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Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 27, 2006, 05:30 PM
We are looking for a seasoned feminist who would be willing to debate Typhonblue on the topic of whether women are oppressed in the United States.   If you are interested and feel that you are qualified please email me at:

       [email protected]

You will be given private access to a forum where the two debaters can work out the mutually agreed upon rules and have the debate free from other posters.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: typhonblue on Mar 27, 2006, 11:53 PM
Who wouldn't want to tangle with El Bam-Bamo? What with his patented "four paws of furry fury" attack?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Sir Percy on Mar 27, 2006, 11:58 PM
Is this a game of "Let's you and her, fight"?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: SIAM on Mar 28, 2006, 12:34 AM
Good luck with finding a feminist.  They know they can only speak in certain feminist-friendly environments where everybody agrees the sky is pink with green polka dots.  Introduce reality to a feminist, and they refuse to debate.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: MacKenzie on Mar 28, 2006, 07:54 AM
Quote from: "IMHO"
Introduce reality to a feminist, and they refuse to debate.


"Feminism is for Women who can't handle Reality"

That explains many things.  :wink:

Any takers yet?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 28, 2006, 05:48 PM
Hate to say it, but it's not gonna happen.  Feminists disregard this board, since it's - you know....hostile to women.

Typhon being female doesn't count...she's been brainwashed by The Patriarchy (tm).
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: typhonblue on Mar 28, 2006, 07:27 PM
Quote from: "Factory"
Hate to say it, but it's not gonna happen.  Feminists disregard this board, since it's - you know....hostile to women.

Typhon being female doesn't count...she's been brainwashed by The Patriarchy (tm).


Brainwashed? The Patriarchy(tm) had me at the complimentary cookies!

I betrayed the sisterhood for a s'more.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Gerard Velthuis on Mar 29, 2006, 02:19 AM
Quote
Hate to say it, but it's not gonna happen. Feminists disregard this board, since it's - you know....hostile to women.


Now you are making a very ugly mistake. This board is not hostile to women, it is hostile to feminists (unless you are being sarcastic)

Besides, feminists have been and still are here. Think about Devia, Ikanneg, Mater Domina
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Laboratory Mike on Mar 29, 2006, 02:17 PM
Quote from: "typhonblue"
Quote from: "Factory"
Hate to say it, but it's not gonna happen.  Feminists disregard this board, since it's - you know....hostile to women.

Typhon being female doesn't count...she's been brainwashed by The Patriarchy (tm).


Brainwashed? The Patriarchy(tm) had me at the complimentary cookies!

I betrayed the sisterhood for a s'more.


Typhon, we are so good at brainwashing you that you didn't even realize that  The Patriarchy (tm) doesn't give out free cookies! You bake them for us  :wink:
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 29, 2006, 06:42 PM
Quote from: "Factory"
Hate to say it, but it's not gonna happen.  Feminists disregard this board, since it's - you know....hostile to women.


Ha.  I'm a feminist and I'm here.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 29, 2006, 06:49 PM
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: PowerMan72 on Mar 29, 2006, 07:33 PM
:evillaugh:
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 29, 2006, 07:41 PM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?


On the specific subject mentioned?  I couldn't; I wouldn't characterize women as oppressed as an overall gender in the US of 2006.  Too strong a word.  Thank goodness.  :)  I'm more than happy to debate Typhonblue (if she wants) but it'd have to be on a different issue.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 29, 2006, 07:41 PM
Ooop, Lisa just got cornered.

:)

Obviously, you're here to try and "educate" someone...either yourself or someone else.  by all means go ahead....at least you're not whining.

:)
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 29, 2006, 07:44 PM
Quote from: "Factory"
Ooop, Lisa just got cornered.

:)



Nah.  Dr. E asked me already in the past if I wanted to debate TB on this subject and I already told him no, for the same reason.  ;)
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 29, 2006, 07:48 PM
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?


On the specific subject mentioned?  I couldn't; I wouldn't characterize women as oppressed as an overall gender in the US of 2006.  Too strong a word.  Thank goodness.  :)  I'm more than happy to debate Typhonblue (if she wants) but it'd have to be on a different issue.


"Oppression" is THE raison d'etre for the Feminist movement to begin with.  Without "oppression" there is no feminism.  While it's wise to admit there is no such "oppression" in a place where dozens of people are salivating at the thought of being able to shove false statistic after false statistic back down the fetid feminist throat it came out of, it sort of kills off the first aspect...namely, that you are a feminist.

