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Main / Removing All Doubt...
Sep 27, 2010, 05:17 PM

The victim, an American activist, wanted to press charges but leftist activists put pressure on her not to do so, so as not to damage the struggle against the 'occupation.'

Main / Thought of the Day
Sep 08, 2010, 01:24 PM
Back in the 1990s, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now, we are trusting the economy of our country, our banking system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans to the same nit-wits who couldn't make money selling pussy and booze?
Main / Riddle me this, Batman...
Sep 06, 2010, 06:00 AM
Vatican: stoning in Iran adultery case 'brutal'

How come it is that the oppressive, evil, misogynist Roman Catholic Church is speaking out on this, but the Feminist Champions of Womanlyhood are mute?

Things to make you go "Hmmmmmmmmmmm......"

And the term "brutal" is not exactly soft-pedalling things.
Main / OT - Funny as hell
Sep 04, 2010, 04:58 AM
Cee Lo Green - FUCK YOU (Official Video)

Even has kind of MRA themes.  I'm laughing my ass off.  I am so getting this guy's album.
Main / And the Score is
Aug 28, 2010, 06:33 PM
Glenn Beck - 300,000 +

Race Hustler Al Sharpton - 3,000

The State Run Media still isn't showing any photos of Al's "crowd."

Epic fail.
Main / The Story of Mike
Aug 16, 2010, 06:02 AM


I'm writing this to tell you of an old friend of mine, a man I greatly respected and the tale of his life. What makes this man special is the that by all accounts his life, his married life, working life, and family life, was a "success" by the standards laid down by modern society. I'll call him Michael (not is real name) and he was a true blue worker, very intelligent, and raised to provide by two parents who stayed together and raised their son with strict Baptist values. He wasn't all that handsome but invested his younger years diligently, pursuing an engineering degree at Duke University back when grade inflation didn't exist (early 1960's). The girls he dated, well, he didn't date much as he was a nerd and being the 60's the girls with the new freedom used that freedom to ride the cock train of football players and players in general. The new age of sexual emancipation left Mike at the station. Years after college Mike met a girl who had gotten her fill of the bad boys, and they started dating. True she was no virgin while Mike was, she'd had several relationships and relations before but she recognized the value of Mike in that he had a new job with an up and coming career track - computers! Misinterpretation of his prior religious teaching ordered him to forgive this girl's past and instead focus only on the future. It was his duty after all. He married her and worked, hard. His father worked for the railroad and the company had taken care of him so Mike knew that this was the way to a good life. Work hard, and the company would reward and take care of you. Then the 1970's hit with the Carter recession and all that loyalty and hard work amounted to nothing. Still he tried again, found another job (that forced him to move frequently) and this one wanted even more hours than the prior job. I remember him saying "It's Friday do you know what that means? It's only two more working days until Monday!" and off he'd go. Everyday. For 43 years. He had two children, a boy then a girl, and worked while his wife stayed at home. Later on after the children were out of high school Mikes wife dabbled a little here and there and worked part time occasionally for a convenience store. The extra money was nice but not enough so she pecked Mike continuously to make extra money. It was never enough. "Go tell your boss you need more! You should show him your value! A real man would provide for his children!" and on it went. Mike was getting older now, and had always had diabetes, a life long condition he had to treat with regular insulin injections. The shots were painful but he needed them to think straight. Of course there was the time he was laid off in 1980 with no insurance and the daughter needed braces. A real man knows when to put others first after all. And of course when the mother in law needed a new roof, and he really had promised his wife that new washing machine, and oh she needed to go see her mother for Christmas as well and airfare was so expensive. So the medicine(s) waited, more than once.

