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Main / Do ovaries make you Liberal?

Apr 10, 2006, 10:24 AM

There are lots of outspoken conservative women out there.  I work right next door (cube?) to one.    Our admin assistant is a committed libertarian (which makes her "conservative" in some respects).  Actually, I know more liberal guys than chicks, of those I've gotten to know professionally...hmm, I never really thought about that before.  I must think more deeply on this.  Interesting...

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Main / Denigration of Cops

Apr 10, 2006, 10:21 AM

Lisa- You didn't comment on what you would think of millions of dollars being spent on paying MRA's to "train" police across the country about domestic violence.  What would your reaction be to something like that?

I dunno about "MRAs;" my ex-husband's police instructors weren't "feminists."  However, I'd have no objection to having police trained in recognizing and responding to domestic violence against males if it were shown that they weren't responding to it.  

On a side note: Actually, I do remember when my ex-husband's county policy went to the zero-strike rule about domestic violence calls.  They (the police) were required by law to arrest anybody on site who was accused by anybody else on site who showed physical marks and who said that the other person was the one who did it.  It was emphasized to them (the police) that these arrests must be made regardless of gender.  My ex-husband (husband at the time) told me that in the first month of the policy taking effect, he had to arrest both halves of more than fifteen couples, both of whom accused the other, both of whom bore physical marks.  Apparently word got around, because about half a year after that, the call-ins for domestic violence started noticeably decreasing.

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Main / Denigration of Cops

Apr 10, 2006, 08:23 AM

Lisa - This sounds good but it just doesn't fit with the crap we have seen with the billions spent on DV and in particular the federal tax money spent on "training" the police in how to respond to DV.  We have allowed an ideologically driven group the opportunity to be funded by taxpayers money to "teach" police their way of seeing things.  This has had an impact just as the laws have had an impact.  The feminist sexist and misandrist stench is spread far and wide through publically funded tax dollars.  I can only imagine the horror if MRA's were given the same opportunity.  I bet you wouldn't like that one bit now would you?  Maybe that will give you a sense of how we feel.  Federal monies to pay MRA's to "teach" police their point of view.  lmao

"We," is right.  Not "they," the cops--I fail to see why cops should be more to blame than any other voter should.  But that's JMO.

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Main / Re: Denigration of Cops

Apr 10, 2006, 07:57 AM

Part of me wanted to laugh. Cops actually deserve this in a sense. They bought into the feminist BS completely. They enforced it. They arrested hundreds of thousands of men based on no evidence of wrongdoing, etc. They have been the henchmen for feminist aggression for years. It is only just and right that they receive some of what they have given.

I don't think that's fair; cops don't make the law, and aren't allowed to choose when to enforce it and when not to.  And you wouldn't want them to have that power, either--places where cops do have that power are noted for their corruption.  Don't slam the cops for the laws created by elected officials that they only had the same power as you to control.

Lisa, whose children's father is a cop

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Main / Duke Lacrosse articles

Apr 10, 2006, 06:54 AM

Maybe you can't see that Lisa due to your own ideology.

So true, Dr. E. I haven't expressed an opinion anywhere one way or another about the innocence or guilt of the Duke Lacrosse players because my ideology won't let me pass judgement on any specific rape (or any other criminal) case without the facts.  It's unfortunate that more people, both on this board and off, don't follow the same ideology.

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Main / Duke Lacrosse articles

Apr 10, 2006, 06:52 AM

Well I have to say that regarding this forum it's the opposite. Many posts have lynched the woman before the facts have come out.

  I guess it's "lynching" when the Enemy does it and "justice" when the Allies do it...

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Main / Re: Duke Lacrosse articles

Apr 10, 2006, 06:03 AM

If it turns out that these boys are innocent it would be worthwhile to have the most offensive articles on hand to point out the misandry and prejudice.  I worry that those articles might "dissappear" if it breaks that they are completely innocent.  Feel free to paste in the articles you think are good examples of this.  When and if they are found innocent we will have an abundant source of evidence with simple and easy quotes on hand.  If they  boys are guilty then the thread can simply be deleted.  .

So this thread will "disappear" instead?

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 05:42 PM

If Western women are so wonderful, as they themselves seem to think, then why are there not more foreign men coming to these lands to marry them?

