Equal Pay Day

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Interesting article at reason.comhttp://reason.com/news/show/119920.html,

The Truth About the Pay Gap
Feminist politics and bad economics

Steve Chapman | April 30, 2007

New Year's Day is called that because it begins a new year, and Thanksgiving has that name because it's an occasion for expressing gratitude. But Equal Pay Day, observed this year on April 24, is named for something that, we are told, doesn't exist -- equal pay for men and women.

The National Committee on Pay Equity used the occasion to announce that among full-time workers, women make only 77 cents for every dollar paid to men. The three leading Democratic presidential candidates have all endorsed legislation to fix the problem.

And the effort got new fuel from a report by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) Educational Foundation, which says women are paid less starting with their first jobs out of college, and that the deficit only grows with time. Pay discrimination, says AAUW, is still "a serious problem for women in the work force."

In reality, that's not clear at all. What we know from an array of evidence, including this report, is that most if not all of the discrepancy can be traced to factors other than sexism. When it comes to pay equity, we really have come a long way.

On its face, the evidence in the AAUW study looks damning. "One year out of college," it says, "women working full-time earn only 80 percent as much as their male colleagues earn. Ten years after graduation, women fall farther behind, earning only 69 percent as much as men earn."

But read more, and you learn things that don't get much notice on Equal Pay Day. As the report acknowledges, women with college degrees tend to go into fields like education, psychology and the humanities, which typically pay less than the sectors preferred by men, such as engineering, math and business. They are also more likely than men to work for nonprofit groups and local governments, which do not offer salaries that Alex Rodriguez would envy.

As they get older, many women elect to work less so they can spend time with their children. A decade after graduation, 39 percent of women are out of the work force or working part time -- compared with only 3 percent of men. When these mothers return to full-time jobs, they naturally earn less than they would have if they had never left.

Even before they have kids, men and women often do different things that may affect earnings. A year out of college, notes AAUW, women in full-time jobs work an average of 42 hours a week, compared to 45 for men. Men are also far more likely to work more than 50 hours a week.

Buried in the report is a startling admission: "After accounting for all factors known to affect wages, about one-quarter of the gap remains unexplained and may be attributed to discrimination" (my emphasis). Another way to put it is that three-quarters of the gap clearly has innocent causes -- and that we actually don't know whether discrimination accounts for the rest.

I asked Harvard economist Claudia Goldin if there is sufficient evidence to conclude that women experience systematic pay discrimination. "No," she replied. There are certainly instances of discrimination, she says, but most of the gap is the result of different choices. Other hard-to-measure factors, Goldin thinks, largely account for the remaining gap -- "probably not all, but most of it."

The divergent career paths of men and women may reflect a basic unfairness in what's expected of them. It could be that a lot of mothers, if they had their way, would rather pursue careers but have to stay home with the kids because their husbands insist. Or it may be that for one reason or another, many mothers prefer to take on the lion's share of child-rearing. In any case, the pay disparity caused by these choices can't be blamed on piggish employers.

June O'Neill, an economist at Baruch College and former director of the Congressional Budget Office, has uncovered something that debunks the discrimination thesis. Take out the effects of marriage and child-rearing, and the difference between the genders suddenly vanishes. "For men and women who never marry and never have children, there is no earnings gap," she said in an interview.

That's a fact you won't hear from AAUW or the Democratic presidential candidates. The prevailing impulse on Equal Pay Day was to lament how far we are from the goal. The true revelation, though, is how close.

A different approach to different times; Independent

Everytime you feel trapped in a feminst dystopia, just repeat this mantra to yourself: "there are 3.1 billion women on earth"; SIGE

bachelor tom

Thanks, good article, though he could have mentioned that men still do the most dangerous jobs and still suffer more work injuries
political correctness = patriarchal chivalry + matriarchal victimology


Mr. X

So when is Equal Work Day?
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."


So when is Equal Work Day?

That's the day that you finally do some dishes around here!
"To such females, womanhood is more sacrosanct by a thousand times than the Virgin Mary to popes--and motherhood, that degree raised to astronomic power. They have eaten the legend about themselves and believe it; they live it; they require fealty of us all." -- Philip Wylie, Generation of Vipers

Mr. X

So when is Equal Work Day?

That's the day that you finally do some dishes around here!

HA!  :laughing6:
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."


I would rather load up the dishwasher for 10 minutes than do 10 hours of of work on the job.  :angryfire:

Hey, guys, I'm going up to Inuvik next week. It is for work. I have no interest in seeing Inuvik and wish I could stay home, but my job pays all the bills. Also I am working 10 hrs/day 7 days per week when travelling. It is a drag, but it pays well.
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The Biscuit Queen

Sounds like Dave, he has been down in North Carolina for a week and a half at a time for months :sad1:

I hate it when his company makes him travel like that. A few days once and a while is a nice break for both of us, but this repetitive long term stuff really sucks.

Although Dave likes his job for the most part, which helps.

What are you doing, Paul?
he Biscuit Queen

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.


Hi Biscuit Queen:

Did you pick a movie review for your newsletter?

I work for a company that has a contract with the Canadian Armed Forces. Soon I'll be up in Resolute Bay, which is a jumping-off point for people going to the North Pole. It seems that even these ridiculously remote places need to be harnessed for military needs. Wish I could be at home with my wife.

What is Dave up to? It is 18F right now in Inuvik. Probably better weather in North Carolina. I'm glad Dave likes his job.
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