Requesting information on 1/3 college rape statistics

[Nillerz]

I can't find any information, though I have seen the evidence against this 'statistic' before...

[woof]

Well, not statistics exactly but this type of hystraical ranting and the fools that believe it is where the problem lies.

APRIL IS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH!

Most people are shocked to find out that April is sexual assault awareness month; but the fact of the matter is that sexual assault is a crime that happens to women everywhere all the time. This April, while you're chowing down on easter candy or spending time with your loved ones, take a moment to rememebr the women in the world--mothers, daughters, aunts, sisters--who aren't so lucky, and the men responsible for it.

Sexual assault comes in many forms! It can be verbal! If a man makes you feel uncomfortable with verbal harassment, it is still sexual assault!

80% of rapes are planned! 75% of rapists are KNOWN TO THE VICTIM! ANY MAN can be a rapist! Fathers, sons, brothers, uncles--they are ALL CAPABLE. A survey of college students showed that 51% of MALE COLLEGE STUDENTS said that THEY WOULD RAPE A WOMAN IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT!!! Remember this the next time you're out on a date or walking alone-- 51 PERCENT! THAT'S MORE THAN HALF! Even if it was a little less, that still means that nearly half, over a third, over a fourth, of men not only are capable of it, but they WANT TO DO IT! THE ONLY THING STOPPING THEM IS FEAR OF GETTING CAUGHT! (M.A. Koss, Hidden Rape: Sexual Aggression and Victimization in a National Sample of Students in Higher Education; A.W. Burgess, Rape and Sexual Assault)

If a woman tells you she's been raped, IT IS TRUE! WOMEN DO NOT LIE ABOUT RAPE! THE FBI say that only 2% of reported cases (80% GO UNREPORTED!) turn out to have had a made up factor.

84% of reported rapes DO NOT RESULT IN A CONVICTION! 88% of rape convictions do not result in incarceration of the rapist. 54% of rapists will be acquitted or have the charges dismissed. 50% of rapists will spend less than a year in prison. 98% of women will see their attacker go free. (Senate Judiciary Report, 1993)

40% of women are afraid to go out at night-- versus 9% of men!!! Take back the night! (McCall's, May 1990-- Mark Warr, Sociologist)

[shiva]

:/ and hence my distrust of statistics. It depends who is using what stats to prove their point, it's far too easily manipulated and misrepresented.

[Mr. Bad]

See the one and only reference in the scare-propanganda offered by woof and you have it:  The now thoroughly-discredited study by Koss, et al.  Not only was the study funded by the Ms. Foundation (exactly like the tobacco companies funding study that showed smoking isn't harmful to health), but the study team was staffed by Ms. Foundation personnel.  This is a fine example of JIJO (junk in = junk out) 'research.' 

There have been numerous good analyses examining how Koss finessed the questionnaire, data, etc., in order to 'discover' her foregone conclusions.  Warren Farrel, Christina Hoff Sommers, and I believe Judith Kleinfeld all did such work.  This is not to say that date rape is not a problem, especially on college campuses, but it's by no means an epidemic.  Most of the time legitimate yearly cases of rape on campus number in the single digits, and in a really bad year might get into the teens, but it's hardly the "one in four," "one in three" or whatever the number du jour that the psycho femzis who peddle this snake oil are quoting lately. 

The fact of the matter is, if there is an epidemic related to rape, it's an epidemic of false allegations of rape. 

[Men's Rights Activist]

http://www.glennsacks.com/research_shows_false.htm
Research Shows False Accusations
of Rape Common
By Marc Angelucci and Glenn Sacks

http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php

About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows
False allegations of rape are believed to be more common than many persons realize. These are the findings of four research studies:

A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.1 Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.2
In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.3
In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5
According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, "in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, "For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%."7

According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can "emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person."10

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html

Is it the new 1-in-4 statistic?

I don't mean the widely-circulated '1-in-4 women will be raped in their lifetime' but a statistic that suggests '1-in-4 accusations of rape are false.'

http://deltabravo.net/custody/tenmyths.php

The Ten Most Common Feminist Myths
Courtesy of the Independent Women's Forum
April 17, 2001


TAKE BACK THE CAMPUS

Are you tired of male-bashing and victimology?
Have you had your fill of feminist "Ms./Information"?
Have you been mislead by factually challenged professors?
TAKE THIS TEST:

Campus feminism is a kind of cult: as early as freshman orientation, professors begin spinning theories about how American women are oppressed under "patriarchy." Here is a list of the most common feminist myths. If you believe two or more of these untruths, you may need deprogramming.