His children were boomerang types, his daughter slutted it up with a guy and moved in with him but later on came back home until she was able to snag a younger version of Mike. His son dropped out of college a few times and then came home to be a bum for 2 years after deciding that work was too nerve wracking. Mike would never throw his children out so they stayed for several more years. Several more. Finally when his son hit 28 he found a slut with a child from another guy and got her pregnant. The girl wanted a lavish wedding but his son was only working at a book store and couldn't afford it - no big wedding so it seemed. Mike's wife knew better of course, and argued with him for months about paying for the big day. She'd gotten a lavish wedding (thank you Mike) and didn't Mike know how important a wedding is to his future daughter? Yes this was his vacation money, yes after so many years of hard work he was finally going to get to go do something he always wanted (to see the Northern lights in Alaska). Yes he was going to finally get that Harley Davidson and ride up there after 35 years of no vacations at all. BUT This was going to be his daughter according to his wife and his kids HAD to come first.... So the girl got her wedding. Then his real daughter needed help with a house. Her new husband turned out not to be a copy of Mike after all but a thug with a criminal record who had just lost his job. Why did his daughter lie about this guy to Mike? Her wedding was very expensive too. Oh well it was too late now and his daughter did need a place to live and she just found out she was pregnant! He didn't have the money but his wife researched it and 2nd mortgages were so easy to get back then. True, his house after so many years of work was almost paid off but his grandchild needed a real home and there was no way his new son in law could afford it and Mike was told he could now work up to 10 hours more overtime if he wanted. 60 hours wasn't too much of a sacrifice and he'd at least get a leg up on that promotion, maybe.

Another decade passed and after scrimping and saving and even more hard work the mortgages were paid off. In a rare perfect storm both children (now well into there 30's with kids of their own) didn't need something. The mother in law didn't need a new appliance, or home repair, or another new car being long past her driving years. Yes, now, this was the time. Mike now 64, proudly strode into the Harley dealership and filled out a custom order sheet. In 8 weeks a shiny new Harley would arrive and he would get to ride it. He would finally take a vacation, his first real vacation since college. Sure his wife and kids had gone on many many vacations over the years but he always had stayed behind - to work. Something always came up. One time it was that there just wasn't money or neighbors to take care of - of all things - the dogs! 3 Lassa's that Mike never wanted yipping and shitting all over the place. Ugh... still at least his wife would get a vacation - she deserved it after all didn't she? There was even that one time (he hoped it was just the one time) where he found out his wife had hooked up with an old boyfriend when she said she was going to visit her mother. He forgave her of course a divorce would have devastated his kids (he knew they were his - or at least he hoped) and of course he'd have lost everything with the divorce laws - besides wasn't he a Christian? Shouldn't he just forgive and forget? What does his pride or even himself matter? He had never cheated on her or even been with another woman - not even once - but that was normal and he knew that she appreciated that didn't she?

The last big push before new years came at work and Mike was tired. His wife as always spent Christmas and new years with her mother - and he knew this time she really was with her mother - she was too old to cheat on him now wasn't she? When she got back he would be free of dog sitting and he would take his new Harley on the road for the first time. Shiny and red, he hadn't even ridden it yet. He read the owner's manual 100 times and knew everything about it, he couldn't wait and it was all he talked about at work! It was brand new and kept in the garage but he stripped the engine and cleaned and oiled everything just to make sure! It was polished, waxed, and hospital clean. All was ready. His first ride on his HIS!! brand new Harley to see the Northern lights. It was the culmination of his life's work and now it was really going to happen. Mike was so excited.

On December 29th his daughter called and left an angry message on the tape machine. She wanted to visit but the snow was blocking the drive-way and she had her daughter and no snow shovel! Why the f**k hadn't Mike shoveled the driveway? He knew she was coming to visit that lazy good for nothing piece of crap. NOTE: the words she used were in reality more caustic than this - I have lightened them considerably.

