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Are You Really a Liberal - by Selwyn Duke

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/070308
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Main / Sex-Ploytation
Dec 02, 2006, 12:14 AM
One of my rare surfings through SYG, and while I don't like to post here anymore, I cannot help but extend a link to those who are interested in this book, as well as another "must read", "The Predatory Female", downloadable in PDF Form from Pete Patriarch's Musings

http://petepatriarch.blogspot.com/2006/11/mra-documents-mgtow.html

Another good read is Erin Pizzey's "Prone to Violence"

http://www.bennett.com/ptv/
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Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Rob - The world is not black and white.  Feminists helped by pointing out the rigid sex roles that women were forced to play out.  They worked towards helping free them from those roles.   That's a good thing.


Dr Evil,

No the world is not black and white. The Nazi's also ended unemployement and freed the Germans from poverty. Does that mean that I have to support them? Or even give them anything more than a sound middle finger?

I am getting frustrated, it seems that many of us seem to wallow in our misery and think that somehow by rationalizing things on the internet that women will somehow rally to our cause and save us - the same way that men rallied to women's cause 40 years ago.

Here's a newsflash:

WOMEN WON'T DO THIS FOR US! IT'S NOT IN THEIR NATURE!

Women's nature is to be loved and cared for. Not to love and care for others. In fact, her nature is to love and care for others to instill the demand that they later care for her - read up on Freud... the feminazi's hate him even more than us, so you know he's worth reading!

Women in China abort girls not because they hate girls, but because being a peasant rice farmer and only being allowed to have one child... the one child you have that will support you when you get old and unable to care for yourself WILL BE MALES! Yup, the male who works Dad's rice paddy - not the daughter who marries the guy in the next village.

When there's only one extra bowl of rice a day... you do the math!

Women love and care for others to ensure that they are loved - and thus provided for. Yes, read up on Freud, understand why he wanted to know about your mother! Understand the mother/son relationship! He may have been a kook, but he's still less of a kook than Andrea Dworkin or Betty Friedan and their ilk, who only serve to us men to prove the worthlessness of allowing people like this to even be allowed to *gasp* vote! Fuck off Andrea, giving you the vote was a mistake!

Am I becoming a mysoginist? Yup I guess I am, and women are to blame! I have been walking around defending women for too long! I think Jews should have a right to hate Germans too!

Dr. Evil, you pointed an advantage that feminism did for females, not humanity.

Do women really give a crap about men? Do they really give a crap about men's rigid sex roles - as monetary provider even after taking it up the ass by a female initiated divorce?

I've read before that you were involved in the Women's Lib movement, likely much as people like Dr Farrell were. Let me ask you then, in the years you have been involved with the MEN's movement, have women rallied around you, like you did around women?

The more I study this grievious state of affairs - and trust me, I study it a LOT, the more I become convinced that women truly are amoral, as in lacking of either good or bad morals and simply without moral capability at all, and that is the problem we are facing.

Yup, I never thought I would say such filth, but upon much reflection, I'm starting to believe it! If women don't want men to believe it, then step up the fight, my lavender ladies!

Women are showing an apathetic interest in Men's flailing rights, and supporting more and more Male Hatred! Even though they deem to denounce feminism and male hatred!

Yup, and lots of people who were living in Germany moved into houses confiscated from the Jews by the Nazis, and then had the nerve to say after the war that they didn't support the Nazis.
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Main / Dads On The Run
Aug 20, 2006, 11:33 PM
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Main / Dads On The Run
Aug 20, 2006, 11:31 PM
http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/index.cfm?page=article&article_id=977
(you have to register to access, but damn this is an interesting article!)

Dads on the run  

You've lost your wife, your kids, your house, and any money you earn goes to your ex. Your only hope may be the highly secretive organization that is helping hundreds of divorced Canadian dads flee the country and start a new life

Candis McLean - September 5, 2005

In January, Gordon, a B.C. divorced dad, was desperately e-mailing men's groups for help. Having lost his job more than a year ago, he had nevertheless been ordered by a judge in December to pay $22,000 in annual child support for his three kids--kids he hadn't seen in 24 months. He was out of money, out of resources and was becoming depressed and suicidal. Then he received a strange e-mail. "We know what you are going through," it read. "Many of your Canadian and American comrades/brothers/friends are taking asylum to start a new life away from the oppression of their governments. To save their lives. Do you want to join them?"