The Ten Most Common Feminist Myths:


1. Myth: One in four women in college has been the victim of rape or attempted rape.

Fact: This mother of all factoids is based on a fallacious feminist study commissioned by Ms. magazine. The researcher, Mary Koss, hand-picked by hard-line feminist Gloria Steinem, acknowledges that 73 percent of the young women she counted as rape victims were not aware they had been raped. Forty-three percent of them were dating their "attacker" again.

Rape is a uniquely horrible crime. That is why we need sober and responsible research. Women will not be helped by hyperbole and hysteria. Truth is no enemy of compassion, and falsehood is no friend.

(Nara Schoenberg and Sam Roe, "The Making of an Epidemic," Toledo Blade, October 10, 1993; and Neil Gilbert, "Examining the Facts: Advocacy Research Overstates the Incidence of Data and Acquaintance Rape," Current Controversies in Family Violence eds. Richard Gelles and Donileen Loseke, Newbury Park, CA.: Sage Publications, 1993, pp.120-132; and Campus Crime and Security, Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, 1997. *According to this study, campus police reported 1,310 forcible sex offenses on U.S. campuses in one year. That works out to an average of fewer than one rape per campus.)

2. Myth: Women earn 75 cents for every dollar a man earns.

Fact: The 75 cent figure is terribly misleading. This statistic is a snapshot of all current full-time workers. It does not consider relevant factors like length of time in the workplace, education, occupation, and number of hours worked per week. (The experience gap is particularly large between older men and women in the workplace.) When economists do the proper controls, the so-called gender wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.

(Essential reading: Women's Figures: An Illustrated Guide to the Economic Progress of Women in America, by Diana Furchtgott-Roth and Christine Stolba, published by the Independent Women's Forum and the American Enterprise Institute, Washington, D.C. 2000.)

3. Myth: 30 percent of emergency room visits by women each year are the result of injuries from domestic violence.

Fact: This incendiary statistic is promoted by gender feminists whose primary goal seems to be to impugn men. Two responsible government studies report that the nationwide figure is closer to one percent. While these studies may have missed some cases of domestic violence, the 30% figure is a wild exaggeration.

(National Center for Health Statistics, National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey: 1992 Emergency Department Summary , Hyattsville, Maryland, March 1997; and U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Violence-Related Injuries Treated in Hospital Emergency Departments: Washington, D.C., August 1997.)


4. Myth: The phrase "rule of thumb" originated in a man's right to beat his wife provided the stick was no wider than his thumb.

Fact: This is an urban legend that is still taken seriously by activist law professors and harassment workshoppers. The Oxford English Dictionary has more than twenty citations for phrase "rule of thumb" (the earliest from 1692), but not a single mention of beatings, sticks, or husbands and wives.

(For a definitive debunking of the hoax see Henry Ansgar Kelly, "Rule of Thumb and the Folklaw of the Husband's Stick," The Journal of Legal Education, September 1994.)

5. Myth: Women have been shortchanged in medical research.

Fact: The National Institutes of Health and drug companies routinely include women in clinical trials that test for effectiveness of medications. By 1979, over 90% of all NIH-funded trials included women. Beginning in 1985, when the NIH's National Cancer Center began keeping track of specific cancer funding, it has annually spent more money on breast cancer than any other type of cancer. Currently, women represent over 60% of all subjects in NIH-funded clinical trails.

(Essential reading: Cathy Young and Sally Satel, "The Myth of Gender Bias in Medicine," Washington, D.C.: The Women's Freedom Network, 1997.)

6.Myth: Girls have been shortchanged in our gender-biased schools

Fact: No fair-minded person can review the education data and conclude that girls are the have-nots in our schools. Boys are slightly ahead of girls in math and science; girls are dramatically ahead in reading and writing. (The writing skills of 17-year-old boys are at the same level as 14-year- old girls.) Girls get better grades, they have higher aspirations, and they are more likely to go to college.

(See: Trends in Educational Equity of Girls & Women, Washington, D. C.: U.S. Department of Education, June 2000.)

7. Myth: "Our schools are training grounds for sexual harassment... boys are rarely punished, while girls are taught that it is their role to tolerate this humiliating conduct."

(National Organization of Women, "Issue Report: Sexual Harassment," April 1998.)

Fact: "Hostile Hallways," is the best-known study of harassment in grades 8-11. It was commissioned by the American Association of University Women (AAUW) in 1993, and is a favorite of many harassment experts. But this survey revealed that girls are doing almost as much harassing as the boys. According to the study, "85 percent of girls and 76 percent of boys surveyed say they have experienced unwanted and unwelcome sexual behavior that interferes with their lives."

