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Main / Amber Pawlik
Nov 15, 2003, 09:48 AM
Someone seems to be taking your name Amber.......

A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow them."

He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded the attack was unintentional.
Christian Aid says the US is stealing billions of dollars from Iraqi oil --- 80% of the money from the oil that the US has taken is unaccounted for.   Says many of Iraq's poor are worse off than they were under Saddam.
US ranked 135th of 166 countries on freedom of the press by Reporters Without Borders.
Main / So is Butterfly around? :)
Oct 16, 2003, 07:21 PM
So what's been happening here?

Who've we got here?  Any interesting fems?  How many of the old crowd are still here?  What's up with the Ms bunch lately?  Are they open to posting again?
These are just the quotes of the American bunch.  Blair fampously came out with his "Saddam has weapons he can launch within 45 minutes" lie.  Curious as to whether any useful idiots still beleive these simple lies.  If they do then presumably they think that Bush has effectively just given Osama thousands of tons of advanced deadly weapons by his negligence in locating them before the looters.  We already know that one nuclear plant in Iraq was looted and that nuclear material will no doubt find its way into the hands of terrorists.

The last quote is the most recent -- basically the administration has now admited the talk of weapons was just a convenient excuse.

quotes taken from,

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell March 8, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George Bush March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board , March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.

Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George Bush April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country. Donald Rumsfeld April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George Bush May 3, 2003

I am confident that we will find evidence that makes it clear he had weapons of mass destruction.

Colin Powell May 4, 2003

I never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus,
Commander 101st Airborne May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee,
Commandant of the Marine Corps May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers,
Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Donald Rumsfeld May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003

A British documentary claims to have proof that American troops watched as Northern Alliance soldiers allegedly slaughtered thousands of captured Taliban fighters during the Afghan war.

The makers of Channel Five's Afghan Massacre say they have evidence that US special forces were present during the alleged atrocities - in which 3,000 are said to have died - but did nothing to stop it.

Since the US had command responsibility the US regime is the one guilty of any such war crimes.
As with so much that slips out of the mouths of the Dubbya regime, Rumsfeld's confession that the defence department will/is funding/provoking/organising terrorists to carry out attacks on US targets is revealing nothing new.  What is new is that he's admiting it in public.

According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization -- the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)" -- will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.

In other words -- and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan -- the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people -- your family, your friends, your lovers, you -- in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.
History and Politics / Americans = Nazis
Nov 01, 2002, 11:58 AM
Story anout a man who's being prosecuted by America for giving medicine to dying kids in Iraq (a crime in America - elsewhere its a crime not to but American's are nazis).  He's facing 12 years in prison.

He makes an interesting comparison between America and the Nazis.

"We should speak in clear English," he says. "It's killing 5,000 children a month. It's not honest; it's not accurate to say it penalizes the Iraqi people. It kills them. I've been to Auschwitz, I'm Jewish. Nobody would say Auschwitz created hardships for the Jewish people. We need to be honest."

About 2 million Iraqis have been murdered by the American regime over the last 12 years or so.

This article repeats the lie that the sanctions are UN sponsored; they are enforced by America and are against international law (American nazis will no doubt be surprised to learn killing 2 million people is considered a crime elsewhere in the world).

I'd have to say Americans are actually a lot worse than the Nazis ever were.  The Nazis were quite moral people compared to Americans.  The Nazis never claimed the right to murder millions.  The Nazis never claimed the right to invade every country in the world.

House International Relations Committee Chairman Henry Hyde is supporting more terrorism against Latin Amrica by Bush (following on from the failed pro-US coup against Venezuela earlier this year).  

Just days before Brazilians elected radical populist Lula da Silva as their president on Oct. 27, House International Relations Committee Chairman Henry Hyde (R-Ill.) sent President Bush a powerfully phrased letter warning that a triumvirate of political extremists leading economic powerhouse Brazil, oil giant Venezuela and the terrorist-sponsoring regime of Cuba constitute an emerging "Axis of Evil" that the United States must stop

American trained death squads and terrorist attacks have been less popular in Latin America since the 70's and 80's when the US was regularly killing terrorising and invading across the two continents it first claimed absolute dominion over in the 19th century.

