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Main / Panic rooms for Women.

Feb 23, 2006, 11:12 AM

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http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialcare/news/0,,1715209,00.html

Councils fund 'panic rooms' for domestic violence victims

Polly Curtis and Alison Benjamin
Wednesday February 22, 2006

Guardian

Councils all over the country are setting up "panic rooms" in private
homes to help women protect themselves from abusive partners, the
Guardian has learned.
The scheme to create high security rooms for women who have been
victims of domestic violence has been adopted by 120 local authorities
in England and 165 more are planning to follow suit, John Prescott's
office confirmed.

The council installs a solid door with mortice locks, steel hinges, bolts and a spy glass to transform a bedroom into a "sanctuary". Some women are offered intercom systems and barred windows. They are advised to lock themselves in the room and phone the police if an abusive partner turns up.

Any victim of domestic violence in a participating council area can apply for a panic room to be installed.
But some domestic violence campaigning groups say women are being
strong-armed into accepting the additional security measures to cut
councils' bills for rehousing them.

Deborah McIveen, the policy officer at Women's Aid, said: "Councils
have a statutory duty to protect people at risk but there is anecdotal
evidence from local Women's Aid projects across the country that women
are being given less of a choice than they should when it comes to
sanctuary schemes. They're being told the only option is security
measures, or years living in temporary accommodation.

"We're not against the scheme if women can make an informed choice And holistic support is provided."Previously most victims of domestic abuse who were driven from their homes by an abusive ex-partner would be offered temporary housing.Many local authorities are keen to cut their bill for temporary housing and meet targets to cut the number of people without a permanent home.
Barnet in north London was one of the first to introduce the scheme and
now 91 women in the borough have sanctuaries. Temporary housing costs the council £16,000 a year for each family compared with £1,000 for reinforcing a person's home.

Alvin Wade, Barnet's homelessness protection manager, said the council
had saved £600,000 under the scheme in the first year and higher savings were expected this year. Their research shows that 90% of women have backed the scheme.

A spokeswoman for John Prescott's office, said: "The idea is that women
can stay within their own homes rather than having to go into temporary
accommodation. It helps their children stay in their schools and prevents them having to run away. Sanctuaries are only used where it's the clear choice of the woman and safety can be guaranteed. Every case is looked at individually."

SocietyGuardian.co.uk © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006


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Main / Re: I really dont know what to think about this

Feb 22, 2006, 05:55 AM

http://jcsgirls.com/index.html

This is not a porn site. Its a christian ministry site and I really dont know what to think.

                              Mathew 9 v 10

10 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with Jesus and his disciples.

11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Teacher with the publicans and sinners?

12 But when he heard it, he said, They that are whole have no need of a physician, but they that are sick.

13 But go ye and learn what [this] meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

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Main / My Favorite Customer Died

Feb 20, 2006, 09:14 AM

Mary my heart goes out to you dear freind. I know you have a wonderful faith which has sustained you at these times of uncertainty.
Rest assured there is one above who was falsley accused to, who truly understands how you and T feel. My prayers and those of all your freinds  here will be with you to bare you up at this time.
Along with prayers for good health and prosperity I offer you my good will as you once did for me in my time of need....God Bless you MARY.

Rob.

Oh, Rob, I love you so.

I have no faith anymore - none at all.  I'm sorry.

I bet you have seen these words many times.  
           
                              Footprints.

http://www.llerrah.com/footprints.htm

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed
he was walking along the beach with the LORD.

Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand: one belonging
to him, and the other to the LORD.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.

He noticed that many times along the path of
his life there was only one set of footprints.

He also noticed that it happened at the very
lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he
questioned the LORD about it:

"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow
you, you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when
I needed you most you would leave me."

The LORD replied:

"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."

written by Mary Stevenson

These simple little words have sustained me many times.
I pray they will do they same for you..God Bless you and yours

Much Love Rob

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Main / Re: Thoughts on revitalizing the Million Man March

Feb 17, 2006, 03:41 PM

Since the Nation of Islam has all but abandoned this event (they only had one in 1995) it would be a perfect time to revitalize this event and make it what it should have been in the first place.