Unsure of what to do, Gordon (not his real name) replied with an e-mail requesting more information. What followed must have seemed like a spy novel come to life: Gordon was told to go to a public library and e-mail the details of his situation, using s-mail, a highly-encrypted e-mail service, that could not be monitored by the FBI or RCMP. He was to use a woman's name as his moniker. "I will then give you another s-mail address and will never use this one again," the source, who called himself Sandy, explained.


Sandy identified himself as a men's rights activist. He confided in Gordon that he had been through a messy divorce of his own: his ex-wife had accused him of sexually abusing their children. And though she eventually admitted all the allegations were made up, the 11 years of court battles that Sandy had fought to clear his name had cost him over a million dollars, leaving him destitute, and inspiring him to help other dads who were facing prosecution and ruin in bitter divorces--by helping them escape.


Sandy instructed Gordon to erase all references to their communication on his home computer and then clean his hard drive. "After that please comm [communicate] only from public libraries. Now, if you want to go any further, send me a new email address, NOT IN YOUR NAME!!! We will set a time and I will give you a phone number. Get a calling card from a convenience store, pay cash. You will use that to call me from a payphone to a payphone." He also prepared Gordon for the major life change he would have to make to extricate himself from his legal troubles. "Start selling and pawning everything you can w/out tipping your hand," Sandy wrote. "Do you have construction skills, a craft or trade that is saleable on the cash market?" Then he told Gordon to "pack as if you are taking a sudden vacation," and gave him the sort of instructions one might need if he were on the lam from the law, or trying to escape persecution in some oppressive country:



PACK LIGHT - CLOTHES, TOOLS OF YOUR TRADE, AND MINIMAL FISHING & CAMPING GEAR. PAY CASH ON THE ROAD. GO TO SMALL STORES W/OUT CAMERAS IF YOU CAN FIND THEM. TAKE EXTRA FUEL SO THAT YOU GET 5-600 MI BEFORE STOPPING TO FUEL. DELETE THIS MESSAGE AND ALL OTHER CORRESPONDENCE W/ME AND OTHERS. COMMIT ADDRESSES TO MEMORY.


In fact, Gordon would be on the lam from the law. And the organization that Sandy represented, the Planetary Alliance for Fathers in Exile, believes that dads just like Gordon all over North America are being persecuted by an oppressive regime--the family court system. According to their website, PAFE is dedicated to helping fathers escape and obtain new identities and jobs in Europe. The way PAFE explains it, divorced dads are at war with a system they cannot hope to defeat. The website claims that 100,000 men are annually forced to leave the U.S. alone due to the "feminist fraud" that has tainted the justice system against men. "This exodus is proof that America is living in a war zone with or without Iraq," the PAFE site reads. "There are dead, dying, wounded and missing among its ranks each day. The number of men forced into illegal and treasonous debtor's prisons in America stands at around a quarter of a million. There are still men paying into this diseased system, so that they can see their children and 'be safe' month to month


. . . [N]o father in his right mind should go along and support this fraud. Fathers have 3 choices--take their kids into hiding overseas, stay and show civil disobedience, or go overseas alone to start a new life. All else is slavedom or death."


In his first Canadian interview ever, the man who heads up PAFE, "Jean Kelly," admits that even his own name is a pseudonym. A decade ago he was a New York City emergency room physician, when a friend of his, a Canadian doctor, approached him to help him find a way to reduce the suicide rates among divorced fathers, and to help his associates who found themselves unable to continue with their careers because they were consumed by custody, access and child-tax issues. Kelly happened to hear about a policy begun by the French government, seeking highly educated immigrants as part of its competitiveness policy. He immediately realized that the opportunity represented a way out for thousands of men who thought they had none.  

Today, Jean Kelly says he has four nationalities, and goes by two different names, and he and the colleagues he has helped are all in hiding. Over the past five years, he says, his organization, headquartered in Nice, France, has helped 4,700 divorced fathers from several countries to escape what they consider to be "illegal and inhumane" custody and access laws, by moving to Europe and changing their identities. Nearly 100,000 men, Kelly says, have fled from Great Britain and 137,000 from Australia. So far, he claims 1,000 Canadian men have gone into exile.