Or did yet another "new" form of feminism happen lately.  I do admit, women are scrambling so fast to distance themselves from the label of "feminist" while still spouting feminist rhetoric that it's difficult to keep track.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 29, 2006, 07:53 PM
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?


On the specific subject mentioned?  I couldn't; I wouldn't characterize women as oppressed as an overall gender in the US of 2006.  Too strong a word.  Thank goodness.  :)  I'm more than happy to debate Typhonblue (if she wants) but it'd have to be on a different issue.


"Oppression" is THE raison d'etre for the Feminist movement to begin


Exactly.

Quote from: "Factory"
Without "oppression" there is no feminism.


"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson

And there are still a few legal quirks and bents, and multiple cultural de jure issues, to be sorted out along the way while keeping an eagle eye on the historically VERY new freedom and equality of women.  And women are still oppressed elsewhere in the world, tragically.

Quote from: "Factory"
it sort of kills off the first aspect...namely, that you are a feminist.


Aw, c'mon.  I admit to being a feminist on a regular basis...

Quote from: "Factory"
Or did yet another "new" form of feminism happen lately.  


I'm insufficiently trendy to be able to say.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 29, 2006, 08:05 PM
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?


On the specific subject mentioned?  I couldn't; I wouldn't characterize women as oppressed as an overall gender in the US of 2006.  Too strong a word.  Thank goodness.  :)  I'm more than happy to debate Typhonblue (if she wants) but it'd have to be on a different issue.


"Oppression" is THE raison d'etre for the Feminist movement to begin


Exactly.

Quote from: "Factory"
Without "oppression" there is no feminism.


"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson

And there are still a few legal quirks and bents, and multiple cultural de jure issues, to be sorted out along the way while keeping an eagle eye on the historically VERY new freedom and equality of women.  And women are still oppressed elsewhere in the world, tragically.

Quote from: "Factory"
it sort of kills off the first aspect...namely, that you are a feminist.


Aw, c'mon.  I admit to being a feminist on a regular basis...

Quote from: "Factory"
Or did yet another "new" form of feminism happen lately.  


I'm insufficiently trendy to be able to say.


That Thomas Jefferson....such a wise-ass.  Seriously, if you feel honestly that you should be protecting women's interests who am I to say otherwise?  The difference I have seen is that you don't whine that people here don't like you because you're a woman (OK, there ARE some woman-haters in here, but again - that's life), you know that people around here don't like you because you rarely address a direct question with a direct answer when you know your position is wrong, are about to be proven wrong, or a favourite aspect of women's privelege is threatened.  :)

But honestly...to be serious a second here...

I respect the fact that you have convictions, that you stand by them, and you debate with - rather than preach to - the people here.  Usually.  :)
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Sir Jessy of Anti on Mar 30, 2006, 01:29 AM
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "lkanneg"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Would you like to debate Typhon Lisa?


On the specific subject mentioned?  I couldn't; I wouldn't characterize women as oppressed as an overall gender in the US of 2006.  Too strong a word.  Thank goodness.  :)  I'm more than happy to debate Typhonblue (if she wants) but it'd have to be on a different issue.


"Oppression" is THE raison d'etre for the Feminist movement to begin


Exactly.



Even I only a couple of times suspected that though you may be a complete liar, you are also intellectually dishonest to boot.

The original qoute was, "Oppression" is THE raison d'etre for the Feminist movement to begin with." i.e. denoting a common theme of victimization politics.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 30, 2006, 06:59 AM
Quote from: "Sir Jessy of Anti"

Even I only a couple of times suspected that though you may be a complete liar, you are also intellectually dishonest to boot..


That's quite the personal attack, Sir Jessy.  Especially consdering that the person I was posting to had no trouble with my response to him.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: hansside on Mar 30, 2006, 07:21 AM
I am glad to see there is consensus on whether women in the west are oppressed today.

But were they ever?

This, of course, depends on the definition of the concept oppression. Normally oppression is considered a Marxist term.

I think women have been systematically excluded from influence in the public sphere in the past, but oppression is something else.

Further, this is all very much an anthropocentric discussion. In many animals males are dominant over females ( or vice versa ) - do we call that oppression?

In fact you might argue that feminism is trying to oppress or suppress nature by forcing its highly abstract and artificial 50/50 distributions on a population, that is not 50/50 in its needs and abilities.

My idea of a solution is individualistic free distribution, where people make their choices according to needs and ability - not to fit into some ideal constructed by a social movement.

Seriously, try removing the state - all of it - and see things go to a more natural equilibrium.

