3yr-olds to be taught about gay relationships

[ghost]

Strangedisk, do you think 3 years old is an acceptable age for children to learn about the mechanics of homosexuality?

[The Gonzman]

Hey look!  Another left-bashing, hate-by-any-possible-justification-at-all thread with no bearing whatsoever on men's rights (except in the sense of being anti-male, if the male happens to be gay)!  Wow, who would have thunk it!

Well, sorry your good buddies on the left are all cozy and snuggled up to the pro-feminazi, anti-male, anti-family agenda.

Guess you have a choice to make.  Good luck with that.

[The Gonzman]

Try to imagine a world without what you think are the three main Left-inspired accomplishments. See if you can find anything positive in Left-thinking. Ask a Leftie if need be.

Let's see.  That would be:

Fascist, totalitarian governmental forms (Yes, Hitler was a National SOCIALIST - left wing)

Political Correctness.

Feminism and the Mommy State.

Hmmm.  Sounds close to a paradise to me.

[rph3664]

Strangedisk, do you think 3 years old is an acceptable age for children to learn about the mechanics of homosexuality?

My answer:  No, and I think that article came from The Onion or some other satirical source.

[rph3664]

Strangedisk, do you think 3 years old is an acceptable age for children to learn about the mechanics of homosexuality?

My answer:  No, and I think that article came from The Onion or some other satirical source.

[The Gonzman]

Why do I care about this?  Because, frankly, many threads on this board make it look like a left-bashing board, as opposed to a men's rights board.  Men's rights is a human issue, not specifically an issue of any particular political leaning.  

Bullshit.  It is time to grow up.

Fact of the matter is, feminists are driving the bus on the vast majority of "Left" issues.  They are not only seated at the table, they are seated at the head of the table with a virtual veto power over the agenda - AT LEAST.

You don't like it?  I can sympathize.  It's one of the reasons I won't give the left's agenda a second look; when they come out with one of their pronouncements, I can generally count on it that there will be some smug, pious Feminazi standing on the podium nodding approval, if not making the announcement.

So - clean your house.  But don't blame anyone else for pointing out that it is unfit to live in.  You let the bitches move in and trash the place, it is your problem, and your fault.

Since men's issues boards are so rare, StandYourGround is one of the few places men (and women) can go to talk about issues like this.  And if it reads like a left-bashing board, it alienates everyone but the extreme right.  Alienating the very men who this board exists for is in fact, a true men's rights issue.

I have said it before - I will say it again: If someone is going to put their politics above the issue of Men's Rights, they are not much of an ally.

For some reason, this is a real problem with left  wingers.

Go figure.

As to fathers, still not convinced that this topic has anything to do  specifically with fathers as opposed to parents or just people in general.

It's very easy to find, once you get past the embarassment caused by your political allies.

What "New Family Type" is glaing in its CONSTANT omission by your pals?

Like it or not, reality check:  You, as a man, and probably a white man, are the new nigger when it comes to your good, left wing, buddies.  You want to stay on dat ol' plantation, and talk about how Massa Missy ain''t so bad, she don't beat you dat offen, and she sho nuf be pow'ful mad she find you talking wid us troublymakin' darkies, well, Ise don't know what to tell you.

[The Gonzman]

double post

[ghost]

It's not from the Onion, there is a url in the OP.

[strangedisk]

Strangedisk, do you think 3 years old is an acceptable age for children to learn about the mechanics of homosexuality?

No I don't.

[BRIAN]

Do you change your philosophy every time someone who purports to have the same philosophy acts like an ass?  There's nothing in the core left philosophy which is anti-male.

Strangedisk,

I do not change my philosophy because I am smart enough to know what my philosophy is and to kow the difference between it and something diametricaly opposed to it is. The people on the left always spout off about civil liberties and freedom and yet most left leaning political groups in the U.S.A. are for biger government, more governmental control of business and comerece, gun control, limiting free speach though political correctness laws and movements, socialist wealth re-distribution and abdication of U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. All of those things mean LESS freedom rather than more freedom and yet those on the left side of the isle can't see it because they have let a few obfuscate the issues and change the meanings of words. If you can't see that this is directly about abrogating the rights of the parrents in general and FATHERS in particular as to what their chldren can be taught as RIGHT AND WRONG then you are stuck on stupid and I can't help you. More than that if you can't see this as an incrimental attempt to drestroy the traditional Mother\FATHER family and thus take yet more rights away from men then you just can't see the forest through all the trees.

