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Study: Women outpacing Men, but pay lags.

Women Are Passing or Catching Men in College Areas Once Dominated by Men

by Ben Feller, AP education writer
Provided by the Associated Press

Women now earn the majority of diplomas in fields men used to dominate--from biology to business--and have caught up in pursuit of law, medicine, and other advanced degrees.

Even with such enormous gains over the past 25 years, women are paid less than men in comparable jobs and lag in landing top positions on college campuses.

Federal statistics released in 2006 show that in many ways, the gender gap among college students is widening. The story is largely one of progress for women, stagnation for men.

Women earn the majority of bachelor's degrees in business, biological sciences, social sciences, and history. The same is true for traditional strongholds such as education and psychology.

In undergraduate and graduate disciplines where women trail men, they are gaining ground, earning larger numbers of degrees in math, physical sciences, and agriculture.

''Women are going in directions that maybe their mothers or grandmothers never even thought about going,'' says Avis Jones-DeWeever, who oversees education policy for the Institute of Women's Policy Research.

''We're teaching girls that they need to be able to explore every opportunity that they are interested in. It's good to see that is happening,'' she says.

The findings were part of a 379-page report, ''The Condition of Education,'' a yearly compilation of statistics that give a picture of academic trends.

Women now account for about half the enrollment in professional programs such as law, medicine, and optometry. That is up from 22 percent a generation ago.

The number of women enrolled in undergraduate classes has grown more than twice as fast as it has for men. Women outnumber men on campus by at least 2 million, and the gap is growing.

In business, by far the most popular degree field among undergraduates, women earn slightly more than half of all bachelor degrees; it was one-third in 1980.

''You have a large number of women in the administrative work force, and in the past, they were never able to be the managers and the vice presidents,'' says Claire Van Ummersen of the American Council on Education. ''Now they have those opportunities, and they are taking advantage of them. They can be something other than an administrative assistant.''

The U.S. population is 51 percent female, the same as it was three decades ago. Yet legal and cultural barriers have fallen during that time, creating opportunities for women, experts say.

Women also have become savvy about boosting their income for themselves and their families by recognizing the value of advanced degrees, Jones-DeWeever says.

Women who work full time earn about 76 percent as much as men, according to the Institute of Women's Policy Research. Women are underrepresented in full-time faculty jobs, particularly in fields such as physical sciences, engineering, and math.

''We clearly have a long way to go,'' says Van Ummersen, vice president for the council's Center for Effective Leadership. She says some universities are replacing retiring professors, giving women a chance to move into tenured positions.

The enrollment of men in professional degree programs is declining.

''There's every reason to celebrate the success of women. And one has to be concerned about what's happening with men,'' says Russ Whitehurst, director of the Institute of Education Sciences, a research arm of the Education Department.

Researchers say that men, for different reasons, are not enrolling in or completing college programs with the same urgency as women.

One reason is a failure by schools to teach boys well at an early age, leading to frustration by high school. A second is a recognition by young men that they can land, if only temporarily, some decent-paying jobs without a college degree.

Boys need to have their aspirations raised just as girls have, says Tom Mortenson, senior scholar for the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education. By middle school, he says, many boys are tuning out, and the problem is only getting worse.

''Women have been making educational progress, and the men are stuck,'' he says. ''They haven't just fallen behind women. They have fallen behind changes in the job market.''
Main / Man vs. Woman in the ring?
Aug 30, 2005, 01:14 PM
Gotta love the opening sentence  :roll:

Man vs. woman in the ring?

Tim Dahlberg / Associated Press

Ann Wolfe wants to do what a lot of women just dream about - beat up a man.

She'll try to do it in a fair fight, with gloves on and, hopefully, a referee to keep order. The guy she plans to beat up on says he's just a poor country boy, but knows a little something about the fairer gender.
"I love kissing a woman and hugging on them, that's what they're made for," Bo Skipper says. "But if she wants to beat on me, I'm gonna hit her back."

Those aren't exactly fighting words, unless you shout them out at a National Organization for Women convention. Around Laurel, Miss., where Skipper lives, that's just kind of the way most guys look at things.

