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Main / Farewell

Jun 28, 2006, 05:25 PM

I have enjoyed being a member on the SYG board, and have learned a lot.

In real life, I must frequently compromise in relationships and at work to keep things on track, but I chose to not to compromise intellectual integrity on the Internet.

I did make a provocative statement trying to get people to think about the situation from a different angle, and feel the statement was accurate and true.

I challenge everyone on the board, and the world for that matter, to estimate how many marriages would occur if men did not have a sex drive.  How many women would get married if men could not provide resources or children?

I think it an honest person's answer would be NEAR ZERO, which a reasonable person could then say "none".  Thus it is fair to state that an asset women bring to a marriage is sexual services.  I also think it is odd that when a woman leaves a relationship, courts have little trouble in extracting financial resources from a man, and fail to factor what the man is losing.

I asked Dr. Evil to reconsider his warning and he chose to stand fast and then threatened me with expulsion.  I have reread my original post and think it is provocative, but accurate and true.  

When I discover that I am wrong, I am quick to take ownership of the mistake.  In this instance, I have thought it over and stand by my original post.

Respecting Dr. Evils right to manage his board, and my to obligation to intellectual integrity, I will be leaving the board.

Best wishes to all, and keep up the good work.  Please continue to seek the truth and share valuable information.

You can reach me at [email protected].  Feel free to send links to intellectually rigorous boards (like SYG) that cover men's issues.

Sincerely,
John P.


http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10105

Original post (spell checked this time):

a father should be able to deduct what he spends directly on his children.

It would really burned my butt to be giving money to a woman in that circumstance.

One disadvantage a man has is that his "assets" can easily be separated from him. Taking money as a form of compensation, or penalty has a long historical standing.

The two main "assets" a woman traditionally brings to a marriage is not separable from her - vigina and domestic services.

Clarification/rebuttal:

It is not woman bashing. I just stated the fact that traditionally a woman provides sex and domestic services. A man traditionally provides financial support. When a relationship ends, the man's contribution is easily separated from him, while the same is not true for a woman.

Furthermore - in most cases courts give the children to the mother. It is my impression that traditionally the children were viewed as belonging to the father (example - why do the children carry the father's family name?).

I find it odd that when a relationship ends, society sees an ongoing obligation on the part of the man even though the woman walks away with all of the assets. The man is left without his children, sexual services, domestic services, and a child support bill.

Please retract your warning.

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Main / Our Kathine is at it gain - maybe we should send her flowers

Jun 28, 2006, 11:04 AM

Wouldn't it be better to take up a collection for Rich Gorman so that he can have a bit of a nest egg when he finally gets to begin his life?

(Not that Kathleen isn't worthy of recognition... but if we're giving stuff away here...)

If you want to take up a collection for this young man I think that is a great idea.  My preference would be to praise the writer.  In this case it might be like making sure Paul Revere knew that he was doing something very important and thanking him for it.  There were probably lots of Colonists who could have used thanking or a collect plate but it was Paul who sounded the alarm and in our case will continue to sound the alarm especially if the feedback comes in loud and clear that what she is saying is appreciated and thought to be important.

You can bet your ass that she is taking heat from the fembots for this.  A little counterweight doesn't hurt.

I'm game for some sort of thank you for Parker - she is indeed a friend.  Once a mechanism is in place to for this post it on the BB so we can make it happen.

I will contact Town Hall to see If I can send her some flowers under my name and the gang at SYG - comments?

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Main / The Reality of Child Support

Jun 28, 2006, 10:59 AM

You are right, johnnyp, and you have my support.  I did not see your comments as "bashing" but as relaying the unvarnished truth of the matter.  Does a man get companionship in marriage?  Only if he is lucky; otherwise, he will be manipulated through mind games and constant nagging.  A man is supposed to carry on with his marital role as "provider" in a divorce which was likely forced upon him and gets nothing but grief and debt in return.  The man ends up objectified as a wallet.  There is no justice whatsoever to be found here.  Marriage today is a mockery of what it once was.

What I said was blunt, and did omit many other things involved in a relationship.  

But I think a big reason men get married is to have a sexual companion.  There are many other reasons... but I think sex is a pretty consistent reason.

I think a big reason women get married is to get access to children and support to raise those children.

How many marriages do you think would happen if men had no sex drive, and no resources to provide?  

I remember one thing from my college psychology class.  A study trying to determine if there was a universal appealing thing for people.  They showed pictures of food, and nature, and possessions...  In the end, the two things that had the highest probability to elicit a favorable physiological response were:

For men - it was pictures of attractive women

For women - it was pictures of babies.

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Main / The Reality of Child Support

Jun 28, 2006, 10:03 AM

johnnyp said

The two main "assets" a woman traditionally brings to a marriage is not seperable from her - vigina and domestic services.