[strangedisk]

Why do I care about this?  Because, frankly, many threads on this board make it look like a left-bashing board, as opposed to a men's rights board.  Men's rights is a human issue, not specifically an issue of any particular political leaning.  

Bullshit.  It is time to grow up.

Bullshit -- so which part is bullshit?  That I care about it?  That this board looks like a left-bashing board?  That men's rights is a human issue?  What?

Seriously, Gonzokid, this "friend of my enemy" stuff of yours is getting old.

If The Left (the political machine that the FEMS influence) has lost its bearings and philosophy, then its my job as one of "the left" to point that misandry is directly 180 degrees opposed to the values that we (the left) traditionally hold dear.

This willing refusal on your part to separate what a politican does and the philosophy they proclaim from others who proclaim the same philosophy (as in The Left and even to some point feminists) is biased, as you don't seem to have any trouble making the distinction for The Right and conservatives.

In light of this bias, the (admittedly indirect) accusation that I "put my politics above the issue of Men's Rights" is in fact, pure hypocrisy.

As for my deeply held beliefs, which are "left" (liberal) in their nature, no amount of "leaders" proclaiming them while shitting all over them is going to make me change my mind about the beliefs, as it shouldn't.

[Rob]

Sigh... obviously this thread is more interesting when we talk about left bashing... far be it from me to go against the grain of the populace  :wink:

The problem with the left is that EVERYTHING IS LEFT!

Take the last election we had here in Canada. Suddenly the issue was Universal Government Funded Daycare. (Where this came up from I don't know, the election before it was Gay marriage - where that came from??? There was no public outcry until the candidates brought this stuff up)

Anyway, so now the issue is State Funded Daycare to give aid to the burgeoning financial troubles parents have in paying for daycare. (Why don't we just say "single-moms" all together, shall we?).

Now we have 3 Major Parties in Canada:

NDP (Far Left): Lets have State Funded Daycare and damn the torpedos with the tax dollars and lets fund the hell out of it

Liberal Party (Middle Ground): Lets have State Funded Daycare and copy the NDP Plan and fund the hell out of it

Conservative Party (Right Wing): Lets give $100 to each household for every child under 6 and let the families see fit whether to spend it on daycare or to subsidize having a parent stay at home.

- Don't you see? They're all fucking left! Where's the party that says "Screw That!" No money to spent on this stupid shit! Where's the party that represents ROB'S views? Where the party that says if we agree to subsidize daycare with a state funded check of $100/child - we've put state funded daycare on the government's agenda and it will happen now withing 10 years anyway?

Where's the party that represents my RIGHT WING view that says "DON'T SPEND ANYMORE OF MY TAX DOLLARS ON THIS SHIT! JUST SAY NO!" If you can't afford to have kids, don't have so many of them, have an abortion, put it up for adoption, or STAY MARRIED. Rob's tax dollars shouldn't fund this shit!!! We've had the left force feed abortion down our throats so no-one is FORCED to have an child. So tough, Rob says, shit or get off the pot, don't ask me to subsidize YOUR kids expenses and set up another black hole for tax dollars and for propagating politically corrected thinking down the throats of the nation's children.

There IS NO RIGHT WING! It is non existent. We are only given the choice of society proceeding further to the left by 75%, 50% or 25% more than we already are.

All government can go to hell. They are all leftist pigs. And nobody, not even the "right" seems intelligent enough to point out that just because the government makes this service available "for free", nothing the government implements is anywhere close to free.

:evil:

[BRIAN]

As for my deeply held beliefs, which are "left" (liberal) in their nature, no amount of "leaders" proclaiming them while shitting all over them is going to make me change my mind about the beliefs, as it shouldn't.