On January 3rd his son came to visit and found his father cold and lifeless surrounded by a ring of dog shit. He'd had a massive stroke, likely from the diabetes, and the paramedics said they thought that he didn't suffer for long - but it was hard to tell. When Mike's wife returned later on she immediately made plans to sell the house. She raged that Mike hadn't left her enough life insurance and no instructions on what to do - what a irresponsible man what the hell was he thinking? He should have provided better for her especially since he knew she was too old to work! She was 62!!! Insurance was so expensive for someone in his condition but if he hadn't squandered *their* money on that stupid bike he could have afforded it. Her old boyfriend George was so much more successful - oh how she regretted not marrying him! The bike was listed on Ebay that week. "Never ridden Harley - brand new! $17,000 or best offer".

By every PC measure Mike's life was a success. He worked his whole life for someone else and doubtless made millions for his bosses over the course of his career. He took care of 3 people and two grandchildren that would have been on the dole if not for his efforts, and paid punitive taxes to take care of many more along the way. He never collected a dime of social security or unemployment even when he was laid off - he was just too proud to file. He never took Medicare and he made lots of profit for 2 large banks, 2 colleges, and never once thought of himself. He died cold and alone, surrounded by shit, never once having done anything for himself. His epitaph was a bike on Ebay - his life's dream - sold to a dealer for $15,500 - the best offer his widow could get several years ago. She took a cruise with the money. America thanks you Mike. You were a real success, and moreover a blueprint for what we expect a modern man to be. R.I.P.

Don't ever forget yourself in all you do.
Main / Well, then again
Aug 03, 2010, 03:04 PM
...Looks like the easier thing of it all to do is to believe that Ricky Hollywood is still a shithead.

Now, if this were my SON and some girl did this to him, I'd want to kill the bitch.  Same if it were my daughter.    But since it's Sarah Palin's daughter, this is the cue for the Palinhaters to jumpt in and say how it's "different" and how Levi isn't a scumbag, and how it's deserved because it's Teh Ebbil Sarah Palinworsethanhitler!

Yep, that's right, that's where we want to go and where we want to be  - just as low down and skanky as the women we complain about.  EQUALITY AT LAST!  Being the same kind of scum is equal!

>insert puke smiley<
Main / Falsely Accused Dad
Aug 03, 2010, 07:38 AM
Should be required reading.  It's chilling, and I am sure it will be even more so to similar victims here.

Beene - you've been warned - it has flashback potential.



Falsely Accused Dad is a blog that details my personal story about being falsely accused of a horrific crime and the devastating impact it had on my life and the life of my wife and children.  The purpose of this blog is to share the details about the events that occurred over the past 2 years as a result of this accusation.  I want to make other men around the world aware of how their lives can be completely devastated by the words of just one child.
The False Accusation

In November of 2006, I was accused by a family whom we considered our friends, of inappropriately touching their 4 year old daughter during a party out my home.  The accusation was ridiculous, as in our house at the time were more than 15 adults.  Regardless, I was arrested, placed in jail, released, lost my job, removed from my home for a year, lost all but our closest of friends, and shunned by our neighbors.  For the first time in all of my years of living in the US, I have a criminal record.  What makes all of this so shocking is I did nothing.  There was no evidence beyond the word of a 4-year old girl.

At this point, I know what some of you must be thinking and I am fully aware of the types of feelings this type of crime stirs up.  But please, just hear me out and remember I too have children that I love and cherish dearly.

I ask that before you judge me, take the time to read my story, understand the events that occurred in my life and learn how our judicial system truely works.  I promise you, my story will change your life and will make you change the way you behave around other children. My story will reveal how in a country that prides itself on "Innocent until proven guilty" is living a lie.

My story is long and involves more than 2 years of events.  It will take you sometime to read, but I would encourage you to read every entry, every word.  Don't make the mistake of letting a similar situation happen to you.  Learn from the mistakes I made.

Again, to read all about the accusation and the chronological events that followed, please visit my story page.  I'll add new entries 1-2 times per week until I get caught up to current day and then continue the story as it continues to unfold.

Read it, and read it all.

