Hey Gonz...

Started by The Biscuit Queen, Jun 05, 2007, 09:38 AM

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The Biscuit Queen

First of all, I told my friend Rosanne about your parenting skills- the "pull a bill out of the hat and pay it" bit. You are now her official hero!

This is an open question, but I am especially interested in your perspective on this.

My older son is 16. His room is destroyed.  By destroyed I mean 3 feet high the entire room across with crap. He has two clear spots 6"x6" to step to get to his bed and closet, which doesn't really open now due to crap in front of it.  I have asked him numerous times to clean it up as he has allergies, and it seems a fire hazzard to me. He HATES anyone being in his room or touching his stuff. I have spend years trying to teach him how to organize things and work a little at a time, and other ways to manage to no avail. He loves stuff, he loves to collect it, and he hates getting rid of anything.

Well, I started hoeing out today. Two garbage bags are full (of mostly plain old garbage), three hours later, and I am about 1/2 way done. This is where I run out of steam. I have a hard time throwing out what is important to him, so I try to start sorting and organizing, so that he can keep stuff.

What would Gonzo do?

Get a backhoe and a dumpster?

Light it all on fire?

Help?

Oh, and can I say that my son has more porn in his room than an adult book store! And it is all hand drawn.....no mother should have to know that much!

he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

gentlegiant

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Jun 05, 2007, 09:44 AM Last Edit: Jun 05, 2007, 10:03 AM by gentlegiant
My two scents...

Ask him about the porn...he will be so embarrased he'll never want you in his room again and he will keep it clean to keep you out of it...

BTW...All (most anyway) 16 yo boys have porn in their rooms...it may not all be hand drawn ( a nice touch I might add)...


And it could be worse....

http://www.cnn.com/video/offbeat/2007/05/28/burton.or.pgis.loose.at.home.kgw/content.html
Falsely accused and maliciously prosecuted.

The Biscuit Queen

I wish it were so easy.

I did this about 6 months ago...found a lot of porn, picked on him about it....


and here we are again.

The thing is, I thought exactly what you did-that he would be so mortified it would keep him from letting it happen again.

Also, I threw most of it away, so this is all new drawings in the last 6 months.

I had no idea how horny boys really are!

Yes, it is true I have found no live pigs yet.......

he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

The Gonzman

Gonz's rules on rooms were:

No filth, and by filth I meant food scraps, etc.  Any food eaten in rooms had the dishes out that night.  Failure to do so would result in a loss of food privileges in rooms.

All dirty clothes in a basket/hamper.  All clean clothes put up.  When I ask you to put clothes up, "Now" is implied.  If I meant a half hour from now, I'd have waited until a half hour from now to ask you to do it.

Closets and under the bed are included in "Clean your room."

Only furniture and rugs go on the floor.

Dusting and vacuuming once a week.

Sheets changed, once a week.

I pay the bills.  It's my house.  That's my room - not yours.  It is your QUARTERS.  It is subject to entry and inspection when I see fit, for any reason.  If you put a lock on anything, it will be opened and inspected on general principles.

You are a child.  You have no right to privacy. Having your door closed is a privilege, not a right.  Private phone calls are a privilege, not a right.  Use of the internet in your room is a privilege, not a right. I am/was the administrator on any computer (a) belonging to anyone under 18, or (b) hooked to my network.

I will ask once, tell twice, and do it myself in lieu of a third time - maybe.  I might just do it right away. If I have to clean up, I will do it my way.  If I throw anything important away, tough shit.  Once I throw it away, it stays in the trash.  If you don't want me in the room, keep it clean.

If I have to do any of your chores, you are grounded for a week - no phone or internet (And I cut it off at the switch).  If you complain about it, it goes to two weeks.  Do I hear three?


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All in all, though - it isn't important WHAT my rules were, though. What is important is this:

X is the expected behavior
Y is the consequences
if not X, then Y

No negotiations, no tears, no pleading, no appeal, and no parole or probation.  Period.  If I say "Grounded for two weeks," wham.  And you do the full sentence.  Any violation of the terms started it all over again.  Do not make threats you are not willing to follow up on, do not open it for discussion, and do not tolerate disrespect.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman

Oh - as for me, I'd do this with him - did it to my daughter once.

Stripped her room down to bed, hamper, and dresser.  The only thing she had was her clothes.  Since she had no alarm, she got up with me.  Her room time was limited to changing and sleeping.

Everything else got EARNED back.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

bluedye

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Jun 05, 2007, 10:32 AM Last Edit: Jun 05, 2007, 10:36 AM by bluedye
Trying to remove porn from a 16 year old's life will only make him work harder to hide it.

It's not going to stop him.  ...& I'm not sure it's healthy to try.

It's interesting that he's resorted to the "hand drawn" variety.  Is it because you've blocked the internet porn in the house?

