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It's always someone elses fault.
incidentally this lady was from ron paul's hometown
good for her on winning the medal and showing bravery
Okay, so you will just homeschool your chillins....well, may be not:
Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Court's homeschool ban creating 'panic'
Ruling, if unchanged, could be used against tens of thousands
Posted: March 04, 2008
10:49 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
A ruling from an appeals court in California that a homeschooling family must enroll their children in a public school or "legally qualified" private school is alarming because of the way the court opted to order those results, according to a team of legislative analysts who have worked on homeschooling issues in California for decades.
The ruling, when it was released several days ago, sent ripples of shock through the homeschooling community.
WND has reported on the order handed down to Phillip and Mary Long over the education being provided to two of their eight children.
The decision from the 2nd Appellate Court in Los Angeles granted a special petition brought by lawyers appointed to represent the two youngest children after the family's homeschooling was brought to the attention of child advocates. The lawyers appointed by the state were unhappy with a lower court's ruling that allowed the family to continue homeschooling, and specifically challenged that on appeal.
Roy Hanson, chief of the Private and Home Educators of California, said the circumstances of the Long family left the court with the option of handling such a ruling for their particular circumstances in a juvenile court setting.
Normally in a dependency court action, they simply make a ruling that will affect that family. It accomplishes the same thing, meaning they would force [the family] to place their minor children into school," he said.
Such rulings on a variety of issues always are "done in the best interests of the child" and are not unusual, he said.
But in this case, the court said went much further, essentially concluding that the state provided no circumstance that allowed parents to school their own children at home. "We find no reason to strike down the Legislature's evaluation of what constitutes an adequate education scheme sufficient to promote the 'general diffusion of knowledge and intelligence.' We agree ... 'the educational program of the State of California was designed to promote the general welfare of all the people and was not designed to accommodate the personal ideas of any individual in the field of education,'" the ruling said.
Specifically, the appeals court said, the trial court had found that "keeping the children at home deprived them of situations where (1) they could interact with people outside the family, (2) there are people who could provide help if something is amiss in the children's lives, and (3) they could develop emotionally in a broader world than the parents' 'cloistered' setting."
Further, the appeals ruling said, California law requires "persons between the ages of six and 18" to be in school, "the public full-time day school," with exemptions allowed only for those in a "private full-time day school" or those "instructed by a tutor who holds a valid state teaching credential for the grade being taught."
Such a holding, if unchanged, could ultimately be used against the tens of thousands who currently are homeschooling in California by fulfilling the state's requirements to establish a private school in a home, and enrolling the family's children in that school, observers said.
For homeschoolers in California, Hanson said, "there may be everywhere from concern to panic, just based on not knowing what the [ultimate] results will be."
He said his group has worked to defeat similar arguments in the past, and because of those previous results, he wondered whether the court or the children's lawyers were pursuing some sort of "agenda" with the case.
"They either were trying to put on an agenda, or they were so frustrated they felt this was their only option," he said. But in either case, the decision is "not very sound."
The Home School Legal Defense Association, the world's premiere international advocacy organization for homeschoolers, emphasized that the ruling made no changes in California law regarding homeschooling at this time.
While the decision from the appeals court "has caused much concern among California homeschoolers," the HSLDA said, there are no immediate changes any homeschoolers need to address.
The group said it is looking at the background of the case to determine its "implications," and will be releasing its analysis soon.
The Longs earlier told WND they were considering an appeal to the state Supreme Court because of the impact of the order for their family, as well as the precedent that could be construed.
They have disputed with local officials over homeschooling and other issues for years, they said. In at least two previous decisions, courts affirmed their right to homeschool, they said.
The current case was brought by two attorneys who had been appointed by the state to represent the family's minor children in a dependency case stemming from accusations of abuse that resulted from the parents' decision to impose discipline on their children with spankings. The case actually had been closed out by the court as resolved when the lawyers filed their special appeal.
According to unpublished court documents, there also are in the past a series of other allegations that a family acquaintance molested one of the children as well as claims regarding physical punishment relating to one child's decision to disobey household rules about being out at night. Many of the allegations contained in the unpublished documents are, according to the court itself, disputed by different people involved.
