Is a crying baby alive?

Started by URnotmeRU, Oct 03, 2003, 04:50 AM

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URnotmeRU

Anniee linked me to this story this morning, what a sick and twisted turn of events. There is no length these selfish bitches won't go to have it their way come hell or high water! :evil:

Read this:
http://illinoisleader.com/columnists/columnistsview.asp?c=8744

Wednesday, October 01, 2003


Photo of a moving, crying, not-quite-alive baby according to Cook County Circuit Court Judge Karen Thompson. Because the umbilical cord has not yet been cut, the baby is not "completely separated" from his or her mother.



OPINION -- Is a crying baby alive? No, not necessarily, decided Cook County Circuit Court Judge Karen Thompson last November when she acquitted a mother previously convicted twice of murdering her newborn daughter.


Thus is the latest of increasingly grotesque decisions made by liberal judges to accommodate abortion - first of unborn babies, then of partially delivered babies, and now of babies who are delivered but have not "established a separate and independent life," as required by Thompson in her reversal.


In question is whether a six-pound, 19-inch baby girl was "completely separated" at delivery when her mother, Elizabeth Ehlert, killed her.


Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine has asked the Illinois Supreme Court to intervene, arguing that "complete separation" would mean the umbilical cord must be cut.


"What you have here is the horrific scenario in which a mother who doesn't want her baby delivers the baby, the baby is out and still connected by the cord, and under the complete separation doctrine... she can kill that baby," said assistant state's attorney Peter Fischer, according to the Daily Herald. "She can stab it, she can strangle it, do anything, and it's not murder.... It's nothing."


The state's attorney is correct. A baby is not completely separated from her mother so long as no one cuts the cord, which is attached at one end to the baby's navel and at the other end to the placenta inside the mother. It normally takes five to 30 minutes for the placenta to be delivered following a baby's birth.


On August 21, 1990, Ehlert delivered her daughter in her Palatine bedroom alone. Boyfriend Steven King heard the baby cry for two seconds from where he stood in the hall. After that he heard nothing until Ehlert called for him to hand her a garbage bag, saying the baby had been born dead. She proceeded to throw the garbage bag with the baby in it into the creek behind her house. Workers found the baby downstream some days later.


According to court documents, Kingwas "credible," "honest and sincere," and "truly shaken up" by the incident.


Ehlert was found to lie and change her story several times about the events surrounding the birth. She lied that she was even pregnant during the months prior. She refused to allow King to call an ambulance when she was in labor.


Cook County assistant chief medical examiner Dr. Mitra Kalelkar testified the baby was healthy and had air in her lungs. Even before knowing the circumstances of the baby's death, she "had a suspicion that this baby was born alive and that the cause of death would be drowning," and requested further police investigation.


Prosecutors pointed out babies rarely cry when their heads appear during delivery. At that point the torso is still under great pressure within the birth canal, and the lungs have not yet inflated. The first cry is usually heard only after the baby is born.


In 1995, a jury found Ehlert guilty of murder.


But the first conviction was reversed "because the prosecution presented irrelevant and highly prejudicial evidence that defendant had two abortions," said court documents. Prosecutors were merely demonstrating Ehlert had a history of killing her children, but the court ruffled at the insinuation. In Illinois, if someone kills a preborn baby against her mother's wishes, that person is charged with homicide. If a mother kills her unborn baby by abortion, it is her choice.


Nevertheless Ehlert was convicted again by bench trial, the conviction Thompson Tobin overturned last November.


Progressive lawmakers have attempted to revise Illinois' antiquated "born alive" definition each of the past three years in light of medical advances as well as the discovery of type of abortion being committed in Illinois hospitals that sometimes results in babies being aborted alive and left to die.


But pro-abortionists have repeatedly killed the measure, called the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act.


President Bush signed the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act last year, but that only relates to federal law and postdates the murder in question.


At issue is more than Baby Girl Ehlert's murder. At issue is an added feature to abortion.


If a baby does not have rights until completely separated from her mother, then it follows to be perfectly legal for hospital or abortion clinic staff to deliver a baby and not cut the cord until mom decides if she wants the baby. What if the baby is a girl when mom wants a boy? What if mom and the boyfriend at her side are both white, but the baby is obviously mixed race (as I have witnessed)? Why was the girl who delivered at her prom and threw the baby in the trash convicted? If her baby was not separated when allowed to drown in the toilet, was not that legal?