Left-based groups were murdered across the Americas by US trained killers.  But now Brazil has elected a left leaning president who, along with the Venzuelan president Bush tried to have murdered this year, might stand up to US terrorist foreign policies in Latin America.  

Presumably Cuba was thrown in just to make an "axis" of evil.

Argentina also might easily fall to the left as a result of the degradations wrought by America on that country this year.

"They also expressed their concern about Mr. Lula da Silva's recent statements indicating an interest in reviving Brazil's nuclear-weapons program, which from 1965-1994 not only wasted enormous resources that could have helped the poor, but also succeeded in designing a 30 kiloton nuclear bomb which could be quickly tested if the program were revived.

LOL.  I love it that they pretend they are concerned with the poor.

It's becoming clear that nuclear weapons are the only way to defend against American terrorism.
American media made a lot of how the German chancellor used anti-Americanism as an election promise, and here's an article saying that a similar motivation probably explains Mexico's surprising and very public refusal to back America in the UN security council.

"Fox has decided he's going to play the nationalistic card and he's urging Bush to publicly get the immigration talks back on track," Mr Grayson said. "But he's also making it clear that Mexico won't be the US lapdog in the UN and that's to garner domestic support for his party in Mexico's own midterm Congressional elections. He's an erratic administrator but a great campaigner."

Although these events are reported briefly by american media the conclusion is not: namely that America is deeply unpopular across the world and opposing America is quickly becoming a vote winner even in countries traditionally strongly tied to America.

In a paper to be published soon in the scientific journal Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, the two academics focus on recent US actions that have served to undermine the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. In a move that stunned the international community last July, the US blocked an attempt to give the convention some teeth with inspections, so that member countries could check if others were keeping the agreement.

Mr Dando believes Washington's motive for torpedoing the deal, which had the support of its allies, was to maintain secrecy over US research work on biological weapons

Of course in a sense it's a question of "Duh, of course the US is breaking one more international treaty by producing weapomns of mass destruction" and of course they sank the new CBW treaty because they were the worst terrorists of all.  However this news comes "at a bad time" for Bush' lattest attempts to look like a good guy.
There have been many whistle blowers from the security agencies coming forward and basically pointing to examples like these where the supervisors have subtly and sometimes rather un-subtly sabotaged anti-terrorism investigations.  Bush and Chaney have both taken steps to prevent an effective investigation.  The new security agency is specifically being exempted from whistle-blowing protection, and the protections in place for the moment are often being ignored.  The pattern seems to be that supervisors in the security agencies were told to avoid catching the terrorists and Bush wants no investigation.

When Edmonds wasn't slowing down enough, that supervisor forced her by deleting her work, she says. "The next day I would come to work and the translation would be gone" she tells Bradley. Edmonds says when she confronted the supervisor, He said, "Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it"

and from a 2nd whistleblower,

According to Edmonds, Dickerson tried to recruit her into that organization and insisted that Dickerson be the only one to translate the FBI's wiretaps of that Turkish official.

When Edmonds refused to go along with her plan, she says Dickerson threatened her and her family's life.

Edmonds also says that when she reviewed Dickerson's translations of those tapes, she found that Dickerson had left out information crucial to the FBI's investigation; information that Edmonds says would have revealed that the Turkish intelligence officer had spies working for him inside the U.S. State Department and at The Pentagon.

Edmonds says she complained repeatedly to her bosses about what she'd found on the wiretaps and about Dickerson's conduct, but that nobody at the FBI wanted to hear about it; she says not even the assistant special agent in charge.

This extract lists some of the evil America has produced since the fall of communism --- their earlier exuse for state terrorism.

It is remarkable indeed that what we call our government is still going around dropping huge amounts of exceedingly powerful explosives upon the heads of defenseless people. It wasn't supposed to be this way. Beginning in the late 1980s, Mikhail Gorbachev put an end to the Soviet police state, then the Berlin Wall came down. People all over Eastern Europe were joyfully celebrating a NEW DAY, and South Africa freed Nelson Mandela and apartheid began to crumble, and Haiti held its first free election ever and chose a genuine progressive as president ... it seemed like anything was possible; optimism was as widespread as pessimism is today.

The United States joined this celebration by invading and bombing Panama, only weeks after the Berlin Wall fell.