Wolfe, though, isn't exactly the cuddly sort.

"Boxing saved me," Ann Wolfe said. "It gave me the chance to be as gentle and kindhearted as I am." (Courtesy ANN WOLFE BOXING GYM)

She is a 34-year-old fighting machine who channels into her sport the anger she was filled with while homeless and on the streets. It usually doesn't pay to get in this woman's way.

"If I stop fighting there's no telling what's going to happen to me. It's in me to fight. If I didn't box I'm the kind of person who would kill 50 people," Wolfe said. "Boxing saved me. It gave me the chance to be as gentle and kindhearted as I am."

Great. This isn't just woman versus man. This is hayseed against potential serial killer.

Indeed, this freak show is too freaky even for Las Vegas, which is why they're holding it in Mississippi. Mark your calendar for Oct. 15 if for some reason you feel compelled to buy the pay-per-view.

Get about 20 of your buddies, load up on the beer and have a good ol' time.

Just make sure the women are in the other room.

"You know how women are, they're going to try and take it further and further," Skipper said on the phone the other day during his lunch break from his job at a machine shop in Laurel. "I got to stop it in its tracks."

It's hard to give boxing a black eye, because the sport keeps hitting itself below the belt. Boxing has survived scandal, tragedy, Mike Tyson and ear biting, but matching a man against a woman takes it to another level, one just below pro wrestling.

At least with Hulk Hogan and The Rock you get some comedy relief.

This charade is just sad - and dangerous, too.

"I can't even fathom anyone letting it happen," said Marc Ratner, who regulates boxing in Nevada. "People get injured anyway in this sport without this. It just frightens me."

Sadly enough, fighters do get injured. Last month one of them died in Las Vegas after a fight.

So why increase the risks by having a man fight a woman, even a woman who seems to be far more talented than Skipper, who has been knocked out in his last two fights and has never beaten a fighter with a winning record.

If it wasn't for finishing third in a tough man competition at the bar at a local Ramada Inn a few years back, Skipper never would have become a fighter. As it is, he's never made more than $1,200 for a fight. So he leaped at the chance to make some money by being the foil for Wolfe.

"At first I said, 'Man, I ain't fighting no woman,"' Skipper said. "But she challenged me and I can't see a woman beating me. I'm going to train like I never did before."

Wolfe, who is 21-1 with 15 knockouts, says the fight wasn't exactly her idea either. She wants desperately to make some big money by fighting Laila Ali, who is perhaps the only woman boxer who can sell tickets. But she claims Ali has been running from her, so she's taking the money where she can get it.

And money means a lot to a fighter who says she sometimes got only one dollar for her bouts.

"I didn't really want to fight boys; I didn't want to fight a man," Wolfe said. "But what else am I supposed to do?"

OK, here's where Skipper is supposed to insert the line about women belonging in the kitchen. But that would make this too funny, and there's nothing funny about either this fight or the way Wolfe approaches boxing.

The sport saved her from a life that was going nowhere, helped her channel her aggression and, she says, made her a better person. Her family was so poor as a child they had no running water or indoor toilet, and she's proud she has made something of herself with only a sixth-grade education.

"Now people want to put me under the microscope, but I had to fight to eat, to sleep, to live, and nobody said nothing," Wolfe said. "In the streets they'd say, 'Ann is tough as hell, one tough son of a gun.' I've been fighting all my life."

Fighting is one thing. Being part of a circus act is another.

The fight at the Mississippi Coast Coliseum is billed as "Ann versus Man," and will take place at 165 pounds. The purists may hate it, but it will likely sell to two kinds of people - those who want to see a woman put in her place and those who want to laugh at a man who can't do it.

"This ain't about fighting, it's about living," Wolfe said. "Some people don't agree with it. But, after they speak to me they still may not agree, but they understand what is going on."

They should, because it's really not that hard to understand.

It's just tough to stomach.

Study: Stay-at-home moms deserve high pay

Updated: 1:03 p.m. ET May 2, 2005NEW YORK - The old adage that "a mother's work is never done" remains as true now as ever. Today's stay-at-home moms are learning what their predecessors always knew -- they'd be making a lot of money doing their job outside the home.

