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Here's the action step... Go to places this article was printed and write letters...  I chose an 'alternate site' Cape Times...
http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=280&fSetId=166

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Jillian Green, Anti-Rape Device Article
http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=271&fArticleId=2548385

I think you're being duped by someone with a fictional device never intended to market.  I think that the device is a spin-off of this web-site, FemDefence, http://femdefence.info/bakgr2.html
dedicated to propogating anti-male urban legends to exploit the issues of rape and domestic violence.

I noticed in Ms. Green's article her company and the 'device' are not named...  Can Ms. Green name Ms. Ehler's "company" or the "device" that is so close to marketing.  Please know that men's and women's boards worldwide are following this to see if this is a real device, or if (like FemDefense), it is a "fake product" whose sole purpose is to create a media blitz of anti-male rape discussion.
http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Sonette%20Ehlers
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5669

Respectfully, Arte Grey
Also, maybe consider steps that will make them appear on the RADAR...  Now that there are recent articles, it would be a good time to direct a RADAR blitz.
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Quote from: "devia"
Well Animal I suggest you try an experiment by sticking one of these devious up inside of you.... wherever.

Hmm... big knitting needle pushed inside of my vagina.... not on my list of Christmas presents. The insides are not concrete .. ya know...

Either hoax/joke or waiting patiently to be sued.
Scroll back to my posts in this thread.  The technical workings of the device and consequences were explored in 2 previous threads.

The motivations of the authors of the site to use this device to "jump start" discussions of "male violence" was exposed by the authors themselves here: http://femdefence.info/bakgr2.html  To me, that puts the device and its' website in the category of "anti-male urban legends," similar to the Superbowl DV Myth that makes seasonal appearances.  This "Urban Legend" should probably be stickied in the FAQ, so we'll recognize it faster when we see it...  It's been around since 2003, so it is very lame to keep bringing it up.
OK, because the nature  of the device and the development time-line/story line were so close to that of the FemDefence device, I assumed they were the same.  Now that I actually went and read the South African article, I'm still not convinced this isn't a spin-off.  Yes, I see different names, countries, slightly different design of the "product."  It will be interesting to see what kind of a spin comes out when the actual marketing hits the web.  Keep me posted.  Odd that the company/device aren't actually named in the article.  Especially since it is supposedly so close to "market."

Back to Devia's question about effectiveness... Years ago, I had opportunity to attend a feminist sponsored seminar on women's self-defense with some friends.  Risks and effectiveness of several strategies were discussed: doing nothing (submitting) hoping the perpetrator didn't intend to kill you anyway; trying to convince the perpetrator that something about your physical condition should make you less desirable (ie. infection); or aggressive self-defense strategies.  Women were told that the entire point of an aggressive self-defense strategy was to gain an element of surprise and an opportunity to get away and get help by inflicting as much physical damage as possible on the perp.  The danger in a strategy not being disabling enough would be that the perp would then be angrier and more likely to do real harm.  Like the FemDefence device, I don't see this spin-off being disabling enough to provide an escape option.  But let me know when the marketing materials come out...

Very telling was when I ran a Google search of Sonette Ehlers just now hoping to find the device name, is that a number of the results were women's boards discussing why such devices should be banned...  http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Sonette%20Ehlers
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Quote from: "devia"
Well Animal I suggest you try an experiment by sticking one of these devious up inside of you.... wherever.

Hmm... big knitting needle pushed inside of my vagina.... not on my list of Christmas presents. The insides are not concrete .. ya know...

Either hoax/joke or waiting patiently to be sued.
Scroll back to my posts in this thread.  The technical workings of the device and consequences were explored in 2 previous threads.

The motivations of the authors of the site to use this device to "jump start" discussions of "male violence" was exposed by the authors themselves here: http://femdefence.info/bakgr2.html  To me, that puts the device and its' website in the category of "anti-male urban legends," similar to the Superbowl DV Myth that makes seasonal appearances.  This "Urban Legend" should probably be stickied in the FAQ, so we'll recognize it faster when we see it...  It's been around since 2003, so it is very lame to keep bringing it up.
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http://femdefence.info/bakgr2.html

Actually, we should belatedly (this has been around since 2003) thank FemDefence for providing us with a basis for a Urban Legends style expose of themselves (and what this "campaign" is really about).  The "campaign" should be debunked anytime it rears its' ugly head on the web or in public.  The damage is not in the device itself, but in the way it is being used to promote anti-male dialogue.
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Reading the article answered my only question about this.. "Which was, Is the 12 year old's opinion being given weight?"  At the surface, these are not "wacko fundimentalists" denying their child medical treatment against her will.  She seems to know the gravity of her illness, what her options are, and is looking at it from a "quality of life" standpoint.