An event to discuss men's rights, and plights in today's society. It would however have to be made perfectly clear that the event would be open for ALL men. Not just black men as the 1995 event was sponsored as.

Please discuss...

That is a brilliant Idea.

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Main / Egg Thrower Released...

Feb 17, 2006, 03:20 PM

Message from Elaine:

Mike is now back at home. After his solicitor had a meeting with judge in chambers Mike was released with immediate effect. He has been given bail conditions to report to any police station every Wednesday between 10am and 4pm. Mike has asked me to say "THANK YOU" to everyone for their continued support to both him and myself, and to say that without YOU we wouldn't have the strength to do what we do. However we can't stop fighting now, lets keep this campaign in the public eye at every opportunity, I know we will lets hope you all do too. Mike's next court appearance is on Tues 28th Feb lets have a good solid show and give the police a reason for turning out in their hundreds. See you all soon.



... and from RFFJ:

New item on News Blog http://news.realfathersforjustice.org/

Parenting Rights Campaigner Serving Time Over Egg

REAL News
14th February 2006

Proud and defiant was the position taken by Real Fathers For Justice activist Mike Downes as he faced another two weeks in custody for smashing an egg on the head of Education Minister Ruth Kelly, after Magistrates in Trafford Court remanded him again pending a trial date on 28th February.

The three Magistrates and the CPS refused bail stating that they believed that Downes would breach any bail conditions they set.

Reasoned campaigner

The solicitor defending Downes, argued that the activities carried out by Mr Downes are not mindless or thoughtless acts of civil disobedience, and are part of well informed campaign. She detailed how Downes a hard working father whose son lives with him, had first hand experience many years earlier with the failing Family Court process when a Court Welfare Officer made recommendations that he be excluded from his children's lives.

Paedophiles working with children

It was later revealed that the CWO involved was a paedophile found guilty of child sex offences and removed from his post. The court heard how Downes had seen his own brothers' family life ruined whilst going through the same family justice system and how the education system headed by Ruth Kelly had also to date failed to honour his Parental Responsibility and the Court Orders stating he be informed of his children's education. This is a common feature running through the DfES in their handling of separated fathers, their rights and responsibilities.

Over egged custody

Defence went of to point out that the act of cracking an egg on someone's head does not meet the scale for a custodial sentence, and does not even compare to the most extreme end of the assault scale, yet the Magistrates refused to bail the parenting rights campaigner, preferring to incarcerate activist Downes for an equivalent sentence to that of a common criminal.

Defiant

Downes, who has been on remand at Strangeways Prison Manchester since the incident outside Salford Court on Monday 6th February, was escorted from the dock and told the court "One man brought Rome to a halt, his name was Spartacus!   I am Spartacus !!� . The response from the gallery packed with Real Fathers For Justice supporters was "No! I am Spartacus!�

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Main / Man Who Fathered 10 Kids Going To Prison For Non-Support

Feb 17, 2006, 07:40 AM

I don't know this man. I haven't even read most of these postings so I know less about him than most of you.

I do want to propose an alternative for him and others like him. He may not be a jack ass. He may just be stupid. I mean literally low IQ.

I met a man in jail just before Christmas. He was in jail for a drug offense. His mom hired me to try to get him out for Christmas. It was hopeless. He had too many things working against him.

Relevant here, he had five children by five different women. I looked in his eyes and it was like looking in the eyes of a confused puppy. This guy just didn't have a clue. He couldn't explain the facts leading to his present situation. He was literally lost in this world. There are people like this.

I spoke with his mother. I asked her why he had so many children by so many women. She said he kept losing his family. He wanted a family. Once one failed he would try again. He didn't realize the legal consequences of trying again and again and where it put him.

Possibly, his drug problem arose from his family and financial problems. I don't know. I did not see him as a bad individual. I saw him as a very confused less than intelligent person lost in a difficult world.

Now, there may be facts I don't know because I have no read all this. I just urge you to go a litle easy on this man. I know this if this was a woman most would go easier on her. I may be defending the devil but I don't want to demonize him based on what I know right now.

Zarby as usual you make some very good points bro.