(Four scholars at the University of Michigan did a careful follow-up study of the AAUW data and concluded: "The majority of both genders (53%) described themselves as having been both victim and perpetrator of harassment -- that is most students had been harassed and had harassed others." And these researchers draw the right conclusion: "Our results led us to question the simple perpetrator-victim model...")(See: American Education Research Journal, Summer 1996.)

8. Myth: Girls suffer a dramatic loss of self-esteem during adolescence.

Fact: This myth of the incredible shrinking girls was started by Carol Gilligan, professor of gender studies at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Gilligan has always enjoyed higher standing among feminist activists and journalists than among academic research psychologists. Scholars who follow the protocols of social science do not accept the reality of an adolescent "crisis" of confidence and "loss of voice." In 1993, American Psychologist reported the new consensus among researchers in adolescent development: "It is now known that the majority of adolescents of both genders successfully negotiate this developmental period without any major psychological or emotional disorder [and] develop a positive sense of personal identity."

(Anne C. Petersen et al. "Depression in Adolescence," American Psychologist February 1993; see also, Daniel Offer, and Kimberly Schonert-Reichl, "Debunking the Myths of Adolescence: Findings from Recent Research," Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, November 1992.)

9. Myth: Gender is a social construction.

Fact: While environment and socialization do play a significant role in human life, a growing body of research in neuroscience, endocrinology, and psychology over the past 40 years suggests there is a biological basis for many sex differences in aptitudes and preferences. In general, males have better spatial reasoning skills; females better verbal skills. Males are greater risk takers; females are more nurturing.

Of course, this does not mean that women should be prevented from pursuing their goals in any field they choose; what it does suggest is that we should not expect parity in all fields. More women than men will continue to want to stay at home with small children and pursue careers in fields like early childhood education or psychology; men will continue to be over-represented in fields like helicopter mechanics and hydraulic engineering.

Warning: Most gender scholars in our universities have degrees in fields like English or comparative literature--not biology or neuroscience. These self-appointed experts on sexuality are scientifically illiterate. They substitute dogma and propaganda for reasoned scholarship.

(For a review of recent findings on sex differences see a special issue of The Scientific American "Men: The Scientific Truth," Fall 2000.)


10. Myth: Women's Studies Departments empowered women and gave them a voice in the academy.

Fact: Women's Studies empowered a small group of like-minded careerists. They have created an old-girl network that is far more elitist, narrow and closed than any of the old-boy networks they rail against. Vast numbers of moderate or dissident women scholars have been marginalized, excluded and silenced.

(Essential reading: everything by Camille Paglia; Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge--Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies; and Christina Hoff Sommers--Who Stole Feminism? How Women have Betrayed Women)


**Should you encounter an item of Ms/information in one of your classes, in a textbook, or a women's center "fact" sheet, let us know. We will print it on our campus website, SheThinks.org, correct it with accurate information, and politely inform the source of the mistake.

We are a women's group dedicated to restoring reason, common sense and open discussion to the campus.

[shiva]

8. Myth: Girls suffer a dramatic loss of self-esteem during adolescence.

I'd argue that point because children of both genders typically experience a great loss of self-esteem at that point. (Assuming "that point" is somewhere around puberty)...?

That's when normal girls and boys become aware that they aren't in that miniature minority of 'perfect' girls and boys that Hollywood places on such a high pedestal. Some kids know it's just the movies and the media, some kids break themselves trying to be that, and the rest of them feel at least a little less wonderful. I think it has more to do with reality knocking on their mental doors for the first time. As far as I'm concerned, a more realistic view of oneself (and therefore more critical) is a natural part of reaching/approaching adulthood, and there is almost always some loss of self-esteem with that.

Hormonal kids don't make the most logical study material when questioning why they feel less worthy or whatever. I know it's got it's good points but it's still a floaty target demographic.   

[woof]

84% of reported rapes DO NOT RESULT IN A CONVICTION! 88% of rape convictions do not result in incarceration of the rapist. 54% of rapists will be acquitted or have the charges dismissed.
Woman don't lie about rape, therefore he is guilty even if he is found inocent. 
Reported=guilty
Acquitted=guilty

This line of thinking is being taught at our colleges and Universities, amazing! 

"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release." (Germaine Greer)

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." (Catherine Comin, Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students).