Nature is relentless.   The more pressure you apply to change it, the more paths it will find to remain as it is.

I'm sorry if that's coming off as confrontational... I just put myself in his shoes & if my mom tried to get rid of my porn at 16, I'd never forgive her!    (:

HER body, HER choice...  HIS responsibility?

gentlegiant

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It's interesting that he's resorted to the "hand drawn" variety.


If he's anything like me [and I assume most healthy (ahem) 16 yo boys],  he's so obsessed with naked women that he cant do much of anything else...

If only I could draw when I was 16 I would have done the same thing...
Falsely accused and maliciously prosecuted.

The Biscuit Queen

Porn- yes we have filters online, there is just too much heavy, sick stuff on the internet and we have an 11 year old to think about. If all he could get was soft stuff we would not worry.  We do not ban drawings or mags, but if I have to clean his room-if I have to look at it-in the trash it goes. We do not punish him for having it.

I know it is normal, I am pretty much just rolling my eyes and saying ewww-I am not really upset about it. I just do not want to have to think about that my son is looking at it.

I understand your concerns, and rest assured I am not trying to squash his sexuality.



Gonz, THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU! I am printing this out. I will hang a copy on the bathroom mirror to remind he and I of the rules.


We do not allow computers in rooms, and Dave is Lord and Admin over all things technological in the house. No locks on anything children have, and I reserve the right to go in when I want. But I love the idea of those are his quarters-my room. Great! I think I am going to get the broom and dustpan out now.


I am too wishy washy. Thanks for the backbone support.



he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

devia

Thanks Gonz,


Learning to pick up for yourself should come with toilet training.

On the otherhand it's tricky to teach you kids that.



The Biscuit Queen

It is even harder when you are not an organized person either.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Cordell Walker


It is even harder when you are not an organized person either.


Just consider that if at age 16, his room and porn are real concerns; you've probably done a pretty good job. I know by 16 my mom had gbigger concerns(as did most of my buddis mom's)
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

Thomas

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I had no idea how horny boys really are!


I've heard about studies showing that males on average think about sex every fifteen minutes or every twenty minutes. Hell, I remember exactly how many times I thought about sex every day as a teenager.

ONCE!
We Are Self-Exterminating Through The Collapse Of Fertility Rates.
The Death of Birth.
Fertility Rates Magazine.

Cordell Walker


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I had no idea how horny boys really are!


I've heard about studies showing that males on average think about sex every fifteen minutes or every twenty minutes. Hell, I remember exactly how many times I thought about sex every day as a teenager.

ONCE!


I dont think that boys are just all that horny; well they are but a lot of the porn/jackoff fixation is because of  boredem and the  oversexualizaation of pop culture
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

stands2p

I am a lifelong slob myself so here is another angle:

I was on a camping trip with a youth program when I was a surly teenager and one of the counselors observed that my stuff was scattered all over the campsite.  I was ready for the usual lecture about how I should be so ashamed to be such a slob and how unfair it was to everybody else but the counselor was smart enough to put it in terms of what was in it for me.  He said "an inch of snow would ruin you." and walked off, end of discussion.

I  got my stuff rounded up since snow was a possibility and it did snow that night.  Some of the other guys were scrambling around the next morning trying to find their shit before we hit the trail.  The lesson stuck with me pretty well.

Ask your son what he would do if he had to pack up his things and move to another room on short notice.  Ask him what he would do if there were some kind of emergency and he had to grab the one or two things that were most important to him and run for his life.

Packing up everything in his room and having him earn back the privillege of keeping a room in YOUR home would do a great job of reinforcing these concepts.

The Lord works in strange ways; and with strange people.

The Biscuit Queen

Great story, s2p,  love those life lessons. I am a born messy, and have been really working over the last 15 years to build better habits. I have improved immensely, but still am not what one would call anal.

I think that is a great idea, to ask him about packing up or having to move things quickly. Maybe thinking about if his room is smoky, hot, and he has to run,  being able to find his cat in a split second would be a good motivation.

I was all set to stow it all. Went up there and found a note to his friend, they write back and forth on a paper during study hall. He jokes about drugs sometimes, but when she said she tried smoking dope and asked him if he did, he was pretty derogetory towards stoners, and said he gets high on life and does not need drugs.  :love5:

This is why I am such a wishy washy....I am so proud of that, I am ready to give in a little on the room.

I told him when he came home from school he has three choices. One, he cleans the rest before tomorrow, then I finish what he fails to get done; two I clean it tomorrow; three we clean it up together.

I think we will start there. I will give him this clean start, telling him if he fails to keep it cleaned up on a weekly basis then we will go to bare bones. Is that too wishy washy?

Oh, I just relayed your example, s2p, and it made him pause.....this is good.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

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