At the same time, the U.S. was shamelessly intervening in the election in Nicaragua to defeat the Sandinistas.

Then, when Albania and Bulgaria, "newly freed from the grip of communism," as our media would put it, dared to elect governments not acceptable to Washington, Washington just stepped in and overthrew those governments.

Soon came the bombing of the people of Iraq for 40 horrible days without mercy, for no good or honest reason, and that was that for our hopes of a different and better world.

But our leaders were not through. They were soon off attacking Somalia, more bombing and killing.

Meanwhile they continued bombing Iraq for years.

They intervened to put down dissident movements in Peru, Mexico, Ecuador and Colombia, just as if it were the cold war in the 1950s in Latin America, and the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and still doing it in the 1990s.

Then they bombed the people of Yugoslavia for 78 days and nights.

And once again, last year, they grossly and openly intervened in an election in Nicaragua to prevent the left from winning.

Meanwhile, of course, they were bombing Afghanistan and, in all likelihood, have now killed more innocent civilians in that sad country than were killed here on Sept. 11, with more to come as people will continue to die from bombing wounds, cluster-bomb landmines, and depleted-uranium toxicity.

All these years, they're still keeping their choke hold on Cuba. And that's just a partial list.

There was none of the peace dividend we had been promised, not for Americans nor for the rest of the world.
Where? America of course.  America is so intent on murdering children in Iraq that it is a criminal offense to supply medical aid.

When we get there, the media are waiting. CNN, Reuters TV, Associated Press and other print and television reporters question, photograph and film us in the hospital lobby.

Things get chaotic. There are about 50 Iraqi patients, families and hospital staff milling around. The seven Voices people are giving interviews or holding up banners that read "No War on Iraq" and "Sanctions Are A Weapon of Mass Destruction."

A television crew from Mexico interviews me. The reporter is surprised when I tell him that what we're doing; donating medicines to a needy hospital; is a violation of U.S. law. "You are saying it is illegal in the United States to give medicine to an Iraqi hospital?" he asks. I assure him it is. He's even more surprised by the penalty: up to 12 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines

Cancer rates in iraqi children have rocketed because of the radiological bombs America used against civilians.
America tends to go to war as its first option and negotiate as its last because it is militarily strong but diplomatically weak.  US diplomacy usually consists of threatening military action, trade wars or bribes, usually in the form of suspending previous ongoing attacks on other countries.  Bribery has been the only positive alternative for American diplomacy but it is hitting a problem:  America just doesn't live up to its promises and countries are refusing to believe American diplomats offers.

Story about how the US is attempting to bribe Russia to not help build a nuclear power station in Iran by offering to suspend the trade war it has had with Russia by refusing to allow export of nuclear waste to Russia.

The Americans told the Russians that if they cut off all avenues of nuclear proliferation to Iran, the Bush administration would work to lift restrictions on the import of spent nuclear fuel to Russia, officials from both countries said today. Russia believes it can make billions of dollars by storing and reprocessing radioactive material from around the world, but it has been blocked by the United States.

So the US seeks to prevent free trade to Iran by Russia by offering a bribe to stop preventing free trade with Russia from all over the world.  This outright policy of piracy is what constitutes American diplomacy.  The problem is that Russia just doesn't believe America will follow through.

the suggested deal appeared to be foundering, at least in part because of the mistrust engendered by what Moscow perceives as the broken U.S. promises of the past year.  In an interview today, Yuri Bespalko, a spokesman for the Russian Atomic Energy Ministry, noted that the United States has not lived up to its commitment to remove Jackson-Vanik trade restrictions on Moscow, made last year after Russian President Vladimir Putin threw his support behind the U.S.-led war on terrorism

Broken promises by America seem to be behind the North Korean nuclear program too.

A weakened diplomatic power will mean the US has to further rely on its military to get what it wants.  No wonder North Korea wants a nuclear bomb as a deterent.
One of the hot topics over the current war with Iraq is what the REAL motivation of the Bush administration is (since its painfully obvious their offered justifications are not real).  Some say its a personal/familly vendetta from George Bush's point of view - and he is known to take political opposition as a personal grudge (which in itself is incredibly dangerous and stupid).  Some say it is about Hitler-style world domination - again the foreign policy that bush produced does actually state that is an aim.  Many say its "all about oil", which is bound to be true at least to some extent of course, but more specificall it is perhaps about trying to reign in China by seeking to control oil supplies.