But the results of the situation, until this point, always had been court rulings that affirmed the parents' right to homeschool their children.
Phillip Long told WND one of the early disputes arose some 15 years ago because his family was homeschooling with no "umbrella" organization. That's why the youngest children most recently had been working under an independent study program with Sunland Christian Academy, he said.
The court ruling, however, revealed a judicial dislike of that school, since the judges specifically ordered the children would not be allowed to participate in its programs.
Phillip Long also told WND his children had written to the court objecting to the attorneys' actions, without effect.
The appeals court words held echoes of similar ideas expressed by officials from Germany, where homeschooling has been outlawed since 1938 under a law adopted when Adolf Hitler decided he wanted the state, and no one else, to control the minds of the nation's youth.
Wolfgang Drautz, consul general for the Federal Republic of Germany, has said "school teaches not only knowledge but also social conduct, encourages dialogue among people of different beliefs and cultures, and helps students to become responsible citizens."
Phillip Long earlier told WND that he would be working on an appeal. He has re-confirmed that is one of his goals.
The appeals decision also rejected religious concerns.
The family's "sincerely held religious beliefs" are "not the quality of evidence that permits us to say that application of California's compulsory public school education law to them violates their First Amendment rights."
The father said he objects to the pro-homosexual, pro-bisexual, pro-transgender agenda of California's public schools, on which WND previously has reported.
"We just don't want them teaching our children," he told WND. "They teach things that are totally contrary to what we believe. They put questions in our children's minds we don't feel they're ready for.
"When they are much more mature, they can deal with these issues, alternative lifestyles, and such, or whether they came from primordial slop. At the present time it's my job to teach them the correct way of thinking," he said.
A number of groups already have assembled in California under the Rescue Your Child slogan to encourage parents to withdraw their children from the state's public school system.
It's because the California Legislature and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger worked together to establish Senate Bill 777 and Assembly Bill 394 as law, plans that institutionalize the promotion of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.
"First, [California] law allowed public schools to voluntarily promote homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality. Then, the law required public schools to accept homosexual, bisexual and transsexual teachers as role models for impressionable children. Now, the law has been changed to effectively require the positive portrayal of homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality to 6 million children in California government-controlled schools," said Thomasson.
Even insiders joined in the call for an abandonment of California's public districts. Veteran public school teacher Nadine Williams of Torrance said the sexual indoctrination laws have motivated her to keep her grandchildren out of the very public schools she used to support.
The Discover Christian Schools website reports getting thousands of hits daily from parents and others seeking information about alternatives to California's public schools.
WND reported leaders of the campaign called California Exodus say they hope to encourage parents of 600,000 children to withdraw them from the public districts this year.
The new law itself technically bans in any school texts, events, class or activities any discriminatory bias against those who have chosen alternative sexual lifestyles, said Meredith Turney, legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute.
There are no similar protections for students with traditional or conservative lifestyles and beliefs, however. Offenders will face the wrath of the state Department of Education, up to and including lawsuits.
"SB 777 will result in reverse discrimination against students with religious and traditional family values. These students have lost their voice as the direct result of Gov. Schwarzenegger's unbelievable decision. The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured," she said.
Karen England, chief of CRI, told WND that the law is not a list of banned words, including "mom" and "dad." But she said the requirement is that the law bans discriminatory bias and the effect will be to ban such terminology.
"Having 'mom' and 'dad' promotes a discriminatory bias. You have to either get rid of 'mom' and 'dad' or include everything when talking about [parental issues]," she said. "They [promoters of sexual alternative lifestyles] do consider that discriminatory."
The California plan still is facing a court challenge on its constitutionality and a possible vote of the people of California if an initiative effort succeeds.
That is interesting, Brian44.
I don't know your age or circumstances but you speak of decades so you must have some age on you.
I never felt harmed by feminism until my divorce but I have felt extremely harmed since that point.
I was shocked -- absolutely shocked -- at how I was treated.
