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Like you'd expect something different on feministing.org, but I just had to share:

The Question of Accountability in Feminism
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One of the buzz words that kept coming up at the pro-feminist men's conference at St. John's last week was accountability. How can men be accountable to women? How can pro-feminist men be accountable to the feminist movement?

There were no easy answers. Michael Kaufman, founder of the White Ribbon Campaign, wisely debunked the idea that there is some all-powerful feminist committee who serve as the accountability police. Obviously it is a diverse movement filled with folks who would consider some things okay and others offensive--as evidenced by the comment section of this very blog on a daily basis.

On the other hand, it does seem critical for men interested in doing feminist work and identifying with the feminism to be accountable to certain basic ideas--like the notion that men have, for too long, possessed a disproportionate amount of power in our society. This means that in feminist spaces, men should be cognizant of how much they talk, what sort of influence they exert, what kind of leadership they inhabit. But then again, shouldn't men and women always strive to be cognizant of these things.

And, of course, real accountability would come in creating a world where everyone gets to express their gender identity in whatever way feels most authentic, a world where no one would be forced to exist within a gender binary that didn't feel right for them. Men and women aside, this is the ultimate dream that we can be accountable for.

Anyone else have ideas about accountability within feminism? I sort of tie myself in knots trying to think through this one.
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Oh, I also said that when you fucked with men over and over and over, it was more than a little niave to not expect a certain percentage of them to snap.  I guess predicting the inevitability of something also must needs endorse it.


No, of course it doesn't mean you endorse it, you know that, I know that, we all know that. But it sure seems pretty easy for people to twist the logic and pin that on you, and that's what happened to Glenn, in my view.


How would YOU explain your way out of it, if it were you who were being interviewed, not Glenn?
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Perhaps, Dr. E, but I'm seeing Glenn's efforts to be also along the lines of trying to make sure there is nothing that anyone can point at on our side by being totally straight up, and then hoping that reasonable people come out from under the spell of the feminists once they see how straight up, well-researched, and NOT vindictive Glenn is trying to be. (And thus, safe to approach and discuss amongst others -- "Hey, I've recently seen stuff from this Glenn Sacks guy, he may have a point here..." and NOT have people come back with "Oh HIM? Well, he's such a stupid misogynist blah blah blah".) Thus, this is the only path to trust in the mainstream. It's the best way to get our word out and be understood and valued.

Then, when the feminists see that they are starting to be questioned about their beliefs, their actions, and they see they don't hold sway over people like they have up until now, THEN things will change.
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Main / Time for another Pussy Pass!
Nov 10, 2009, 03:45 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-us-astronaut-arrested,0,6341233.story

Former astronaut Lisa Nowak pleads guilty, gets 1-year probation in attack on romantic rival

MIKE SCHNEIDER

Associated Press Writer

4:25 PM CST, November 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- A former astronaut who drove 1,000 miles from Houston to Orlando to mount a bizarre attack on a romantic rival pleaded guilty Tuesday to reduced charges and was sentenced to a year on probation.

Lisa Nowak, a Navy captain, pleaded guilty to third-degree felony burglary and misdemeanor battery. She originally had been charged with two felonies -- attempted kidnapping and burglary -- along with misdemeanor battery. She could have faced up to life in prison under the more serious felony charges.

Nowak confronted her romantic rival, Colleen Shipman, in the parking lot of Orlando International Airport in February 2007 after driving from Houston. Shipman had begun dating Nowak's love interest, former space shuttle pilot Bill Oefelein.

Wearing a wig and trenchcoat, Nowak followed Shipman to the parking lot and tried to get into her car, then attacked her with pepper spray. Shipman was able to drive away.

Police arrested Nowak a short time later in the parking lot near a trash can where she was seen getting rid of a bag. In Nowak's bag police found a steel mallet, a knife, a BB pistol, rubber tubing and several large garbage bags.

"Almost three years later, I'm still reeling from her vicious attack," Shipman told Circuit Judge Marc L. Lubet after Nowak's plea, holding back tears. "I know in my heart when Lisa Nowak attacked me, she was going to kill me.

"I believe I escaped a horrible death that night," said Shipman, a former Air Force captain who worked at Patrick Air Force Base near the Kennedy Space Center.

Shipman described how she still fears for her life, suffers nightmares, migraines, high blood pressure and other medical problems and has bought a shotgun and has a concealed weapons permit. She said her Air Force career was ruined by medical problems stemming from the attack. She now lives in Alaska with Oefelein.

"The world I knew before Lisa Nowak is unrecognizable," Shipman said. "Every stranger I see is a potential attacker."

After being told by the judge to face Shipman, Nowak apologized for the pain she brought to Shipman's life.