However the most frightening possibility is that Bush wants to bring about the biblical Armageddon and the subsequent Rapture as the Christian Evangelic groups who are his core support want.

As with the others this option sadly has a lot of evidence behind it.  here's a couple of pieces on this topic:

When we go to war in Iraq we will do so to summon the Messiah. That is what the Christian right believes. The final battle to rid the world of all non-believers, non-Christians, more exactly non-Evangelical Christians, is going to take place very soon at Armageddon in Israel. The Bible tells us so.

Rev. Jerry Falwell believes fully, and un-equivocally that we must go to war with Iraq to set in motion the cataclysmic events that will ensure the second coming of Jesus Christ. War with Iraq will lead to the end of the World, as we know it. God will reign and Jerry Falwell will sit at the right hand of God.

Israel will be no more. Israel will be destroyed during the apocalypse. Any Jews that survive anywhere will be converted to Christianity. Or more precisely, Evangelical Christianity. .....

The Christian right managed, through the rebirth of George Bush, to gain a good measure of influence over the most powerful nation on this earth. The Christian right believes that only the apocalypse will purify the souls of the heretics, and the United States will be the instrument to bring forth God's wrath. The great resources, the military might, of the United States is part of the divine plan to bring the Apocalypse upon us. ...

When President Bush told the Israelis to withdraw their tanks and troops from the occupied territories last April, Falwell sent him a letter of protest. Falwell had his followers send one hundred thousand emails to President Bush to support his demand. Israel did not withdraw its tanks and troops and George Bush stopped calling. George Bush has given Ariel Sharon a free hand since.

The Evangelicals are Bush's core support. They are the people who helped him defeat John McCain, who once called Jerry Falwell "evil".

What is frightening is the language President Bush uses when he describes Saddam and others as the "Evil Ones", the "Evil Doers," to incite the American people to war. They are the same descriptions; carrying the same religious connotations, that Jerry Falwell and his flock employ to describe non-believers. George Bush is a child of their beliefs. George Bush seems to believe he and Ariel Sharon are locked in a struggle together against the "Evil Ones" for the world's salvation.

Thousands of Evangelical Christians waving Israeli flags cheered last week as Knesset member Benny Elon called for the "relocation" of Palestinians from the West Bank into Jordan.

The enthusiastic crowd at the annual convention of the Christian Coalition in Washington also cheered House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who urged activists to back pro-Israel candidates who "stand unashamedly for Jesus Christ."

Elon, whose Moledet Party advocates the "transfer" of Palestinians to Arab countries,said that a "resettlement" of the Palestinians is prescribed by the Bible. ...

Several prominent figures who spoke at the event, including DeLay, Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, did so before Elon took his turn at the podium. Since the rally, however, none have criticized Elon's call for transfer.

Elon, an Orthodox rabbi, "Let's turn to the Bible, which says very clearly... we have to resettle them, to relocate them, and to have a Jewish state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean."

Read that and tell me America doesn't target civilians.

The Bush administration has now started to claim that Iraq and Al Qaeda are allies.  This is 100% false as everyone not in the administration agrees (in fact Osama offered to make holy war on Iraq with his fighters after Saddam invaded Kuwait).  100% false, but useful for the Bush administration if somehow Americans could come to beleive it is true.

So how do they go about pulling that off?
Recent US statements on whether there's a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda:

Defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld:
'I have no desire to go beyond saying the answer is yes.'

President George W Bush:
'The danger is that al-Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world

Security adviser Condoleezza Rice:
'There clearly are contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented and there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here.'

Bush again:
'I can't distinguish between the two, because they're both equally as bad, and equally as evil and equally as destructive.'

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer:
'We have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qaeda members.'

'We have credible evidence that al-Qaeda leaders have sought contacts in Iraq.'

Fleischer again:
'In the shadowy world of terrorism, sometimes there is no precise way to have definitive information until it is too late.'

And after all this someone comments that 66% of the American public now beleive that there is a link between Iraq and 9-11.  I'll try to find a source.  Are Americans really this brain dead?