny for someone my wife and I take out to dinner to tell me they don't have to thank me for dinner because my wife makes the money.
Guys are waking up, I see it more clearly everyday.
I saw a clip from "Curb Your Emthusiasim" the other night, and it involved larry and his wife having dinner with anouther couple, the husband in the other couple pays for the meal and Larry thanks him, the guys wife pipes up "are you not going to say thank you to me as well?" then you get this really funny situration of Larry explaining that He works and she doesn't so he has nothing to thank her for!
There is more of this happening, it is good too see.
Wookie
In her view - her slave paid for the meal, so it was actually her generosity, not the slaves.
I hope you guys are joking. A marriage is a partnership. If one person stays home to take care of the house and/or the children and the other person works a paying job, that doesn't make one person the "owner" of all of the money or items in the relationship.
If I decide to stay home to take care of the children, I would not think it is funny for someone my wife and I take out to dinner to tell me they don't have to thank me for dinner because my wife makes the money.
Marriage is SUPPOSED to be a partnership. If you haven't noticed, for the past 30 years feminists have been trying to make it an exploitive relationship. You figure out who is being exploited for your self.
So you do not think it was rude for the woman to say that to the guest?
I thought the guests response was rude - but funny under the circumstance. I no longer feel it to be my obligation to overlook the rudeness of women - so shoot me.
If I decide to stay home to take care of the children, I would not think it is funny for someone my wife and I take out to dinner to tell me they don't have to thank me for dinner because my wife makes the money.
It depends whether you get the right to divorce her for no reason, take the house, kids, alimony and child support. She gets to see her kids 4 days a month and if she fails to pay up, she gets thrown in prison for being a deadbeat mom. If that were the case, I'd gladly thank her myself for her sacrifice.
Meanwhile, back in reality....
If I decide to stay home to take care of the children, I would not think it is funny for someone my wife and I take out to dinner to tell me they don't have to thank me for dinner because my wife makes the money.
It depends whether you get the right to divorce her for no reason, take the house, kids, alimony and child support. She gets to see her kids 4 days a month and if she fails to pay up, she gets thrown in prison for being a deadbeat mom. If that were the case, I'd gladly thank her myself for her sacrifice.
Meanwhile, back in reality....
Why would I want that?
You don't fight rudness and prejudice with rudness and prejudice.
You don't fight rudness and prejudice with rudness and prejudice.
Somehow, I think you're missing the point.
Sometimes the only way to teach the Bigots a lesson is to give them a taste of their own medicine.
I guess that is where we would disagree.
You don't fight rudness and prejudice with rudness and prejudice.
Somehow, I think you're missing the point.
Sometimes the only way to teach the Bigots a lesson is to give them a taste of their own medicine.
Exactly. Larry was right to not thank her. For what?
Stally
Why would I want that?
You don't fight rudness and prejudice with rudness and prejudice.
But then why be polite to someone who is not polite to you. If a rude person knows everyone around them will be polite no matter what, why bother being polite themselves?
Maybe some people have to learn that respect and politeness are not given, they are earned.
Hey ... I got good news too!!!
First off, thanks to EVERYONE who has been supportive of what I do and where I am. Some people disagree with what I am doing for political reasons, but NO ONE, not at home (while on leave), or in ANY way has disparaged my choice of profession.
But, THAT's not the good news.
I ordered "The Rantings of a Single Male". I was reading it in a place of high traffic of people. Not TRYING to be noticed, but I am a very friendly guy, and so many people who walked by (I was handing out mail and was alllowed to be reading while on duty) asked me about the book. I keep my political activism in tight check from my military duties. The two often don't even meet up.
Anywho, some of the guys who walked by and said hi and asked what I was reading were very much in agreement with me about my views (after I told them what "Rantings of a Single Male" was about.
And it wasn't "quiet" agreement. In fact a few times I had to ask them to lower their voices as they emphatically agreed and wanted to share their own stories of PCism run amok. (I do agree that my political views and my being a soldier have to stay separate)
Not only did most agree, not only did they "get it", but all were wanting (like starving men presented a feast) to share their own veiws and were surprised that another guy COULD.