"I hope very much that we can all move forward from this with privacy and peace," Nowak said.

Lubet ordered her to have no contact with Shipman or Oefelein and to write Shipman a letter of apology. The sentence included two days in jail but the judge waived it for time already served. He said the plea could adversely affect her career and retirement benefits with the Navy.

"You brought this on yourself. I don't have any sympathy for you in that respect," Lubet told Nowak.

The plea came after an appeals court ruled last year that diapers, latex gloves and other items found in Nowak's car could be used as evidence in a trial that had been scheduled for next month, but her six-hour police interview after her arrest could not. The court said investigators took advantage of the former astronaut, who had not slept for more than 24 hours, coercing her into giving information.

Prosecutor Pam Davis had asked for jail time and at least five years of probation, dismissing claims from Nowak's defense attorney that Nowak had been "over charged" by police detectives because of her high profile.

"This has nothing to do with Ms. Nowak being an astronaut. This is about what she did," Davis said.

Nowak, 46, is a married mother of three. She flew on the space shuttle in 2006, but was dismissed from the astronaut corps after her arrest and has since been on active duty at a Navy base in Corpus Christi, Texas. Oefelein, 44, also was forced out of NASA.

Copyright 2009 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Main / Re: Bonnie, Bonnie, Bonnie
Oct 29, 2009, 07:46 PM
Oh, I dunno. I think Dr. Helen Smith has a pretty good take on the subject:

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules."

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-his-good-ol-boys/
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Main / One for our side...
Oct 26, 2009, 09:11 PM
Just stumbled across this video. Not bad!

http://www.youtube.com/v/pSdZlPKHpUQ


(She's kinda cute, too...)
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http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/10/obama_marriage_tension_allmale.html

Excerpt:

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He also says that men tend to be "obtuse'' about these matters - and "need to be knocked across the head once in a while.'' He "absolutely'' had to learn to be more sensitive.


That's it. Any support I was even thinking of giving this asshole is gone forever.
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More blame-the-males. He recognizes the role that fatherlessness plays in creating this problem, but misses horribly on assessing the cause of it. Emphasis below is mine.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped1006byrneoct06,0,2750390.column

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Seems like every time you turn around, a man, or a man-child, is fighting, maiming, stalking, raping or killing somebody. On a street outside Fenger High School, thugs beat a student to death. Punks used to wait for darkness to do their killing, but a fatal beating in front of an audience in broad daylight isn't something you see very often, even in Chicago.

Man shot dead in Garfield Park. West Side assassin plugs a man in the eye. Man accused of beating to death the former fiance of a cast member of "The Real Housewives of Atlanta." Man charged with beating to death five -- five -- members of one family. A Northfield, Minn., man indicted in the beating death of his 17-month-old stepson. James Degorski convicted of the thrill killing of seven in a Brown's Chicken restaurant. That's just a few of the crimes by men that made news in a 24-hour news cycle last week.

It's no coincidence that prisons are overflowing with men. Without men, our cities, our world, would be a safer place. No, this is not a lame parody of feminist dogma, which would blame men for every horror. But it is impossible to continue to ignore the common denominator: more than poverty, race, access to guns, anomie (or whatever sociologists call it these days), the thread linking so much violence is simply the fact that men do it. On the streets, outside schools, in homes and restaurants; in series or in isolation -- you name it, there's usually a man with a fist, club, knife or gun.

Experts have filled bookshelves with volumes of studies exploring male violence and masculinity. They look to biology, such as the male hormone, testosterone, for explanations. They look to "acculturation" and various societal influences. President Barack Obama, not to be outdone, has dispatched Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Attorney General Eric Holder to Chicago to investigate the death of Derrion Albert, the bludgeoned Fenger High School honor student.

This is all old ground, and I can't imagine that much new can be said. Every possible cause has been cited and undoubtedly they all play a role. But here's a thought: The reason that so many men are violent is other men.

Boys must learn from other men how to control their natural assertiveness, aggression or whatever you want to call it. Sorry, women can't do it alone. Boys must see how good men behave, and that such behavior is a fruitful way to win respect and success. Boys left without a model to show them the value of male qualities and values -- strength, bravery, practicality, decisiveness, competitiveness, discipline, loyalty, pride, independence and physicality among them -- have less chance of learning how to use them for their own or others' benefits. Obviously all these traits aren't exclusively male, but in total, they help define masculinity.

If anything's clear, not enough boys are getting these lessons. Too many men are abandoning their sons. Single motherhood, divorce and absent fathers have become plagues. Marriage is fast becoming an anachronism. What men are doing to their sons is cruel and indefensible.