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Main / Man Who Fathered 10 Kids Going To Prison For Non-Support

Feb 16, 2006, 11:33 PM

At first I wondered what this man did in his spare time?
Then it occured to me that none of these women must have been on the pill !
Who is irresponsible?

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Main / Organized boycott of westernized women?

Feb 16, 2006, 03:34 PM

I started my boycott a few years ago.

I believe alot of western societies have started as well.
I dont know the figures, but I would be interested to know the stats for the falling birthrates amongst couples in Western Europe.
The last I heard it was quite staggering.

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Main / Man Who Fathered 10 Kids Going To Prison For Non-Support

Feb 16, 2006, 03:11 PM

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=4507172

Man Who Fathered 10 Kids With Nine Women Going To Prison For Non-Support
Feb 16, 2006, 12:38 PM
     Deadbeat Dad Headed To Prison
     Latest WAVE Headlines

By David McArthur

(LOUISVILLE) -- The man who once agreed to abstain from sex to stay
out of jail is now headed to prison. Luther Crawford is a deadbeat dad
with a long list of kids and a long history in court. WAVE 3's David
McArthur reports.

Wheeled into court Wednesday as one of Louisville's worst delinquent
fathers, Jefferson Circuit Court Judge Thomas Wine held nothing back
during Crawford's sentencing for non-support.

"It seems to me, it's one thing to have one child, or two children or
even three children that you can't afford," Wine said. "But once you
realize you can't afford three children, then why would you want to
have six and seven more?" Wine asked.

Court records indicate Crawford has fathered at least 10 children with
nine different mothers. This specific case is about three kids owed
$150,000.

Among the moms in court Wednesday was Kandy Ford. Her daughter is now 17.

Referring to Crawford's request for leniency but his inability to
recall the names of some of his children, she addressed the judge in a
passionate plea to send Crawford to prison.

"You don't even know your child, and you want somebody to feel pity
for you?" Ford asked.

Crawford's attorney, Lindsey Scott, asked for probation partly because
Crawford, 53, is in poor health.

"Mr. Crawford has had two open heart surgeries," Scott said. "He's had
a stroke and he suffers from kidney failure."

Judge Wine denied probation and issued a four-year prison sentence,
but before imposing it, Wine had this to say to Crawford: "I remember
one time seeing a T-shirt saying 'anybody can be a father, it takes
somebody special to be a daddy.' And you have certainly failed that."

Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Kristen Poindexter was pleased with
the decision. "It sends a very strong message to the community," she
said. "This is a man who has never paid his child support and he
shouldn't be given probation because of it."

Outside of court Ford told us she's glad Crawford won't be getting out
of jail anytime soon. "I have fought for 17 years. I'm so proud I got
four years out of him, but anybody out there should realize kids come
first. They need parents -- not just one -- two."

Crawford already served one year in prison. Wednesday's sentence is an
additional four years. But even after he gets out, he still owes
hundreds of thousands of dollars in back child support payments.

And while he may be among the worst deadbeat dads, the sad fact is
there are thousands more like him.

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Main / My Favorite Customer Died

Feb 16, 2006, 07:39 AM

Mary my heart goes out to you dear freind. I know you have a wonderful faith which has sustained you at these times of uncertainty.
Rest assured there is one above who was falsley accused to, who truly understands how you and T feel. My prayers and those of all your freinds  here will be with you to bare you up at this time.
Along with prayers for good health and prosperity I offer you my good will as you once did for me in my time of need....God Bless you MARY.

Rob.

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Main / PRESS RELEASE........... REAL F4J

Feb 16, 2006, 07:26 AM

Dont know if you have seen this....


New item on News Blog    http://news.realfathersforjustice.org/

Parenting Rights Campaigner Serving Time Over Egg
REAL News
14th February 2006

Proud and defiant was the position taken by Real Fathers For Justice
activist Mike Downes as he faced another two weeks in custody for cracking
an egg on the head of Education Minister Ruth Kelly, after Magistrates in
Trafford Court remanded him again pending a trial date on 28th February.

The three Magistrates and the CPS refused bail stating that they believed
that Downes would breach any bail conditions they set.