Okay Strangedisk what are those beliefs? Spell them out for me because I wan't to know what they are.

I will go first and tell you mine so we are on a level field.

1) The world needs more freedom, democratic republics and free market economic systems.

2) People need to have a big warm cup of mind your own business.

3) People need the right to keep and bear arms. An armed society is a free and polite society.

4) Taxes need to be lower. No country in the history of the earth has ever taxed its population into prosperity, ther have been several that have taxed themselves out of existance though.

5) The law should apply to everyone equally there should be no exceptions to due process or equal prtection clauses.

6) Freedom of speach should be freedom of speach for everyone.

7) Schools should teach not indoctrinate.

8 ) The founding fathers were not just "Stupid White Guys" they gave the world the best representative republican form of government it has ever seen. The concept of a Constitution that limits Governmental power and places freedom in the hands of the people is was unheard of in human history prior to 1787. So lets teach kids about them in school and make them READ the Consititution and Bill of Rights so they know what is in them.

9)Government needs to be smaller and less intrusive to our personal lives. I am anti-abortion but if an adult woman wants one and can pay for it herself let her(see the mind your own business part above) just don't ask me to pay for it via my tax money.

10) There needs to be a Contitutional limit on the ammount of time a politician can serve in Congress. We term limited Presidents for fear of abuse of executive power we should do the same for fear of abuse of legislative power too. God knows Randy Cunningham and William Jefferson have showed us which branch is more likely to abuse it's power.

[strangedisk]

Strangedisk,

Do you think you could oblige by keeping this thread on topic or starting a new thread to address your concerns?

Thanks

As requested, I have created a new thread for this issue.  I will reply to any off-topic political stuff in that thread, and only reply to specifically homosexuality-as-a-subject-in-schools stuff in this thread.

It's here:

http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10400&highlight=

[Rob]

The thing that bothers me when people argue that "we must do this or that for society's best interest" is that they are blatantly forgetting history and the lessons we were taught.

Every law, regulation or department ever set up by government is said to be done in the "best interest of society". They certainly don't sell it to the populace by saying its bad for society! Lenin believed too, that he was acting in society's best interests, he really did. --- Well, that's communism you say. Hmmm...but Hitler was democratically elected, and seized all of his powers LEGALLY! Yes, George Orwell was right when he discusses that ALL governments - even democratic ones - are naturally prone to be corrupt after time. It is because of human nature that this is so. People can ideologize all they want about whats best, but they always ignore the natural tendency to corrupt.

This is why in the past FREEDOM has been held so valuable. Please, lets remember that many of grandfathers died in battle to preserve FREEDOM. The United Kingdom proudly stated they would never surrender, and yes, they thought that freedom was so important that even the price of allowing London to get the hell bombed out of it - killing innocent children among others, was a reasonable price to maintain their freedom! In the USA, Patrick Henry stated "Give me liberty, or give me death", the ultimate statement of a PATRIOT!

Yes, history has taught us that with out any doubt, the "best thing for society overall" is for people to have FREEDOM!

Why is it that people who demand to maintain (or reclaim) their liberty are now thought of as right wing nuts, like something is wrong with them? It makes me sick. EVERY time a law gets passed it means we are living in a slightly less free country. EVERY time a new government department gets formed it means we are living in a slightly less free country.

Why is it that in countries such as ours, people now suddenly seem to be clamoring over themselves to give up their freedoms and their livelihoods (yes, taxes are taken from your livelihood) all in the silly notion that having less freedom is better for all?

Has everyone lost common sense? Does no-one remember Laissez Faire? The free market will always do whats best - ALWAYS!

Yes, if daycare is such a huge issue, employers will provide it to employees (of the employer's own free will) in order to attract the best employees. It's really a simple rule!

To be honest, I sometimes get really afraid when I think about this. Our governments have set us upon a path in which THE ONLY outcome can be that we no longer have any freedoms. Whether it happens 10 years from now or 50 years from, there is no doubt in my mind that it is inevitable.