"My former Canadian wife took my two daughters to her mother, claiming sexual misconduct," says one father, who chooses to call himself "Lee" rather than reveal his identity for this story. Lee fled Canada and was able to find work, through the assistance of PAFE, in the information technology industry, with a major multinational corporation in Japan. He could not stay in Canada. "I had 17 witnesses in court stating they never saw anything unusual in my behaviour towards my daughters. It was no use," Lee says. "The Toronto judge gave her custody, and myself supervised access. If I ever was to have [another] family I would be greatly disadvantaged both financially and socially with the burden of the decision of the judge. I chose to cut all ties to my past and start anew."


Some of the men PAFE helps are hiding from convictions that would see them go to jail if they were ever tracked down. But many others simply see no future in Canada, where they believe they will never be treated fairly. "Mainly, though," says Kelly, "they love children, they love to have a relationship, and hardly any new wife is going to put up with having to pay tax to the ex. Especially those who are highly educated professional women, because their income, as well as their husband's, is going to be taken into consideration in the [support] equation."


Kelly says that once they are overseas, the men find work all across the European Union. And the opportunities are tremendous for men who have skills: "We've got scientific institutions, high-speed railways, a space agency," says Kelly. "We've got the biggest passenger plane in the world. We take anyone who's got experience and education. For those without, we provide work in the building industry, farming and transportation." PAFE says that officials in the French and Spanish governments are actively helping the group to make it easier for skilled workers to start a new life. "We take the skilled and highly educated gladly--engineers, high-tech computer skills, scientists--but we are also doing a lot of humanitarian work, preventing people from going to jail." Among his clients, he says, "a large number have PhDs--the 'who's who' among scientists and engineers." Men who aren't highly skilled often work in the underground economy and pay no taxes. "We help anyone who wants to have a life again and use their potential to the fullest," Kelly says.


In addition to helping what he sees as a persecuted group, Kelly is paid to bring fathers over by the companies that want to hire them--like a headhunter. For the father on the run, the services are free. All he must do is get himself overseas. "Everything is arranged. We can even provide an assortment of East European women from whom to choose a new wife--those that don't suffer the illusion of feminist indoctrination dished out by Hollywood about leaving marriages for imagined greener pastures," Kelly adds.


Fleeing one's home naturally means leaving behind children. But the majority of fathers are non-custodial parents who have no access to their kids anyway. "Too many fathers don't see their kids because there were sexual allegations made against them by these women in order to get cash and custody," says Kelly. "They are not classified as missing people, but have to be crossed off the child support computers because they've been out of the system for two years. They are known to be overseas because, upon leaving the country, the information from their passport is fed into the computer."


One father who identifies himself simply as "David," who fled Canada several years back, writes in an e-mail to the Western Standard about the decision to leave his children behind: "I figured that, despite the heartache of leaving the kids, either I don't see them from jail, or I don't see them from the U.K. So I chose to not see them from the U.K." David, who works in the computer industry, says that his child support had been calculated by the Justice Department based on a salary he was earning during the nineties' dot-com boom. When his salary fell, along with the fortunes of the computer sector, he was no longer able to keep up with payments. David insists that he continues to pay support according to Canadian government guidelines, but he now uses his actual salary in the formula. "However that's not good enough for the government," he writes. "I still probably won't be able to return to Canada due to the arrest warrant which has been issued, although I can't be extradited for a non-criminal offence. I try to speak with my children on the phone each week, but it's not the same."


Edward Kruk, a social work professor at UBC and author of the book, Divorce and Disengagement: Patterns of Fatherhood Within and Beyond Marriage, confirms that, in his studies of "disengaged non-custodial fathers," he has interviewed fathers living in Canada and Britain. And, he says, in his experience, their decision to leave their families, their careers and their country behind is typically made only when there appears to be no hope for them to escape their desperate situation. "When parents cannot agree on a parenting plan and the court must decide, 85 per cent [of decisions] result in sole maternal custody, 10 per cent in sole paternal custody, and the other five in a variety of arrangements including split custody," such as splitting the kids up between the parents, says Kruk. But shared parenting--or joint physical custody--is virtually non-existent in Canada. That's despite the fact that the body of study "indicates that on every single adjustment measure, children fare better in joint custody than sole," Kruk adds.  

