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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 22, 2010, 02:13 PM

Thats fine by me, I dont see much point in a forum for men that allows posters to make allegations like CC is making about an activist who has never engaged in  or reccomended any form of criminal activity.

Then he whines when he is called on his BS..

He is a worthless shit stirrer and liar, and There are several forum webmasters of repute in the movement who know who who is and what his childish antics are..

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Main / Re: Young women want a breadwinner husband in 2010

Feb 19, 2010, 02:17 PM

Off topic for a moment:
Drex,

Honestly I haven't heard much constructive from you. Many of your comments that you lay off to "humor" are blatantly mysogynist and counter productive. The RADFEMS cherry pick those type of comments from mens rights boards and use them to paint us all with the same brush. Right now I don't see what your point in being here is and I suspect that you could be a troll planting anti woman comments in our midst for the purpose of discrediting the MRM.

Back On Topic:

Yes there are young women that want to have a bread winner out there. My expirience with them has been that they want to be taken care of and not hold up their end of the marital contract. Their whole attitude is you work, provide me with a maid and laundry service. Give me a nice new car, no econobox, and she will spend your money for you while giving you sex once and a while. I am out on that deal.

You guys cess about feminists far too much..

When you are scared of those scummers, you have already lost the battle I think!

I also wonder what soprt of women you guys meet, maybe you aught to cast your net a bit wider and go out with a more productive atitude towards the women.. You seem to alternate bewteen sucking up to them and slagging them off..

I have a consistent attitude towards the axewound, And i get plenty of it!!

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 02:13 PM

PrairieLark:

What you are experiencing is two sides of the same phenomena at roughly the same time.

Let me explain.

Feminists regularly come to MRA boards, pretend that they don't know anything about mens issues, ask all sorts of time consuming questions that have been asked ad nauseum by hundreds of Feminists before them, then argue until they tip their hand...  You've already mentioned the regard Feminists have for men, and men's issues..  What you may not have noticed, is these same Feminists will come here, proclaim they're Not Like That(tm), and proceed to have fun trying to waste our time.

Then they leave and the next one chimes in.

I'm fairly certain there's a group of Feminists that do this as their "activist feminism".  The point being to aggravate us enough that ALL newcomers will begin to be treated with suspicion and disdain.  A strategy that has largely worked.

I believe the establishment of a decent, SHORT, issues FAQ is a good idea...largely since the quickest way to spot these 5th columnists is to point them to an easily read source of info..only to have them refuse to read it and demand YOU explain it.

Which is why you were referred to a couple of sites and told to "do your homework".

Personally, I think that exposes a weakness in the MRM that desperately needs fixing.  We can't continue to bark "RTFM!", but we can't patiently guide thousands of people a year through the info either .  The typing along would kill us...or give us carpal tunnel...

So, I'll add that to my list of things to do....

Yes, you seem to be taking a lot of work on my man, good on you!

I recall hearing the statements made from veteran mens activists about having to reapeat the same stuff every few years, and every new generation/batch of MRA's thinking it had invented the weehl when they deduced the obvious..

I think your MRM magazine looks pretty, how is it going, distribution wise and all that?

I think that is a good step in the right diirection for the "wordy" mra's, I may read the first issues myself when I have a moment..

Would be even better to get some writers producing stuff that is up to the standard for mainstream publication..

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 02:05 PM

The evidence speaks for itself when you look at how few men are involved in any forms of campaigning for fathers issues..

Hogwash!  - MRA

Is that "10" or "20"?

You round them all up and count them, then make an estimate of how many men AUGHT to be raising a stink about it..

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 02:00 PM

5) I will no longer make allowances for your psychiatric condition. Slander, insults and
   personal attacks will be answered.          
   

You are talking silly. What is your problem? Dont speculate about things you know nothing about.. You left AM because you were having a dicky fit aboutr some alleged consipracy agaoinst you by a few posters as I recall.. Basically, you did not like it when a few folk gave you a bit back of what you were dishing out.. Which was just silly comments basically.. Nothing to get so worked up about.. why dont you just leave it out and shut up obesssing about me and my mental health, sexual habits or whatever.. It really does not matter at the end of the day does it?

My problem is this, Reggie. I concur with another member here that you are a 21st century clone of Tokyo Rose, I scoff at your demoralizing accusatory prattle (which I have read for a year so far), and you slander the crap out of me with your recollection of scuttlebutt from the AM forum. Based on my experience, slander really does matter at the end of the day!

You attempt to destroy my image and reputation here at SYG; so I remind you of your abundant self-disclosures on AM regarding your disability of schizoprenia and your refusal to take your meds. I am allowing readers of this thread to consider the source of your recent trips down memory lane.                                    