Nobody is happy in a place that only serves the false ideals of a particular group, where people are not free to go their own way.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 30, 2006, 08:37 AM
Quote from: "hansside"
I am glad to see there is consensus on whether women in the west are oppressed today.

But were they ever?



More to the point...who gives a fuck?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 30, 2006, 09:12 AM
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "hansside"
I am glad to see there is consensus on whether women in the west are oppressed today.

But were they ever?



More to the point...who gives a fuck?


I do.

This myth has been used to pummel us for decades.  The vast majority of people in the US if you were to ask them if women had been oppressed would nod their head and say, "Sure."  If you counter that and say you don't think that is so you are looked at like a nut and are immediately accused of being a woman hater.

We have got to put an end to this myth.  It is the foundation of the lies that have been repeated so often that they are now "common" knowledge.

This is important.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 30, 2006, 09:19 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "hansside"
I am glad to see there is consensus on whether women in the west are oppressed today.

But were they ever?



More to the point...who gives a fuck?


I do.

This myth has been used to pummel us for decades.  The vast majority of people in the US if you were to ask them if women had been oppressed would nod their head and say, "Sure."  If you counter that and say you don't think that is so you are looked at like a nut and are immediately accused of being a woman hater.

We have got to put an end to this myth.  It is the foundation of the lies that have been repeated so often that they are now "common" knowledge.

This is important.


True, but usually this sort of thing is a "given" in most conversations surrounding it.  I usually find it's better to just simply say "I don't give a rats ass WHAT happened to women 100 years ago since it has no bearing at all on today.  More to the point, do YOU (meaning the person I am debating) mean to tell me that you have so FEW problems that you have to fixate on whether or not women 100 years ago could fucking VOTE?  Are you serious?  

Then I'll ask them when men got the vote.  They never actually know.  Then I get to show them essentially that the entire basis for thier victim mentality is based on half-truths and misunderstood history.

If they keep arguing I walk away, since they have then shown themselves to be True Believers (tm), and nothing I can say will take the "victim" mantle away.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: gwallan on Mar 31, 2006, 01:15 AM
Quote from: "Factory"
...based on half-truths and misunderstood history.


Not "misunderstood". Deliberately misrepresented.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Factory on Mar 31, 2006, 08:07 AM
Quote from: "gwallan"
Quote from: "Factory"
...based on half-truths and misunderstood history.


Not "misunderstood". Deliberately misrepresented.


I disagree.  Most of the women that I've talked to about this sort of thing genuinely DON'T know history as it's recorded...only the women's studies versions.

Which is why I heartily disagree with the existance of this "course".  Teaching lies as "herstory" runs counter to the stated aims of higher education.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 31, 2006, 08:47 AM
I searched an intro to women's studies book on amazon for the word "oppressed" and it gave me a listing of the 25 times within that book that the word oppressed is used along tith the surrounding text.  Very interesting stuff.  You too can have fun unearthing the lies of women's studies.  Maybe we should have a thread to paste in the biggest lies we find by going here:  

 Link to wome's studies book on amazon.   (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019515035X/sr=8-2/qid=1143818087/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-4193676-6234300?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

So Lisa, what do you have to say about all of these references to oppression in these texts?  Is this feminism?  Do you believe this?  


Women's Realities, Women's Choices : An Introduction to Women's Studies (Hunter College Women's Studies Collective)
by Hunter College Women's Studies Collective
   

25 pages with references to oppressed in the Paperback edition (1995):

1.    on Page 30:
"... fear of women in social conditions (Ember, 1978). Some conclude that fear of women is greatest where women are most oppressed. Expressed fear of women may or may not be universal; it is certainly variable in its manifestation. Venerated Madonnas While ..."

2.    on Page 37:
"... color. Such an omission can never be benign, as Patricia Hill Collins notes, since suppressing the knowledge produced by any oppressed group makes it easier for dominant groups to rule because the seeming absence of an independent consciousness in the oppressed ..."

3.    on Page 76:
"... possible. But socialist feminists also recognize that traditional socialism has failed to understand the specific ways in which women are oppressed as women and not merely as workers (Gould, 1976; Sargent, 1981; Jaggar, 1983). Socialist feminists emphasize that the traditional gender ..."

4.    on Page 78:
"... women, for example, all have some interests in common with the men of our groups because we have also been oppressed as a group. Some feminists consider themselves radical because they see the overthrow of gender domination as the most fundamental ..."

5.    on Page 151:
"... and community held by a cultural and ethnic group are imposed upon one's attitudes and responses to lesbianism. For racially oppressed groups, lesbianism may seem like a betrayal of our ethnic community. Among African Americans and Native Americans, for example, reproductive ..."

