Need to refute femnazi stats

Started by Assault, Mar 05, 2007, 07:50 PM

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Assault

Hey guys, there is this women fighters against domestic vilence campaign over at one of the fight forums I frequent. Here are the stats one of the women displayed and I'm hoping some of our more knowledgable members can help me refute the usual sexism and feminist myths.

This is a forum that is viewed by literally tens of thousands of men a day so the answer will be seen by many.

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Child abuse is reported on an average of every 10 seconds and 3 children die every day as a result of such abuse.

Domestic violence is the #1 cause of birth defects according to the March of Dimes.

67% of abusers also abuse their children.

30% of all murders are women being killed by their partners

1 in every 3 women is a victim of domestic violence at some time in their life.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women age 15 to 44.

In 87% of violent homes, children witness the battering.

15 - 25% of pregnant women are battered.

Up to 50% of all homeless women in the country are fleeing from domestic violence.

75% of emergency room visits by battered women occur after they have been separated.

About 2,000 of America's infants and young children die each year due to domestic violence.

A Woman is beaten every 9 seconds in the U.S


Do your thing fellas!  :greener:
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

dr e

Now that is a list of fabrications if I have ever seen one!  Many of the stats on there are exagerations of the typical lies. 

The child abuse every 10 seconds is particularly funny since it is women who are the perps in the majority of child abuse cases.  You might want to start by pointing out that little piece of data.  Some of the crap that is posted can be easily refuted by having a look at this page:

http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/factoid/factoid.html

Pointing other readers there will be a good start.  Have a look at the factoid page and you can pick em off like fish in a barrell.  You might also want to point out that people like this woman depend on no one questioning their "facts."  lol
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

Assault

Thanks Dr E
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

Men's Rights Activist

http://www.newswithviews.com/Sacks/glenn16.htm
NEW REPORT ON MATERNAL HOMICIDE 'CRISIS': MYTH-MAKING AND MANBASHING
by Glenn Sacks
http://www.glennsacks.com/new_report_on_maternal.htm

http://www.glennsacks.com/4_feminists_myths.htm
4 Feminist Myths about
Domestic Violence
By Glenn Sacks

http://www.batteredmen.com/batfact.htm
Facts and Myths about Domestic Violence

Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

Men's Rights Activist

http://www.ncfmla.org/dv_data.html
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THE SELF-DEFENSE MYTH

"Contrary to the claim that women only hit in self-defense, we found that women were as likely to initiate the violence as were men. In order to correct for a possible bias in reporting, we reexamined our data looking only at the self-reports of women. The women reported similar rates of female-to-male violence compared to male-to-female, and women also reported they were as likely to initiate the violence as were men." 



Richard Gelles, Ph.D, "The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence; Male Victims," 1999, The Women's Quarterly.

www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html



"It has often been claimed that the reason CTS studies have found as many women as men to be physically aggressive is because women are defending themselves against attack.  A number of studies have addressed this issue and found that when asked, more women than men report initiating the attack.  (Bland & Orn. 1986; DeMaris, 1992; Gryl & Bird. 1989. cited in Straus. 1997) or that the proportions are equivalent in the two sexes (Straus, 1997).  Two large-scale studies found that a substantial proportion of both women and men report using physical aggression when the partner did not (Brush, 1990; Straus & Gelles, 1988).  This evidence does not support the view that the CTS is only measuring women's self-defense."   



John Archer, Ph.D., "Sex Differences in Aggression Between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review, Psychological Bulletin," Sept. 2000. v. 126, n. 5, p. 651, 664.



In a survey of 1,000 college women at California State University, 30 percent of the women admitted having assaulted a male partner, and their most common reasons were: (1) "my partner wasn't listening to me"; (2)  "my partner wasn't being sensitive to my needs"; and (3) "I wished to gain my partner's attention."  Martin Fiebert, Ph.D., Denise Gonzalez, Ph.D., "Why Women Assault; College Women Who Initiate Assaults on their Male Partners and the Reasons Offered for Such Behavior," 1997, Psychological Reports, 80, 583-590, www.batteredmen.com/fiebertg.htm. Cited by San Bernardino County Sheriff

www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/sheriff/dvra/dom_viol_facts_main.htm

A major study of domestic violence that asked about motives found men and women assault their partners at the same rates and for the same reasons, most often "to get through to them," while self-defense was one of the least common motives for both sexes. Carrado, "Aggression in British Heterosexual Relationships: A Descriptive Analysis, Aggressive Behavior," 1996, 22: 401-415.

The 32-nation study of domestic violence by the University of New Hampshire in 2006 further refutes the self-defense myth. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

Sarantakos, S. (2004), "Deconstructing self-defense in wife-to-husband violence,"  Journal of Men's Studies, 12 (3) 277-296.  Members of 68 families with violent wives in Australia were studied.  In 78% of cases wives' violence was moderate to severe, and in 38% of cases husbands needed medical attention.  Using information from husbands, wives, children and wives' mothers, the study provides compelling data challenging self defense as a motive for female-to-male violence.