It is almost a surprise that State's Attorney Devine is pursuing justice for Baby Girl Ehlert. But he is a welcome ally in the fight to protect innocent babies from murder.
nd the time will come when you'll see we're all one and life flows on, within you and without you. - George Harrison

Pernicious

That is one of the stupidest, and sickest things that I have seen.
 do what I need to do to protect my loved ones, friends, and family. This is what men do.

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

Feminazi Infanticide. Monstrous!! I motion that Judge Karen Thompson be indicted for crimes against humanity.  Equivocating abortion to be so-called "prochoice" is one of the most insidious scams in history. Obviously feminazis consider a baby to be subhuman and not relevant to making their own choice to be born.  They wont get away with it though. Judgement Day is coming and God will leave no stone unturned.
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
                         Adolph Hitler

"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
- Dr. Hans Bernd Gisevius
(1904-1974)


DoubleTrouble

Oh please. I don't have to post to every thread. I refuse to announce my opinion on abortion.  Been there, done that, and it's a favorite to pull out to flame. Funny thing, my stance is always misstated or in this case, misimplied. Does twisting my username to mock me count as a personal attack? I fail to see the use of it, otherwise.

Anniee an'the Blackhearts

Well Trouble, isn't it funny that some people think a spike into the girl's private parts is OK to FORCE, so long as that spike is attached to that person's pelvis, and he wants it bad enough; but a spike to the head is not OK.

Obviously you have never taken a position remotely resembling the position ascribed to you; but ironically a position resembling that above was taken by the complainant.   Well well isn't THAT funny.

Definitely not funny "haha" but damned peculiar.
on't walk ahead of me, I may not follow.  Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk beside me either.  Stay the hell away from me.

You want to talk?  Write.


Anniee an'the Blackhearts

Oh yeah, a spike through the head might be dangerous, but a spike forced elsewhere doesn't HURT anyone, isn't that the thing?   What. ever.

You're lying about her and you damn well know it; she's stated her position on this too many times for you to bullshit about it now.    I'll say it even if she won't.
on't walk ahead of me, I may not follow.  Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk beside me either.  Stay the hell away from me.

You want to talk?  Write.

dr e

Trouble said
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Does twisting my username to mock me count as a personal attack?


Not in my view.  If the poster had said "doubleasshole" I think that could be construed as attack.  Doublebubble or something like that seem more playful and clever to me.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

Anniee an'the Blackhearts

Was the accusation playful?   It seemed goddamned malicious.   Esp. in light of the accusor's own...er...views.
on't walk ahead of me, I may not follow.  Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk beside me either.  Stay the hell away from me.

You want to talk?  Write.

DoubleTrouble

Thank you for the support Anniee. :) I'm going to send you a PM in a couple of minutes. But Dr. Evil, please de-register me. This is no longer a board that I should be posting at. I may find it interesting reading sometimes, but I do not think that my posting adds anything to the discussions. Take care all.

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

"Well Trouble, isn't it funny that some people think a spike into the girl's private parts is OK to FORCE, so long as that spike is attached to that person's pelvis, and he wants it bad enough; but a spike to the head is not OK. Obviously you have never taken a position remotely resembling the position ascribed to you; but ironically a position resembling that above was taken by the complainant. Well well isn't THAT funny.
Definitely not funny "haha" but damned peculiar."
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Oh the twisted irony. A baby is brutally murdered by a WOMAN and you throw in that horseshit about "a rapespike"!!!! Oh thats right the feminazi propaganda ministry has proclaimed that their loosely defined rape statistics take precedent over the lives of "subhuman" babes in the womb! Monstrous!!! :twisted:
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
                         Adolph Hitler

"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
- Dr. Hans Bernd Gisevius
(1904-1974)


dr e

Am I missing something here?  Doublebubble is malacious?  Someone give me the info, throw me a fricken bone here.  What was so malacious?

Trouble, if you want me to deavtivate your screen name I can do that.  Sorry to see you go.  It is important to have voices from all sides of issues.  That is the path where all can learn.

Evil
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

D

Don't worry, there are a lot of men out there who believe in abortion too.  IT's more than just a gender thing.  

:bawling:

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