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Women's materialism is putting a lot of stress on our families, worklives, economies, cultures and probably the planet itself.
This is largely hidden because we are brainwashed with the mantra:
Men are materialistic, women are spiritual!
What a load of shit, the opposite is true. Women are interested in material things, men are the true absent minded, spiritual types, forever chasing the unseen patterns that underly our reality. A woman is not interested in the secrets of the universe, she is interested in the secrets of her next door neighbour (loosely speaking).
People have base tendencies that will never been eliminated. But the point is that when there are societal systems and codes of conduct we are able to manage them, and harness them for positive ends. The current system just makes them worse.
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One guy on my forum makes the argument that the root of all this, and hence the thing that ultimately needs to be tackled in order to create long lasting change is the humanities. The average man did not see litterature as important enough to defend, hence it was left wide open to attack from the feminists and post-modernists. The result of their assualt has been that, in a sense, our cultures are more sexually repressed than ever: our sexualities are reduced to bedroom mechanics, and we are forced to hide our different male and female sexual natures in everyday life.
When this material was presented on another forum, one guy made this response:
And on and on it goes. It's incredibly easy to get other guys girlfriends and wives, disturbingly easy. I don't do it because its another form of manipulation, turning man against man, brother against brother. I have no respect for guys who use their 'success' with women to stomp on other guys. The mistake many guys make when they go for a wife or a girlfriend is that they think they are 'hot stuff' because they are getting these 'taken women' but in reality the woman is often using him, usually to belittle the husband or boyfriend she's with (or to make other women jealous). When couples 'wife swap', it is often the wife trying to out-manipulate the other wife's husband (a contest of who can steal the other husband's love). This is Female Game.
But take this initial post and look at it culturally. If a wife takes her kids out and the husband cheats, it is rightfully seen as wrong and bad. However, if the husband takes her kids out and the wife cheats, it is called The Bridges of Madison County, a great best seller! If a woman seduces and makes an arch bishop breaks his vows, it is called The Thornbirds, another great best seller! What about a movie where the woman gets to act like a *****, spit on culture, cheat on her fiancee, abandon her family, to run off with a guy with no job? And to add insult to injury, when the girl dies where does she spend heaven with? She chooses not to be with her husband but rather with the one time lover! It is called Titanic, the best selling movie ever.
What is sad is that in trying to help your fellow man see the truth, they just grip their horse tighter in fear. The men start to turn against you, saying, "How dare you speak like that!" And once they get married, what happens? His entire life gets shunted into the material utopia. New cars for the wife, new house, bigger house, endless remodeling.
Think about how much wasted talent there is pursuing women and pleasing the wife. It didn't use to always be this way. A century or so ago, there were much tighter measures on such flippant behavior. If a single woman got pregnant, she would move away from the community. Today, that single mother is enshrined as a goddess.
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When they do this, the reward will be true attractiveness to women because they will be able to love women without loosing their identities as men.
I agree, and this is what we are aiming for with the MGTOW movement. But even if a man achieved this happy state, it would not negate the fact that:
1. The woman hes interested in might have been banged by every bad-boy in town, maybe had an abortion or two, and a number of years in the cut and thrust of some company, all resulting in her being hardened, cold, calculating and not able to untrust his soul to, or to form stable sexual intimacy with.
2. The entitlement mentality may still leave her with a constant roving eye for the bigger, better deal.
3. The marriage and family court laws are still stacked against men.
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Even many/most women themselves admit they are fickle and don't really know what they want.
Is this a good system to base society's future on?
The consumption of the men who excite her clitoris (the thugs) will ruin her.
The eventual capitulation of the nice guys into molding themselves to her designs for a passive chump to marry will result in her becomming bored with him and divorcing him; ruining him.
This situation cannot continue.
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The problem is... what makes a man attractive sexually makes a man unnattractive in terms of marriage.
This is why the erratic whims of the liberated clitoris are probably going to be far more of a dangerous risk to society than the military liberation of the atom.
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Yep, thats why I pointed out that they probably dont end up satisfied in the long term.
However, the same can also be said for the 'hot chicks', who in their teens and 20s are able to weild massive socio-sexual power, then find that power falls off a cliff at some point in their late 20s/30s.
By that time they're usually weilding massive socio-parental power as mothers.
Motherhood confers a lot of benefits on women... a definite increase in respectability and status as well as exclusive access to shaping the unconscious mores and loyalties of the next generation.
Agreed, but it is also worth remembering that there are going to be millions of women in the west who end up childless (and bitter).
I don't see a time when women's power falls off percipitously. True it changes sources throughout her life, but it never falls away... which may explain part of why women live longer then men. People who feel like they have power also have longer lives.