The judicial system's structural barriers, the mechanisms and institutions that polarize parties, and the feeling that many men have of being seen strictly as someone to be harassed for financial support rather than someone to provide social and psychological support for their families--all that, combined with the pain of being unable to see their children, can be overwhelming. Many divorced fathers, Kruk says, find they get little support through the mental health system where they are considered "deadbeat" or violent and irresponsible--both as marital partners and parents. "A lot of stereotypes dominate the field," Kruk acknowledges. "It's rare to find much sympathy in my own field [of social work]. Most programs are geared to toward mothers and children, as though children's needs were identical to mothers, but there is almost nothing for fathers. For all these reasons, many fathers just disappear."


When the father is reduced to the status of visitor, the relationship becomes constrained and artificial, particularly for fathers who were previously very close to their kids. "They soon find they have very little influence and aren't really able to parent, so they take on an avuncular, rather than a parental, role," Kruk says. "The stereotype is that they don't care, but the reality is that fathers have made every effort to establish meaningful parental relationships and are thwarted." In his own study, Kruk found those fathers who are most attached and involved with their children's care, and who want to share parenting, are the ones most at risk of losing access over time, because the courts often view their attempts to gain more access as harassing their former wives. Child Custody and Domestic Violence: A Call for Safety and Accountability, a 2003 training book for family court judges, by London, Ont., psychologist Peter Jaffe, actually warns judges to be suspect of fathers looking to increase access: "Many batterers pursue visitation as a way of getting access to their ex-partners," writes Jaffe. "They may seek custody to engage in prolonged litigation during which their legal counsel and the court process mirrors the dynamics of the abusive relationship." In the past, studies showed that over 50 per cent of non-custodial divorced fathers gradually lose all contact with their children, notes Kruk. At that point, it's not hard to see why some dads begin to consider a fresh start altogether.


While PAFE exists precisely to help fathers escape what it considers unjust custody and support arrangements, the ideal, says Jean Kelly, would be for dads to be able to stay home, near their children, and be treated fairly by the courts. "If Canada wants a healthy society it should not bow to minority interest groups," he says, referring to the feminist activists he says have upended the justice system, turning it against men. "Individuals anywhere will escape from laws which are unfair and damaging to themselves and society."


The societal damage isn't all that hard to see: hundreds, perhaps thousands, of skilled and educated men fleeing Canada for life is something any economist would easily recognize as an undesirable policy outcome. Kelly estimates that in a typical case, a single exiled father could cost Canada $2 million in lost skills and foregone future income. And there is the immeasurable cost that comes from such a large number of children growing up without a father in their life.


But Kelly speculates that, in many cases, politicians are unlikely to worry about those sorts of things: "Feminist governments are happy they [the dads] are overseas because they are not the ones who are going to vote for them." For those Canadians, however, who are uncomfortable with the idea of so many fathers being driven out of Canada, the answer is to demand a fairer divorce system. There should be a requirement for joint physical custody in all but the most extreme cases, with the financial responsibility for the kids falling to both parents, rather than aggressively going after the father's income alone. "That gives incentive to the fathers, saves the kids and saves on taxes," says Kelly. "Fathers would be working and contributing." More importantly, they could remain in their old lives, in contact with their loved ones. For, while lawmakers here may largely see them as financial sponsors, and governments abroad see them as a way to attain badly needed skills and labour, in the end these men on the run are, above all, somebody's dad.
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But seriously...

If the government can force a man to die for his country in war....


Shouldn't the government be able to force women to bear children for the same purpose: to ensure the survival of the nation?

Well GOLLY! Who woulda thunk it, that might efen cum cloze to fair! Yah thingk, Gee Dubyah? Lez throe them a something anyway.

(Thanks George!)

Yes ladies - step up and drop your drawers!  Yeah, no don't worry about it - it will be fine if you just bend over the picnic table - this isn't about romance!

Rob is on the job - and he will impregnate you all if the good gov't wants to pick up the tab!

