Sperm Donor Must Pay Child Support

[kjm]

from Fox News:

Pennsylvania Court Orders Sperm Donor to Lesbian Couple to Pay Child Support
Wednesday, May 09, 2007

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HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania  --  A sperm donor who helped a lesbian couple conceive two children is liable for child support under a state appellate court ruling that a legal expert believes might be the first of its kind in the U.S.

A Superior Court panel last week ordered a Dauphin County judge to establish how much Carl L. Frampton Jr. would have to pay to the birth mother of the 8-year-old boy and 7-year-old girl.

"I'm unaware of any other state appellate court that has found that a child has, simultaneously, three adults who are financially obligated to the child's support and are also entitled to visitation," said New York Law School professor Arthur S. Leonard, an expert on sexuality and the law.

But Frampton, 60, of Indiana, Pennsylvania, died suddenly of a stroke in March, leaving lawyers involved in the case with different theories about how his death may affect the precedent-setting case.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Good. Personally I hate to say this, but I think a few men will have to get hosed. Then men will refuse to sell thier sperm, and then the sperm banks will be shut down all together, and people will have to be two freaking PARENTS to have a child. If you cannot have children, you can adopt them.

[Chastity]

I agree with BQ. We have to spread the word, to make sure that people that do not look on the internets, also get this.

I am going to get feminist litterature in a few months, and everyone knows I hate feminists, including the teacher. She said she wanted debate, and she is going to get it by the truckload. info like this should help in the daily debates.

We debated gener-segregated schools today, as an example, and I was literally dominating the debate, mostly thanks to the information I read here. Thank you all for bringing light to issues like this.

[Big Log]

Child support..... hmmmm... let's see. My ex didn't have to pay support for my daughters for over a year after she left. And when I was finally awarded it, it was not retroactive so I lost out because my oldest daughter turned 18 during the process. No brought the issue up, in fact I was advised by my mangina attorney that I should refrain from asking because "she can't afford it", no one raised the issue. When I finally decided that my paying her bills even after the court ordered her to pay her own and I needed money to support our girls, I was looked upon as a prick with ears... HOW DARE I! Well, it took 6 months to get my first check. The judge, the GAL, the attorneys, they couldn't have cared less.

I can assure you that if I spent time in jail for DV, was ordered out of the home....had children who wanted nothing to do with me, there most certainly would have been a calling for me to PAY dearly. Let no one fool you, the courts are all about women. Thanks to our simple minded feminist movement and the pathetic elected officials who sell out. And no, I am not anti woman, here is a example where my two girls, WOMEN, got the shaft... Yep... you go girl!

[stands2p]

Easy for me to say but I would like to see more men demanding sole physical and legal custody in cases like this.  Simply walk into court and say "your honor, I am looking forward to my role as parent to this child.  The mother and her...friend are relieved of all responsibilities."

Few men would be able to overcome the prejudice in favor of women as custodial parents but the idea of treating men as wallets would encounter some resistance.

It would benefit men, honest women and especially children if the family courts began addressing custody determinations on actual merit rather than on illegal notions of chivalry, misguided attempts to redress imaginary past inequities and the following of political fashions. 

A man should walk into a custody hearing with his clean credit report, his bank statements, his clean police record, his employment history etc. and ask for a comparison with the mother's.  The fact that he is able to earn a living and be a responsible citizen should not require him to start writing monthly checks to someone who is not but to begin enjoying the miracle of fatherhood.

Single fathers should be nearly as common as single mothers but the phenomenon is so rare as to be baffling to some people when they do encounter it (restaurant hostess looks around..."is your wife parking the car?".  I think it is time to openly steal a feminist slogan and rework it for our own needs:

A single father must work twice as hard as a single mother to be considered half as good. Fortunately, this is not difficult.

[K9]

Here's a LINK to the story.

The article says the mother's "partner" is obligated for child support, and that support from Frampton's estate may affect her payments.

It also says that PA has never signed on to a Uniform Parentage Act that relieves donors of responsibilities. (of course fathers never had rights in the first place).

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...and then the sperm banks will be shut down all together...

Sounds good to me.  Now if we could only advance the science of the artificial womb just a little bit faster, things would be looking quite nice.

[Big Log]

Easy for me to say but I would like to see more men demanding sole physical and legal custody in cases like this.  Simply walk into court and say "your honor, I am looking forward to my role as parent to this child.  The mother and her...friend are relieved of all responsibilities."

Few men would be able to overcome the prejudice in favor of women as custodial parents but the idea of treating men as wallets would encounter some resistance.

It would benefit men, honest women and especially children if the family courts began addressing custody determinations on actual merit rather than on illegal notions of chivalry, misguided attempts to redress imaginary past inequities and the following of political fashions. 

A man should walk into a custody hearing with his clean credit report, his bank statements, his clean police record, his employment history etc. and ask for a comparison with the mother's.  The fact that he is able to earn a living and be a responsible citizen should not require him to start writing monthly checks to someone who is not but to begin enjoying the miracle of fatherhood.

Single fathers should be nearly as common as single mothers but the phenomenon is so rare as to be baffling to some people when they do encounter it (restaurant hostess looks around..."is your wife parking the car?".  I think it is time to openly steal a feminist slogan and rework it for our own needs:

A single father must work twice as hard as a single mother to be considered half as good. Fortunately, this is not difficult.

