Started by Mr. Bad, May 04, 2007, 08:12 AM
"On the topic of gender, it appear scientists are now leaning towards the theory that a small, mostly undocumented part of the brain is responsible for personal gender. (Personal as in not what gender the doctors declared you, but what you yourself feel you are). This part of the brain determines whether the brain itself develops into a "structurally male or female brain", with no regards to chromosomal gender. There's been some fascinating results, but it's still mostly a theory. I'll have to try find a link if anyone's interested. Far more plausible than many theories I've heard on the subject, but still a developing area."
"However stoicism and talkativeness are individual traits too, and it's damaging for a talkative person to try remain silent in order to fit a stereotype; certainly whinging isn't a positive attribute but some people tend to bottle it up with eventually detrimental results."
I think people here give feminists way way WAY too much credit. I don't think they are that complicated. They want all the benefits of "equality" with all the benefits of "chivalry" at the same time. Take the most hard core feminist out there. Then have Denzel Washington or Leo DiCaprio or Russell Crowe or George Clooney rub on them and it's game over. They'll pull their panties off just as fast as any other groupie starstruck by the money, the fame, the good looks and the power. A feminist at her core is just another chick, and frankly, I think chicks aren't all that complicated. They want 1) Money2) Good looks3) Fame/Power4) Their friends jealous that they can get 1-3But everyone knows when a woman crosses the age of 35-40, the odds of her ever getting any of the above decline drastically. I mean we are talking falling through the basement here. The typical chick trick is to get everyone talking and mulling and in deep thought to blow a smokescreen over the fact that what they really want isn't all that hard. They want your cash so they don't have to work. They want your good looks because they want the best genetics for those kids you are going to pay for. They want you to have fame/power because socially, a woman is held in esteem by the male she secures and subsequently the success of his career. And finally, since chicks can't really stand other chicks that much, they want to rub shit in each others faces about what they got that their "friends" can't get. I don't want to be rude, but the feminist definition of "masculinity" means they get 1-4 or some combo of it without having to look like a whore about it all. Here's my definition - Get as much sex as you can from them as safe as you can, don't let them get their claws into your wallet or your gonads and just wait them out, because after 40, they have lost most of their social power in getting any of the things that they want. Chicks talk about all kinds of things but those words are hollow to me. What do they do? They ask you what you do for a living about half a second after you meet them. That's all they care about. That's why they love to get MRAs into this quagmire of debate, because they don't want to look like whores who only care about how much money men have ( no newsflash, deep down, it just comes back to how much money you have) Chicks want you to argue with them, because it validates them. Because chicks love attention. They love it almost as much as they love your money. ( I said almost...) They don't actually listen to a word you say, they just bask in the glow of said attention. Feminists don't care about "masculinity", its just some smoke grenades they throw while they figure out how to get at your wallet without having to feel guilty about it. I don't even bother arguing with chicks anymore. There's no point. I don't feel the need to validate them or give them the attention they crave. Trust me, anyone who walks on this board looking for an "open dialogue with MRAs" and calls themselves a feminist just wants attention. She won't actually listen to a word you say. You don't need to argue with them, wait for them to cross 40 years of age and that will say all that really needs to be said in the end. JBPH
What pisses me off about feminists is that they expect to act like a bunch of male-bashing, man-hating cunts and still expect men to want them.Fuck that shit.
Yes, please find the link.
You know what, though... "remaining silent" may not make sense to you, but it doesn't mean the people that "remain silent" are wrong.
"But the theory that healthy masculinity includes stoicism is flawed."
"One of my closest male friends is very talkative, and I respect that it's a trait of his as an individual. He has every right to voice his thoughts without being condemned as sissy or unmasculine, and that's the type of man I had in mind when saying that if the individual prefers to talk then remaining silent isn't necessarily a healthy ingredient of his personal masculinity. Verbal males may not be the majority but as always, things should be taken on an individual by individual basis."
Part of healthy masculinity includes letting men remain silent if they choose to.
Quote"But the theory that healthy masculinity includes stoicism is flawed."No, it's really not.
Here's the definition of masculine:"masculine: 1 a : MALE b : having qualities appropriate to or usually associated with a man."
Speaking about feelings is not something that men tend to do. ...So placing that in the "masculine" category is not right.
"Yes, I'm not saying that people should be forced to talk about their feelings. But having stoicism as a prerequisite, a must-have ingredient of 'healthy masculinity' is flawed, since everyone is different."
"I meant that stoicism or talkativeness are personal traits. Saying that all men should remain silent in order to fit someone else's definition of 'healthy masculinity' is wrong. Saying that all men should discuss their deepest emotions in order to fit someone else's definition of 'healthy masculinity' is also wrong."
"And who decides what is or is not 'appropriate' there? I'm talking about more of an individual interpretation of healthy masculinity, which every man should define for himself. As everyone is an individual, they should find what's best for them and stick with it. It's not correct for anyone else to dictate to a man or a woman what constitutes 'healthy masculinity' or 'healthy femininity' especially when they're generalizing and promoting stereotypes. The majority and the minority are all individuals, despite whatever common ground they share. One man's healthy masculinity could be unhealthy for another man."
"My friend is a man, and I consider his verbal predilection a healthy part of his masculinity (not a feminine/feminized trait at all) because he is free to talk about his feelings, without being pressured to communicate or being pressured to keep a stiff upper lip. If he doesn't want to talk about anything, then he simply doesn't. He's talkative because that's a trait of the character he is. It works for him, and that's the important thing; if he subscribed to all the stereotypes of 'what a man should be', that would ultimately be a waste of the unique human being he is."
"Just as a woman who doesn't like to share her feelings isn't necessarily exhibiting a masculine trait, or suffering with an unhealthy femininity, just because not all other women like to keep it to themselves."
man that shares his feelings all the time is not exhibiting masculine traits when he's doing that. He could be very masculine in other respects & be "all man", but that particular thing is not usually associated with males, so... well, you know.