Just in time for Mother's Day, an informal study conducted by Web site shows that stay-at-home moms would earn an average of $131,471 annually, including overtime, if they received a paycheck.

A sampling of the 5.4 million stay-at-home mothers were asked to come up with job titles that fit a general description of their daily routines.

The titles -- which reflected the most time-consuming parts of their day -- include day-care center teacher, van driver, housekeeper, cook, chief executive officer, nurse and general maintenance worker, the survey showed.

Of course, a stay-at-home parent does not work typical office hours. The hypothetical median salary is based on a 100-hour work week and assumes caring for at least two children of school age.

"The importance of this calculation or this estimate is just calling attention to the fact that being a stay-at-home mom is not a cop out, it's not the woman's way out of the work force and it's not a job of no value," said Bill Coleman, senior vice president of compensation at "There is a lot of value there, and some would say it's even priceless.", which tracks what jobs pay, suggested that the annual base pay for a 40-hour stay-at-home mom's workweek would be $43,461. Mothers would earn an additional $88,009 a year for 60 hours of overtime each week.

"I think I should definitely make that much," said Joanna Butti, who stays at home to care for her twin boys. "It's a hard job."

Coleman said feedback on the figure was mixed. Some felt mothers deserved more, some less. In general, though, many were pleased to see a figure above $100,000.

"Stay-at-home moms are enthusiastic and upbeat about their jobs, they didn't seem to need external validation," Coleman told Reuters. "They were also happy that they were getting attention, and that somebody was out there telling the world that what they do is valuable, and perhaps more valuable than one would expect."

Mothers said you cannot attach a figure to the time spent with their kids.

"I'm giving 150 percent of myself to them many hours a day," said Debra Miley, who stays home with two-year old daughter Olivia and four-month old son Gregory. "You cannot attach a dollar value to the time that you spend nurturing your child if you're lucky enough to be a stay-at-home mom."
Main / Matt Weeks
Nov 20, 2004, 11:22 AM
Interesting debate about the Matt Weeks marriage strike article. Thought I'd share...

It's nice to see more men in a non-activist setting, standing up for their beliefs about the problems with marriage.

The Associated Press
Updated: 9:27 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2004DENVER - Advocacy groups urged the media Thursday to refrain from identifying the woman accusing Kobe Bryant of rape while she pursues her civil lawsuit against the NBA star, despite a court ruling that will lift her anonymity in less than two weeks.

The woman's attorneys had asked U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch to allow her to be known only as Jane Doe in court documents and during hearings. The judge rejected the request late Wednesday, saying it would be unfair to Bryant and that her privacy has already been invaded to the extent that granting her anonymity would have little effect.

The woman's name has been on the Internet for months, in part because of mistakes by courthouse staff in posting case filings on a Web site. Tabloid newspapers have published her name and photos, and she was repeatedly identified in a nationally syndicated talk-radio show last fall.

"The main thing we're concerned about is not as much as (her name being used in) the court documents, as we're hoping this doesn't open the door for the mainstream media outlets to print her name," said Cynthia Stone, spokeswoman for the Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault. "Most people out there do not know her name. You actually have to look for it, and most people aren't going to actively look for her name."

The woman's attorneys said the ruling was not a surprise and that she had been prepared for it. They also said they had no intention of dropping the suit, which seeks unspecified damages.

Most news organizations, including The Associated Press, have policies against using names of alleged victims of sexual assault. The Rocky Mountain News had urged Matsch to keep court proceedings as open as possible.

"We're just pleased that the judge upheld the important principle of openness in public courts," News Editor John Temple said in the paper Thursday. He said the paper has decided not to print her name for now.

Geneva Overholser, a former Des Moines Register editor who discontinued her Web log for the Poynter Institute after editors declined to let her identify Bryant's accuser, said she thought the ruling would prompt many news organizations to name the woman.

She said she believed it was common practice for the media to identify accusers in such cases when they made the step from criminal to civil court.

"Effectively, her name is public and the mainstream media are not the gatekeepers they once were. Not only does this strike me as unfair, but it's impractical and has not protected her from death threats or protected her privacy," said Overholser, who was a central figure in the Register's Pulitzer Prize-winning series that graphically recounted a rape victim's ordeal.

