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Main / Re: Please sign this >>
Aug 23, 2012, 03:00 PM
Guys, ultimately, this is about stopping men being tricked in to relationships or support for a child they did not consent to.  This is about giving us some control.
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Main / Re: Please sign this >>
Aug 19, 2012, 04:22 PM
I imagine like implants, this would be done in medical centres only.  The contraception can be reversed with another injection.
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Main / Please sign this >>
Aug 17, 2012, 04:57 PM
Hello everyone.

I have emailed the NHS in the past and received paltry replies about the subject of male contraceptives, so, I thought the next logical step in action is to petition the government and NHS in the UK.

I would ask everyone, home or abroad, to please sign this petition. It is only with overwhelming support, including submission to press groups, that we can make this an issue that will be heard and not brushed aside. Please email to anyone you know and freely share on facebook/etc etc.

Please let me know as well, any wording you may think I need to edit. It may seem long, but I tried to address most points the general public would perhaps agree with to maximise signatories. Any good pictures, that will win the signatures of everyone, would be good to add as well.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nhs-government-allow-male-contraceptives-equal-responsibility-for-both-genders


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For over a decade now, the promise of male contraceptives has moved beyond science-fiction, with choices that should be available, that wouldn't induce long term harm. There are other simple choices beyond synthetic testosterone.

The fact is, many couples, especially in long term relationships, both wish to engage in unprotected sex. So at the moment, the only male choices are condoms or a vasectomy, which can't always be reversed easily, limiting it as a choice for many people who may want children in the future.

Other choices include:
- IVD's (a simple plug in the sperm ducts)
- RISUG (a chemical injected in to the sperm ducts that acts rather like a spermicide and is then washed away with another injection when the male wishes to reproduce)

Other trials including male coils haven't been overly successful, but either of the methods above seem plausible. RISUG is the least invasive option and the best candidate. In trials worldwide, RISUG was effective in 249 out of 250 candidates and the one failure was reportedly due to an incorrectly placed injection.

One simple injection, can last for over ten years if so wished. Surely one simple injection, from a fiscal point, given to many men, is better than endless pills for women with terrible side effects or unwanted pregnancies which strain our NHS.

Since the scandal of the first female pills, where some women became very ill as the first formulations weren't suitable, I can understand the risk in not trialling and rushing out another pill. No-one wants that backlash.

However so many other choices exist, with some even being trialled in the past throughout the world, yet these choices still aren't available. It isn't because the technology doesn't exist, but because it isn't available publicly, playing politics with people's choices.

An abundance of female contraception exists, so it is only fair that men have that choice and it isn't just an issue foisted on women as their responsibility.

One excuse is cost. In the UK, where the NHS and Planned Parenthood clinics are free, I and many other men would not object to co-paying a small amount to help fund contraception while it is rolled out.

Another excuse is that men would not want to take it. That is why I ask people to sign this petition, to show we would take it and such an argument is sexist. Many of us have empathy for our girlfriends/wives, having irregular periods through their current contraception, see planned parenthood as a joint agreement and would be willing to take contraception ourselves if it were available. Please give us that democratic choice.

Please sign this petition to show the government and NHS that we want contraceptive choice for both genders. Equal responsibility should be an option.
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Yes, technically, but it is where someone cannot consent, because of age, incapacity or stature ... She violated the position of trust she was employed in by screwing them ...
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Hello everyone.

I have emailed the NHS in the past and received paltry replies about the subject of male contraceptives, so, I thought the next logical step in action is to petition the government and NHS in the UK.

I would ask everyone, home or abroad, to please sign this petition. It is only with overwhelming support, including submission to press groups, that we can make this an issue that will be heard and not brushed aside. Please email to anyone you know and freely share on facebook/etc etc.

Please let me know as well, any wording you may think I need to edit. It may seem long, but I tried to address most points the general public would perhaps agree with to maximise signatories. Any good pictures, that will win the signatures of everyone, would be good to add as well.

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nhs-government-allow-male-contraceptives-equal-responsibility-for-both-genders


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For over a decade now, the promise of male contraceptives has moved beyond science-fiction, with choices that should be available, that wouldn't induce long term harm. There are other simple choices beyond synthetic testosterone.

The fact is, many couples, especially in long term relationships, both wish to engage in unprotected sex. So at the moment, the only male choices are condoms or a vasectomy, which can't always be reversed easily, limiting it as a choice for many people who may want children in the future.