This is the real enemy, the real beast, fed and nourished by American-style liberalism and feminism, may the world forgive us for foisting it off on them.
Main / Oh My.
Jul 22, 2010, 10:37 AM
It looks like there's only three choices for some people - Re-assess their positions, stubbornly cling to a set of proven lies, or admit to going along with known lies from the beginning.

The word that is being looked for is "Smoking Gun."

Mom of 3 accused of molesting 4 teen male friends of daughter

July 15, 2010


A secretary for the Village of Chicago Ridge is accused of molesting four of her daughter's 14- and 15-year-old male friends and giving them alcohol and marijuana.

Cathleen M. Miller, 40, of the 5800 block of West 109th Street, is charged with three counts of criminal sexual assault and one count of criminal sexual abuse.
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Cathleen M. Miller was ordered held on $900,000 bond on charges alleging she sexually assaulted four teen boys after providing them with marijuana and alcohol during parties at her home.


Mug shots in the news

Miller, the mother of three daughters, the oldest of whom is 14, is accused of having sexual intercourse with two of the boys.

She allegedly molested the boys in her home between February and June, said Andy Conklin, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office.

She remained jailed Wednesday night. Bond was set at $900,000 Tuesday.

Miller is not allowed to have contact with her teen daughter because the teen allegedly witnessed some of the sex acts.

Miller's lawyer, Robert Olson, said the woman denies any wrongdoing and said her daughter's friends brought their own alcohol and drugs to her home.

The alleged sexual abuse came to light several weeks ago after one of the boys wrote an apology to Miller's teen daughter on Facebook, Olson said. The girl had allegedly walked in on them. His parents saw the message and went to police, Olson said.

As police started asking questions, Miller checked herself into a hospital. She was considering suicide, Olson said. A relative of Miller has custody of the teen girl and her 3- and 10-year-old siblings.

Miller recently separated from her husband and got an order of protection against him for herself and their daughters after an alleged encounter June 6 in their home. She claimed a long history of physical and emotional abuse and had consulted Olson about filing for divorce, he said.  Wanna bet that is a fraud? - Gonz

Miller said her husband in June had "spit in her face, poured water on her and pushed her to the ground," scraping her left knee, according to court documents.

Miller has worked for the village for at least 20 years, officials said. A spokesman for the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services said his office was investigating the family.

The comments are actually open right now.
...Of not seating kids travelling alone next to males?
Main / How to get Banned from a lefty Blog
Jul 09, 2010, 04:00 AM
Pose the following question:

"Scenario 1: It's 2013, and back at the end of 2010 the cause of homosexuality was discovered, to wit, an imbalance of hormones during gestation. Over the past two years there has been spike in abortions, as people have been aborting their gay fetuses.  Legislation has been proposed to restrict abortion for this reason.  Discuss.

Scenario 2:  It's 2015, and now a treatment for developing fetuses has been discovered by where a series of injections will cure homosexuality in the womb.  Keeping in mind the oft repeated mantra of "Nobody would CHOOSE to be this way!" discuss."
Main / Fuck yeah, like a motherfucker, man.
Jul 08, 2010, 06:17 PM

Go read.

The kid is 11 years old.

Just fucking awesome covered in awesome sauce.
Main / Credit where credit is due
Jul 01, 2010, 12:37 PM
The backstory:

On one of my hobby lists, one woman is fond of posting man-bashing jokes.  Despite complaints to the admin, nothing is done about her, and sadly, there is too much good info otherwise to unsubscribe.

So, I have just put Lisa into a twit filter, so I don't have to read her crap.

Today, I get this across the list from another lady on there.  Sadly, the joke" was trimmed out, but I'm reprinting the text of the message.  And editing for spelling.