  "All men are rapists and that's all they are." (Marilyn French, Author; and advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign)

  "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." Scum Manifesto. (Valerie Solanas)

  "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." (Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor)

[dr e]

8. Myth: Girls suffer a dramatic loss of self-esteem during adolescence.

I'd argue that point because children of both genders typically experience a great loss of self-esteem at that point. (Assuming "that point" is somewhere around puberty)...?

Shiva do you have anything to back up that idea or is this simply your assumption?

[shiva]

Everything I've ever learnt/read/heard about puberty or around that age. All the information I've ever come across on the subject. No links, sorry.

[dr e]

Everything I've ever learnt/read/heard about puberty or around that age. All the information I've ever come across on the subject. No links, sorry.

Aha.  Sounds like you have relied solely on Carol Gilligan for your information.     You might want to diversify your reading a bit.  Just about every other researcher outside of Gilliagan (and calling her a researcher is quite a stretch) shows that there is  no huge drop in self-esteem in girls around puberty.  It's a feminist myth that drones on to this day and is proliferated by people like yourself.

Are you one of those inhabitants of Gilligans Island? 

[shiva]

@ dr e:

Aha.  Sounds like you have relied solely on Carol Gilligan for your information.

Never even heard of her, let alone read any book she might have written.

Several people here will never understand the rather simple things I'm saying because they insist on viewing me through erroneous and incorrect assumptions of their choice.

You might want to diversify your reading a bit.

You might want to step outside your comfort zone and actually read what I write before you reply. Once you've read it you might want to keep it in mind as you concoct your reply. Once you've completed your reply you might want to double-check that you read what I wrote with an open mind, clear of the debris of 'feminist!' assumptions. Then we'll have an clean, neutral ground upon which to converse. Your continued delusion that I am a feminist is not only unproven bullshit, but offensive. I've already made sure you know that, so that would mean you're baiting for a flame-war. 

[The Gonzman]

Your continued delusion that I am a feminist is not only unproven bullshit, but offensive. I've already made sure you know that, so that would mean you're baiting for a flame-war. 

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ... as many people here who have observed that your rhetoric is feminist, you might want to check your premises.

And attacking the Board Owner.  Nice move, that.  Setting yourself up for a ban so you can stomp off in a snit, and play the martyr?

[dr e]

@ dr e:

Aha.  Sounds like you have relied solely on Carol Gilligan for your information.

Never even heard of her, let alone read any book she might have written.

Several people here will never understand the rather simple things I'm saying because they insist on viewing me through erroneous and incorrect assumptions of their choice.

You might want to diversify your reading a bit.

You might want to step outside your comfort zone and actually read what I write before you reply. Once you've read it you might want to keep it in mind as you concoct your reply. Once you've completed your reply you might want to double-check that you read what I wrote with an open mind, clear of the debris of 'feminist!' assumptions. Then we'll have an clean, neutral ground upon which to converse. Your continued delusion that I am a feminist is not only unproven bullshit, but offensive. I've already made sure you know that, so that would mean you're baiting for a flame-war. 

Shiva - First off, please show me where I called you a feminist.  I didn't.  You might want to start by taking a spoonful or two of your own medicine and actully reading what is posted.  What I said was that people like you proliferate erroneous data.  That is a fact.  Just look at your post and you will easily see that you opined about the drop off of self-esteem in children.  I asked you to back it up and you didn't.  Seems like a little crow would have been a better response from you or at least a question or two about what the present research does say.  And so it goes.

Now let's do a checklist:

1. Spreads misinformation publically.  CHECK!

2.  Refuses to (or cannot) back up said information.  CHECK!

3.  Goes into personal attacks when questioned.  CHECK!

4.  Portrays self as VICTIM.  CHECK!

These are all the expected responses of feminists.  Now I won't say that you ARE a feminist but I will say that you sure show similar behaviors.  CHECK!

[Virtue]

/brings popcorn

[Mr. Bad]

@ dr e:
Your continued delusion that I am a feminist is not only unproven bullshit, but offensive. I've already made sure you know that, so that would mean you're baiting for a flame-war. 

Gonz already pointed out the "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" angle on this so I'll address the "offensive" angle:  Frankly shiva, if you're offended by people challenging your bullshit, then too damn bad.  Our world is already filled with far too much politically correct fascism perped against innocent men all in the name of some woman or member of another politically correct preferred identity group who is "offended."  The Constitution does not guarantee against being offended, so when confronted with plain, honest and valid questioning you can either suck it up and deal with it like an adult or you can go off and sulk like one of the above-named members of politically correct identity groups.

We don't abide by censorship around here and don't warn and ban people simply because somebody else is "offended" by what they say.  If you want that kind of space I suggest you visit a feminist site.