I told them to "walk that fine line" of presenting EQUALITY and being FAIR is not only acceptable, but EXPECTED of leaders. And as long as they were not presenting advocacy or expressing anger that they too could make sure that being male was not a crime.
Hope that made sense, I just woke up and I gotta go and do my job.
BTW, (shameless plug here) I am so grateful to be here. We recently hosted a whole slew of Iraqis in temporary tents so that they could vote. These people came here because if you don't vote the "right" way, you get death threats. They came anyways. To a greater or lesser extent they risked their LIVES to vote. And I get to help ensure that. Wow. Freaking WOW.
"Reporting live from the sandbox".
Steven
Why would I want that?
You don't fight rudness and prejudice with rudness and prejudice.
But then why be polite to someone who is not polite to you. If a rude person knows everyone around them will be polite no matter what, why bother being polite themselves?
Maybe some people have to learn that respect and politeness are not given, they are earned.
I guess you can do things your way, and I will do them mine. I just hate it when I see people in the MRM acting like the feminists we despise.
I, too, now find that more and more men are speaking up and pointing out how men are getting screwed for being men. As the powers-that-be in society -- the academy, mainstream media, and government -- become more deeply entrenched with feminist evil, the populace (especially men, but women as well) are divorcing themselves more and more from feminism. The rift between the established forces and the populace is becoming huge.
About a week ago, I bought a bottle of wine at a local shop. The two men working the registers (about in their late-twenties) were discussing how Social Security was going to tank because of the collapse of fertility rates. I stated that fertility rates had collapsed in part because of the systematic, feminist destruction of male-female relations as well as the fact that feminism had largely destroyed the traditional family without replacing it with anything viable. They heartily agreed. And when I told them that I'm active in the Men's Rights Movement, they stood taller and visibly brightened. I could see respect in their eyes. What a treat!
Then a few days ago I went to my favorite watering hole for a couple glasses of wine. I was talking with the bartender about wine for a while before a couple men and a woman, all about 30, walked up to the bar to pay their bill. They'd been seated at a table nearby in the lounge, I was seated at the bar, and they'd heard the bartender's and my discussion. While they were waiting to pay, they asked me a couple questions about wine and then asked me if I'd seen the movie "Sideways." I said, "Yes," and they asked me what I thought of it. I said that I thought it sucked, that it was the typical garbage -- a couple of worthless, twit, jerk men, who needed to be saved by women. The two men nearly shouted, "That's what I thought."
A little while later, a woman came in and sat at the bar right next to me, despite the fact that there were other seats at the bar where she could have sat without being right next to anyone. She had a couple drinks and suddenly went utterly blotto. (My guess is that she'd been drinking before she came in.) She started hanging her head, then she'd suddenly shout "DON'T DO THAT!" Then she'd drop her head to the counter. After a while she said that she was going to go home, but she didn't leave. The bartender told me that she lived nearby and would walk home -- she'd been there before.
For about 20 minutes she kept saying she was going home, but didn't leave. Finally, I looked at a man seated at the bar a few stools down and asked him if he'd come with me if I drove her home. He turned deadly serious and said, "NO. And I recommend that you don't take her." I nodded and was going to leave it at that, but a few minutes later, the bartender asked me if I'd go with him, because he was going to give her a ride. I hesitated, but agreed. It was below freezing, and it seemed that she might go to sleep on a lawn and be found frozen in the morning. (I'm still not to the point where I'll let a woman, whom I don't know, freeze rather than risk a false accusation by helping her. Maybe I ought to have my meds adjusted. :shock:)
Damn. I'm rambling. Oh, well. If you get bored, throw rotten tomatoes. Just make sure they're heirlooms.
