Heterosexual

Started by realman, Jul 03, 2006, 12:43 PM

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realman

A few thoughts occurred to me recently:

If a woman hates men, is it possible for her to be heterosexual?

If a woman thinks male genitalia are "ugly", "offensive", "dirty", or "funny looking", is it possible for her to be heterosexual?

If a woman likes the idea of dismembered male genitalia, thinks it's funny, or thinks there are times when it's "justified", is it posible for her to be heterosexual?

If a woman thinks men "owe her", is it possible for her to feel genuine love for a man? Or will she therefore always view men only through the filter of "what has he done for me?"

If a woman thinks she's heterosexual, but hates men and thinks the penis is a vile organ and should be mutilated (or at least, it's ok if it gets mutilated), is it possible for her to be really psychologically f*cked up?


Makes for some interesting thought....


On a related note, if a woman is the type who gives a guy dirty looks and calls him a "pig" for just looking at her "the wrong way", is said guy at all in the wrong if he calls her a "dyke" back? Or to put it another way, is a woman who thinks all sexually functioning heterosexual males are "pigs" capable of being a sexually functioning heterosexual female?

Thinking about it this way I'm starting to realize more about another aspect of the "hows and whys" of why so many women are insecure, unstable, confused, hypocritical, etc. They are in an emotional, psychological, physiological, and sexual tug of war with themselves over how they feel about men.

(ironically- or perhaps not!- these same women seem to have created an internal conflict for men as well- the dichotomy of feeling physical/sexual attraction to a group of people (women) who are otherwise in so many cases a complete turnoff)

whome112

It all depends on the "how" of the hate, now doesn't it?

If the woman thinks of all males as biological cash machines --ATM's with legs-- that is hateful, but not the type of hate which would in any way stop her from being heterosexual. I think this form of hate (and its many sisters) is quite common. These women hate men and yet are sexually attracted to males.

Studies are increasingly showing that most (by a slim margin) females think it is their right to be violent to the man in their life: These women can laugh at a male victim sex assault of the most violent sort and yet are still heterosexual women. These are the Oprah and Dr Phil women; this sort of women makes up a goodly proportion of those audiences.

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Daymar

Hate is based on an opinion so there shades to it.

But if a woman completely despises men then it would be pretty hard for her to be hetero. That's what all the radical lesbians are.

devia

It's interesting.

It seems to me like women who hate men in general do the lesbian thing, while the oppposite (in general again) still wants women for sex. SOMETIMES men say they don't hate women because they want them for sex, if you hate the brain but want the body that's still hatred.

I beleive there are a lot of what I call "political lesbians" out there.  Imo if they stick to there own and keep their mouths shut regarding public policy men are oviously better off without them.

The opposite, if they use the services of prositutes and or women who have the expectation (bar sluts etc.) of being used there is also no harm done.

Both groups have underlying reasons for their hatred. Much like a person who was mugged by a black guy thinking all black guys are thugs. Doesn't make it a good reason.

hansside

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Both groups have underlying reasons for their hatred. Much like a person who was mugged by a black guy thinking all black guys are thugs. Doesn't make it a good reason.


The hate is caused not reasoned. There can never really be reason for hate, because hate is irrational.

I agree that men seem to be more hardwired sexually than women.

typhonblue

"Still wants women for sex."

How is this different then, "still wants women for companionship."

As much as they dress it up with feminist rhetoric about "using women for sex" or "exploiting women sexually" it ultimately boils down to "I hate women but--I still need them."

Men in our society cannot be truly misogynist. They need women for too much. Even as they hide behind "exploiting" women (while engaging in a completely mutual act of affection) which is really a womanist fiction created by Christians and expounded upon by feminists... they are still attached to women, they still need them.

Daymar

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It seems to me like women who hate men in general do the lesbian thing, while the oppposite (in general again) still wants women for sex.


Well then the men you're referring to obviously don't despise women as much and they're not the opposite of feminist lesbians.

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devia

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"Still wants women for sex."

How is this different then, "still wants women for companionship."


Is sex the same thing as companionship?

Lost me there.

typhonblue

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"Still wants women for sex."

How is this different then, "still wants women for companionship."


Is sex the same thing as companionship?

Lost me there.


Maybe I have a different perspective on the issue.

1 hour talking == companionship

1 hour cuddling == companionship

1 hour sexual activity != companionship?

I, personally, think that spending X amount of time in intimate relations with another person (talking, cuddling, sex) is companionship.

devia

That kinda misses my point doesn't it?

If a man doesn't like women but hires a woman for sexual gratification do you really think he's going to pay for an hour of cuddling and another hour just to talk?

Not the same thing dude, a guy who wants those extra hours wants to be around a female brain (see my first post).

typhonblue

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That kinda misses my point doesn't it?

If a man doesn't like women but hires a woman for sexual gratification do you really think he's going to pay for an hour of cuddling and another hour just to talk?

Not the same thing dude, a guy who wants those extra hours wants to be around a female brain (see my first post).


Apparently there *are* men who pay prostitutes just to have someone to talk to who won't judge them or demand things from them.

And I think you're missing my point. Sex is an aspect of intimacy which *is* companionship in action.

There may be people who think they can seperate the two just like there are people who apparently can socialize with others they don't like because those others provide something for them(status, material goods, etc.)

But, I'll go with your belief system for a moment, what is sex if it isn't the most intimate way to spend time with another person?

devia

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But, I'll go with your belief system for a moment, what is sex if it isn't the most intimate way to spend time with another person?


Thats pretty darn female of you. Sometimes sex is just sex. If it wasn;t then there would be no market for dildo's, real dolls, crack whores etc.

Daymar

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Thats pretty darn female of you. Sometimes sex is just sex. If it wasn;t then there would be no market for dildo's, real dolls, crack whores etc.


And how satisfying do you think men think those are? Why does a woman who is good looking and clean and provides GFE (girlfriend experience) cost several hundred dollars at a minimum but a crackwhore costs 50 or less?

From reading the review boards, the only time I've seen men pretty much just want sex with an expensive escort they call it a PSE (pornstar experience) but they almost always mention that they just wanted to fulfill some fantasies and/or they include the fact the escort is more PSE then GFE, as if it's a negative, eg. she was distant or detached.

By the way, dildos are generally used by females aren't they?

realman

Interesting dialogue this generated, although it did stray abit from my original thoughts... which were basically about how dysfunctional and screwed up the whole "hetero feminist" paradigm can be, and how it likely has broad-reaching and deep-running psychological implications (that whole "I want a man to love me and I want to have sex with men, but I hate men and think they're pigs" dichotomy. I still don't see how a woman can really be sexually attracted to the male gender if she hates that geneder, hates it's sexuality, hates its sex organs, etc. Given that some women find the male body directly arousing, while others have little good to say about the male body at all, I tend to think those women who do not acknowledge an attraction to the male form yet insist they are heterosexual are probably grappling with their internal psychological sex war. Sometimes it is brushed aside as women not being a attracted to or aroused by a man's appearance... but there is far too much evidence otherwise, and far too many women who get turned on by the male form, for me to beleive that not having a sexual response to an attractive male body is a woman's natural state.

Likewise, when a woman despises (or "tells herself" she despises) male sexuality, male sexual advances, male sex organs, etc.- how can she be a healthy functioning heterosexual female? I don't think it's possible to be psychologically "healthy" in this state of "I hate it but I want it"- too much confusion, denial, repression, etc. which probably manifests itself as insecurity, anxiety, depression, anger, etc. Which just becomes another log on the fire of the widespread female psychological distress that has already been commented on numerous times here at SYG.

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