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Quote from: "typhonblue"
And, finally, all of this discussion does not change the fact that now sexual harrassment can be persecuted if "a woman's experience of the same treatement differs *subectively* from a man's."


Yes, THIS is the important lesson here!
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Main / If men have all the power
Sep 24, 2005, 12:40 PM
People, I have found this book called "If Men Have All the Power How Come Women Make The Rules" by Jack Kammer.

It is an interesting read, and it's also available in PDF format at the following URL (yes, it's legal)

http://www.rulymob.com/ifmenhav.pdf
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People, I think you're missing the bigger picture here. It really isn't that important what happened in this specific case, who yelled at whom in this specific case...

This is the important part

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This decision significantly expands the types of behaviors that may furnish a basis for a claim of discrimination.


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Because women found the behavior subjectively more intimidating than men did, and reasonable women would do so, the conduct treats women differently.


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Finally, the court's logic raises the question of whether the case would have come out the same way if the director engaging in the abusive behavior was a woman. Given one of the Ninth Circuit' remarks, perhaps not.
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Main / girls smarter than boys...sheerman
Sep 24, 2005, 12:08 PM
Quote from: "Ikanneg"
Did I miss something somewhere (serious question)? Who got 50 million bucks??


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Feminists didn't actually feed on the president of Harvard University, but it's certainly been all-you-can-eat-at-Sizzler night, metaphorically speaking. In January, you might recall, Larry Summers raised the possibility - nay, the hypothesis! - that as a statistical matter biological differences may partially account for the disproportionately low number of women at the top ranks of science. In response, an activist feminist professor from MIT contracted a case of the vapors, and when she arose from her fainting couch she was on the "Today Show" complaining to a supportive Katie Couric about what a bigot Summers is. Fast forward from her Caf Vienna moment with Katie, through more groveling than Jake Blues offered to Carrie Fisher at the end of "The Blues Brothers," and we have the recent announcement that Summers will spend an additional 50 million of someone's tuition dollars over the next 10 years to atone for his - and Harvard's - alleged bigotry toward (just-as-smart-as-you-Mister-Man) female scientists.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20050624.shtml
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Main / girls smarter than boys...sheerman
Sep 24, 2005, 11:48 AM
Quote from: "lkanneg"
You gotta take both stuff like this, and stuff like the article appearing on a recent thread on SYG--

http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

with a grain of salt.  ;)


Well, I agree, but what about those who don't take it with a grain of salt and end up with 50 mil. $ in their pockets?
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Main / girls smarter than boys...sheerman
Sep 24, 2005, 11:06 AM
Quote from: "Darth Sidious"
Poking fun at the harpies who made Larry Summers grovel, eh?


Yeah, plus hoping that Mr. Summers gives me my 50m $ soon... well he better, or I just might faint again!!
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Main / Court: Man falsely accused cannot sue
Sep 24, 2005, 10:56 AM
Quote from: "SecondToDie"
The article doesn't say whether the police or prosecutors did anything to the girls.  They should have been charged for filing a false police report.


Also, they should burn in hell for all eternity. Starting today.
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Main / A rather unusual Photo
Sep 24, 2005, 10:49 AM
Stally, it's Berlin, Germany in 2003.
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Main / A rather unusual Photo
Sep 24, 2005, 03:05 AM


Wow, now this is a rather unusual sight, wouldn't you agree?

P.S.: Of course the white person holding up this sign is even more stupid.
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Main / Female Privilage Check List
Sep 24, 2005, 02:12 AM
Oh, how much I agree with the below

Quote from: "Factory"
iFeminist.com MAY have started out as a possible means to provide an egalitarian approach to relations between the sexes, but has for the entire time I have been there principally been a forum in which those with feminist viewpoints explain away and dissemble any possible responsibility feminism may have for societal ills facing us today.  


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Brian is a philosopher, and takes great pleasure in teling you which fallacy you have just espoused, all without addressing the issue.


Can't stand this guy. However, he changed from obnoxious to pathetic (in my book, at least), plain and simple, when he countered complaints about Bring your husband to Heel with examples of extreme bondage porn, saying that women are also portrayed like dogs (leashes used in S&M stuff) on TV. At that point I lost any, -even the smallest- motivation in actually replying to his posts.

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And for the record, while I applaud her articles on occasion, I am most definitely no fan of Wendy McElroy.


I liked ifeminists forum a couple of years ago. But now it really degenerated into something strange. Still visit now and then, but I find a lot more interersting stuff here and other places.
Wendy herself made some strange decisions which made me see her in a different light. It's not that I hate her or anything, I just don't understand her anymore...
For example, she posts this article about child support in THE (FEMINIST) GENERAL DISCUSSION forum and then finishes her post with "don't turn this thread into men vs. women issue again". Hey, we're talking about child support here, but you shouldn't point out men vs. women situation, well, what is then there to talk about?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Main / girls smarter than boys...sheerman
Sep 24, 2005, 12:53 AM
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girls smarter than boys


Uh oh, I almost fainted when I saw this one, if you catch my drift.
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Screaming and yelling by men at work may now be sex-based discrimination if women at work find the behavior more intimidating than men do. On September 2, 2005, in E.E.O.C. v. National Education Association, (No. 04-35029), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the "reasonable woman" standard applies to workplace abusive conduct, even if there is no sexual content to the behavior. This decision significantly expands the types of behaviors that may furnish a basis for a claim of discrimination.


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Different Effects of Abusive Conduct on Women and Men Equals Disparate Treatment

Under the "reasonable woman" standard devised in an earlier case, Ellison v. Brady, 924 F.2d 872 (9th Cir. 1991), the qualitative differences in the subjective and objective effects of the behavior are the way to determine whether men and women were treated differently. Because women found the behavior subjectively more intimidating than men did, and reasonable women would do so, the conduct treats women differently. That it may not have been the director's intent to treat women differently does not matter. What matters is the effect of the behavior, both subjectively, and objectively. While the court did not clearly differentiate the subjective from the objective, it took the extremity of the reactions of the plaintiffs to the director's behavior as evidence that the behavior was objectively more intimidating to women.One woman resigned; another filed a police report, a third did not put in for payment of overtime she worked because she was "too scared."


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Finally, the court's logic raises the question of whether the case would have come out the same way if the director engaging in the abusive behavior was a woman. Given one of the Ninth Circuit' remarks, perhaps not. The court said, "this case illustrates an alternative motivational theory in which an abusive bully takes advantage of a traditionally female workplace because he is more comfortable when bullying women than when bullying men."


More here
http://www.littler.com/nwsltr/asap_MaleTantrums_9_05.htm
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Main / Changing family demographics
Sep 23, 2005, 05:37 AM
One brief question: why femOnazi, why not femInazi?
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Main / More men on the leash
Sep 23, 2005, 04:56 AM
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Posters for Jerry Hall show deemed too sexy for the Tube
by Julia Pearlman Brand Republic 31 Aug 2005
Posters for Jerry Hall show deemed too sexy for the Tube


VH1: ad too saucy for the Tube

LONDON - London Underground has taken down posters promoting Jerry Hall's new show 'Kept' after Tube bosses decided images of the model with 12 semi-naked men on a dog leash was too saucy for commuters.


More at
http://www.brandrepublic.com/bulletins/media/article/492839/posters-jerry-hall-show-deemed-sexy-tube/
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Main / Female Privilage Check List
Sep 23, 2005, 02:05 AM
Quote from: "Sir Jessy of Anti"
Wow, great list!  I also second Celtic Druid.


You mean, you second Sir Percy. They have the same avatar and you've mistaken him for Celtic Druid.