Lunacy of the Yates verdict.

Started by BRIAN, Jul 28, 2006, 02:17 AM

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BRIAN

I was listening to a talk radio show yesterday. They were discussing the Yates verdict and why it was not guilty by reason of insanity instead of guilty but insane(There is such a thing in some jurisdictions). The general concensus was that she was getting off easy but some feminist wackadoo women called and emailed in that it was Russel Yates fault, he should have seen it comming and he caused it because he was too controlling. No proof or factual evidence just the asumption that he must have caused this woman in some way to kill his 5 children. I was flabergasted but at the same time not surprised.
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jaketk

A lot of people are quick to blame Rusty Yates, his family and everyone around Andrea Yates. The plain fact is that if Andrea was indeed "insane" people would have seen that kind of behavior. I have never heard of anyone flipping out for 15 minutes and killing five kids without ever showing any signs of mental illness. Just doesn't happen.

BRIAN

The main thing that bugs me is they are allowing battered womans syndrome to be applied to the children.
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Somebody else

Can't possibly be insanity. She took the dog to the kennel so it wouldn't get in the way and be a distraction, she planned it for the time after her husband left for work and her mother or mother-in-law arrived to help look after the kids, she locked all the doors so the kids couldn't escape.

An insane person has no connection to reality - psychotic - and could never have had the sanity to connect all these things together in a premeditated plan.

But you watch, within five years the docs will be announcing that she has made vast improvement under their treatment and is being released from the mental hospital.
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shard43

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But you watch, within five years the docs will be announcing that she has made vast improvement under their treatment and is being released from the mental hospital.


Easy to be declared sane and fit when she was never insane or anything in the first place. :rolleyes: But of course she's a woman so she would never lie, or if she does lie it would be to protect someone else right?

Peter

Women are never insane. You should know that already. Having to X chromosomes makes it impossible.

Women have their own way of knowing. In fact, she had detected that her children would be a sever national risk and she had to take resolute action, against her own will, and save the country.

Of course such a good woman will given a new chance to make a batch of new improved citizens.

:P

Still some complain how bad Darwinism is. It works fairly, but a but at random; somtimes  with surgical precision.
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Hombre

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An insane person has no connection to reality - psychotic - and could never have had the sanity to connect all these things together in a premeditated plan.


Why are you making up imaginary facts to try and fit your conclusion instead of drawing your conclusion from the facts that do exist?

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But you watch, within five years the docs will be announcing that she has made vast improvement under their treatment and is being released from the mental hospital.


Probably. This is a common problem with finding people innocent by reason of insanity. Let's solve this problem by addressing this problem, instead of pretending that anyone who ever showed any connection at all to reality, (which is not the definition of psychotic), while committing a crime could not have been insane.
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Somebody else

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An insane person has no connection to reality - psychotic - and could never have had the sanity to connect all these things together in a premeditated plan.


Why are you making up imaginary facts to try and fit your conclusion instead of drawing your conclusion from the facts that do exist?


What imaginary facts? Psychosis is a disconnect from reality.

Fine, she showed enough ability to plan the step-by-step process to prove she wasn't insane.

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]But you watch, within five years the docs will be announcing that she has made vast improvement under their treatment and is being released from the mental hospital.


Probably. This is a common problem with finding people innocent by reason of insanity. Let's solve this problem by addressing this problem, instead of pretending that anyone who ever showed any connection at all to reality, (which is not the definition of psychotic), while committing a crime could not have been insane.


Didn't say "anyone who ever showed any connection at all to reality" is the definition of psychosis. It's a disconnect from reality.
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Hombre

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An insane person has no connection to reality - psychotic - and could never have had the sanity to connect all these things together in a premeditated plan.


Why are you making up imaginary facts to try and fit your conclusion instead of drawing your conclusion from the facts that do exist?


What imaginary facts? Psychosis is a disconnect from reality.


Any kind of insanity is a disconnect from reality. But the only possible total disconnect from reality, (as you said "no connection to reality"), is catatonia and we don't know for sure about that one.

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Fine, she showed enough ability to plan the step-by-step process to prove she wasn't insane.


Having some ability to plan a step-by-step process is not enough to prove a person sane.

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]But you watch, within five years the docs will be announcing that she has made vast improvement under their treatment and is being released from the mental hospital.


Probably. This is a common problem with finding people innocent by reason of insanity. Let's solve this problem by addressing this problem, instead of pretending that anyone who ever showed any connection at all to reality, (which is not the definition of psychotic), while committing a crime could not have been insane.


Didn't say "anyone who ever showed any connection at all to reality" is the definition of psychosis. It's a disconnect from reality.


I phrased that poorly. I meant to condemn your claim that a total disconnect from reality is required to be psychotic, not the disconnect part.
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Mr. X

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Having some ability to plan a step-by-step process is not enough to prove a person sane.



My understanding of the insanity plea is momentary insanity as in being overwhelmed by emotion or other mental trauma at the moment. For example, an enraged husband, jealous of his wife's affair can't plan to take the dog to the kennel and wait till all is clear to then systematically murder his wife. He can, though, in a fit of rage after finding his wife in bed with someone, grab the family gun and shoot them and probbaly be thought of as insane.
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I would catergorize Andrea Yates condition as "planned insanity."  As far as Rusty Yates, he was highly supportive of Andrea's insanity conviction, making all kinds of excuses for her, but never mentioning how horrible it was what his kids went through.   He, IMO, never showed any consideration for their right to justice, and just treatment.  I feel really sorry that those kids had to have ever experienced either one of those two parents. :?
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bill001

The thing to ask about this is ... did the children have life insurance policies?  And if they did, the question is did mommy and daddy get their money yet?

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