I didn't feel harmed as a child or even a young adult.
I probably predated the worst abuses.
I graduated high school 1979.
I don't think these got really bad until the 1990s and after.
I'm in my 40s. My earliest memory of feminism was a programme about the redundancy of men, broadcast in the early 70s. There were aggressive feminist lesbians supporting the argument that women could one day reproduce without men, as only two X chromosomes were necessary. They spoke of a man-free utopia where all evil would be eradicated without men. It was a studio debate, with a lot of hatred towards men. As I was a boy at the time, I found it quite disturbing to think that there were women out there that didn't think I was needed, or even deserve to exist. This left a scar on me. I'm old enough to remember a time when women did need men and the media didn't take every opportunity to destroy our self image or confidence. I remember a time when women were feminine. And I also remember a time when I didn't get depressed watching films or programmes where my gender was ridiculed to sell products or appeal to women. BTW, I have been complaining about the negative stereotyping of men since the 80s. I think at the time, most men didn't actually notice what was going on and why they didn't feel as good about themselves. Nearly all of the men I spoke to about this agreed with me after watching the media from a new perspective.
Yes, feminism hurts boys; so much so that if it were within my power I would remove boys from the custody of feminist mothers.
its not for YOU to decide if he is unfit
in fact, given the qoute that TBQ attributed to you; you probably are an unfit mother
if you cant understand that not giving the father an oppurtunity for his day in court is denying due process, you would be better off in north korea
I like women's tennis because it has given me the oppurtunity to spend a lot of time in front of the TV lusting over serena williams
Quoteyou are under no obligation legally, or morally to let him see your child. if he wants to see him/her he will have to hire an attorney and serveYOU with papers. until a judge signs court papers you have full and sole custody of your child. so, if you don't want him involved make things as difficult as you can for him. give birth in a different state (you said you already live in another state than he, *good*), give the baby your last name, don't put him on the birth certificate, and DO[oops!]ENT EVERYTHING HE DOES that would prove he is an unfit father. i know from personal experience so please heed my advice.
Foldedintobeauty, your advice is recommending child abuse and if you have done this then you also committed child abuse. How dare you rip a father out of HIS child's life. That is right, HIS child, just as much as it is your child, or this woman who you are counceling. By denying these kids their fathers, you are dooming them to much higher rates of failure under every metric from education to drug use to promescuity to suicide risk. Nice job, mom. Way to get your child off to a great start.
Then what? When the child starts asking what happened to his/her father you say he wasn't interested and was a jerk? Dang. Way to really help these kids self-esteem. If a boy, he can have negative identification with half his genetic makeup, dooming him to hate himself and have no identity, and if a girl she can have long term issues with relationships and probably seek out men who cannot commit. Nice job, mom. Way to get your child off to a great start.
And we wonder why society is so messed up.
I think any mother (or father) who admits to doing these things needs to lose their kids to the other parent for at least a year. They do not deserve to be parents.
dang i'm not used to this type of forum. i guess i'll have to post more often to get better at it. yay.
sooooooooooooooooooo, no biological father can do no wrong in your eyes?
she said nothing of the sort
if the biological father is unfit, take it to the courts..........................you are denying a citizen due process by failing to do that
I voted Ron Paul
Thanks Libertariandadd for the heads up on Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect. Tigerman and I have had some fun with some posts there. We found a "live one" a 21yo? going by the name of foldedintobeauty.
that's really cute! now i know why you're so lame <3
According to "the ancient laws of combat" the person challanged is not deemed to be in dishonour if the person issueing challange does not even bat in his league.
If you are 21 then I have been debating and discussing these issues nearly twice as long as you have been alive.
I take it from your advice that you have a thing for bad boys.....well...niceguys ARE boring aren't they...
I always have to wonder about women who say thse sort of things...so why did she fuck him?
There are words and names for people who use children as hostages and expressions of animosity...they aren't very nice.
I wasn't even involved in this post topic here or on the YOUTUBE video that I recall. It must have been something I said elsewhere that made you interested in getting my attention.
Anyway....your challange is not accepted....you don't even bat in my league.