Other choices include:
- IVD's (a simple plug in the sperm ducts)
- RISUG (a chemical injected in to the sperm ducts that acts rather like a spermicide and is then washed away with another injection when the male wishes to reproduce)

Other trials including male coils haven't been overly successful, but either of the methods above seem plausible. RISUG is the least invasive option and the best candidate. In trials worldwide, RISUG was effective in 249 out of 250 candidates and the one failure was reportedly due to an incorrectly placed injection.

One simple injection, can last for over ten years if so wished. Surely one simple injection, from a fiscal point, given to many men, is better than endless pills for women with terrible side effects or unwanted pregnancies which strain our NHS.

Since the scandal of the first female pills, where some women became very ill as the first formulations weren't suitable, I can understand the risk in not trialling and rushing out another pill. No-one wants that backlash.

However so many other choices exist, with some even being trialled in the past throughout the world, yet these choices still aren't available. It isn't because the technology doesn't exist, but because it isn't available publicly, playing politics with people's choices.

An abundance of female contraception exists, so it is only fair that men have that choice and it isn't just an issue foisted on women as their responsibility.

One excuse is cost. In the UK, where the NHS and Planned Parenthood clinics are free, I and many other men would not object to co-paying a small amount to help fund contraception while it is rolled out.

Another excuse is that men would not want to take it. That is why I ask people to sign this petition, to show we would take it and such an argument is sexist. Many of us have empathy for our girlfriends/wives, having irregular periods through their current contraception, see planned parenthood as a joint agreement and would be willing to take contraception ourselves if it were available. Please give us that democratic choice.

Please sign this petition to show the government and NHS that we want contraceptive choice for both genders. Equal responsibility should be an option.
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One of the young men she is accused of sleeping with has publicly stated that she didn't commit a crime.


That is an ignorant comment from him.

The crime, was not the consensual act of sex, but someone in a position of trust, having sex with someone when they legally aren't allowed to.

We know that as statuary rape.
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Male birth control in many forms has been around for decades.  One method is a spermicide in gel, placed in the scrotum which can be removed and doesn't muck around with hormones, leaving the males able to reproduce straight away.


One could see the reason why they don't give male contraception out is because they don't want men to have that right.  Another possibility on their caution is that after the female pill was introduced, many women were very ill, some even terminally, because it was much too strong and not tested properly.

What annoys me is bullshit excuses of health departments though, stating that men wouldn't be interested in contraception.
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Main / Re: Ideas Wanted ...
Aug 15, 2012, 03:46 PM
Mmmmmm, need to think about what could be done locally, which would reverse the decline and not diminish/dishonour mens groups .....  Give me a while, the hamsters waking up ....
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Feminists on the attack in Vancouver

7.AVfM is targeted by police for investigation of hate crimes, rather than make an arrest for an unprovoked and clearly illegal assault.

All other things aside, I cannot see what could be construed as hate speech in a court.  Apart from sentencing him because he has a penis, I can't see what public disorder offence he has breached?  All the signs said is "you don't hate gays, do you?  .................. You don't hate women do you?  You don't hate men do you?"

How is that hate speech?  That is peace/anti-hate speech, claiming that people regardless of gender, sexual orientation or skin colour have the same rights.  There is nothing hateful to anyone with an ounce of logic about that.
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Ridiculous!

We have endured this crap for decades through warped opinions, but now they are trying to actually enforce rules.

If anyone bothered to look up the facts they would find:
- Most paedophiles/rings/abusers are couples or larger groups.  In the majority of cases, a woman will approach the child and lure it away to evade suspicion.  So by continuing to point a finger at men unfairly, people are actually an accessory to paedophilia by helping them mask abductions.
- In school safe-keeping statistics (in the UK, from experience of those working in the education sector), taking in to account the lack of male to female teachers ratios, cases of emotional abuse on a child are perpetrated by women over 70% of the time and physical abuse over half the time.


So who is the real harmful person to be sitting next to a strange minor?
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I predict little hope for him.

Scotland is the spoilt brat of the UK.  I can't see them listening to reason or the man being successful.
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Love the sarcasm guys  ...

However, I know too many people who would echo everything said, in a serious tone ....

God, this world depresses me .....


Anyway, I wonder who paid her bail?
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Do you mind my two cents?


My 19 year old son calls in the middle of the night. He says simply "come get me." I don't ask questions. " say "I'll be right there."  He is home from college staying with ex wife and most pertinent here 16 year old younger sister.