Anyway, the bartender went to the kitchen to tell the (male) chef that he'd be gone for a few minutes. I followed him and in front of the chef said that, given the climate in the country, the bartender should get a women who worked there to accompany him. That way if the woman-customer made some outrageous accusation against him, the police would probably listen to the woman-witness, but, if he and I were accused, we'd have no witness. The chef, with a grave expression, nodded assent to what I said, but then they told me that all the women who worked that night had gone home. Another man, who worked there and was in the kitchen, listened to all this and nodded agreement too.
Well, the drive to the woman's house was right out of the twilight zone. To make the story short, she couldn't remember where she lived, but, with a lot of coaxing, we got an address out of her and brought her home.
When we got back, the man-customer, who had refused to go with me if I drove her home, said that he'd been raised to help people, but that he would no longer help a woman that he didn't know. I said that she might have died outside and he said that, though he knew it was a cold thing to say, he'd let her die. He said that as far as he was concerned, it wasn't worth putting himself in a position where she could destroy his life on a drunken whim.
I swear, damn near any man I speak with today agrees with me regarding men's rights issues. And pretty much all of the rest don't disagree and are interested in hearing what I have to say.
It only takes one bad experience for men to start questioning these things. I have had an ex-commonlaw girlfriend falsley accuse me of beating her up to cover up the fact that she got caught cheating with another guy. (Of course no-one questioned that she had no bruises and no-one questioned that she moved her stuff straight out of my house and into the new guy's place). I don't know if she liked the attention or what, because she perpetrated this lie for quite a long time and even caused some other men to pick fights with me over it. Who brought violence into whose life? That experience sure opened my eyes on the whole feminist's victim song.
Since then, I have had another girlfriend who I was just beginning to date, come up to me crying and tell me she just got into a fight with her ex-boyfriend and he beat her up. Upon further questioning I finally cornered her and point blank asked her if he had hit her. She said no, but she thought he might have. I dumped her for trying to manipulate me that way.
Now I notice this song all the time, it matters not what the woman did in a relationship once she says "he hit me", then she gets all the attention and all the sympathy while he becomes a rotten bastard who should be beaten to within an inch of his life and driven out of town. The sad thing is, I no longer believe a woman when she tells me her ex used to beat her, I just walk away from her because the risks are too great for me. I think many other men might be feeling the same way as me too.
I get a kick out of it now when (usually) women say to me "Well, you'll never get married that way". To which I can only reply "What makes you think I want to get married? Marriage is for women. What's the advantage for a man to get married?" This response usually receives only a dumb look, but rarely an intelligent response. I have had older men come up to me after hearing me say this and tell me that they don't think they would want to get married in today's environment either. (Many older people have divorced kids remember).
When a male student joins a University and opens the Student Handbook to the first page and sees the article about how 75% of Women will be raped or assaulted, then he sees all the freshman girls running around campus with the "Rape Whistles" hanging around their necks that the University gave them. Do you think that only the most dense male student wouldn't realize that the University is also saying they feel he has a 75% chance of being a rapist? Only the REAL dumb ones could stand around with 3 of his buddies and think that since he isn't a rapist, his 3 buddies must be.
If I remember correctly back in the 80's and 90's, the Social Re-engineerers in concert with the feminists were always talking about how victims of abuse feel ashamed about being raped, beaten, molested etc. etc. This is why it was so important to believe anyone who claimed such a thing and not to shun them because it would only encourage them to continue to hide their abuse. However, it seems everyone in the world is constantly yammering on and on about all the rape, assault, molestations they were subjected to in their lives. I've been on first and second dates where I've been getting told about their rape or abuse, or how their father molested them. Does no-one recognize the conflict here - or is it that people are starting to recognize it all too well?
I think that perhaps many people are starting to recognize that the Dennis Leary form of therapy has some merrit:
http://www.endor.org/leary/
Here is an excerpt from his rant:
"I am sick and tired of hearing that fucking speech. You know? These people come out of rehab they always have the same story. "Well you know, I became an alcoholic because my parents didn't love me enough. And then I became a junkie because my parents didn't love me enough. And I went into hypnosis and therapy and I found out that parents used to hit me." Hey! My parents used to beat the living shit out of me! Ok? And looking back on it, I'm glad they did! And I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of my kids, aren't you? For no reason whatsoever. *thbbt* "What'd you hit me for?" "Shutup and get out there and mow the lawn for Christs sake!" There's therapy for ya! Mowing the lawn and crying at the same time. "The Leary kids in therapy again. Their lawn looks great, it's unbelieveable!"
