A couple of questions and statements

Started by Liquid Sunshine, Oct 14, 2003, 10:57 PM

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Anniee36

Well everyone sees that much now, UR.   What some still think is that it's someone who BELIEVES she is a feminist but has old-fashioned ideas about feminism meaning simply equality.    Rather than the more obvious; that it's all bogus heh.
on't walk ahead of me, I may not follow.   Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk beside me either.  Stay the hell away from me!

Anniee36

Ur, I am freaking APPALLED by what it just cost me, my husband and two kids to have ONE lousy meal at Pizzeria Uno.  My. God.  I had no idea.   I knew we should have gone to Jose Tejas and had cajun  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
on't walk ahead of me, I may not follow.   Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk beside me either.  Stay the hell away from me!

URnotmeRU

Uno has some awesome pie, though! Yea, it's like 99 , that place is expensive and it sucks woodpecker eggs! :evil:
nd the time will come when you'll see we're all one and life flows on, within you and without you. - George Harrison

Liquid Sunshine

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Well, FEM; I wouldn't bet on that too hard.   Pretending to be a feminist is a bit different than mistakenly calling yourself one.   That she isn't is perfectly clear, granted.   What is still not agreed upon is whether it was a matter of an honest mistake or a willful deceit for a specific purpose.  I know where my vote is cast on that.


Paranoid much?   :roll:

I know what you think of me and my particular view on feminism and I don't give two figs.

Of course according to you I can't be a feminist because it doesn't fall within your guidelines.  What-fucking-ever.

You guys can sit there and make your assumptions about what I am and what I am not.  I know where I sit on the political compass.  To me it really isn't up for debate.  So go ahead and make your judgements.  Stick a label on me if you wish to.  I really don't have any control of what you think, nor would I care to.

All I know is if that is what makes you happy then label away.  I am quite content just to go about my business.

URnotmeRU

Be patient, remember, you came here making assumptions.
nd the time will come when you'll see we're all one and life flows on, within you and without you. - George Harrison

DavidByron

This is kind of off-topic but.....

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Paranoid much?


The background here is that a lot of people do come here pretending they are someone else.  You should probably just ignore these remarks since -- if you are not pretending -- they are not aimed at you.  It's probably hard to see the remarks as not personal, but that would be best.

Of course according to you I can't be a feminist because it doesn't fall within your guidelines. What-fucking-ever.

Well that's actually a compliment.  They are saying you don't seem to be enough a misandronist bigoted bitch to be a feminist.  Get it?  For what it's worth the feminists at Ms are saying the same thing.  I mean would you be insulted if someone told you that you don't seem to be a misandrist bigoted bitch?  this is a translation problem here because to you the word "feminist" means something different.  Incidentally it is you that has the unrealistic and less factually correct impression of the word, but I will grant you that you have the more commonly understood meaning.  However when in Rome .....  you need to take into account the word means something else here not try and chastise everyone here for using the word differently (and more accurately).

You guys can sit there and make your assumptions about what I am and what I am not. I know where I sit on the political compass. To me it really isn't up for debate. So go ahead and make your judgements. Stick a label on me if you wish to. I really don't have any control of what you think, nor would I care to.

Anniee says you are not on trial but you are actually, and I think that's something you knew would happen when you came to a board that you thought of as anti-feminist (correctly) and declared you were a feminist.  So I don't apologise for these questions because you knew what you were getting into there (and it doesn't have to be negative anyway).

(I do apologise for all the questions about whether you are a real person or someone pretending -- you should just ignore all that).

Now back on topic.

You accuse us of sticking a label on you, but that is what you set up when you came here.  You put forward your label of "feminist" and then you claimed to have a political viewpoint that contrasted with feminism (equality).  You've agreed that the feminist movement is not about treating men and women equally - you've said it would be ridiculous to claim that feminists don't treat women better, so you set up this contention.

Some of this is just about labels.  The different meaning you seem to have for the word "feminist".  That is not the interesting part but it obscures what is going on.  Putting a positive association on a group is to support that group and endorse its true behaviour.  To you "feminism" is something good, but you recognise that feminism has a bias towards women.  So you have some explaining to do.  And I think your statement that you know where you sit on the political compass may also be false.  Self-knowledge is not easy; not that easy anyway.  I am not sensing clarity in your attitude here.  You have loyalties which are diametrically opposed to some other stated beliefs.

Now possibly you are clear on this and you just haven't been clear in communicating what you beleive.  Do you see why what you are saying is confusing?  This goes back to the chocolate cake / cheese cake thing.

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Why do I not call myself an egalitarian? Well I do.


Yes, but not in the same sense that you call yourself a feminist, right?  it's not an identity.  

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I will be perfectly honest. I had to think about this long and hard DavidByron. My first response was that I don't. But then I really wanted to dig a little deeper to see if perhaps I do have some subconscious leanings in that direction. And in some things I do. Some things. But then as a whole, I feel very confident in saying that my overall goal in issues is to see that fairness rules the day.


Alrighty then, could you name what you had in mind when you said "in some things I do"?
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FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

LS-

"Why do I not call myself an egalitarian? Well I do. In fact, I would say that that is my over riding principle in my approach to things. But I do think that feminism and masculinism are necessary things. Although men and women share many similarities, there are inherent differences between the two sexes."

Perhaps you dont understand the real meanings of "feminism" and "masculinism". Both are opposites of egalitarianism since they are inherently biased in favor of the group they define.

"While egalitarianism is a fine principle and of the utmost importance, I don't realistically think that we can expect it to represent gender specific issues in a manner that will deal fairly with the gender the issue is relevant to."

Well whatever the solution lets omit Feminism and Masculinism as they are currently practiced. The problem I have with them is that they are inherently authoritarian and zero-sum, as well as sexist. There are other mutual solutions to our differences that dont necessarily require these extremes.
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We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
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