I pick him up. He has his suit cases packed and his other belongings. After we leave, "what is going on?"  X (his younger sister) is attacking him and mom won't do anything. Verbally or physically? Physically, and she threatened to call the police.

So, there you have it. Apparently, my daughter is attacking my son and threatening him with the police.

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Kind of strange given her mother did that to me some 10 years ago leading to my arrest and of course divorce. I had done nothing.  Her boyfriend who I didn't know existed until that night moved into my house before I even bailed out of jail.

My daughter is a really sweet girl around me, but according to her brother not so with him.  Her brother is a very fine decent young man.

My real inclination is to just ignore this situation because I cannot really think anything to do that wouldn't cause more trouble.

This is ironic because of the other thread about a girl lying about kidknapping and the statements that she should be punished.

Yes, but how when she doesn't live in my house, and isn't the best approach to try to be a positive role model rather than creating more controversy?

Sounds to me like these are the only two kids or the daughter lives at home with your ex on her own?

It seems as if, your daughter, is used to attention and affection off you and especially living with the mother.  So the son comes to stay and suddenly there isn't the attention on tap for your daughter, which is strange because at her age, society lavishes constant and generous attention on her, so she's mad, she wants your attention stealing son out of the way.

When she was an impressionable six year old, how did mummy get daddy out of the way?  Push him around and beat him, then threaten him with the police/courts.  So whenever she sees the same resentment and angry cloud, she acts like her mother.

It is up to your ex, instead of trying to keep the peace or ignore it; to divide attention properly or ignore the 16 year old having a 6 year old temper tantrum and reward the son.  Eventually, like training a dog/animal, your daughter will learn if she wants tribal inclusion and rewards, that she has to stop the tantrum and violence.

Sounds to me though, like your ex caves whenever she has a hissy fit, so she knows the tool works.  Perhaps if your daughter doesn't use that tool with you, it's because you project an air of authority and she knows she won't get away with it.  Also daughters know the best way to get what they want off daddy is to act like butter wouldn't melt!

I would continue using boundaries with your daughter and making sure you remain alpha dog.  Perhaps if your son has marks, sit the ex down and show her pictures and tell her she must start being very firm with the daughter as she may be becoming a brat.  It is up to you and the status of your relationship with the ex if you think this would help?


Anyway chill out and have a nice time with your son and enjoy this precious time.  On the upside, the more the ex's side of the family alienates him, the more he will see you and when he settles, maybe grandchildren.

Hope you don't mind my opinion by the way, not meant to offend, just the way I see it from what you said.
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That was in Detroit, Michigan, and I have a special stake in that shit-hole.

My advice to the last people who can stand it there: GET THE HELL OUT. And quit giving your money in some shape or form to the absolutely corrupt city council and city government. There are also videos on You-Tube of them telling a white contractor (who was the only non-corrupt person there) that "we don't really need someone of your ... ethnic ... background". Go home White Boy, we got some cousins to hire.

Look at the felony records of the last mayors if you want to get a picture of this shit-hole of a city. I used to think that anything under 8 Mile Road was a stinking sewer, but now I see people on-line talking about a shit-hole below 10 Mile Road (which used to be quite nice in some areas 20 years ago).

Let this thing ("Detroit") die a peaceful death.

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Umm ... sorry if my opinion was kind of ... direct.


I personally haven't visited some areas in the US yet, but from what I've seen of places like New Orleans and Detroit/the rust belt, it is quite frankly shocking.  I remember images of Bosnia after the conflicts a long time ago, even Bosnia looked better than some places in the US/UK!
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A woman did this?  Impossible! There must be some sort of error.  As feminists have told us time and time again, only men are capable of such horrific violence.


:laughing6: :laughing6:

True .... Even if a woman is found guilty, she won't be.

Any man would be charged with the crime and locked up as a monster.  She won't.  She won't be responsible for her actions at all, she'll be unwell, a victim of society and in need of medical help.

Funnily enough, I said the same thing earlier about gambling.  Councils are complaining of the laws that changed, that allowed gambling shops to open en mass in the UK and that was the reason for poverty.  What a crock of crap!  I walk past them all the time without going in.  Just because something is there, be it gambling, alcohol or frustration and a thought of going crazy in public, we all have self control, or should do and a level of personal accountability.

This culture of doing whatever the hell you want and having no responsibility for it or dealing with the consequences of ones actions really needs to end.