Biden -- God Help Us If He Becomes President

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dr e

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Again, I must live on a freakin' island or something, here in South Texas. I watch the local news, and every day there are stories of people turning their homes into war zones, molesting and beating to death their children, etc. Of course, the majority of the time, the father or stepfather or boyfriend is the perp and is treated like one by the system. On the occasions where the woman in the family is the perp, she pays the same consequences within the system as the male perps, and her kids are taken from her. VAWA hasn't changed that.


Sounds like you may be an unconscious victim of selective perception.

Yes, the media will report male crime and tends to under-report female crime.  You will likely see it less on the media.  But look at the stats.  Women do more of the child abuse.  Feminists admit this and try to soften it by saying that "women are around the children more often."  LOL!  The fact is that women do more of the child abuse and also the child murder but you simply don't hear it on the media.  The unsuspecting pedestrian vaccantly takes in the crap that the media spoons out and voila!  Hey, there are far less women....blah blah blah.  

It is also clear that "All the research clearly demonstrates that gender is the most significant biasing factor in determining whether or not someone will be charged, prosecuted, indicted and sentenced, as well as determining the severity of the sentence."  Pick just about any crime and you will see that when men and women are both convicted the women get lighter sentences across the board.

Texas, btw is notorious for their sexism.  The first denial letter for VAWA funds for men came from Texas.  The are the frontrunners!  lmao!
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

dr e

LOL Neon!  Great post.

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Quote from: "mr niceguy"
Again, I must live on a freakin' island or something, here in South Texas. I watch the local news, and every day there are stories of people turning their homes into war zones, molesting and beating to death their children, etc. Of course, the majority of the time, the father or stepfather or boyfriend is the perp and is treated like one by the system. On the occasions where the woman in the family is the perp, she pays the same consequences within the system as the male perps, and her kids are taken from her. VAWA hasn't changed that.


When I watch my local news over here in the UK they never mention ANY Texans (male or female) committing murder or abuse. From this I deduce that because my local news isn't showing crazy, murdering Texans logically there can't be any.

Incidentally, what percentage of the people commiting these crimes on Texas news shows are black and what percentage of the Texan population are black?
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

mr niceguy

Quote from: "neonsamurai"
When I watch my local news over here in the UK they never mention ANY Texans (male or female) committing murder or abuse. From this I deduce that because my local news isn't showing crazy, murdering Texans logically there can't be any.

Why would local news in the UK show what is happening in South Texas?  :?

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Incidentally, what percentage of the people commiting these crimes on Texas news shows are black and what percentage of the Texan population are black?

Roughly the incidents they show reflect the population of the city, which is more than half Mexican-American. But I have noticed that the poorer the area, the more crime there is --- domestic or otherwise.

mr niceguy

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Women do more of the child abuse.  Feminists admit this and try to soften it by saying that "women are around the children more often."  LOL!  The fact is that women do more of the child abuse and also the child murder but you simply don't hear it on the media.  

They shouldn't be excusing any evils that women commit; that's wrong. But their statement on its face is not untrue. If women are with kids a lot more often than men are, then of course the numbers will reflect that. Just like statistically you are more likely to have a car accident within a mile of your house than anywhere else --- because that's where your car is most often.

On a national scale, I'm hearing about child-abusing and child-killing women in the media quite often. I'm sure you're hearing the same news stories.

mr niceguy

I honestly don't think the media have much of a bias one way or the other; they don't have a dog in this fight. If they think a story about abuse will garner attention because of its severity or for whatever other reason, they'll run it. I'm guessing that women's abuse of men isn't shown as often because the injuries aren't usually as severe. But when they are --- such as the story of the stupid little wife of the minister who shot him to death recently --- they are front and center in the national spotlight.

There might be a slight media bias --- against women --- when it comes to abuse of children. That's because when something happens to a child, the question in the media is: "Where was the mother, and why didn't she prevent it?" Rarely do they ask where the father was; it's just assumed that he was too busy doing something else so it's not his responsibility --- which may well be the case, for all I know.

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Mr Niceguy, or is it Mrs?  Seriously, do you honestly believe the words you are typing?  Sound an awful lot like defensive posturing from a feminist to me.  Either that or you are just too blind to see the trees through the forest....

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dr e

Quote from: "mr niceguy"
I honestly don't think the media have much of a bias one way or the other; they don't have a dog in this fight. If they think a story about abuse will garner attention because of its severity or for whatever other reason, they'll run it. I'm guessing that women's abuse of men isn't shown as often because the injuries aren't usually as severe. But when they are --- such as the story of the stupid little wife of the minister who shot him to death recently --- they are front and center in the national spotlight.