They'd love to. Western women generally don't want them.

From what I have seen they wouldn't.

From what you've seen, the majority of non-Western men don't want Western women?  Can you be more descriptive?

In any case, lack of demand does not imply absence of lack of supply.

Not sure I'm getting you here, sorry.

Also, being very picky does *not* increase one's market value.

Actually, it can.  

Why is it that the market value of modern Western man is so much higher than that of modern Western woman?

It isn't that--it's that the value of modern Western men is so much higher than that of modern non-Western men.

Then what about all those Vietnamese and Philippine women marrying Korean men?

What about them?  Not a situation I'm familiar with, I'm sorry...can you enlighten me?

And if the value of Western men is so high, then why do Western women not appreciate that? Something wrong with their perception perhaps?

Western women do appreciate them in the sense that they would rather marry them than non-Western men, generally speaking, which is the same level of appreciation that non-Western mail order brides are showing...however, for some reason it's BAD NAUGHTY BAD for Western women to, for instance, want to marry up to Western men but its GOOD WONDERFUL GOOD for non-Western women to want to marry up to Western men.  Hmm...one of these three groups must sugar-coat the wanting to marry up with some serious ass-kissing...thereby making it more palatable to another one of these groups...hmm...

No, it's that the rest of the world wants to come live in our femdiseased culture.

If vultures pick clean the bones a lion's carcass, does that make them his friends? (Please note that this is a metaphor). What I mean is that if people nibble at you, it does not necessarily mean that they approve of you.

I agree with that in many ways.

Some ladies seem to worry more that their good sisters overseas will be threatened once they get here, and they are doing something about it, I believe.

These "ladies" are only concerned with power, IMHO. Otherwise they would see that the potential for malpractice against men is at least as large as the potential for malpractice against women.

I expect that they do see that.  

No, Ikanneg. I think there is a serious problem with the attractiveness of Western women, especially Anglo-Saxon women. I have noticed a tendency in humankind to treat the best the worst and the worst the best in matters concerning the heart. Nowhere in the world are men treated worse with respect to women than in that pinnacle of Western civilization, America. And American women are one of the most privileged groups in the world. Draw your own conclusions.

I agree with your statement in bold.  Rewriting the subsequent sentence as, "And American women are one of the most privileged group of women in the world," I would agree with that too.  And I'd add a third sentence, "And America is unquestionably the greatest and currently only superpower and for its size wealthiest and most advanced country in the world."  Hmm...draw your own conclusions.  

I wish Western woman would reclaim her femininity from the false Goddess she is worshipping. It would be fruitful.

Lots of Western women are very feminine, including Yours Truly.    

Of course, you and I probably define femininity differently.

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 05:30 PM

What men shortage here?

Are they knocking your door down Lisa?   :wink:

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 12:42 PM

I like this thread, because it shows lkanneg's true colours - in this thread, she's more aggressive than her usual passive-aggressiveness - she's clearly unhappy with the choices (the free choices) western men and Asian women are taking.  Of course she denies it, but why the negative interest she is clearly displaying (despite her attempts to deny it?).

(sigh) IMHO, I really don't care...any man who wants a mail-order Asian bride, would never want me.  Therefore, even if he couldn't have said Asian mail-order bride, he'd never take me instead.  Therefore, I'm not losing any men that I might have had to the mail-order bride business...so why would I care?   However, if you are determined to believe that I am secretly (or not so secretly) writhing in agony and frustrated rage at the thought of all those Western men chasin the Asian 'tang, then I won't argue with you anymore.  

Anyway, lkanneg, here's a mental exercise for you.
Your are miserable in your homeland - you feel persecuted. OK, hold that thought.

You then take a holiday out in some far away place, and find a different society - and and having a happy life here are FAR better than in your home land.

Question to lkanneg : what do you do?

If it was feasible, I'd emigrate, I'm sure...and honestly, I'm totally fine with any guy who wants to do the same.  Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  

I 100% predict an "lkanneg squirm" reply here - an indefinite answer because she knows the only answer is the obvious one - the one which contradicts her doubts in this thread.

Don't quit your day job for prognostication...