Lisa, I'm about sick of the manhating from you, and this goes to far.  I will have you know that this past year I lost my father to cancer he got working with asbestos so my mother didn't have to work, and as you know, Tom is currently recuperating at home from the accident he had early this year.  {ME, FYI- Tom drives long haul trucks, and got into a winter accident which has him home and recovering}  He was doing this to bring in money, and so I could take care of the kids and not have to work full time.  Hes laid up, so I could be safe at home.  The men in my life are honest and hardworking, and not lazy and shiftless, so why don't you just shut up.  If your mad at men because you can't get a date, you need to stop using "I'm fat" as an excuse, and realize its probably because your ugly inside.  Every one of these things insults my husband, my brothers, my dead father and my sons, and I resent it deeply, so why don't you just put a sock in it and stop sending this spam to the list?

Out-fucking-standing, Jennifer.  And whenever any woman asks "Well what do you want us to do about it?"


This started a torrent of people complaining - and re-complaining - and Lisa has been suspended and forbidden from posting this kind of shit ever again.  Next time she is gone.

Men complaining for years - no action.

One woman backing our play - action.

See the fucking difference?
Main / I Love Fred Reed
Jul 01, 2010, 09:09 AM

Awesome.  Just fucking awesome with awesome sauce.

Certain dialogs become common:

"All you want is sex!"

"Uh...what else have you got?" or "So what?"

Or, "Marriage? Why? Would sex be better? Would food taste better? I don't get it."

Or, "Marriage doesn't make sense. Do you want to eat in the same restaurant all your life?"

Marriage of course has only the function of getting the woman's legal hooks into the guy. It's a set-up aimed at child support and nothing else.

Anyway, it was the world women crafted, but somehow it didn't suit them. Nothing does. They relapsed to their default position: Furious.

Read it.  And read it ALL.
Main / Noticing some common threads
Jun 27, 2010, 07:20 PM
..when I put up comments on other places.

The thing that gets many women wound up and flying off the handle is to state, in one form or another, that I have standards which she must meet, and depending on how she passes my tests determines if she gets sorted into (a) get away, (b) Never more than social interaction, (c) Flirt buddy, (d) Arm Candy, (e) fuckbuddy, (f) good enough till a Bigger, better deal comes along, or (g) LTR material.

For some reason, the notion that women might have to meet my standards, audition for me, and might actually fail that audition drives an astounding number of them into a frothing rage.

Anyone else have such experiences?
Main / Did you ever think
Jun 23, 2010, 06:00 AM
One more time I hear some bitch caterwauling about "There's no real men anymore!  Where are all the real men?"  I have their answer -

Did you ever think you're not finding them because they are avoiding YOU?  That you're not much of a woman, and not worthy of them?

Maybe you tend to attract lowlifes only interested in sex because that's all you bring to the table?
Main / New York is giving up....
Jun 18, 2010, 06:13 AM
N.Y. Moves Closer to No-Fault Divorce

The new legislation still has to pass the State Assembly, which is considering two bills that would include some version of no-fault divorce. But advocates said Tuesday that they believed that victory in the Senate, which was controlled by Republicans until last year, gave the measure momentum and a high likelihood of gaining approval in the Assembly, which is also controlled by Democrats.

Gov. David A. Paterson, a Democrat, is expected to support the bill if both houses of the Legislature approve it, although a spokesman cautioned that Mr. Paterson would need to review any final legislation before signing it.


"What I'm hoping is that because the Assembly now has a partner in the Senate, that will give impetus to help the Assembly move along," Senator Ruth Hassell-Thompson, a Democrat from Westchester and the Bronx who was the chief Senate sponsor of the bill, said after the vote.

And cue now the hordes of faux-MRA liberals with the litanty of rationalizations of how this is a good thing, and the G.O.P. is just as bad, no better, worse, worst, worser than worse, WORSETHANHITLER.

You want no-fault divorce?  Here's how to do it right.

Divorce comes in more than one flavor.  The first is the traditional fault-based divorce.  Your spouse is abusive?  A unwilling to reform addict?  And adulterer?  Sick in the head and unwilling to have treatment?  Guilty of heinous crimes? Okay - prove it.  And it is easier than it sounds.  If you can prove bad behavior, the bad behavior counts against them for division of property, custody, etc.