You are a silly childish timewaster and I really dont know why you think I am remotely interested in  you.Though it does baffle me why you have such an unhealthy obession with me.. And why you tell lies about your history as a cross forum troll timewaster..

Now go and scuirry through your past posts and and change them, to better reflect the lies you would lke to tell..

If you want to continue this, take it to PM, but I somehwo doubt that captain cowardly will want to do that..

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 01:46 PM

another thing-i think may be happening is father's that have no hand or influence in raising their children-sometimes may feel that there is nothing they can do when they watch their kids being raised by someone else-thus start not giving a shit anymore as they are helpless to do anything about it.

Yes, and I think the fathers movement could help here, and it would be a lot easier if the MRM types wgere not more intrested in step fathers than biological fathers half of the time..

Whose kids are they?

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 01:44 PM

You only have to look at the facts and stats, the vast majoprity of men DO NOT complain about post seperation arrangements, despite the fact that most of them dont have anything like equal parenting arrangements..

If 40% of kids loosecontact with there dads within 2 yeras of seperation, perhaps we need to face the fact that not many dads give a shit, to be honest.. Which again, would explain the poor results for the Fathers campaigns

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i am not sure about the facts and stats-but from my experience with men/father's in my area-the post divorce men in my area seem to be fine with their extortion agreements
-i just cannot understand it-none will fight back in a meaningful way or even fight back at all-i think most just want to forget....

precisely.

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 01:41 PM

drex, my suggestion is to take your meds and take a break from posting. Your comments are that of someone who's not compus mentus.  I'm being kind to you here.  If you are thinking clearly, you're simply morally bankrupt to state that men do not give a shit about their kids.  You say such things without any evidence because there is no evidence to back up your ludicrous claims.  On the contrary there is much evidence that fathers love their children by and large.  You obviously don't leave the house much, or get to experience much of actual life to have your sad, narrow view of life.  Your comments say much about you, but little about the topic at hand.

You sound like a man who believes everything the doctors and the state control freaks tell you..

You take your drugs, I aint a mug, I have a fine mind and it does me proud! I take it you are an american? You solve all your problems with drugs, therapy, lawyers, and other such silly shit we have noted..  But that is just making you abetter victim isnt it?


You also sound like a man who wants to believe you are part of a great big movement full of many concerned fathers, who are of course all completely innocent of any wrongdoing..

Well, I am a bitmore realistic, because I have been out and seen a lot of what goes on and the figures, simp;ly doent add up..

You know full well, that if the call goes out to fathers to rally and make their voices heard, the turn outr will be absolutely abysmal.. Set that against the vast numbers of men who are not seeing their kids, and ask yourself whta they are prefferring to do?

WEacth sports? Tv, Video games? The "cause" is very undersupported and it is perhaps easy to see why isnt it?

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 01:30 PM

perhaps we need to face the fact that not many dads give a shit, to be honest.. Which again, would explain the poor results for the Fathers campaigns..

Prove it.  Sounds hateful to men in my book.

The evidence speaks for itself when you look at how few men are involved in any forms of campaigning for fathers issues..

The simple fact is Members of parliament in the UK note that they get very few folk approaching them about the issues, even thoygh the "40% lose contact within 2 years" statistic is accepted by most folk, which would suggest MILLIONS of absent fathers, and since only a very small minority are involved in any form of protesting or lobbying then what would a reasonable person deduce?

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Main / Re: Why is Tiger apologizing?

Feb 19, 2010, 01:24 PM

Tiger has wood! I recall a time when a sportsmam was judged by his ability on the sports field and a mans private life was between him and his chosen victims...

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Main / Re: Young women want a breadwinner husband in 2010

Feb 19, 2010, 07:38 AM

what is it with the "my property" hints when talking about "your" women. or the "i keep one or two at home"?

Are you a pimp or a husband/boyfriend?
are you a slave owner or a husband/boyfriend?

seriously.. a lot of your posts are like this. If those are your views, that you are better, that you own "your" women, that they are your slaves or whatever that you keep at home, well then you really aren't too welcome here.

and then when you get called out on it, you resort to shaming techniques?

I really shouldn't ask this, but what is your concept of family?

haha. you dont like my sense of humour eh? I understand now what it is about you folk.. And why despiet the fact that I do more than 99% of so called "activists"towards addressing the issue with the folk that need to know we are not happy, you guys still would rather have your feminist mothers talking for you or so it seems..

Jealousy.. I guess?

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 07:35 AM

The interesting fact I gathered from it, is that no matter howmuch the state tries to pressure folk (men) to do what they would like them too, it seems that, on average, fathers want the standard alternate weekends with their kids, wherever you go..

You heard it here first.  drex represents all men, and he has spoken.  