Reasoned campaigner

The solicitor defending Downes, argued that the activities carried out by Mr
Downes are not mindless or thoughtless acts of civil disobedience, and are
part of well informed campaign. She detailed how Downes a hard working
father whose son lives with him, had first hand experience many years
earlier with the failing Family Court process when a Court Welfare Officer
made recommendations that he be excluded from his children's lives.

Paedophiles working with children

It was later revealed that the CWO involved was a paedophile found guilty of
child sex offences and removed from his post. The court heard how Downes had
seen his own brothers' family life ruined whilst going through the same
family justice system and how the education system headed by Ruth Kelly had
also to date failed to honour his Parental Responsibility and the Court
Orders stating he be informed of his children's education. This is a common
feature running through the DfES in their handling of separated fathers,
their rights and responsibilities.

Over egged custody

Defence went of to point out that the act of cracking an egg on someone's
head does not meet the scale for a custodial sentence, and does not even
compare to the most extreme end of the assault scale, yet the Magistrates
refused to bail the parenting rights campaigner, preferring to incarcerate
activist Downes for an equivalent sentence to that of a common criminal.

Defiant

Downes, who has been on remand at Strangeways Prison Manchester since the
incident outside Salford Court on Monday 6th February, was escorted from the
dock and told the court "One man brought Rome to a halt, his name was
Spartacus!   I am Spartacus !!� . The response from the gallery packed
with Real Fathers For Justice supporters was "No! I am Spartacus!�

http://www.realfathersforjustice.org


"Coming together is a beginning,
  Keeping together is progress,
  Working together is success."
  Henry Ford

  All good  parents must fight against the anti -family government that
exists in Gods own. We must do this as only parents can teach children
boundaries.
  In solidarity -dad4justice

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Main / A plea from sparticus. Please Help.

Feb 15, 2006, 08:10 AM

I sent one in, but doubt they will print it.

If they print Georges they will print yours Lol
It takes about an hour to come up, one of mine took a day...
Isnt there alot of sparticus's around Manchester LOL

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Main / Knife Block Action Group.

Feb 15, 2006, 08:06 AM

Want to see one Zarby this is what someone sent me to put on my blog?

http://maletalk.blogspot.com/2006/01/all-men-are-bastards-knife_113619448598827378.html

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Main / Some replies..

Feb 15, 2006, 07:58 AM

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/204/204532_egg_attack_case_remand_.html

Recently a man was found not guilty at the Central Criminal Court in London for murdering his step-daughter. When he was released he was set upon by three women who punched, kicked and abused him. This happened in front of a huge contingent of police officers, press and members of the public. NONE OF THOSE WOMEN WERE ARRESTED. Now we have a case of a man throwing an egg at a female who has been responsible for allowing paedophiles to work in schools with children (It beggars belief!) and who is one of those responsible for keeping fathers from their kids for ideological reasons and he is instantly jailed! When people wake up to what is going on in this country -- how their families are being deliberately destroyed by the radical feminist influence in schools, government, Uni's, councils and the media and so on -- I hope they will stand up and say that they are not going to allow it any more. If they do not, then they will only have themselves to blame as family and therefore, social order, breaks down. The fury and rage we are seeing in this country among men and fathers is reflected all around the world and the Internet is a mirror of that rage. This incident is just another case of a man pushed too far and the State coming down heavy to try and deter others. They did the same to the suffragettes who burnt down buildings, smashed windows in the House Of Commons, poured acid over golf greens, slashed works of art etc. You cannot expect to steal a mans family and expect him to lie down and take it. Anyone who does think like that is living in cloud cuckoo land.
George Rolph, London
15/02/2006 at 14:10
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This is an outrage. The system is proving how biased it is in its reaction to this so called crime. This man is a hero, and there are people all over the world watching this case and rooting for the underdog. I hope the court realizes that it is the one with egg on its face-the court is fooling no one.
Jen Kuhn, USA
15/02/2006 at 13:39
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This is typical of a pro feminist Judiciary. WAKE UP history is being recorded... Spartacus
Sparticus, Chester
15/02/2006 at 13:25
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This is just ludicrous! A decent caring father throws an egg at a minister and he is incarcerated in Strangeways for three weeks! Ministers hurl hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers monies in the form of munitions into Afghanistan, Iraq and whoever is next in the queue - and they are still in office. This is despite the majority of population being against waging an illegal war. The ruling elite appear to be the greatest danger to Britain at the moment with their continued destruction of nuclear families and family life, a pandemic of political propaganda pumped out in the media 24 hours a day, having us believe we are lucky to have survived another day! The continual undermining of men with misinformation leading the public to beleive all men are violent child abusers. It is time the ordinary people put a stop to this madness - it is just a matter of time before writing a complaint in a newspaper will lead you to a holiday in Strangeways.
I M Sparticus, Warrington
15/02/2006 at 13:24
..............................................