12 year olds are often given weight in deciding who to live with during divorce, whether or not to use birth control, even whether or not to have a child (should they be unfortunate enough to become pregnant.  Most religions consider that age a good time to ask young people to consider re-committing to the faith as a "young adult."   Her voice should be considered.  Remission rates for many types of cancer are high.  Hopefully, if something should happen later that she would change her mind, she could...
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{{{singing}})
Lest I sound too much like Lurch,
Believe they call it a "search..."
We did this 2x before...
Please, please, no more...
Yakity, yak, do look back...
:banghead:  :arg:  :sigh:
:D  :lol:  :loll:
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5308&highlight=tampon
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5328&highlight=tampon

Am really trying to behave...  The other day on another board, someone ran the old King Arthur/Sir Galahad chastity belt joke.  Now seeing it for the misandrist joke that it is, I wont repeat that one anymore either.  This, like the Superbowl DV Myth should be exposed and stickied for the evil lies they are...

Dr E, in all seriousness, how about an anti-male myth/urban legend sticky in the FAQ?  The Superbowl DV Myth expose and an expose of this device's website - LINK as a "tool" being used to promote anti-male discussion seems like a good idea to me.  I actually reported that site to Snopes and RADAR, but neither seems to want to do an "Urban Legend" type expose... :wink: Also see http://femdefence.info/invju2.html

For my next song, I'll do "She'll be comin' round the mountain..." {{{singing}})
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Main / Re: Men's views don't matter!
Jun 08, 2005, 06:56 PM
Quote from: "Wookie"
I have just met with a market researcher who was looking for people to take part in a evening to discuss what locals would like in a new shopping centre being built.

They are offering 40 for you to attend the evening plus travel and drinks on the night.

Sounds great, one problem I have a penis!

I was told that they will only be speaking to women, I ask for him to let me know when they want men's views, he said they don't want men's views.  :roll:

This got me thinking, how come with all the patriarchal power that I have as a man, they don't want my views? :wink:

To me this shows clearly where the money is (or more accurately, who's got the spending power) to the point that they don't even feel the need to ask what men would like!

They are a private business so this is there right to do this, it is also my right never to step foot in that centre when it's built as mine and other men's view are not important to them, so our money cannot be that important also!

Wookie
Scenes from Victor/Victoria come to mind...  You could've always dressed in drag, altered your voice a bit and claimed transgendered status... {{{Think I'll duck now!}}}  Too bad... :shock:  :D  :lol: Their loss of male shopping revenue though...  If you have an e-mail for them, send them this forum link.  Make sure you go ahead and name the mall here, so they'll know...  There's that old saying that "a critical review travels 10x as fast" (paraphrased).
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Main / Authors, websites, books
Jun 07, 2005, 10:48 PM
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Main / Men, Women & Cars
Jun 07, 2005, 08:58 PM
..and the folks with families all wind up with SUVs or mini-vans anyway...

Very different advertising styles are used for women vs men....
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5502
Vehicles for women/families are marketed on the basis of appearance and what they will carry + any "amenities."  Advertisers often add "emotional" appeals for that target group (ads using actors, storylines).

Truck ads often don't use any visible actors.  Just performance:price incentuive data and the vehicle zooming down a highway or spinning on a dealership platform.
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Main / DR Phil and DV
Jun 07, 2005, 08:17 PM
I thought he did a better job at exposing the female DV perp from several weeks ago..  http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5521

He wasn't very hard on this one at all and her case was eclipsed by the other case.  He wasn't hard on her until it came time to question her about how close she'd come to abusing the baby.  Here's the page for today's (Tuesday, 6/07/05) show.  Click the javascript links for the segment transcripts:
http://www.drphil.com/show/show.jhtml?contentId=3055_abusers.xml
Dr. Phil's advice for stopping the abuse.  (Aaron and Michelle)
How is Erin's rage affecting their son?  (Erin and Adam)

Hmm... the perp's names are similar in pronunciation, Aaron and Erin. ..  How coincidental is that??

This is the book he is pushing for today's show:  
When Good Men Behave Badly
Dr. David Wexler
The Relationship Training Institute
www.RTIprojects.com

..and the agencies...
Related Resources
National Domestic Violence Hotline at (800) 799-SAFE (7233).

For more information, use a safe computer to visit:

Tubman Family Alliance
www.stopfamilyviolence.com
Help Line - (612) 825-000

National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
www.ncadv.org

National Domestic Violence Hotline
www.ndvh.org

Medline Plus
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/domesticviolence.html
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OK, am going to read the book online now...
http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html
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Given the above case and other cases where false accusers have in turn been charged, no wonder this woman decided not to continue her case...  http://www.wlextv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3422908

LEXINGTON - Police File Cast Doubt On Accuser's Story In Alleged Rape At Wildcat Lodge
   
A police file released Thursday indicates that a woman who claimed she was drugged, then raped, at Wildcat Lodge last month by a UK basketball player did not have a date-rape drug in her system, as she had told police.

The file, released after open-records requests from several news agencies, also reveals that the 29-year-old woman considered asking police to reopen the case. Police announced May 4 that they were dropping the case "by exception," meaning it could be reviewed later, although that would be unlikely.

Two days later, according to the file, the woman spoke twice with Lexington Police Detective Elizabeth Adams, asking if certain information would be admissible in court.

Adams told the woman that "many people would have to review the case before it would be reopened" and that the woman would have to have her attorney send a letter to police "expressing her intention to prosecute," to counteract a letter the attorney had sent earlier stating the woman did not wish to prosecute.