Sommer, Reena (1994), "Male and female partner abuse: Testing a diathesis-stress model," unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada.  The study was in two waves: the first was from 1989-1990 and included a random sample of 452 married or cohabiting women and 447 married or cohabiting men from Winnipeg, Canada; the second was from 1991-1992 and included 368 women and 369 men all of whom participated in the first wave. Subjects completed the CTS & other assessment instruments. 39.1% of women reported being physically aggressive  (16.2% reporting having perpetrated severe violence) at some point in their relationship with their male partner.  While 26.3% of men reported being physically aggressive (with 7.6% reporting perpetrating severe violence) at some point in their relationship with their female partner. Among the perpetrators of partner abuse, 34.8% of men and 40.1% of women reported observing their mothers hitting their fathers.  Results indicate that 21% of "males' and 13% of females' partners required medical attention as a result of a partner abuse incident." Results also indicate that "10% of women and 15% of men perpetrated partner abuse in self defense."  www.menweb.org/throop/battery/sommer.html

Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

Men's Rights Activist

http://www.mediaradar.org/media_fact_sheet.php
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The myths about domestic violence are numerous.
These are some of the common myths about domestic violence:

According to the FBI, a woman is beaten every 15 seconds
4,000 women each year are killed by their husbands, ex-husbands, or boyfriends
There are nearly three times as many animal shelters in the United states as there are shelters for women
Battering during pregnancy is the leading cause of birth defects and infant mortality
Women who kill their batterers receive longer prison sentences than men who kill their partners
Richard Gelles, an internationally-recognized expert on domestic violence, refers to many of these claims as "factoids from nowhere." [http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/factoid/factoid.html]
Many of these myths are based on DV studies that use biased survey methods.

Some studies survey women but not men. Predictably, these studies yield one-sided findings.
The DOJ National Crime Victimization Survey is flawed because persons do not consider most forms of domestic violence, such as slapping, shoving, or throwing an object at a partner, to be a crime.
The DOJ National Violence Against Women survey prefaces the questions by repeatedly using the phrase "personal safety." Those words bias the responses because women are more concerned about personal safety than men.
Some studies of domestic violence assess both physical and verbal abuse. That inflates and distorts the picture of physical violence.
[Source: MA Straus: The controversy over domestic violence by women: A methodological, theoretical, and sociology of science analysis. In XB Arriaga and S Oskamp: Violence in intimate relationships. Sage Publishers, 1999. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CTS21.pdf]

Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

Men's Rights Activist

Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

Mr. X

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Child abuse is reported on an average of every 10 seconds and 3 children die every day as a result of such abuse.

And who's doing the abuse? Also 3 children a day amounts to 1095 children a year out of a population of over 300 million. That's less that .000365% of the population. I'm not belittling the death of children but this is not an endemic situation. And again, who's doing the killing? Do the kids left in the back seats of cars by careless moms count?

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30% of all murders are women being killed by their partners


http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm
"According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, most murder victims were male, 79% in 2005."
Intimates murders
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/intimatestab.htm
And note
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm
"About 11% of murder victims were determined to have been killed by an intimate
Most murder victims were familiar with their assailants.

Spouses and family members made up about 15% of all victims.


About one-third of the victims were acquaintances of the assailant.


In 14% of all murders, the victim and the offender were strangers.


The victim/offender relationship was undetermined in about one-third of homicides.
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So clearly the 30% stat is false or misleading.

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In 87% of violent homes, children witness the battering.

Battering by whom and do they also witness verbal abuse etc by mothers?


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A Woman is beaten every 9 seconds in the U.S
And a man every 11 seconds.



Also beware of tricks of statistics. A claim like "99% of all rape is caused by men" may sound harsh but 1. If rape is defined by the forced penetration by a female by a male then yes, only men can cause rape and 2. If you have a population of 1 million and there are 10 rapes and 9 of them are caused by men, is that significant?

If you look at the bureau of justice website you'll see that ALL violent crime has gone down and that men are still the greatest victims of violent crime including murder.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/vsxtab.htm

Men are the bigger victims in society, not women. Also there is no such thing as a crime of man on man. You don't ignore the plight of a victim because they have the same sex or skin color as their attacker. If that were the case then all women are responsible for the Andrea Yates of this world and we men should ignore all crimes committed by women against women.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

Assault

Wow! Thanks guys, I'm going to have to go through all this info and make a coherent argument. Thanks for the help!!
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

Mr. X

Some of the stats you listed are non-sequiturs and don't make sense. They are like saying "99% of all ducks say quack". Without context they are almost meaningless. The 3 children a day dying of abuse is a good example. That's a little over 1000 a year. I think more people die of the flu. A lot of those stats just sound like brain farts and "scary" numbers that have no real meaning and most of them do not distinguish between the sexes so we don't know WHO killed these 3 children a day.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

SIAM

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Up to 50% of all homeless women in the country are fleeing from domestic violence.


Shelters full are they?

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