"Downes, a painter and decorator, denies one charge of common assault with beating. He was remanded in custody until February 28. " The lad has a job and is remanded for a trivial charge....meanwhile...all over the rest of Greater Manchester persistant burglars and thieves are bailed.
Steve Williams, Stockport
15/02/2006 at 12:26
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I don??TMt care what people say about throwing eggs and whether in your own moral opinion it is a violent act or not. Regardless of people own views and how far they??TMd go to expose an inept MP or party Policy, the fact remains that throwing an egg at someone does not qualify for a custodial sentence, and Mike D should have bailed. This is yet another example of the system taking on the easy targets, and trying to silence the growing visual pain and anger of Britain??TMs fathers. Sorry but locking one dad up for campaigning for children and fathers rights to have a relationship will do more to fuel the anger than quell it. As a taxpaying member of the public I think it is abhorrent that a peaceful campaigning activist who fights for such a worthy cause is being locked up with hardened criminals and drug dealers for trying to expose the failings of this Government, and their family and education policies. I salute the Kernel for his personal sacrifice and braving incarceration for his beliefs.
A_UK_DAD, Sale, Manchester
15/02/2006 at 11:30
................................................................

The justice system again eh? If it was a prank on someone who wasnt a minister, would all this fuss and waste of public money be spent on it? Think not. The CPS (Criminal Protection Service) cant bring a case against yobs, killers, rapist, armed robbers etc, etc, etc. But they can get it right when someone throws an egg? Beyond belief.
Fixit, Middleton
15/02/2006 at 11:27
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A General comment here there was no mention the only reason he was remanded, was because they said he broke his bail condition by throwing the egg. His bail conditions were only to appear at court for a previous demonstration. His words that he said at the end ring true "I'm Sparticus" and then after the same came from around the viewing gallery. Sparticus
Sparticus, Stockton-on-tees
15/02/2006 at 10:56
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Come on!! Common Assault with beating??? It was an egg for god sake, done by many thousands of school children every year. This was a high publicity stunt by the Real Fathers For Justice and it has got all of that. I am surprised no one has reported that the accused stood up in court after being remanded again and shouted, "I am spartacus" and reply from 30+ supporters in the public gallery returned with, " NO! I am spartacus". get real CPS, drop the case, stop wasting money, and save yourself a lot of money.....
Mike, Manchester
15/02/2006 at 10:40
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Happy to lock up an 'egg throwing terrorist' whilst letting the real thing roam the streets. Pathetic.....
Bez, Moston
15/02/2006 at 10:25
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Remanded in custody....is that sick or what ? You can run down kids, not stop and be bailed to appear when caught (sometimes)..does this not show how crazy this system is. Bring back the stocks then we can all pelt Kelly, Blair and Brown and clones legally.
Tubby Scruff, Lost in the Nanny State
15/02/2006 at 09:35


http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/204/204532_egg_attack_case_remand_.html

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Main / Knife Block Action Group.

Feb 15, 2006, 07:22 AM

Thank you , friend .
BTW I did complain to the sellers of this rubbish , they couldn't care less .
Maybe the police ought to be involved ? It is ,quite clearly an incitement to murder

Believe me ..George has tried everything!
I have seen the e/amails... police, government.
The church, I have tried myself, to no avail.
This is a last ditch attempt to stop this nasty little gadget..
I will not give up.