During the conversation, Adams said the woman told her "that she has received multiple threats, intimidation and bribe offers since the sexual assault" and that "she had a face to face conversation with the suspect in the presence of her mother and several others."

The names of the woman and the person who was the focus of the police investigation were redacted from the 37-page file released Thursday.

Police, trying to substantiate the woman's claims, wanted access to records of an examination she underwent at a Georgetown hospital and other medical records, but the woman had stopped cooperating with them. To obtain the records, police sought a warrant, which was signed by a Scott County judge May 3.

The warrant - included in the police file but obtained by media outlets last month - indicated that the woman had told Lexington Police Lt. James Curless that medical officials at the Georgetown hospital had told her that the drug Rohypnol was found in her system.

However, a memo from assistant police chief Ken Hall contained in the file said that after the medical records were reviewed, "it was determined that the complaintant's drug screen did not reveal the presence of Rohypnol derivatives in her system."

The file also offers insight how the woman and the person she accused knew each other. According to the woman's initial statement to police, the woman's father introduced the accused person to the woman's family on Dec. 22 at Rupp Arena. Kentucky played a home game there that night.

According to the statement, the woman and the accused person "briefly spoke about her ordeal with cancer."

On April 13, the woman said she took her son and some of his friends to see the accused person at an autograph signing, and three days later, the accused person called the woman on her cell phone, saying he "wanted to do something for the community and her son" and that he'd like to visit her son's school. The call upset her husband.

On April 17, the two spoke again on the phone and agreed to meet for lunch two days later, the woman told police. They met again the next day, "to talk about his school visit and finalize plans," and he took her on a tour of Wildcat Lodge.

Wildcat Lodge is best known as the home of Kentucky basketball players, though non-athletes live there as well. The complaint, filed April 22, noted the time of the alleged incident as between 12:30 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. on April 20.

Hall said police located no witnesses of the alleged incident. According to the university, 28 people live in Wildcat Lodge - 16 basketball players, 10 non-athletes and two staff members. All guests must be signed in and signed out.

Among the items taken into evidence was the dormitory's sign-in book. Police did not include copies of it when they released the file, citing student privacy laws.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/wires/05/18/2060.ap.fbc.colorado.investigation.0364/
Colorado awarded $24,000 from women who alleged assault
Posted: Wednesday May 18, 2005 11:56 AM

DENVER (AP) - A U.S. District Court clerk Tuesday awarded the University of Colorado more than $24,000 in court costs from two women whose recently dismissed federal lawsuit sparked the football recruiting scandal.

Clerk Steve Ehrlich awarded the school $24,548.29 after a 15-minute hearing. Ehrlich also told the two sides to discuss copying fees, which university lawyers estimate at more than $46,000.
   
A judge will determine whether to award other costs sought by the university.

Judge Robert Blackburn dismissed the women's lawsuit in March, saying the two did not meet specific standards necessary to sue under Title IX, the federal law protecting equal gender access to public education. The women have asked the judge to reconsider his decision.

Blackburn also ordered the women to pay the university's costs, which the women last week said were excessive.

Documents filed by the women's attorneys say the school wanted reimbursement for first-class airfare, lodging at an expensive downtown Denver hotel for an expert defense witness and other "outrageous and truly excessive costs.

The women asked the amount sought by the school, which ranges from $90,475 to more than $124,000, be reduced to about $34,000.

Former CU student Lisa Simpson and another woman alleged they were sexually assaulted by football players or recruits during an off-campus party in December 2001. They claimed the university violated Title IX by allowing its athletic department to harbor an environment of sexual harassment that led to their assaults.

It is the policy of The Associated Press not to name alleged sexual assault victims without their consent. Simpson has agreed to have her name used in media reports. The other woman has asked that her name not be used.

No sexual assault charges were filed by police, but an independent panel last year found sex, drugs, and alcohol were used to recruit football players without the university's knowledge.
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Quote from: "LSBeene"
the reason I just "hmm"  - Dude someone posted a LONG diatribe and ... even the wording didn't belong to me, the WAY the words assembled ...   Looking into this ... nvm me ..  
enjoy posting   Steven
I missed "it" whatever "it" was.  But something strange happened to me (Sunday??) at Hannity.com...  I logged in (re-opened a link from the history) - and the first thing that strikes me is that my signature is wrong.  Another signature has been substituted (one I'd seen before, but couldn't place whose).  Not seeing any moderator notes (mine really is a benign signature), I go to the Control Panel.  Ironically, my preferred wording is not even changed at the CP.  I refresh my preferred signature and after I open a fresh window, it shows up.  I make note of the event in the moderator's forum and am told it could be a systems glitch or a compromised pw/account.  So far nothing else has happened.  As if there were not enough paranoia in the world...  Anyway, I feel ya, buddy...
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Main / GPS panties
Jun 03, 2005, 03:55 AM
Quote from: "neonsamurai"
LOL!!!

'Forget me not panties' indeed. Technology is running amok and certainly not to be trusted.

However on a more serious note I found this Website which deals with women's health. I suggest that the ladies who come here, including both Hachu and Maatkare go and pay it a visit.
Too late... You know the fems can't keep their bills paid...
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