Oh - False accusations are bad behavior.

The second is mutual agreement.  The divorce agreement is up to you.  You work out division of property, division of debt, custody, child support, maintenance, and all of that.  Yo agree to forswear any further state involvement, to wit, any dispute of this down the road becomes a purely civil matter; the state will not intervene as an advocate, and you are responsible for litigating it.

The last is to walk out.  That's it.  Go.  You get the clothes on your back, a change of clothes, your personal legal papers, half the debt, and a child support obligation, plus two years of spousal maintenance to be calulated by imputed income.  That's it.  And unless you can prove fault after the fact - you may never go to court to change the terms.  Your visitation is fixed, and you do become the second class parent.  You don't surrender parental rights to be informed, but your ex-partner makes all decisions.

Anything beyond this is a gift.

And if you disappear for more than a month, it is "Abandonment and cause for a fault-based divorce.  Disappear for more than a year, and it is the second type of no-fault divorce.

Problem solved.  Except that people become responsible for their own actions, and lawyers will lose business, there's no reason it shouldn't be law in all 50 states.

Won't do anything to reduce divorce now, but going forward it will make people think hard before getting married.
Main / As of right now....[UPDATED]
Jun 17, 2010, 09:54 AM
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[This user is an administrator] Buck Ofama
You just gotta love how the prosecutor uses the term Deadbeat 'DADS'...I know several woman that haven't paid squat, yet the prosecutor won't go after them!! And one in particular was ordered when her kids were 5 and 7, one is now 20 with her own child and the other has just turned 18...she has never even paid a years worth of support. Guess Brizzi thinks men are the only ones able to be deadbeats!!!

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I agree. My ex-wife got way behind on hers and they just decided not to address the situation when I tried to file contempt papers.

And the hunting license? Wow! Take my car, take my freedom, but PLEASE don't take my hunting license!!!

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So, when is the crackdown on deadbeat moms committing welfare fraud?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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It's sad stupid people are allowed to breed
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That's a good point.
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[This user is an administrator] effinfedup
sure hope they go after Allen L. Trumbo..he thumbs his nose at the system and owes 20k...go get him Mr. Brizzi..I sent you his address...
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$130,000 behind? Sheesh, this guy needs a job working for the mayor.
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[This user is an administrator] Blue
Brizzi should be going after deadbeat parents...not just singling out men.
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I always thought that Middle School Gym Class was where young girls were officially taught how to be scheming. There they would learn how important it was to marry a man who was successful. A chump who made plenty of money. Could provide her with a wonderful home and a comfortable lifestyle. It was all a matter of timing. Find that man. Get married and get pregnant before he caught on that he was obligated to provide a Free Lunch Program for life. Once kids came along, he was stuck, and she would ride the Gravy Train. Very simple plan. But we have so many of these moronic tramps who get themselves pregnant way too young by trashy losers who have no intention of providing anything. Get themselves into a big mess and then bellyache about how unfair it is. Becoming a conniving, dominating, manipulating wench takes planning and focus. Its not for the lazy and stupid.
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~I just wonder if prosecutor Carl Brizzi used the term "Deadbeat Dads" or if it was the indy channel that used it.  

Come on indy channel, fess up and admit that you made up this headline.  

The story says deadbeat parents but the headline says deadbeat dads.  

Even the link mentions deadbeat parents.  

I am sending this story to Glen Sacks if it does not get changed.

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My son is seriously ill and owed over $10,000 in back support that has never been collected. His "father" abused him and had an excuse every time there was a court date.
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[This user is an administrator] Bosco
I agree with singleman, my ex wife owes over $5000 in back child support yet not one bit of help from the prosecutors office. I have full custody my my kids and I am raising them alone. The indychannel needs to correct this story asap.

Go there, like these comments, flag the misandrist ones, and add your own.