This is woman bashing.  Cut it out.  That's a warning.

It is not woman bashing.  I just stated the fact that traditionally a woman provides sex and domestic services.  A man traditionally provides financial support.  When a relationship ends, the man's contribution is easily separated from him, while the same is not true for a woman.

Furthermore - in most cases courts give the children to the mother.  It is my impression that traditionally the children were viewed as belonging to the father (example - why do the children carry the father's family name?).

I find it odd that when a relationship ends, society sees an ongoing obligation on the part of the man even though the woman walks away with all of the assets.  The man is left without his children, sexual services, domestic services, and a child support bill.

Please retract your warning.

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Main / Our Kathine is at it gain - maybe we should send her flowers

Jun 28, 2006, 05:25 AM

Please follow the link so she will know that she is being read.

You must read the entire article.  I started to bold the "good" parts, then realized the entire article is "good" parts.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/kathleenparker/2006/05/03/196032.html

Sex, lies and prison
May 3, 2006
by Kathleen Parker

For the past six months, I've been staring at a 30-pound box filled with court documents and what's left of a young man's life following one college night and a 5- to 15-second disputed sex act.

That is, 5 to 15 seconds into the act of sexual intercourse, she said, "Stop."

He stopped immediately.

Thus, before his 23rd birthday, Rich Gorman of Orlando, Fla., was locked behind bars in the Liberty Correctional Institute near Tallahassee, serving a five-year sentence for sexual battery.

One minute a junior at Florida State University majoring in business/computer systems, the next a prison inmate labeled a sex offender.

I've hesitated to write about the case because all such cases are complex, as we've been reminded the past several weeks by the rape case at Duke University. Gorman's case bears little resemblance to the Duke episode, except that both involve youth and alcohol, a toxic combination in the sexual arena of he said/she said.

The moral of Gorman's story, which can't be proved or disproved in this limited space, is that boys and men accused of rape have little hope of reclaiming the life they once knew, regardless of whether they're guilty or innocent.

Any objective person reading through the testimony and depositions from Gorman's case would wonder how he landed in prison.

The "victim," whom we'll call Chastity, contradicted herself and changed her story several times - all documented in the box at my feet. She was drinking and making out with Gorman earlier in the evening.

She also went willingly into his apartment on the night in question, and this is key. She initially told police that she was pulled struggling from the car and dragged into his apartment, where she was raped. When she was told that parking lot cameras might have captured her going into the apartment, she changed her story, admitted that she wasn't forced, and that she walked voluntarily into the apartment.

My suspension of skepticism ends right there, but there's much more, including a prior rape claim by the "victim" at another college a few years earlier. Same victim, same scenario, except that she recanted in that case, saying she wasn't sure it was a rape because she was drunk. All the preceding was ruled inadmissible during Gorman's trial thanks to rape shield laws.

Again, I'm unable to do justice to the many questionable details of this case. Instead, let's focus on Gorman's nightmare, and what potentially can happen to any male who has sex with a female in the current sexual climate of virgins and demons.

After the sexual encounter - that is, after Gorman stopped when Chastity said, "Stop" - Gorman drove her back to campus and dropped her near her dorm. Chastity immediately called a male friend, who urged her to file a police report. In those next few hours, Rich Gorman's life was being unraveled while he slept.

He awoke to police at the door. Within hours, Gorman was charged with sexual battery and locked up. Within days, he was suspended from his college and his fraternity. Within weeks, his family was devastated, financially strapped, and hell was waiting around the corner.

Gorman went to trial twice in Tallahassee. The first, in February 2005, ended with a hung jury. The second, in June 2005, went so badly for the prosecution that Chastity's lawyers offered Gorman a plea bargain the night before the verdict: 12 months probation, no prison.

But Gorman, his parents and attorneys were so convinced of a not-guilty verdict that they passed on the plea bargain. When the jury issued a guilty verdict, the judge ordered lawyers for both sides to come up with a new plea agreement less than the mandatory 8.9 years.

To his great regret, Gorman signed off on the agreement, which also included waivers prohibiting his seeking any post-conviction relief, including raising claims of ineffective counsel.

Thus, until Gorman is 37 years old, he will be on probation, possibly under curfew, and will have to live under sex offender restrictions until he's at least 47.

Postscript:

Before going to trial, Gorman reconnected with his high school sweetheart. They have a 9-month-old baby girl and hope to marry under more normal circumstances.

Before going to sleep the same night she allegedly was raped, Chastity spent the night and every night thereafter for several months with the male friend she called that night, according to depositions. Within a week of the alleged rape, she was back out partying with friends.

Two lives, two very different outcomes.

Gorman, a regular college Joe, a good student and a good son, lives behind bars for having sex with a gal he thought was willing.