6.    on Page 176:
"... do not conform to the historical experience of many within the dominant group but also exclude absolutely the realities of oppressed women who are exploited by the power of the dominant group. This has never been expressed more clearly than in ..."

7.    on Page 180:
"... racial, ethnic, and class stereotypes, those that apply to gender promote subordination . Women may be in triple jeopardy, being oppressed on the basis of gender, race or ethnicity, and class. As a result of being discriminated against and excluded because ..."

8.    on Page 181:
"... describes these social relations , and reflects the image of reality held by the dominant group in society. Women in oppressed groups, whose sense of ourselves and the dominant group may differ radically from the stereotyped versions offered by the dominant ..."

9.    on Page 182:
"... to the resources by which to shape what we can do and how. Individuals and groups in subordinated positions are oppressed by the force of the dominant culture, and in the end, this process places real limits on self-realization. As women ..."

10.    on Page 184:
"... others form a base of power that The Psychology of Racism in White Feminists The fact is, white wimmin are oppressed; they have been "colonized" by white boys, just as third world people have. Even when white wimmin "belonged" to white ..."

11.      on Page 193:
"... order that promotes the relationship. Resistance, like the Black Power movement of the 1960s, fought back against the negative stereotypes. Oppressed groups find it difficult to express their own versions of themselves, however; they are "muted" by the dominant discourse. Women, ..."

12.    on Page 195:
"... constrain access to resources? How does gender factor into these identities? 4. If society teaches negative stereotypes to members of oppressed groups, how can members of such groups support each other and recapture self-esteem? 5. What specific projects in your area, ..."

13.    on Page 250:
"... almost never enough to pay the actual costs. From the figures given above, it is clear that the most economically oppressed ethnic groups in this country are those experiencing the most severe negative economic effects of divorce. However, economic setbacks may ..."

14.    on Page 306:
"... women of Ladyland in that there is no trade conducted with other countries if the women in those countries are oppressed . Other utopias we consider challenge the institution of marriage and the practices of childrearing; in both cases, the solution ..."

15.    on Page 326:
"... ascribed to groups of people by virtue of race, religion, ethnic origin, or gender, it has been difficult for the oppressed group to gain sufficient power to alter the status quo. This pat- 326 ..."

16.    on Page 331:
"... of behavior. But in simple societies, and often in new religions or the religions of the very poor and the oppressed, these specialists are like ordinary people in most other ways. Women or men, they have to do what others do ..."

17.    on Page 366:
"... children to read and write? Why should the dominant group in any society fear education in the hands of an oppressed subgroup? Does literacy bring power? UNESCO defines literacy as "the ability to read and write a sentence in daily life" ..."

18.    on Page 440:
"... care of all the "dirty work," unless there are lowlier aides and orderlies to assume these tasks. That nurses are oppressed may be less obvious, but equally true. Nurses are treated as inferiors by physicians, often addressed by first names by ..."

19.    on Page 453:
"... in the Later Years, edited by Lois Grau and Ida Susser. New York: Harrington Park Press, 1989,105-19. Roberts, Susan Jo. "Oppressed Group Behavior: Implications for Nursing." Advances in Nursing Science (July 1983):21-30. Rodin, Judith, and Ickovics, Jeannette. "Women's Health: Review and ..."

20.    on Page 543:
"... power structure and its victims and have acted on behalf of children, the poor, workers, and other groups of people oppressed by the system. Economically advantaged women have assisted women from different social classes, and women in all social classes have ..."


21.      on Page 552:
"... to such rhetoric as the liberation ethic, which holds that men as well as women have deplorable lives and are oppressed by the present structure. Thus the system must be transformed to provide humane lives for all (Freeman, 1976). Some feminists ..."

22.    on Page 558:
"... discipline of feminism. They enable students to become aware of what women have accomplished and of how we have been oppressed. Once we become conscious of the issues feminists are raising, the world may never appear the same as it did ..."

23.    from Front Matter:
"... are working to replace ignorance and fantasy with views that have greater validity. Realizing that discriminatory laws and customs have oppressed women, that this oppression is disgraceful and harmful to all human beings, and that we can through our persistent and ..."

24.    from Front Matter:
"... it difficult to arrive at a consensus. Those of us who were brought up as or find ourselves members of oppressed groups may find it particularly difficult to see what we have in common with those whom we have learned to ..."