Well, when you have a wife who's being represented by an attorney who is a british harpie, PRO BONO.... they can easily drain you financially. The longer they drag out the divorce, they kill two birds with one stone.. they buy time to bolster credibility for her while slaying you with lawyers fees to counter every stupid little motion they file for. Believe me, it is skewed.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Stands2p, you are dead on. I think more men should start walking in and expecting to get custody when the mother made all these decisions which obviously are not in the kids best interest. Men who would make sure mothers got plenty of visitation, and played fair. 50/50 shared parenting is best, but I just think that maybe a few mothers relieved of their duties would make feminists see that 50/50 is really not such a bad thing.

[stands2p]

Big Log says:

Well, when you have a wife who's being represented by an attorney who is a british harpie, PRO BONO.... they can easily drain you financially. The longer they drag out the divorce, they kill two birds with one stone.. they buy time to bolster credibility for her while slaying you with lawyers fees to counter every stupid little motion they file for. Believe me, it is skewed.

I went and broke one of my own rules to live by: never start a sentence with "you know what people should do..." or any variation.

The family courts are a machine of death and misery for men and clever tactics aren't going to change that, point taken.  I do think it MIGHT catch SOME women and SOME harpie attorneys off guard for a man to put the woman on the defensive for a change.  It would take the right circumstances to set the precedent.  Namely, an unimpeachably responsible man and an iresponsible woman.  As it is now, a man with an overdue parking ticket is going to lose out to a woman who is a known drug dealer.

But I still think too many men buy into the notion that children are a woman's perogative and a woman's privillege.  They go into court hoping they won't lose too much money.  There have to be some women out there that would be happy to take a one time payoff and walk away forever after they give birth.

[Mr. X]

Holy Crap! They hold a sperm donar responsible for the kid from his sperm yet they offer women in 44 states the ability to drop kids off in hospitals and walk away NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Why do they hold someone who legally made an agreement to donate sperm responsible for kids yet they DON'T hold IRRESPONSIBLE DEADBEAT MOMS responsible for the children THEY ABANDON at hospitals.

I'm telling you. Next they will just pick some poor sap on the street and, if he looks like he can pay, he will be made the father.

1. Don't TRUST LESBIANS in this situation.
2. Do NOT cooperate on ANY LEVEL. Do not provide sperm. Do not help sire children for gay couples.
3. Do NOT TRUST the courts and the state.
4. Keep on insisting women are held accountable for their choices.

And one more thing. How come surrogate mothers are not made to pay child support for the children they sire to gay couples?

[The Invisible Male]

I agree.  Let the sperm dry up.  The whole industry disgusts me, considering that there are so many children waiting to be adopted.  I also think single parents or a gay/lesbian couple should only be allowed to adopt children of their own gender.  Boys need male role models!  After the time boys reach the age of about 6, mothers don't have anything to offer them about becoming a man.  On the contrary, most single mothers would rather have their sons become "manginas".

[Garak]

I agree.  Let the sperm dry up.  The whole industry disgusts me, considering that there are so many children waiting to be adopted.  I also think single parents or a gay/lesbian couple should only be allowed to adopt children of their own gender.  Boys need male role models!  After the time boys reach the age of about 6, mothers don't have anything to offer them about becoming a man.  On the contrary, most single mothers would rather have their sons become "manginas".

I don't think same sex couple should be able to adopt at all. I think society needs to come the realization that both the masculine and the feminine are needed to turn out a well balanced adult. Adoption is the only area where they get to screen parents and I say they do it with this in mind.

Same sex couples need to realize that nature intended men and women to procreate, not women and women nor men and men and that is why they cannot have children. If they chose the lifestyle they must take the consequenses that accompy that lifestyle cause nature ain't changing it's mind, now is it?

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I don't think same sex couple should be able to adopt at all. I think society needs to come the realization that both the masculine and the feminine are needed to turn out a well balanced adult.

The issue is not masculine vs. feminine.  That is related to the concept of gender, which is purported to be a social construct.  The concept of gender was invented by radical feminists in an attempt to delink biology (male/female) with mannerisms (masculine/feminine).  A lesbian or gay couple might use your very logic and say, "My partner is the butch one, I'm the femme one.  See?  We have the required masculine/feminine balance."

[Garak]

I don't think same sex couple should be able to adopt at all. I think society needs to come the realization that both the masculine and the feminine are needed to turn out a well balanced adult.

The issue is not masculine vs. feminine.  That is related to the concept of gender, which is purported to be a social construct.  The concept of gender was invented by radical feminists in an attempt to delink biology (male/female) with mannerisms (masculine/feminine).  A lesbian or gay couple might use your very logic and say, "My partner is the butch one, I'm the femme one.  See?  We have the required masculine/feminine balance."

Just because they USE it does not make it true, feminists should have taught you that by now.

Fact is, women overplay the masculine role and end up being MEAN! and men overplay the feminine role as well.

The masculine and the feminine are realities unless you believe that men and women are exactly the same? That would be feminist leaning.

What is your solution exactly? To allow homosexuals to destroy heterosexual marriage? Aren't the feminists doing a good enough job of that on their own without the help of the homosexual couples (whom they do use as a means to an end for obvious reasons).

Folks, stop and think, are not the homosexuals now playing the victim role that feminists have been playing for years? Why then do even MRA's give them a free pass?