Chastity, whom I only know through her testimony and depositions, may have been a regular college Jane. But she also had a record of finding herself in situations she later regretted. She also apparently had a drug problem.

In February 2004, a year before Gorman's first trial, her father took her out of school and installed her in rehab for a cocaine addiction, according to the father's deposition. Chastity refused to stay longer than three days.

One life goes on. The other is ruined.

Five seconds - or 15 - is all it takes.

Kathleen Parker is a popular syndicated columnist and director of the School of Written Expression at the Buckley School of Public Speaking and Persuasion in Camden, South Carolina.

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Main / The Reality of Child Support

Jun 28, 2006, 05:15 AM

a father should be able to deduct what he spends directly on his children.

It would really burnd my butt to be giving money to a woman in that circumstance.

One disadvantage a man has is that his "assets" can easily be seperated from him.  Taking money as a form of compesation, or penalty has a long historical standing.

The two main "assets" a woman traditionally brings to a marriage is not seperable from her - vigina and domestic services.

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Main / Sexual harassment of men revealed

Jun 27, 2006, 04:46 AM

male (sic) are less likely than women to complain

Men are expected to take lumps and continue marching.  I think women naturally complain more.  I think this is one of the core elements causing the problems we face today.

While men gut their way through problems, women go to the highest mountain top and proclaim to all that they are unhappy about something.

While men (and women) look with distain upon other men who complain, both women and men have sympathy for a woman complainer.

In politics, the squeaky wheel that can deliver the votes is the one that gets the grease.  This has resulted in government and society taking a man's value for granted.

I see no easy solution to this characteristic.  If men stop keeping a "stiff upper lip" and working through adversity, then society is doomed.  If men continue to be taken for granted, there may be a serious problem when large numbers of men begin to notice there is little to be gained from being civilized and "part of the system".

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Main / Australia Gets the C17

Jun 26, 2006, 08:41 AM

Good airplane.  

I've taken a few flights "Space-A" on them (Space-A is Space Available - you can ride for free if there is room)

Steven

I have jumped out of those - not as good at the 141, but better than the 130.

Jumping a c5, is like jumping out of a warehouse! laugh

Being in artillery, we needed HEAVY lift.  If you want to see something interesting - watch a 10 ton truck burn in under a tangled canopy.  You do not want to be under one of those things!

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Main / Murray: Female tennis players shouldn't get same as men

Jun 26, 2006, 07:42 AM

Why don't they seperate they men from the woman's matches altogether, and then base the prize money on the box office draw?

I think we would see that the woman are already riding on the coat-tails of the men.

Why do they not make the matches unisex?

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Main / The new "I was drunk when I had sex so I was raped"

Jun 26, 2006, 07:41 AM

How many legal diapers are we willing to put on women to keep them from having to take adult responsibility?  ***** pampers?

Maybe we should go back to the traditional way - a woman must have a chaperone when out in public.

It is odd that feminists only see one way to solve a problem - put the burden on others.

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Main / "Study": US mothers deserve $134,121 in salary

Jun 26, 2006, 07:18 AM

It seems like Salary.com has a sequel

What 's a Dad Worth

Aparently a dad is woth $9,000 les than a Mom. I knew that was coming, in fact that was the only reason I clicked the link. .

Oh - that is great - more BS to layer on top of the original BS.  We now have a BS layer cake - it may look pretty, but it still tastes like BS.

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Main / Australia Gets the C17

Jun 26, 2006, 03:53 AM

well - as you know, a man should be seen and not heard. [/sarcasm]

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Main / Where Do You Stand?

Jun 25, 2006, 08:25 PM

I think all of the special interest group attention is part of the problem.  Why do women have so many special programs?  If government stayed out of all this special interest activity (men/women/blacks/hispanic...) we would not have so many issues.

Force of government should not be used in most of these areas.  Taxation and giving your money to a special interest group is a form of force (if you do not believe be, try not paying your taxes and see what happens).

If government stayed out of all this crap, I think the natural forces of value and contribution would find a rational balance.

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Main / Americans more socially isolated than ever

Jun 25, 2006, 08:20 PM

Do not forget transportation and the highly mobile job market.  I have worked in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia.  It is difficult to maintain friends and family ties when we are moving around so much.

My ex gf lived in Virginia, Denver, Sacramento, and now Florida.

We have a very efficient and productive economy - but at what cost?

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Main / Tell me again that a woman is BETTER than a man???

Jun 25, 2006, 12:57 PM

I want to see that clip!

It just goes to show you how the patriarchy operates.  The women were using non-confrontational methods to police the situation, and the man used confrontational methods that resulted in a citizen being shot.  Then the "system" has the gal to fire the two women.  I bet the man who apprehended the so called criminal will get a decoration for bravery - so tipical. [/sarcasm]