God.. "I'm just not happy. I'm just not happy. I'm just not happy because my life didn't turn out the way I thought it would." Hey! Join the fucking club, ok!? I thought I was going to be the starting center fielder for the Boston Red Socks. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet, allright?! "I'm not happy. I'm not happy." Nobody's happy, ok!? Happiness comes in small doses folks. It's a cigarette, or a chocolate cookie, or a five second orgasm. That's it, ok! You cum, you eat the cookie, you smoke the butt, you go to sleep, you get up in the morning and go to fucking work, ok!? That is it! End of fucking list! "I'm just not happy." Shut the fuck up, allright? That's the name of my new book, "Shut the Fuck Up, by Doctor Denis Leary. A revolutionary new form of therapy." I'm gonna have my patients come in. "Doctor, I.." "Shut the fuck up, next!" "I don't feel so.." "Shut the fuck up, next!" "He made me feel so much better about myself, you know? He just told me to shut the fuck up and nobody had ever told me that before. I feel so much better now." Whining fucking maggots."
This is a great line:
Life sucks, get a fucking helmet, allright?!
Steven
I swear, damn near any man I speak with today agrees with me regarding men's rights issues. And pretty much all of the rest don't disagree and are interested in hearing what I have to say.
Yeah I totally agree, and even a few of the sane women I meet too! (although some instantly hate me when they see my mrm bumper stickers)
Rob,
I agree if a woman starts complaining about how her ex beat her, I run.
The same if she complains about her father. The same if she says
the father of her children doesn't want anything to do with them.
These things might be true. I think they are danger signs, though.
I run. I just don't want to run the risk of being the next in line.
I run if a woman has small children. If run if she doesn't.
Actually, to be honest, I am looking for a reasons to run. My joke is that
if Ms. Universe were naked on the floor begging me to come over and
keep her cumpany, I would run.
I have been a paratrooper. I fly. I mountain climb. I Scuba. I walk around in the middle of huge bulls. I do all kinds of dangerous things, but I now run from women.
I don't know if I will ever get over this.
They say if you fall off the horse get right back on.
Yeah, right, I know a guy who did that. Right after
he got back on the horse the horse got pregnant.
He now has 2 child support orders.
Rob,
I agree if a woman starts complaining about how her ex beat her, I run.
The same if she complains about her father. The same if she says
the father of her children doesn't want anything to do with them.
These things might be true. I think they are danger signs, though.
I run. I just don't want to run the risk of being the next in line.
I run if a woman has small children. If run if she doesn't.
Actually, to be honest, I am looking for a reasons to run. My joke is that
if Ms. Universe were naked on the floor begging me to come over and
keep her cumpany, I would run.
I have been a paratrooper. I fly. I mountain climb. I Scuba. I walk around in the middle of huge bulls. I do all kinds of dangerous things, but I now run from women.
I don't know if I will ever get over this.
They say if you fall off the horse get right back on.
Yeah, right, I know a guy who did that. Right after
he got back on the horse the horse got pregnant.
He now has 2 child support orders.
I am a runner too......I do it for my health, and....ahh... sanity!
I LOVE Dennis Leary.
I really think it is so misleading to say that rape victims are ashamed. I have been on so many boards, where rape comes up and they are falling overthemselves to have the bigger rape story. It is a badge of honor. I have seen men coming out about their abuse online, and I think it is a good thing. Just as it is for women. But don't say all women are too scared to come out about it when so many are not.
I know not all woman are like that. However, in my real life expirience, the people who tell me they were raped quickly and without extreme stress are women. The few men who told me about childhood rapes didn't say a word until we had a good relationship, and it was very traumatic for them to speak of it. I was honored that they trusted me enough to open up. I did not get that feeling about the women.