Pending a return to proper fathering, something has to be done. Last week, I suggested the creation of all-male public high schools with all-male faculty. Some thoughtlessly dismissed it out of hand; one reader called the idea "fascist." Others, no doubt, consider it sexist. But I'm not giving up. Chicago Public Schools already has established several all-male charter high schools, and they are successful. Because father abandonment is so pervasive, every boy -- not just "high-risk" ones -- should attend, but of course, that's unlikely.

But take a lot of the money that was to be spent on the 2016 Summer Olympics, pump it into the Chicago school system to create more all-male schools and hire and retain good male teachers. Disciplined, strong of character, intelligent men. Men whose very presence will nourish the souls of boys who are struggling to find their way through the fog of adolescence. So that they won't get caught in the grip of gangs and violence, the only source left for achieving what they tragically believe is their true masculinity.

Gangs and violence are Chicago's biggest problem. The abandonment of civil society by too many males is a huge reason for poverty, hopelessness and violence. Chicago 2016, are you listening? It wouldn't create the kind of profits you were dreaming about, but it would, more modestly, help save the city.

Dennis Byrne is a Chicago-area writer and consultant. He blogs at ChicagoNow.com">ChicagoNow.com">ChicagoNow.com">ChicagoNow.com
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The other aspect about requiring solvency in a mate is that the women expressing this desire have no intention of sharing the money they worked hard for, so you'd better have your own, buster.

Oh, and they feel they deserve a share of that, too.
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Main / Re: You have got to see this.
Sep 13, 2009, 04:52 PM
This is wonderful, but why is it that when women talk about it people go "Wow, great points, we should do something" etc. but if a man was to give this exact same interview he wouldn't be given nearly the same credibility.

(I'm not normally a glass-half-empty kind of guy, but in this case I am)
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-male-teachers-19-aug19,0,3771337.story

Fewer male teachers are in K-12 classrooms in Illinois

Men cite obstacles to taking the jobs, and many educators believe teachers' gender gap isn't good for how young boys and girls learn

By Joel Hood

Tribune reporter

August 19, 2009

For two years Chezare Warren taught math at a middle school on Chicago's South Side, weathering the kind of situations that keeps so many men from pursuing teaching careers at elementary and secondary schools.

There were the usual jokes from friends about his low pay and cushy workday. There were the awkward moments with women who sometimes belittled his profession. There was the occasional whisper or suspicious glance from parents who questioned why a young man would choose to spend so much time with children.

Most troubling for Warren -- one of six male teachers on a staff of more than 30 -- was the look in the eyes of many of his young male students each semester who, lacking positive male role models at home, seemed to latch onto him for fatherly guidance.

"I learned early on to draw lines and establish boundaries with students," Warren said. "I needed to instill in them that I wasn't their father, I wasn't their social worker."

Those experiences partly explain the ever-widening gender gap among teachers, which accelerated in the early 1960s as more women sought jobs outside the home, said Steve Tozer, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Many educators believe the trend has had a profound impact on the way young boys and girls learn. That's particularly true in urban communities where more and more children are growing up without a steady male influence, they say.

"You're talking about something that has had a devastating impact on the academic success of young black men in their formative years," said Phillip Jackson, president of the Black Star Project, a Chicago-based organization that promotes children's education. "Unfortunately, the males that become important in the lives of so many African-American and Latino boys are the gang leaders, the drug dealers, the hustlers -- and if that's all they see, that's what they'll become."

While male professors still far out-number women at colleges and universities, their numbers are dwindling at lower grade levels, both across the Chicago area and around the country.

In Illinois, fewer than 1 in 4 teachers between kindergarten and high school are men, a percentage that has declined over a 10-year period from 24.6 percent in 1999 to 22.9 percent in 2008, according to the Illinois State Board of Education.

The ratio of male teachers is 1 in 5 at Chicago Public Schools, the state's largest district, and at Plainfield High School District 202 in western Will County, among the state's fastest growing. Those ratios are robust compared with the 12 percent of male teachers at Joliet Public School District 86, and the 11 percent at Downers Grove Grade School District 58 and at Schaumburg Community Consolidated 54. Some districts have no male teachers.

Mary Fergus, a State Board of Education spokeswoman, said the board is concerned about the imbalance but has no plans to recruit more men.

Phyllis Watson, superintendent for Joliet District 86, said her district has a program to recruit minority teaching candidates but does not make a distinction between men and women. Similar minority-targeted programs are used in Downers Grove, Schaumburg and scores of other districts.

"We want our classrooms to reflect the world as a whole, and we put such a priority on hiring people of color. Why do we ignore gender?" said Bryan Nelson, director of MenTeach, a Minneapolis-based advocacy group for male teachers. "The message we're sending to boys is that, not only is teaching a women's realm, but perhaps education is as well."