Life expectancy data is based on women who have been dying in recent years, meaning they lived the bulk of their life over the previous decades, maybe most of it before the full force of feminism. As far as I can tell from the current reports, young women today tend to be treated their own bodies badly, smoking and drinking more than ever before, it is entirely possible that the gap of age expectancy between the sexes will be closed in the future due to women's own hard-living tendencies.
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Yep, thats why I pointed out that they probably dont end up satisfied in the long term.
However, the same can also be said for the 'hot chicks', who in their teens and 20s are able to weild massive socio-sexual power, then find that power falls off a cliff at some point in their late 20s/30s.
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At last, someone tries to get to grips with the issues..
okay, what I am saying is that women today seem to have no constraints on their sexual behaviour.
Whenever a gender gets into power the first thing it does is relieve it's sexual constraints and tighten those of the opposite.
I think the situation is that a majority of men are constrained, simply because they are fed misinformation about what women want, and they dont have the skills to go out and get what they want (and also there is the fact that what they want: a stable long term relationship with a feminine genuine woman, may not even be realistic for the majority of men anymore, but thats a seperate issue).
But then you have a minority of men, who we might call 'players', who have either consciously clocked the system and are playing it for all its worth (witness the new trend of men who use speed seduction methods), or through shear chance are able to attract as many women as they want. These player men are not particular constrained in my opinion, in fact they are probably freer now than before the sexual revolution. However, that is not to say that they end up satisfied in the long term.
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Mr. Benn,
I think you're incorrect in assuming there are no controls on sex these days. There are. But they all have to do with male sexuality.
Further, in other times when women were controlled by notions of "good wife" and whore... there was a subset of women who fucked *a lot* of men-- whores-- and then there were the good wives who got their husband's sexual scraps in exchange for materially benefiting him (through home economy) and giving him legitimate children. And, at the time, good wives were pissed off about that as well because they actually *wanted* their husband's exclusive affection.
What's happened today is, essentially, the reverse. Women are liberated and men are caged. They are caged from acting out their desires because of the feminization of masculinity. Those men who have given in to the "nice guy" socialization are like "good wives": useful but basically sexless and unattractive. They have no sexual attractiveness to offer women because they only think in terms of how service to women defines masculinity, not how to define masculinity on their *own* terms.
Let me explain... a woman is only sexually attracted to men who define their own masculinity *themselves* and avoid socialization as a man who defines masculinity as service to women. This is women's greatest secret, I doubt even women realize it. But women actively create men who are and ecourage men to be asexual. Women control men's sexuality by defining masculinity in an undesirable way.
But aside from all that, what is it you want society to be? Do you want women and men to be forced into being faithful? Or do you want men and women both to be sexually liberated-- women allowed to choose their partners and men allowed to be desirable?
At last, someone tries to get to grips with the issues..
okay, what I am saying is that women today seem to have no constraints on their sexual behaviour. Yes I agree with you that one of the most insidious things about the feminist culture is that it misleads men as to what women want in a man. Hence the prevalence of men today who are the so-called AFCs (Average frustrated chumps).
The trouble in the West is that people tend to assume it is their right to behave however they like sexually. But this seems to be resulting in a lot of misery. What we have at the moment is , in my opinion, an unstable system that will not last long.
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Besides, I don't think you'll find that most people throughout the past few thousand years had expectations of 'romance' at the fore of their minds. Marriages in the past were far more likely to be about more practical considerations.
I think those are two different statements...I disagree with the first but agree with the second.
And what evidence do you have that the average woman during the last few thousand years has had romance at the fore of her mind? I don't see how you can make such an assertion.
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Romance and yearning have been around for millenia, Mr. Benn.
And then came along feminism.
...and didn't make much of a dent in the yearning.
"Romance is currently the largest and best-selling fiction genre in North America. It has produced a wide array of subgenres, all of which feature the mutual attraction and love of a man and a woman as the main plot, and have a happy ending."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre_fiction
Thats merely a consumption trend; perhaps indicative of the fact that women now consume men emotionally and sexually before dumping/divorcing them.
One could equally say that women are reading romance books because they don't want/can't experience it in real life.
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Romance and yearning have been around for millenia, Mr. Benn.
And then along came feminism.
Femininity may have been around for millenia, but I don't see much of it in the West these days.
Besides, I don't think you'll find that most people throughout the past few thousand years had expectations of 'romance' at the fore of their minds. Marriages in the past were far more likely to be about more practical considerations.
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All this talk of romance and yearning, one would think we are back in the 19th Century LOL
Have you actually experienced the 'dating' scene of the youth these days?
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They find men's bodies disgusting and their emotional beings stunted and warped. Yet they still get *something* from men... what is it?
When she looks in a man's eyes she will see that, in his naive way, he is idealising her as a perfect little innocent angel, whereas another woman would be much more realistic about her true nature.
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Another question is: do women find it easier to seperate sex with feelings when having sex with another woman than when with a man?
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