Started by K9, May 14, 2007, 06:07 PM
I saw this before. Very cool. One thing I found interesting was the assumption women have that we men chat about them ie we say raunchy things about them. In reality she found we either don't talk about women or we mostly have nice things to say. And the acceptance thing is another aspect. I think men truly do accept more than women do.
Does that mean I'm not a piece of scum then?
I'm in the middle of Norah Vincent's book right now and it's outrageously misogynist on about a million levels. Vincent describes (and uses) strippers and sex workers as dead-souled, revolting, hostile zombies -- she actually calls them "not real women" -- while being a giant apologist for men. The dating chapter was just as bad as the titty bar chapters - check out this scream-worthy paragraph: "Dating women as a man was a lesson in female power, and it made me, of all things, into a momentary misogynist, which, I supose was the best indicator that my experiment had worked. I saw my own sex from the other side, and I disliked women irrationally for a while because of it. I disliked their superiority, their accusatory smiles, their entitlement to choose or dash me with a fingertip, an execution so lazy, so effortless, it made the defeats and even the successes unbearably humiliating. Typical male power feels by comparison like a blunt instrument, its salvos and field strategies laughably remedial next to the damage a woman can do with a single cutting word: no." God forbid women should say "no" to any random dude who wants to have sex with them. What a load of shit! A lot of the book is interesting and I enjoyed (with some horror) the few insights about male bonding and friendship. Unfortunately there wasn't a whole book's worth of them and they were surrounded by stuff that ... really someone needs to take that book apart piece by piece and explain why it sucks so bad. Even more horrifying - the gushingly positive reviews of this book that praise its insight and say how they'll change how you see yourself as a woman. What, to make you hate yourself even more?! Just what we needed.
...she limits her adventures in ways that show more about class distinctions than gender. Vincent's choices throughout the book show she is disdainful of the workaday world and the things ordinary people do to have fun and earn a living. Some of her experiments could have been done without the masquerade but they would have been called "slumming."
Assault, you mentioned her making it into a meeting of the "The Patriarchy." In a way, she did; she went to a Robert Bly style weekend retreat where guys beat drums etc. I think this is hands-down the best chapter.
Well she didn't find the volcano hideout with the giant laser. That's all I was worried about.
Quote from: Mr. X on May 15, 2007, 07:41 AMWell she didn't find the volcano hideout with the giant laser. That's all I was worried about.Is that the one with the mind control thingy that makes women go on starvation diets and inject plastic into their tits?
"Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better," she said. "They need our sympathy. They need our love, and maybe they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together."Ironically, Vincent said, it took experiencing life as a man for her to appreciate being a woman. "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."
Quote from: gwallan on May 15, 2007, 09:04 AMQuote from: Mr. X on May 15, 2007, 07:41 AMWell she didn't find the volcano hideout with the giant laser. That's all I was worried about.Is that the one with the mind control thingy that makes women go on starvation diets and inject plastic into their tits?SSHHHHH!!!!! We'll talk later.... at the "meeting".