Our word is getting out.
Main / Rebecca Haeglin
Jun 16, 2010, 08:45 AM
Looks like one of the Right Wing Witches has swooped down on her broomstick to piss on father's day and take a hatchet to men.Alrighty, then.  My turn now.

I want to address something to all the "Good Christian Women" out there.

Ladies, grab hold of one ear.

Good.  Grab hold of your other one, too, now.  Got a good grip?  Okay.


There's an epidemic of stupidity among you all, to wit: You are all big on the whole "Man Up" routine but when anyone proposes altering the Social or Legal status quo in such a way as would make this possible, you oppose it.  Then you chowderheads - every last pair of swinging tits of you - blame men for not doing it.

I get the whole "Be in the world, not of it."  It's fine, but there's a point when it becomes blinkered stupidity, such as when you imagine that chanting that somehow makes you immune to civil laws and secular society.

Let me take the case of Jim and Pam to illustrate my point.  I knew Jim and Pam from way back.  They met in the Baptist church, courted, and got married.  I was one of the attendants.  I toasted them at their wedding, and they were the textbook Christian couple.  Jim worked as a factory foreman, and Pam part-timed at a dress shop and did some volunteer work with the ladies of the church.

Pam got pregnant, stopped working, and Jim started taking overtime.  Pam had the baby, and by that time Jim was putting in 60+ hours a week.  Plus lunch, plus travel.  Often he was gone almost 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. 

Jenny was their neighbor, who attended a "progressive" new-agey church who blessed gay unions and all the politically correct things.  She waitressed evenings at a nightclub, and when Pam was home days, their relationship progressed from waves "hello" and short small-talk chats to morning coffee, shopping trips - an adult to talk to.  And boy did Jenny talk.  She ran Jim down.  He was never there for Pam.  Never did "his half."  Left her "all alone" with the baby.  Not a frontal attack, but the usual "poor dearing" when Pam was frazzled.  This eventually bled into spats where Jim was a sonofabitch if he didn't come home and immediately start in on "his half" of housework and diaper-changing.

Just shut up and let me finish.  I know what you are saying and that is not the point.

Pam turned into a seething ball of resentment, and the marriage grew strained, with her kicking him out of bed to the couch - which Jim, as a "loving and understanding" husband did, but with his own resentments.  They went to couples counselling at their church, which was "Beat up the man" almost word for word your man-bashing screed, Becky.  Let the girl win.  Weaker vessel, be more gentle, loving, and understanding, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Pam wanted to take classes, wanted to do some home improvement, needed "me time" so Jim agreed.  To pay for it, Jim had to do some double shifts.  Sometimes every other day.  "He's not there enough, I want, he has to work more to pay, "ME, work?  I'm a Full. Time. MOTHER!"

More resentment.  When he wasn't away working at night, she was off in "enrichment" classes or book clubs.  She needed space, loving and understanding Jim gave what she DEMANDED.

Intimacy went to zero.

And then it came out that some of those nights had been spent in Jenny's nightclub where Jenny first encouraged Pam to "enjoy it when a guy flirts with you" to full on adultery.  After 3 months of no intimacy - rejected by Pam - Pam turns up six weeks pregnant.

BUT WAIT, there is MORE!

What happened when Jim wanted a divorce?  Pam dragged him to more counselling, where he was browbeaten by the ladies of the church to forgive his wife, she is sorry for her sin, think of your vows, she wants to rebuild things, it's Christ-like to forgive, that child is innocent, you shouldn't publicly shame your wife, scandal of divorce, etc. etc. etc.

You know the drill, Rebecca.  Something tells me you'd have fit in well with the church ladies.

So Jim stayed with her.  For three years.  And she refused to have another child "until they were right" and finally they had a blow up, where Jim shouted at her "I've taken your little bastard you had with another man as my own, but you won't give me another child?"  Two days later, Jenny drove her to get an ex parte restraining order - she was "afraid" of what Jim might do to "her child.".  Jim was out of his house.