25.    from Front Matter:
"... of our gender who have suffered other types of oppression. And those of us who have been part of groups oppressed for reasons other than gender may have to face the fact that sexism exists in our own group. Fighting discrimination ..."
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 31, 2006, 09:08 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"

So Lisa, what do you have to say about all of these references to oppression in these texts?  Is this feminism?  Do you believe this?  


Hi Dr. E,  

I'm not totally sure what you're asking me to do here.  Do you want my opinion on each of the partial sentence exerpts you gave, outside of their context (since context is not provided)?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 31, 2006, 09:12 AM
I was curious about your reaction to the multiple references to oppression in an intro to women's studies book.  This is obviously common practice for this sort of book.  You have basically said you don't think women are oppressed and that seems to run counter to what the women's studies people seem to think.  I'd be curious to hear whatever comment you might have.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: lkanneg on Mar 31, 2006, 09:23 AM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
I was curious about your reaction to the multiple references to oppression in an intro to women's studies book.  This is obviously common practice for this sort of book.  You have basically said you don't think women are oppressed and that seems to run counter to what the women's studies people seem to think.  I'd be curious to hear whatever comment you might have.


Well, I'm not much of an expert on women's studies...I took one class in college that was a HIST/WMST class but it wasn't really about feminism or gender oppression; it was about notable American women from 1900-1950 and it only discussed feminism if the woman being studied at the moment was part of the feminist movement, and then only in the context of what she did regarding it.  No philosophical/political general discussions of feminism, gender-based oppression, etc.  I'd actually have to read a women's studies book, really more than one, several, to compare my opinions about gender oppression with the "mainstream" women's studies opinions.  The best I could do here right now is look at the sentence exerpts and give my comparing/contrasting opinion of what they seem to be saying as standalones and what I think.  If you'd like me to do that, I could give it a shot.  Unfortunately, I don't have any women's studies books on my reading list at the moment.  (I'm really more of a SF/Fantasy reader.  ;) )
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: hansside on Mar 31, 2006, 09:46 AM
Dr Evil are you familiar with Daphne Patai's "Professing Feminism:  Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies"

I read it a while ago in I believe she adresses the issue of opression.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Sir Percy on Mar 31, 2006, 05:01 PM
Such repetition, 25 times just in the intro, is oppressive in itself. It is an hypnotic mantra. The reader has little explanation of what the oppression is that is being spoken off and no time to consider the scope or depth or appropriateness of the word before it is repeated again several times. The objective of the repetition is to build up a resentment and an anger, a sense of victimhood without allowing the reader the opportunity to determine if it is true or not. Further, the 'oppression' is historical, in the past, and  'oppression of other people, yet the feeling is in the present, in the person of the reader. Frankly it is not only intellectually dishonest, it is boring, mind numbing.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: gwallan on Mar 31, 2006, 05:29 PM
Quote from: "Factory"
Quote from: "gwallan"
Quote from: "Factory"
...based on half-truths and misunderstood history.


Not "misunderstood". Deliberately misrepresented.


I disagree.  Most of the women that I've talked to about this sort of thing genuinely DON'T know history as it's recorded...only the women's studies versions.

I guess it depends on the motives you ascribe to the authors of those books. It is their misrepresentation of history I was alluding to. I don't for a moment believe those authors simply "misunderstood" what they were writing about.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Mr. Bad on Apr 03, 2006, 10:46 AM
Great thread E.!

I believe that the 'equality' aspect of feminism is germane to this conversation:  Feminists routinely argue that they are also very interested in equality between the sexes because according to their theories much, if not most, of the inequality we see today is due to power imbalance and oppression of women (and minorities) by (white) men.  However, I've yet to be able to get a feminist to debate or even discuss the many, many ways the men were also "oppressed."  This is crucial because while I personally believe that women were "oppressed" in times past, so were men - and IMO the "oppression" men experienced (and still do) far outweighs what women have endured.  Therefore explanations re. the causes of the inequality we observe between women and men don't hold up when "oppression" of women and men is weighed and accounted for.  

Lisa and typhon, care to take that topic on?  I'd sure like to see you two go for it.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Gungerassa on May 17, 2006, 05:38 AM
Quote from: "IMHO"
Good luck with finding a feminist.  They know they can only speak in certain feminist-friendly environments where everybody agrees the sky is pink with green polka dots.  Introduce reality to a feminist, and they refuse to debate.


EXACTLY!  Feminists have got what they want, so why allow themselves to be challenged.  

