About the Debian women Post.

[Patriot]

Dr. Evil
Said

Patriot - Posting long posts from people who have been banned here is very suspect. I don't feel like being a repository for hateful crap such as this. This board is about discussion of issues. If you want to discuss things fne. Looks to me that you just want to stir up shit.

Thread closed.

In my defense, I had no idea that this individual, had been banned from this board, I found the link over at MND, and followed it from there.

I found the letter slightly amusing, as to this individuals Anger, which is probably arrived at rightfully.

Like wise, that does not mean the I endorse Killing Women, or Hating them or what have you.

Individuals should be judged on the bases of their actions, and this goes for women as well as men.

Sorry for any inconvenience that this might have caused your board.

[Mik3_D]

:roll:

Lighten up guys. Jeez.

[Sir Jessy of Anti]

Yeah, I mean that script kiddie has a few programs.


The problem is they don't do anything.  Now, do you want me to bitch slap this yahoo with some serious female talent?  Yeah.  They'd make his penis shrivel.

Women can be as good as you.  That doesn't mean they all are, but you have to deal with those who are or might be.

[devia]

"death to womans's freedoms" amuses you?

[TheManOnTheStreet]

no not really Devia.  What amises me is the constant whining about it... as if it actually is true.  

TMOTS

[The Gonzman]

"death to womans's freedoms" amuses you?

It amuses me because that is real misogyny, rather than the "You disagreed with me, one of your natural mistresses?!?!?!  How dare you!  Misogynist!" variety most usually encountered.

[Patriot]

Devia Said

"death to womans's freedoms" amuses you?

Ok maybe we should rephrase it.
Death to the Women's /Feminist and associated Hate Movements.

Death the Feminist ability/freedom to accomplish their goals.

Is that more to your liking.

[devia]

Why would rephrasing it make the meaning behind it any different.

Sure it sounds better, decoded into PC speak.  The original meaning still stands yes?

[Malakas]

Quibble, quibble, quibble....

Why do we keep on harping about this 'freedom' thing? Men and women both enjoy the priveleges that are accorded to them as the price of their subservience. It's a contract. Freedom is not a right, it's an illusory temptation. Accept that or jump off a cliff - then you'll demonstrate that you are truly free. If that's what you want.

What western feminists never understand is that men retain a primaevel freedom to walk away from situations that don't suit them. It doesn't make them free and it probably makes them outcasts, but it's still a unique option and a very powerful one. Many men choose it despite the huge emotiional and financial cost because they still yearn for 'freedom'.

Curtailing freedom is what western governments are all about. Freedom is far too dangerous. In the name of freedom we supress freedom. It's too hard to control. 'Pretend' freedom is much better.

[Fidelbogen]

Why would rephrasing it make the meaning behind it any different.

Sure it sounds better, decoded into PC speak.  The original meaning still stands yes?

Devia, I cannot make heads or tails out of this.... :?

However...I think that you have already answered your own question.

You ask:"Why would rephrasing it make the meaning behind it any
different(?)."

The answer is: Rephrasing it would make the meaning behind it different
precisely by making the meaning behind it different.

Sounds...almost....tautological, does it not?

I mean, what the hey, words are powerful -- and when you change
words, you change meanings.

Now look again at what Patriot wrote, and you will plainly see that in
the present case the meaning is indeed different. VERY different. The
original meaning does not still stand, no.

And it was not "decoded". It was replaced by an entirely different
sentiment altogether.

As for your reference to "PC speak"...er....that too escapes me. Honestly,
I don't see what "PC speak" you are referring to. I see nothing like
"PC speak" anywhere in the vicinity.... :?

[Fidelbogen]

Freedom is not a right, it's an illusory temptation..... Freedom is far too dangerous. In the name of freedom we supress freedom. It's too hard to control. 'Pretend' freedom is much better.

Robert Frost once said: "Freedom means being easy in the harness."

Hands down, the best definition of 'freedom' I have ever heard!

[Patriot]

Sure it sounds better, decoded into PC speak. The original meaning still stands yes?

Ok!
I see Im going to have to spell it out for you.

devia :shock:
   
I   D-o   N-o-t    S-u-p-p-o-r-t    F-e-m-i-n-i-s-m.

D-o    Y-o-u    S-u-p-p-o-r-t    F-e-m-i-n-i-s-m?

Does that make it clear for you.

[hansside]

Robert Frost once said: "Freedom means being easy in the harness."

Hands down, the best definition of 'freedom' I have ever heard!

This definition is too loose for me - a carte blanche for the nanny state.

For me, freedom is absence of coercion.

[Fidelbogen]

Robert Frost once said: "Freedom means being easy in the harness."

Hands down, the best definition of 'freedom' I have ever heard!

This definition is too loose for me - a carte blanche for the nanny state.

For me, freedom is absence of coercion.

When the day is done, we must all live with a "harness" of one kind
or another. Why, the universe itself imposes one for starters. (Yeah,
gettin' metaphysical there!)

Preaching "freedom" to idiots is just the thing I would do if I were a
nanny-state future builder. I would preach freedom (or hire someone
else to do the preaching for me, more likely!) and wait for the predictable
entropic outcome when the idiots got their taste of "freedom"...and
started clamoring for more and more of it!

Then I would clamp down with my nanny-state "harness" that would
really take away their "freedom"....and reduce them to the
status of children. Which was my plan all along, of course....

And all because those "idiots" were bereft of the wise philosophical
adulthood to embrace their OWN harnesses voluntarily, and make
the necessary comfort adjustments.

Being a wise philosophical adult, I can preach to myself. I don't need
anyone preaching to me -- be it pulpit, parliament, or otherwise.

Yep, coercion is the thing to avoid. Other than coercion from the
universe and its various "laws". Nobody is lucky enough to escape THAT.

[hansside]

Preaching "freedom" to idiots is just the thing I would do if I were a
nanny-state future builder. I would preach freedom (or hire someone
else to do the preaching for me, more likely!) and wait for the predictable
entropic outcome when the idiots got their taste of "freedom"...and
started clamoring for more and more of it!

Then I would clamp down with my nanny-state "harness" that would
really take away their "freedom"....and reduce them to the
status of children. Which was my plan all along, of course....

And all because those "idiots" were bereft of the wise philosophical
adulthood to embrace their OWN harnesses voluntarily, and make
the necessary comfort adjustments.

Being a wise philosophical adult, I can preach to myself. I don't need
anyone preaching to me -- be it pulpit, parliament, or otherwise.

Yep, coercion is the thing to avoid. Other than coercion from the
universe and its various "laws". Nobody is lucky enough to escape THAT.

I could not agree more. Great post!