Maybe I just live in a small world. Maybe not.
I know not all woman are like that. However, in my real life expirience, the people who tell me they were raped quickly and without extreme stress are women. The few men who told me about childhood rapes didn't say a word until we had a good relationship, and it was very traumatic for them to speak of it. I was honored that they trusted me enough to open up. I did not get that feeling about the women.
Maybe I just live in a small world. Maybe not.
I used to get that all the time from dates. They would just tell me they were raped on the first date. Why? Like its a merit badge or something. Wow, I'm really in the mood now.
But I think a fair amount of this stupid behavior is induced by men. If men would stop sitting there like expecting puppy dogs, ignoring everything and hoping for some sex and actually object when these girls say this crap, women would do this less. But as it is, these girls KNOW these guys will put up with anything just to get laid. Guys, its not worth it. Your soul really is worth more than 5 minutes of snatch time.
I have to agree with the comment about the "my ex beat me" and "my baby daddy don't want nothing to do with the kidz" red flags.
As a totally naive (wrt relationships) mid-twenties guy, when I met my ex-wife she gave me both of those lines, and I fell for them hook line and sinker.
As it turned out in the long wrong, just as she was physically and verbally abusive to me, so had she been to her first husband. However, unlike me, he did not hold back, and would fight with her. So, when she attacked him, he would attack her back. Thus, "he abused her".
In addition, he was interested in seeing his kids. But my ex was the total gatekeeper. I didn't understand until years later what she was doing until I became interested in men's rights and female abusers, and then my eyes were opened.
Of course I saw it again when she got her no-fault divorce.
I no longer believe a woman when she says her boyfriend/husband/life partner/baby daddy is abusive. Unless I judge by her demeanor and attitude that she actually is abused - which has happened maybe twice in the last few years.
It's just like rape. Telling a woman that if she decides the next day that she didn't want to have that sex last night, then she was raped is as damn-fool stupid as telling a woman that if she is punching and kicking and biting and scratching a man, and he tries to leave and she blocks the door and he moves her aside, that she is being abused.
Victimology. Sheesh.
I know not all woman are like that. However, in my real life expirience, the people who tell me they were raped quickly and without extreme stress are women. The few men who told me about childhood rapes didn't say a word until we had a good relationship, and it was very traumatic for them to speak of it. I was honored that they trusted me enough to open up. I did not get that feeling about the women.
Maybe I just live in a small world. Maybe not.
I used to get that all the time from dates. They would just tell me they were raped on the first date. Why? Like its a merit badge or something. Wow, I'm really in the mood now.
But I think a fair amount of this stupid behavior is induced by men. If men would stop sitting there like expecting puppy dogs, ignoring everything and hoping for some sex and actually object when these girls say this crap, women would do this less. But as it is, these girls KNOW these guys will put up with anything just to get laid. Guys, its not worth it. Your soul really is worth more than 5 minutes of snatch time.
I think that it actually may be true that most women have been raped by the time they are a relatively young age, however, I think that this is mostly due to the all-encompassing, ridculously-expanded definition of what constitutes "rape." If as McKinnon (or some other feminist psychotic) once said, "all heterosexual sex is rape," then sure, rape is quite common.
Still, those of us who exist in the real, rational world know better.
I think that it actually may be true that most women have been raped by the time they are a relatively young age, however, I think that this is mostly due to the all-encompassing, ridculously-expanded definition of what constitutes "rape." If as McKinnon (or some other feminist psychotic) once said, "all heterosexual sex is rape," then sure, rape is quite common.
Still, those of us who exist in the real, rational world know better.
True but I'd also bet that almost every guy has been beaten up at least once in their lives yet we don't go on dates talking about how we got beat to a pulp.
It's sort of interesting to me, the number of women who have admitted to me that they have kicked a boy in the genitals at least once while growing up, sometimes in self defense, but usually not. Yet where is our 'statistic' that 1 in 3 boys will be a victim of sexual assualt by the time they are 15? Or that 1 in 3 girls will perpetrate a sexual assault against a boy before they reach the age of 15?