There might be a slight media bias --- against women --- when it comes to abuse of children. That's because when something happens to a child, the question in the media is: "Where was the mother, and why didn't she prevent it?" Rarely do they ask where the father was; it's just assumed that he was too busy doing something else so it's not his responsibility --- which may well be the case, for all I know.


I think there is some truth in what you are saying.  The media will surely print a story if it is florid and gory.  Just look at Yates or C Harris.  They covered those extensively.  Look though at what happened in both cases.  The media did a made for TV movie on the Harris murder (which she did in front of the daughter) and framed her murder as being her "fighting for her family"!  If you can't see the bias there then bless your heart.  With the Yates situation look at how she is forgiven and given every possible excuse while people judge the husband!  It's hard to imagine a man murdering someone and the media saying that he didn't get the support from his wife and therefore it is HER fault.  

BTW the research is clear.  Men comprise 38% of the seriously injured victims of domestic violence.  That's gettin up towards half.  Does the media tell us about this? No.

Let go of the dark side grasshopper.  You are in its grip.  Find the force and be free.
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mr niceguy

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
With the Yates situation look at how she is forgiven and given every possible excuse while people judge the husband!  It's hard to imagine a man murdering someone and the media saying that he didn't get the support from his wife and therefore it is HER fault.  

The media as a whole haven't done this. A handful of outspoken feminists have, and I agree with you that it's sickening. It's irrational to blame Rusty Yates in any way, shape, or form for what happened.

But as for Andrea Yates, her postpartum psychosis was very real and caused her actions. That's just a fact. Unless you have a psychiatric background, there's no sense in trying to refute it.

I actually agree with Bill Maher: "What's wrong with 'guilty by reason of insanity'?" Nevertheless, she was indeed insane.

dr e

You are missing the point.  When a woman commits a murder there is a mad scramble to find out why she would have done something like that and all of the excuses start flying.  She had PTSD, she was abused as a child, she had post-partum depression, she had battered woman's syndrome, her husband beat her, and on and on we go in the abuse excuse sweepstakes.  It has gotten so bad now that women who have been convicted by a jury of their peers for murdering their husbands and in jail are being released by idiotically chivalrous politicians seeking votes and support from women.  omg.  

When a man commits a similar crime he is pronounced a "bad man" and the rush is not to find an excuse but to hold him completely accountable.  The differences are stark and obvious to anyone not wearing the feminists glasses.

My wife now sees things.  She told me yesterday about something she had seen on tv where the man was arrested for dv but the evidence was clearly that she had hit him in the face with her fist and he had responded.  In the show no mention or attention was drawn to the fact that she had hit first.  The only thing that was done was to handcuff the man and berate him publically for hitting a woman.

She said she would have missed that little bit of data if we had not had our "discussions" about men and dv.  And so it goes.

 


Quote from: "mr niceguy"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
With the Yates situation look at how she is forgiven and given every possible excuse while people judge the husband!  It's hard to imagine a man murdering someone and the media saying that he didn't get the support from his wife and therefore it is HER fault.  

The media as a whole haven't done this. A handful of outspoken feminists have, and I agree with you that it's sickening. It's irrational to blame Rusty Yates in any way, shape, or form for what happened.

But as for Andrea Yates, her postpartum psychosis was very real and caused her actions. That's just a fact. Unless you have a psychiatric background, there's no sense in trying to refute it.

I actually agree with Bill Maher: "What's wrong with 'guilty by reason of insanity'?" Nevertheless, she was indeed insane.
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dr e

Using the same logic we can say that "of course men will commit more crime with guns.  They are around guns a great deal more than women."  duh.

Quote from: "mr niceguy"
Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Women do more of the child abuse.  Feminists admit this and try to soften it by saying that "women are around the children more often."  LOL!  The fact is that women do more of the child abuse and also the child murder but you simply don't hear it on the media.  

They shouldn't be excusing any evils that women commit; that's wrong. But their statement on its face is not untrue. If women are with kids a lot more often than men are, then of course the numbers will reflect that. Just like statistically you are more likely to have a car accident within a mile of your house than anywhere else --- because that's where your car is most often.

On a national scale, I'm hearing about child-abusing and child-killing women in the media quite often. I'm sure you're hearing the same news stories.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

woof

Quote from: "mr niceguy"
I honestly don't think the media have much of a bias one way or the other; they don't have a dog in this fight. If they think a story about abuse will garner attention because of its severity or for whatever other reason, they'll run it. I'm guessing that women's abuse of men isn't shown as often because the injuries aren't usually as severe. But when they are --- such as the story of the stupid little wife of the minister who shot him to death recently --- they are front and center in the national spotlight.