And lkanneg - since you have something against mail-order brides, what do you think of a western guy going out to a foreign country, going to a completely "normal" bar (as in, no bar girls), and picking up a local girl - then they go out, then they get engaged, then they get married? How is that different from a guy going to a bar in his local town?

I don't care either way..?  None of my business..?  

Get used to the free market.  Get used to the fact that feminism is devaluing western women.

If this is being devalued, I'd hate to see what you think being VALUED entails.    

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 08:01 AM

Bullshit, they dont do this for the safety of foreign women. They dont give a damn about them. This is a way to further intrude into mens lives.
Stally

<shrug> If I were involved with the situation, I'd be doing it for the safety of the women.  If you prefer to believe that they're all out to get you instead, you can.

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 08:00 AM

Your "feminist lack of interest in the whole situation" has produced a remarkable number of posts.

Yes, I know.  

TBH, I like to discuss issues with you guys that you care a lot about but that I have less strong feelings upon.  I try to stay away from the issues I DO have very strong feelings about (though I occasionally fail at this, I admit).  I don't wanna get upset.

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 07:41 AM

Y'know, one would almost think you were PRAYING that was the response, and my own feminist lack of interest in the whole situation is what's irking you. Wink

If feminists are so disinterested why are they tacking on hurtful legislation to their beloved VAWA to screw with the industry?

Concern for the safety and well-being of women coming here who not only don't know the laws here, often don't even have a good grasp of the language.  Simple.

I think they are plenty upset.  There is already a shortage of men and to have that short supply going overseas to find a spouse must be telling them something.

What men shortage here?  Honest question.  Neither I nor any woman I've ever spoken to has complained of a man shortage beyond the one that nature imposes (less men after age 30).  I have yet to even hear the most MRA man state that the numbers of Western men marrying foreign brides are any kind of significant percentage at all...are you saying that's the case?  (I'd still be unconcerned if it was, but I am curious.)

Of all the messages we have been sending and getting no respect this is one message that is getting their attention.  My hat is off to all of the men who are seeking foriegn brides and the men like JoeFin who are facilitating that process.  You are getting their attention.  Maybe if more and more men do this Sleeping Beauty will start to get the idea.

Well, you can always hope, I guess.  Maybe it'll even work out that way for you guys.  Best of luck.

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 07:04 AM

The notion of Asian men being affronted by the export of their women is a western invention. It's a totally different mindset. A Filipino guy will tell you, with some pride, that he has a sister in Hicksville, US,  that's married to a Kano. He has a link to the magical land of 'abroad' and he will boast about it with his drinkmates. In his eyes, he didn't lose a sister, he gained a rich and influential brother-in-law.

Hmm...as there was never a chance he was going to marry his sister, this is something of an apples-and-oranges comparison...would you hear the same story from a Filipino guy whose fiancee dumped him and is now in Hicksville US married to a Kano?  As a man concerned with the rights and feelings of other men...as I assume MRAs are...would an MRA be concerned with his rights and feelings in this situation?  Or...which is more the general impression I get from MRAs...is it so pleasant to have non-Western women wanting to flock over here that considering and advocating for the feelings and rights of the non-Western men they leave behind would be rather...inconvenient?

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Main / Foreign brides

Apr 09, 2006, 07:00 AM

Let me have a try at this one Sir Jessy - I think lkanneg wants MRAs to be concerned with, for example, Thai men because some Thai women are choosing western men as partners.  This must be a terrible thing for Thai  men since now that western men are coming over by the plane load to Thailand, it means some Thai men have to go without a woman (this, I believe, is lkanneg's logic).

Or, lkanneg, are you really speaking about western women here?

Um, no, I wasn't speaking of Western women.  I don't think the problem has escalated to the point that Thai men are suddenly experiencing a severe bride shortage.  (But I don't know.)  I was thinking more of the psychological factors--knowing that your fellow countrywomen in large numbers, if given a choice, would dump you in seconds for some stranger multiple thousands of miles away.  But maybe it's not in large numbers...large numbers of Western men aren't getting mail-order brides, though I do suspect that there are a whole heck of a lot more wannabe non-Western brides than wannabe Western husbands.  

Because the exact counter-part problem is that western women are losing western men to foriegn women.

Not in sufficient numbers that it makes any difference in the general mating pool in the West, I don't think.