If the gov't isn't willing to pick up the tab... well, there's a sex store down the street and I hear they sell vibrators - Good Luck!

I'm GOING MY OWN WAY!
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Well, obviously everyone is asleep or ignoring me again... or both! I no longer care!

Here is a question though.

Lets suppose that it is in dire straights that the nation NEEDS to start to have children again - or it will die out, for all real purposes within the century (as Germany etc is facing - as well as well... all of us) so, the country knows this is going to happen down the road....


All countries have always asked their men to die for them in war - and men have always answered to the challenge...

Now, almost all western countries are going to need women to have MORE than 2.2 children per couple - or we will also be as doomed as we would have been in 1939-45!

SERIOUSLY!

Do you think that the women will step up and do their duty, like the men who charged Vimy Ridge, or will the women step up and claim that having to do duty for their country is an infringement on their rights?

The future is around the corner.

Women need to have more kids... or we need to bring in more foreigners... or we will go broke... economics... ask John Locke!
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Do we not get it yet?

We have significantly LESS than our lifetimes to change this stupidity!

Math people - do the math!
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Well, I'll bet that at least the communist Chinese see what's going in the western world, and they are salivating accordingly, though quietly.

Of course, we're so smart that could never happen!

I mean, who could ever point out to me, anywhere in history, a nation or people so arrogant, so full of themselves, that they thought they were invincible - only to find out that they weren't

The Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, well they lasted forever, didn't they? Hey, wasn't that Napoleon's daughter I attended Oxford with? Or was that Hitler's illegitemate daughter from Eva Von Braun that I was nailing back then? I don't remember, except she had great tits!

Mon Dieu!

This has never happened before, has it?

Its a good thing this an anomoly, or we'd all be fucked if we didn't stand up and get angry in a hurry!

(No, evolutionary change isn't going to work here, you do the math!)
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Mr X,

Please!

With as much respect as I can say this - please extract the strap-on from your arse and talk to me again!

Is not our popluation dwindling to catastrophic proportions?

Are our schools catering to girls, who statitiscally will overwhelming not want to work full time in jobs contributing to society in meaningful manner (as in, taxable enough to support the rest of us!)

Are we not reproducing at a rate that insures our extinction within 70 years - that is the white heterosexual population that bears 1.3 children per couple?

Should we not illegalize abortion when we see these rates!?! Especially if it means our own children's dominance in the land we leave them?

Are the Military, Police and Fire Departments of our lands stronger because of feminism and affirmative action? Are we safer today in the hands of these people than we were 10 or 15 years ago?

Are we completely fucking stupid? If the government wants to implement crap like this, why is marijuana not entirely legal to help me not fret and worry about the sorry state of Western Affairs????
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While I appreciate your response, Mr X, that sounds pretty ominously vague to me.

I am looking for ONE example of where feminism has benefited humanity.

Not women - HUMANITY!

All women will say, jeez, shucks, well the world is a better place since women took charge.

OK fine - I want examples!

By the way... Trish Wilson, Barry Deutch, Ampersand, Hugo Schweizer and their ilk are lying hate mongers and propagandists - in my humble opinion of course, you never know, I might be wrong!

They have to prove it though
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Now, surely we have some IT professionals present here, don't we?

Google searches reveal the most generic names availiabe on the web right?

So linking AMPERSAND, HUGO and TRISH WILSON with HATE, HATE, HATE will bring their names up higher and higher on the list..yes or no?

AMPERSAND, HUGO, TRISH WILSON, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE

HATE MOVEMEMENT!

Remember getting lines subscribed to you in highschool people?

ONE MORE TIME!

HATE, HATE, HATE!

AMPERSAND, HUGO, TRISH WILSON

Please follow suit
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Good GOD, lets fight back instead of just defending ourselves!

I'm sick of defending myself, it's so fucking feminine!
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Yes, SYG members, perhaps Trish, Ampersand and Hugo will not respond - however, the more we reference them as hate movement practitioners... the more google will pick up on this via their algorythyms and the more they will be affiliated with this.

HATE MOVEMENT

TRISH WILSON, AMPERSAND, HUGO

See! There, it was done again!

Do it all the time!

It's really simple:

HATE MOVEMENT: FEMINISM

TRISH WILSON

AMPERSAND

HUGO