In the 1990 series, an Iowa woman agreed to make her identity and ordeal public, helping to ease the stigma of rape.

Legal experts said federal judges rarely allow plaintiffs to remain anonymous, except in cases involving children or whistleblowers who might fear employer retaliation.

"Kobe Bryant has not ever been convicted of anything," said Duke Law School professor Erwin Chemerinsky. "He is at this moment innocent in the eyes of the law and yet he has been besmirched by being accused of rape."

Kevin Higgins of the Rape Assistance and Awareness Program said nationally, only 16 percent of alleged assault victims come forward to authorities. He said using the accuser's name in the civil case could discourage other accusers from even seeking help.
Main / Why won't he propose?
Sep 06, 2004, 06:03 PM

You've been dating forever. Why won't he propose?  
By Debbie Magids, Ph.D.  

You're lucky enough to have met your soul mate and you've been together for as long as you can remember. He's intelligent, kind, a good communicator and financially stable. You have a companion to go to the movies with, cook dinner with, go on vacation with and you have a steady Saturday night date. You're in love, devoted to each other and committed to not seeing anyone else. Sounds perfect -- you couldn't wish for anything more. But you do...

You want marriage.

You don't bring the topic up directly any more for fear it may scare him away, so you resort to more subtle tactics. You drop hints: You talk about friend's marriages, upcoming nuptials or your dreams for the future, but no bite -- he simply nods or changes the subject.

In your head you know it's only a piece of paper and can reason that you are married in every other sense of the word. You know he's faithful and devoted to your relationship, but you're still frustrated. Maybe you want to be married to legitimize your union, to fit into societal norms, or to prove to yourself that you are "marry-able." Regardless of the reason, you want it to be official - you want that piece of paper - but so far, no proposal.

What is the problem? He loves you -- why won't he propose?

The Never-Married Man

If he's never been married at this stage of the game, there may be some deep-rooted commitment issues. These issues are not about you; they are about him and have been with him forever. These issues won't change unless he wants them to.
He may not believe in the institution of marriage. He may have strong political and/or philosophical feelings about signing a piece of paper to prove he loves you.
He may simply like his life the way it is and believes that the love and companionship you share is enough.

The Divorced Man

He may have been through a very messy divorce, leaving him with a great deal of pain and anguish -- something he's not anxious to repeat.
He rationalizes that his ex-wife and he were once in love, much like the two of you, but the stressors of marriage led to divorce. He may equate marriage with unhappiness and refuse to live that way again.
Financially, he may have taken a huge hit. A man's finances and earning ability help to define his self-worth; he may never want to risk having to fight for "half" his fortune again.
Maybe he was lied to or manipulated -- trust is a difficult thing to regain once it's been abused.

The Widowed Man

He may have experienced such a profound loss that he isn't willing to risk losing someone like that again.
He may have guilty feelings about moving on with his life -- if he's dating you, that's one thing, but if he marries you, then he may feel like he's replaced his wife.
If there are kids involved, he may have feelings about bringing another "mother" into the picture.

Whatever the reason, you need to make some decisions for yourself. Take a hard look and try to understand why marriage is so important to you. If you're in a great relationship and can live without marriage, you may live happily ever after. Chances are, he's not going to give in at this point, and if marriage is what you need, it may be time to find a new beau.


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Main / More child support wackiness
Aug 10, 2004, 06:46 AM
From another board I visit. Thought you might wanna see some more typical reactions to some one getting drilled with high child support.

Notice one of the first reactions is the obligatory "grow some balls" & "be a man" comment.
Introductions / Hello All!
Feb 25, 2004, 12:02 PM
I've been a lurker here for about the past month or so & just wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm 31 yrs, single with no children and work as an engineer.

Typicaly I'm not very chatty, but I really wanted to extend my thanks to many of you for sharing your thoughts & POV on todays gender issues. It has certainly been an eye opener for me and a relief that I'm not the only one who is deeply concerned about the demonization of men today.

I look forward to learning more & will contribute when I can.

Peace   :)