I think the men's rights movement was founded on the cornerstone of injustice to fathers.  If fathers had proper access and visitation rights (enforced), the MRM would likely be a HELL OF A LOT SMALLER than it is.  

So you are wrong when you say fathers are happy to see their kids once a fortnight.  I'm all for generalisations by the way when they are accurate.  The correct generalisation is this : most fathers would love to have meaningful, regular (as in at least shared) custody of their kids.  To say otherwise - this is actually a misandrist slur against men to say we don't want a proper relationship with our kids.  Would you subscribe to the belief that women are more loving to their children? I think that view is disturbing to say the least if that's the case.

You like to think that was the case woulkdnt you? But you only have to look at what men choose to do when they have the choice and you will see that most men do not want to do what the equal parenting types are suggesting, or perhaps it is the case that there are certain other things that they seem to prefer to be doing?
I wish what you were saying WAS the case, then we would not be looking so thin on the ground eh?

You only have to look at the facts and stats, the vast majoprity of men DO NOT complain about post seperation arrangements, despite the fact that most of them dont have anything like equal parenting arrangements..

If 40% of kids loosecontact with there dads within 2 yeras of seperation, perhaps we need to face the fact that not many dads give a shit, to be honest.. Which again, would explain the poor results for the Fathers campaigns..

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 07:29 AM

http://homeport.tcs.tulane.edu/~rouxbee/kids99/sweden4.html

I cant find the detailed article at the moment I remember seeing and posting in the past on another forum that showed the statistics..

But the point was, fathers who are seperated in scandinavian countries dont have so many problems with access as other western fathers.

My brother lived In norway for a while and the norwegians dont understand how fathers can have a problem seeing therir kids, when from their experience, they are being pressurised to spend more time with their kids, because the state wants to have both parents working and sharing child raising pretty equally..

The basic UK state attitude is that the most important role of fathers is to pay money.. Whereas the scandinavians see child support as being actual time spent dealing with your kids.. Not merely paying cash out..

OK I read it and it sounds like the way that custody should be done.

However you made the claim that men don't "take up on it" even though they're supposedly even PAID to do so.

So anyway, still waiting.  Or maybe you'd like to pull back a little on a statement that was made somewhat in haste.

The interesting fact I gathered from it, is that no matter howmuch the state tries to pressure folk (men) to do what they would like them too, it seems that, on average, fathers want the standard alternate weekends with their kids, wherever you go..

Considering the divorced dads I know -- many of whom actually pay MORE child support to see their kids more -- I don't think that's a "fact" at all.

Admittedly, I've only lurked here some lately so I'm not all that familiar with you, but I have to say that statements like the one above really have suspicious of your motives.

I mean, what you're basically saying is that it's your belief that one of the core tenets of what MRA stands for is complete BS.  Is that true?

Let us just say that there is a gulf bvetween what many MRA's think men want and what men actually do want..

And that is before we even get into to area of noting what men do compared to what they calim they are going to or wanting to do..

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Main / Re: Young women want a breadwinner husband in 2010

Feb 19, 2010, 03:09 AM

LOL!  Says the man with zero solutions and all kinds of problems..

It all depends how you look it at my good fellow.. That, is the very pertinent point isnt it?

What problems do you have that you need a solution to?

Low IQ seems to be the most obvious one.. I guess you had better stand in line and wait for someone to spoonfeed you, if they can be bothered..

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Main / Re: Just what has the men's movement accomplished anyway?

Feb 19, 2010, 03:04 AM

http://homeport.tcs.tulane.edu/~rouxbee/kids99/sweden4.html

I cant find the detailed article at the moment I remember seeing and posting in the past on another forum that showed the statistics..

But the point was, fathers who are seperated in scandinavian countries dont have so many problems with access as other western fathers.

My brother lived In norway for a while and the norwegians dont understand how fathers can have a problem seeing therir kids, when from their experience, they are being pressurised to spend more time with their kids, because the state wants to have both parents working and sharing child raising pretty equally..

The basic UK state attitude is that the most important role of fathers is to pay money.. Whereas the scandinavians see child support as being actual time spent dealing with your kids.. Not merely paying cash out..

OK I read it and it sounds like the way that custody should be done.

However you made the claim that men don't "take up on it" even though they're supposedly even PAID to do so.

So anyway, still waiting.  Or maybe you'd like to pull back a little on a statement that was made somewhat in haste.

Not at all, that link was just a minor one I found. The article I was thinking of was actually rather long and detailed but did cxlearly state that fathers were not so keen to swap their free  time with time with their kids over a certain amount..

The interesting fact I gathered from it, is that no matter howmuch the state tries to pressure folk (men) to do what they would like them too, it seems that, on average, fathers want the standard alternate weekends with their kids, wherever you go..

I posted the article on antimisandry.com some years ago I think..