If it were about equality, they would be furious about the way the Duke-Lacrosse guys are being treated by a known liar.....It would be in the best interest of the NOW gang to make sure women don't lie about rape because that makes it bad for women who really have been raped, but they are silent about the matter....Not good.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: manhoodsbliss on May 18, 2006, 11:12 AM
Dr Evil bloke ill debate but im british so my views may be bias and applicable to british women.  but find me some female anti feminists.

au revoir
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Mr. Bad on May 18, 2006, 12:23 PM
Quote from: "manhoodsbliss"
Dr Evil bloke ill debate but im british so my views may be bias and applicable to british women.  but find me some female anti feminists.

au revoir


All riiight, we have a taker!  Can't wait to see typhon take this lunatic, er, feminist on.  :ouch:  :popcorn:

And I think typhon's at least Canadian (God's country), so she's almost a Brit.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Quentin0352 on May 18, 2006, 12:36 PM
PLEASE LET IT BE PUBLIC! Just have everyone else promise not to post and if anyone does just delete their posts with a warning and those two having a known ground rule not to respond to any but eathother!
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: contrarymary on May 18, 2006, 05:12 PM
Did Dr. Evil check the IP on this to make certain it's not our good friend what's his name?  Indiana Jones?

The style of writing is somewhat similar.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: CaptDMO on May 19, 2006, 01:59 AM
Quote from: "Quentin0352"
PLEASE LET IT BE PUBLIC! Just have everyone else promise not to post.....
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Sput...grt....toh.....gree...whic...FINE! *harumph*
Fair enough! I guess I could abide.
I believe that was the idea from the onset.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: typhonblue on May 22, 2006, 03:52 PM
Oh jeeze... I don't even know if I have time for a debate anymore.

Besides I think debating MHB would be akin to eating jello with chopsticks.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Luckynkl on Jun 27, 2006, 07:20 AM
I read your offer, Doc, in that other thread, which led me here.  So what is it you'd like to challenge me to do again?  Debate a Pokemon?   :lol:

Sorry.  I already shut off the cartoons and had breakfast.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Jun 27, 2006, 08:00 AM
So Lucky are you up for a serious debate?    Yes or no?

Or would you rather continue your insults and distractions?  As I remember it you already have two warnings so just one more and you will be gone.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Cog on Jul 06, 2006, 04:30 PM
Holy shit.

I take off a year or three, poke my head in to look see for old times sake and who do I see?  Lucky and Dr. Evil swapping spit in the shower (almost) just like the good old days.

Now all we need is Lynne and we can have ourselves a good old fasioned Ho-Down (sp?).
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Jul 06, 2006, 05:41 PM
Cog!  Great to see you!  How you been?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Cog on Jul 06, 2006, 05:50 PM
Doing well Dr. Evil.  Does everyone rotate back through sooner or later?  I was surprised to see Lucky although perhaps not surprised.  I just  checked the strife board to see if that still lives (evidence seems inconclusive).

I wonder which board has Lynne lubricating his erogenous zones with the output of drooling young feminists nowdays?  Perhaps Lucky slew the Lynne dragon after all this time

Ever hear from David?  Anniee?  Elaine? um... UR?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Jul 06, 2006, 06:06 PM
Quote from: "Cog"
Doing well Dr. Evil.  Does everyone rotate back through sooner or later?  I was surprised to see Lucky although perhaps not surprised.  I just  checked the strife board to see if that still lives (evidence seems inconclusive).

I wonder which board has Lynne lubricating his erogenous zones with the output of drooling young feminists nowdays?  Perhaps Lucky slew the Lynne dragon after all this time

Ever hear from David?  Anniee?  Elaine? um... UR?


Wellllll...actually quite a few of the original folks are still around.  Galt is here, Devia, Titurel, neoteny, Dan Lynch, Gonzo, Bilbo and quite a few others.  I would like to hear from David but I haven't seen or heard from him in quite a while.  

So what about those Jets this year?   :wink:
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Cog on Jul 06, 2006, 06:27 PM
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Quote from: "Cog"
Doing well Dr. Evil.  Does everyone rotate back through sooner or later?  I was surprised to see Lucky although perhaps not surprised.  I just  checked the strife board to see if that still lives (evidence seems inconclusive).

I wonder which board has Lynne lubricating his erogenous zones with the output of drooling young feminists nowdays?  Perhaps Lucky slew the Lynne dragon after all this time

Ever hear from David?  Anniee?  Elaine? um... UR?


Wellllll...actually quite a few of the original folks are still around.  Galt is here, Devia, Titurel, neoteny, Dan Lynch, Gonzo, Bilbo and quite a few others.  I would like to hear from David but I haven't seen or heard from him in quite a while.  