There might be a slight media bias --- against women --- when it comes to abuse of children. That's because when something happens to a child, the question in the media is: "Where was the mother, and why didn't she prevent it?" Rarely do they ask where the father was; it's just assumed that he was too busy doing something else so it's not his responsibility --- which may well be the case, for all I know.
LOL.....yea this would follow what you have been saying.

The truth.
Women commit as much domestic violence as men......is this what you see in the media?
How many times has a woman killed her husband and then claimed "battered wife"?
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Mr. Bad

Quote from: "mr niceguy"
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When I watch my local news over here in the UK they never mention ANY Texans (male or female) committing murder or abuse. From this I deduce that because my local news isn't showing crazy, murdering Texans logically there can't be any.

Why would local news in the UK show what is happening in South Texas?  :?

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Incidentally, what percentage of the people commiting these crimes on Texas news shows are black and what percentage of the Texan population are black?

Roughly the incidents they show reflect the population of the city, which is more than half Mexican-American. But I have noticed that the poorer the area, the more crime there is --- domestic or otherwise.


Texas is a city?  Hmm, I must have missed something.
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mr niceguy

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Texas is a city?  Hmm, I must have missed something.

I live near San Antonio, and the local news broadcasts on San Antonio TV stations focus on San Antonio news. Fancy that!

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...the police generally aren't interested in wasting their time arresting a person unless the evidence leads them to a crime that the person committed.


Hogwash!

Mandatory arrest is police code for "Arrest the man" so stop lying about it.

# If the police spent as much time looking for real evidence of domestic violence as they do looking for rationalizations to fit their gender profiling prejudices,

# If the police spent as much time looking for real evidence of domestic violence as they do fabricating evidence to fit their gender profiling prejudices,

# If the police spent as much time looking for real evidence of domestic violence as they do destroying (or ignoring) real evidence to fit their gender profiling prejudices,

then there wouldn't be nearly so many men being railroaded in our gender bigoted courts and having their lives destroyed by false accusations of domestic violence.
 

We have the domestic violence industry's gender bigoted, domestic violence trainers largely to thank for the hate war on men being waged by our gender feminist trained police and judges.  America's police and judges are trained by gender feminist bigots to be man-hating bigots - and they are.  Our American system of law, that clearly has such a tyranny in place in one area under the Violence Against Women Act, has no integrity in any area.  :?

http://www.glennsacks.com/baseball_players_domestic.htm

Baseball Player's Domestic Violence Arrest Demonstrates How Men are Presumed Guilty in Domestic Disputes
By Glenn Sacks

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Domestic violence activist Greg Schmidt, a police lieutenant who created the Seattle police department's domestic violence investigation unit in 1994, says that cases like Erickson's demonstrate the way men are often presumed guilty in domestic disputes.  He notes that mandatory arrest laws, such as California's, frustrate police officers because they are "expected to make arrests in petty incidents, often where the woman is the aggressor, the abuse is mutual, or it is unclear who the aggressor was."

"The domestic violence industry--the trainers, the shelter directors, etc.--can spin things however they want," he says, "but most street cops know that women are just as likely to start domestic disputes as men are.  But arresting women puts you under lot of scrutiny.  It's bad for your career."

Schmidt also criticizes the dominant aggressor doctrine which discourages dual arrests (which are often an appropriate measure) and instructs police to downplay who struck the first blow. Instead, police are asked to focus on who is (supposedly) in control of the situation and who is more fearful--often code words for "arrest the man."

Part of the problem is the training that police officers receive from the domestic violence industry, which insists that 95% of domestic violence is committed by men. Southern California domestic violence consultant Anne O'Dell, who has conducted over 500 domestic violence trainings of police officers and commanders, judges, district attorneys, and victim advocates, tells her trainees that "if a police officer is arresting more than 8% women, you've got a real problem.  When an officer arrests 12% or 15% women, I'm outraged." O'Dell says that dual arrests should occur in no more than 3% of incidents.














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Quote from: "mr niceguy"
Again, I must live on a freakin' island or something, here in South Texas. I watch the local news, and every day there are stories of people turning their homes into war zones, molesting and beating to death their children, etc. Of course, the majority of the time, the father or stepfather or boyfriend is the perp and is treated like one by the system. On the occasions where the woman in the family is the perp, she pays the same consequences within the system as the male perps, and her kids are taken from her. VAWA hasn't changed that.


I would point out that South Texas is one of the poorest parts of the United States, particluarly the border area just north of the Rio Grande.  Perhaps the mayhem has more to do with poverty than anything else.
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