I won't bore you with the litany of the divorce, which Jim - dumbass, even after all that - tried to fight, and she stonily refused to negotiate.  He lost his house, and is still paying for half.  He's paying support on a child not even his, and she's taken up - or brought out in the open - her former relationship with that child's father.  It's six years later, and he is a mess, emotionally and financially, and was ostracized from his church for the "scandal."  She's going to the "progwessive" church now.

This is just the background.  So I will ask you this - what would you have had Jim do?

He tried talking, counselling.  He forgave her betrayal.  He even set himself up to be the father of a child not his (Man up! Man up!)  He never laid a hand on her, worked his ass off, provided for her, his son, another man's son adulterously concieved, gave her what she asked for.

Specifics, Rebecca.  Not your banal platitudes, and generalities. How specifically could Jim "gone into battle" more for his family?

I'd have bet on them.  Jim - decorated Desert Storm Vet, never a Hell-Raiser or womanizer.  Pam a 3rd generation choir-girl.  While I can't speak for them, if you had told me that they were both virgins, I'd not have any evidence to contradict it.  In fact, Becky, Pam once called Jim "the first and last man for me."

So how would you arm Jim, Rebecca?  He talked, begged, pleaded, reasoned, and prayed.  (Or did he miss his prayers one night after working a sixteen hour shift, so God said no?)  He laid down the law.  I can hardly think of anything more loving or forgiving than to take an adulterine bastard as your own and raise it. He stood with her when she denied him affection and didn't force himself on her. 

His church threw him to the wolves.

He had no legal leverage.  No fault, community property, her misbehavior irrelevant to the proceedings, so on, s forth.

"For the sake of the Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildren......"

He's undatable.  He works a job and a part time job to keep a small apartment and a beater vehicle.  All you "Good Christian Women" cluck about how unfortunate he is, and urge him to keep plugging away and be the man.  Some woman will see him for what he is - someday.  When his obligations are through. When he can provide for you alone, and you not have to live on his income less $1,700 a month child support.  Just not you.  Maybe hen he is fifty and too late to start a new life, eh?  But you can enjoy his retirement as if you were there through the bad times?

I bet if I proposed changing the law so her bad behavior was relevant, so that her groundless protection order was relevant against her, so that she didn't have virtual automatic gaurantees of custody and property, or so that a man known not to be the father of a baby wasn't on the hook for supporting it, where a man known to be the father was identifiable - I'd be called anti-woman and a misogynist.

Of course, I'm sure you "aren't for" what Pam did - but change the social or legal status quo so that she was accountable for it?  OH, THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a movable goal, Becky, because no matter how far Jim went, you'll just claim "he didn't do enough."  That's how I know the goalposts move with you "Good Christian Women" because trying to get you to say "Where is far enough, then?" you dodge.  I'd have an easier time nailing jello to a wall.

Or maybe it's his fault for choosing a bad woman.  Really.  I'm not a fan of "Marriage - The Secular Institution", but Becky - I'd have bet on Pam.  Pam got poisoned.

And Jim had to tools or support to fight against it.  Because feminists long ago, progressively nickel and dimed them away.  Because some women are abused.  Because the child is innocent.  Because, because, because.

Every step of the way, Rebecca, we warned you.  We told you what vile snakes these feminists asking for "just this one little thing, it's Oh So Reasonable" were.  They told you their agenda - to destroy the family - and you turned a deaf ear.  When we fought back against them for the ravening wolves they are, you got offended "because they are still LADIES!"  You told us to tie our hands because of that.  You begged and cajoled us "Well, this isn't a bad thing, we'll just stop with this.  Well, this.  Okay, that."

And when we did fight anyway, you called us wimps, scared of strong women, your turned your backs on us, and worse yet, sided with them - SIDED WITH THEM - as they encroached and took away our male spaces, our ability to provide for our family, to defend them, to be the authority of the family, and said we weren't necessary.

You betrayed us.

And now you have the nerve to accuse us?  Woman, heal thyself.