So what about those Jets this year?   :wink:

Well I am not sure about the wink Dr Evil but us Jets fans have a rooting interest in the value of your (our) 2nd rounder next year.  History suggests that a very young head coach in his first season and with a bad team is usually looking at a rough ride for the first year or two.  That said, the draft was very solid indeed for the Jets, the AFC East is certainly not the beast that it once was so picking up a win here or there is not out of the question.

When last we spoke you were doing the high-brow equivalent of yucking it up at what a heist that the Redskins managed to pull from the Jets in free agency.  How'd that all work out for you guys in the finish?

You do however seem to be on the plus side of the ledger in the Coles for Moss trade.  So it goes.  Santana was a wussie for us and I think he was as good as he was going to get for you last year.
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Jul 06, 2006, 07:07 PM
Oh Cog, only a jets fan could think that men in green tights could play football.  Last year Lavatory Coles got creamed, here are the numbers:

Coles caught 73 balls, Moss 84.
Coles gained 845 yards averaging 11.6, Moss gained 1483 yards averaging 17.7.

Coles got 5 TD's to Moss's 9.
Coles had 6 receptions over 20 yards and only 1 over 40 yards
Moss had 24 receptions over 20 yards and had 10 over 50.

You got hosed on that one.  It was a green hose!  My apologies for the thread drift.  

I 'd be curoius to hear your take on the gender stuff these days.  Any new ideas or observations?  What have you been thinking on?
Title: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Daymar on Jul 06, 2006, 07:19 PM
Quote from: "Cog"
the AFC East is certainly not the beast that it once was


The Dolphins look like they could be a new beast and the Patriots will most likely be back soon. But don't worry, the Bills will probably be in a sharing mood with their 6 division games...
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: taylortailwinds on Feb 20, 2007, 09:24 PM
This thread turned into talking about football?????

I'm bristling with giggles over this.  :D
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Feb 21, 2007, 06:42 PM
We got so bored waiting for a feminist we couldn't resist talking about important stuff like football....
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: outdoors on Mar 19, 2007, 07:37 AM
 I know a few feminist male assasins!!! I will see if they are willing ! Seems when i have confronted them-they took pleasure in twisting my words around !When no one is there!!! I will try and get them to voice their opinion on this thread !
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Mar 19, 2007, 10:20 AM
If they are interested have them email me.

[email protected]
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: devia on Aug 14, 2007, 01:47 AM
The crazy thing is I'm from Winnipeg???

:p



I guess..... GO JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Aug 15, 2007, 08:53 AM
No way, go Yankees!

:icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Aug 15, 2007, 07:37 PM
 GO LIONS ALL THE WAY(I hate  jerry jones and would piss on him R KELLY STYLE if I had the chance........................why build a cowboys stadium in TARRANT NOT DALLAS county; he coulda used the cotton bowl and brought that money to southern dallas)
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Candide on Sep 30, 2007, 03:02 PM

Quote from: Factory
Quote from: hansside
I am glad to see there is consensus on whether women in the west are oppressed today.

But were they ever?



More to the point...who gives a fuck?


I do.

This myth has been used to pummel us for decades.  The vast majority of people in the US if you were to ask them if women had been oppressed would nod their head and say, "Sure."  If you counter that and say you don't think that is so you are looked at like a nut and are immediately accused of being a woman hater.

We have got to put an end to this myth.  It is the foundation of the lies that have been repeated so often that they are now "common" knowledge.

This is important.


Hey!  I remember when the term was "Women's Liberation".  Let's liberate them to their heavy lifting.  :toothy9:
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Luckynkl on Nov 15, 2007, 02:15 AM
Sheesh, doc, are you *still* looking?!   :toothy9:
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: dr e on Nov 15, 2007, 05:00 AM
Lucky!  Now just where have you been?  <tapping foot>  It's been a while.

Yeah, we are still looking for a feminist to argue that women were indeed oppressed in the US.  Nobody wants the job.  I just can't understand why.    :pino:
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: The Gonzman on Nov 15, 2007, 05:24 AM

Lucky!  Now just where have you been?  <tapping foot>  It's been a while.

Yeah, we are still looking for a feminist to argue that women were indeed oppressed in the US.  Nobody wants the job.  I just can't understand why.    :pino:


Oh, that's easy - if the mental midgets can't redefine words, aren't allowed to shout down, and have to provide evidence - and the whole time have to do it without the "Short Penis" insults - then they ain't got nothing.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Mr. X on Nov 15, 2007, 11:45 AM


Lucky!  Now just where have you been?  <tapping foot>  It's been a while.