Yet after decades of decline, Nelson and others are optimistic about a turn-around. Over the last year, Nelson said, thousands of men laid off from their careers in business, advertising, journalism and other white-collar professions are taking a fresh look at teaching, attracted by its seemingly stable work environment and the opportunity to make a difference in the lives of the next generation.

That optimism is shared in academic circles as well, although officials warn it's too soon to say whether men really are seeking teacher certification in larger numbers than before. At National-Louis University in Chicago and other area schools that offer such programs, women still make up a strong majority. Officials said that disparity has not gone unnoticed, but that their top concern is producing qualified teachers regardless of demographics.

"The optimal thing would be to have a diverse teaching staff at all levels," said Harry Ross, chair of secondary education at National-Louis. "But the key is to work ourselves away from the stereotypes that say women are better at certain things, or men are better at other things."

Eric Schmitt, a 5th-grade teacher at Creekside Elementary School in Plainfield, became a teacher two years ago after a career as an accountant. He said pride and ego are perhaps the two biggest reasons more men don't pursue teaching at the lower grade levels. Experts agree, saying that low starting pay and stigma are major factors, along with outdated stereotypes about men's and women's roles, and few mentorship opportunities.

"It's not glamorous, it's not a status position," said Schmitt, 44. "Guys at a young age are chasing after big dreams, big money. But at some point, later in life, they look for a job that's more meaningful."

Increasingly, administrators are reluctant to hire a man to teach young children for fear of abuse allegations or outcry from parents. When the men are young, single and fresh out of college, the reluctance is even greater, said Valora Washington, president of the CAYL Institute in Massachusetts, which last fall released a study on the shortage of male teachers.

"I've heard from many men that they've just felt unwelcomed by their school administration," Washington said. "Working with children is often not the problem, it's working with the adults."

Keilan Bonner, 29, an advanced placement math teacher at King College Prep High School on Chicago's South Side, said he connects to the boys in his class on a different level than a female teacher might.

"We talk about a lot of stuff they might not be comfortable sharing with others," Bonner said. "They know I'm somebody they can talk to outside of class and I think they appreciate that."

Mike Schuelke, a 4th-grade teacher at Freedom Elementary School in Plainfield, said he was the first male teacher many of his students had ever had. And, he said, that seemed to bring him a certain respect. "It may not last long, but you can see it there in the beginning," said Schuelke, 31.

Warren, 27, said he also noticed that extra measure of respect in the beginning. But after two years teaching 8th-grade math at Calumet Middle School, a charter school in Chicago's Auburn- Gresham neighborhood, and two years at other area schools, Warren left to pursue other interests. He's now enrolled in a doctoral program at UIC and hopes to one day teach at a college.

"There's a lot I really enjoyed about teaching," Warren said. "But it wears on you and there's a lot that can discourage you. I felt like I needed a change."

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Copyright 2009, Chicago Tribune
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That's one of our US senators in my home state of Missouri, Claire McCaskill.
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Main / Re: 0 to 100 in two weeks!
Aug 12, 2009, 08:51 AM



Funny stuff but likely fiction.  Any guy who was gone for two weeks would at least send his gf a postcard.



Maybe it's just me, but I'm trying to understand how serious this relationship is when

1. He doesn't bring her on the trip with him.
2. He doesn't even talk to her about it beforehand to, you know, check to see if she's OK that he goes to Europe without her, for instance.

He just "phones" to say "Hey, it's me, I'll be in Europe for two weeks without you and without my phone on, see ya!" And he doesn't even try to make sure she got the message?

Seems there were two dysfunctional people in this relationship...



Still doesn't excuse any of the behavior. Again she NEVER assumed he might be injured, just assumed he dumped her. And she apparently never actually investigated where he went.



Never meant to imply that it did, Mr. X. I was merely attempting to add other considerations to the picture.
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I thought I had heard that the translator who relayed the question to Mrs. Clinton got it wrong. The question was apparently originally intended to ask what Obama's opinion was, not Pres. Clinton's.


Even so, chip on shoulder much?
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Main / Re: 0 to 100 in two weeks!
Aug 11, 2009, 08:49 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I'm trying to understand how serious this relationship is when

1. He doesn't bring her on the trip with him.
2. He doesn't even talk to her about it beforehand to, you know, check to see if she's OK that he goes to Europe without her, for instance.

He just "phones" to say "Hey, it's me, I'll be in Europe for two weeks without you and without my phone on, see ya!" And he doesn't even try to make sure she got the message?

Seems there were two dysfunctional people in this relationship...