Yeah, we are still looking for a feminist to argue that women were indeed oppressed in the US.  Nobody wants the job.  I just can't understand why.    :pino:


Oh, that's easy - if the mental midgets can't redefine words, aren't allowed to shout down, and have to provide evidence - and the whole time have to do it without the "Short Penis" insults - then they ain't got nothing.


And they don't have a moderator like Ampersand who will kick anyone who remotely offers a challenging viewpoint.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: KitKat28 on Mar 23, 2008, 07:12 AM
I'm a feminist, a Mother and educated...  intelligent also. 

Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman?  Hope not... I'm ready to start.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: outdoors on Mar 23, 2008, 07:34 AM
well i think you are deserving of your own special thread-i will start it for you-ok
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: The Gonzman on Mar 23, 2008, 08:54 AM
Good.

Please start with TyphonBlue's challenge.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: typhonblue on Mar 29, 2008, 12:18 PM

I'm a feminist, a Mother and educated...  intelligent also. 

Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman?  Hope not... I'm ready to start.


*wipes tear* Ah, that's a good one.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: The Gonzman on Mar 30, 2008, 02:48 PM


I'm a feminist, a Mother and educated...  intelligent also. 

Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman?  Hope not... I'm ready to start.


*wipes tear* Ah, that's a good one.


Yeah, we saw how much nerve she had.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: TheManOnTheStreet on Mar 31, 2008, 04:06 AM

I'm a feminist, a Mother and educated...  intelligent also. 

Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman?  Hope not... I'm ready to start.


Wow..... She really showed us eh?

Actually, now that I think about it, many of us are NOT afraid of said type of woman.  I believe TB, TBQ, and even Devia to an extent fit into that category.....

TMOTS
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Mr. X on Mar 31, 2008, 02:23 PM
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Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman


I am. I am definitly offended by someone confident and assertive enough to spew lies and crap so easily. Even mass murderers are confident and assertive.

Now someone who is rational, logical and can argue a point... that's someone I can admire.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: The Biscuit Queen on Apr 06, 2008, 05:38 AM
Dog who are honestly assertive and confident do not have to run around proving it. Only small, insecure dogs make a big deal out of things.

I think this goes in people, too. I have never heard Typhon say she was  strong, assertive, confident or intelligent, but after knowing her for 6 years, it is obvious.

kitkat just told us which camp she falls into.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: julie on Jul 28, 2008, 01:59 AM
Sorry. Thought twice. you just need to keep doing what you want.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: alenorman on Aug 20, 2008, 08:32 PM
It is not "women" who are oppressed.. it is people, male or female that allow people to treat them that way.  I can very well debate the issue.  I came from an abusive family and been in abusive relationships (personal and professional), but then again, I have seen women who abuse men.  Either way, the abuser can be male or female.  It is not "exclusive" to men.  I don't consider any gender better than the other, I believe in human rights.  If you feel "oppressed" or abused, then get up off your backend and do something about it.  As my brother says, "stop your whining and do something about it".  I concur.. and I'm a woman. 
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: aknapp1112 on Sep 25, 2008, 10:43 PM
is this going to happen? someone willing to debate.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: julie on Mar 10, 2009, 06:45 PM
I still want to speak for true feminists.

Damn, I guess there is no such thing.

Fight over, I win.
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Cordell Walker on Mar 11, 2009, 04:22 PM

I still want to speak for true feminists.

Damn, I guess there is no such thing.

Fight over, I win.


devia KO julie in 1 by brutal left hook/right uppercut
Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: julie on Mar 11, 2009, 08:45 PM


I still want to speak for true feminists.

Damn, I guess there is no such thing.

Fight over, I win.


devia KO julie in 1 by brutal left hook/right uppercut


She sure would. (she better) :greener:

But I would still like the chance.

Except there is no such things a woman's movement any more than there is such a thing as a men's movement. Both are far too fragmented to unify. 

Title: Re: Feminist Wanted!
Post by: Shorty on Sep 15, 2010, 03:43 PM

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Anyone offended by a confident, assertive woman


I am. I am definitly offended by someone confident and assertive enough to spew lies and crap so easily. Even mass murderers are confident and assertive.

Now someone who is rational, logical and can argue a point... that's someone I can admire.


Thank you Mr. X. Intelligence doesn't automatically give you the ability to reason or think logically. In fact, it can do quite the opposite for some people. One of the first things my boyfriend told his friends, when we started dating, is "I finally found someone who's intelligent and has some common sense."  :laughing6: Though, I must admit, it took me a long time to get to this point.