Study: 30% of mothers and 40% of fathers are abused during a pregnancy

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Take that last sentence, insert the word women every time you see men and if you are honest you will see I'm only holding you to the standard you will set for me.


What you are proposing is lying about the statistics, which is something I'll just leave to you and the gender feminists.  VAWA was begun with lies, the big one being the Super Bowl Sunday Myth by notorious, man-hating, abuser, CA state Senator Sheila Kuehl.  Her Super Bowl Sunday lie was a signifant part of getting VAWA passed in the 1st place and has been refuted many, many times, but the gender feminist lie still lives on.  CA assemblywoman Rebbecca Cohn repeated the lie a few years ago on her web site after the lie had been completely debunked.  That's just how corrupt and evil the domestic violence industry in CA and Amerika is today.
Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

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Yeah I did make a mistake trying to respond to each poster.  It's silly how you guys swarmed because someone spoke up about the violence done to pregnant women.


Fuck your pregnat women.

Me, me, me.  Us, us, us.  It's always about women.

To wit:

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You can not expect to be taken seriously when you complain about male abuse being ignored when you choose to ignore just how big the issue of domestic violence really is.  It affects not only the spouse being abused but is carried on to the next generation as well.


Yeah,m that's fucking right, isn't it, Feminazi Troll?  Until we bow down and kiss the alabaster ass of the feminine and grovel at "how much worse women have it in each and every way"  and cave to your petulant demands to fix women's problems FIRST.

F.O.A.D.  The latter part of the twentieth century has been your turn.  It's ours now.  You have NOW, NARAL, Women's this, Commission that, Network the other, and now you come here and demand we dilute our efforts to men by giving half - or more - to you AGAIN, put our concerns on the back burner AGAIN - and all when your sex as a whole has pretty much done jack shit for us for fifty years or more.

Bite me.

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But what the heck.  You aren't going to listen.  When someone confronts you with the facts you just call them a troll among other names and then complain if you are challenged in the least; at least by someone you have decided is a female.  Because goodness know a male could never disagree with you.  You would only label them as sell outs anyway.


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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman



Try working with real data that is back up by references and let's see if you can avoid the men's rights propagandist.



Real data: Feminist Propaganda.

Try here
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman

Here's some links for ya.  Shove these in your pipe and smoke 'em.
Aizenman, M., & Kelley, G. (1988).  The incidence of violence and acquaintance rape in dating relationships among college men and women.  Journal of College Student Development, 29, 305-311.  (A sample of actively dating college students <204 women and 140 men> responded to a survey examining courtship violence.  Authors report that there were no significant differences between the sexes in self reported perpetration of physical abuse.)

     Archer, J. (2000).  Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review.  Psychological Bulletin, 126, 651-680. (Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression indicate that women were more likely than men to "use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently."  In terms of injuries, women were somewhat more likely to be injured, and analyses reveal that  62% of those injured were women.)

    Archer, J. (2002).  Sex differences in physically aggressive acts between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review.  Aggression and Violent Behavior, 7, 213-351.  (Analyzing responses to the Conflict Tactic Scale and using a data set somewhat different from the previous 2000 publication, the author reports that women are more likely than men to throw something at their partners, as well as slap, kick, bite, punch and hit with an object.  Men were more likely than women to strangle, choke, or beat up their partners.)

     Archer, J., & Ray, N. (1989).  Dating violence in the United Kingdom: a preliminary study.  Aggressive Behavior, 15, 337-343. (Twenty three dating couples completed the Conflict Tactics scale.  Results indicate that women were significantly more likely than their male partners to express physical violence.  Authors also report that, "measures of partner agreement were high" and that the correlation between past and present violence was low.)

      Arias, I., Samios, M., & O'Leary, K. D. (1987).  Prevalence and correlates of physical aggression during courtship. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2, 82-90. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale with a sample of 270 undergraduates <95 men, 175 women> and found 30% of men and 49% of women reported using some form of  aggression in their dating histories with a greater percentage of women engaging in severe physical aggression.)

     Arias, I., & Johnson, P. (1989).  Evaluations of physical  aggression among intimate dyads.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 4, 298-307. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale-CTS- with a sample of 103 male and 99 female undergraduates. Both men and women had similar experience with dating violence, 19% of women and 18% of men admitted being physically aggressive.  A significantly greater percentage of women thought self-defense was a legitimate reason for men to be aggressive,  while a greater percentage of men thought slapping was a legitimate response for a man or woman if their partner was sexually unfaithful.)

    Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004).  Adolescent dating violence.  Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps?  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184.  (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13.  Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two.  For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two.  In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.

    Basile, S. (2004).  Comparison of abuse by same and opposite-gender litigants as cited in requests for abuse prevention orders.  Journal of Family Violence, 19, 59-68.  (Author examined court documents in Massachusetts for the year 1997 and found that, "male and female defendants, who were the subject of a complaint in domestic relations cases, while sometimes exhibiting different aggressive tendencies, measured almost equally abusive in terms of the overall level of psychological and physical aggression.)

    Bernard, M. L., & Bernard, J. L. (1983).  Violent intimacy: The family as a model for love relationships.  Family Relations, 32, 283-286.  (Surveyed 461 college students, 168 men, 293 women, with regard to dating violence.  Found that 15% of the men admitted to physically abusing their partners, while 21% of women admitted to physically abusing their partners.)

    Billingham, R. E., & Sack, A. R. (1986).  Courtship violence and the interactive status of the relationship.  Journal of Adolescent Research, 1, 315-325.  (Using CTS with  526 university students <167 men, 359 women> found Similar rates of mutual violence but with women reporting higher rates of violence initiation when partner had not--9% vs 3%.)

     Bland, R., & Orne, H. (1986).  Family violence and psychiatric disorder.  Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 31, 129-137. (In interviews with 1,200 randomly selected Canadians <489 men, 711 women> found that women both engaged in and initiated violence at higher rates than their male partners.)

     Bohannon, J. R., Dosser Jr., D. A., & Lindley, S. E. (1995). Using couple data to determine domestic violence rates: An attempt to replicate previous work.  Violence and Victims, 10, 133-41. (Authors report that in a sample of 94 military couples 11% of wives and 7% of husbands were physically aggressive, as reported by the wives.)

    Bookwala, J. (2002). The role of own and perceived partner attachment in relationship aggression. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 17, 84-100. (In a sample of 161 undergraduates, 34.3% of women <n=35> reported being victims of partner aggression compared to 55.9% <n=33> of men.)

     Bookwala, J., Frieze, I. H., Smith, C., & Ryan, K. (1992). Predictors of dating violence: A multi variate analysis. Violence and Victims, 7, 297-311.  (Used CTS with 305 college students <227 women, 78 men> and found that 133 women and 43 men experienced violence in a current or recent dating relationship.  Authors reports that "women reported the expression of as much or more violence in their relationships as men."  While most violence in relationships appears to be mutual--36% reported by women, 38% by men-- women report initiating violence with non violent partners more frequently than men <22% vs 17%>).

    Brinkerhoff, M., & Lupri, E. (1988).  Interspousal violence. Canadian Journal of Sociology, 13, 407-434. (Examined Interspousal violence in a representative sample of 562 couples in Calgary, Canada. Used Conflict Tactics Scale and found twice as much wife-to-husband as husband-to-wife severe violence <10.7% vs 4.8%>.  The overall violence rate for husbands was 10.3% while the overall violence rate for wives was 13.2%. Violence was significantly higher in younger and childless couples. Results suggest that male violence decreased with higher educational attainment, while female violence increased.)

    Brown, G. (2004).  Gender as a factor in the response of the law-enforcement system to violence against partners.  Sexuality and Culture, 8, (3-4), 3-139.  (Summarizes partner violence data from the 1999 Canadian General Social Survey <GSS>.  The GSS is based on a representative sample of 25,876 persons.  Overall in the 12-month period preceding the survey, an estimated 3% Canadian women and 2% of Canadian men reported experiencing violence from their partners.  During the 5 year period from 1995-1999, an estimated 8% of Canadian women and 7% of Canadian men reported violence from their partners.  Reviewed police and legal responses to partner violence in Edmonton, Canada and concludes that ". . . men who are involved in disputes with their partners, whether as alleged victims or as alleged offenders or both, are disadvantaged and treated less favorably than women by the law-enforcement system at almost every step.")

    Brush, L. D. (1990). Violent Acts and injurious outcomes in    married couples: Methodological issues in the National Survey of Families and Households.  Gender & Society, 4, 56-67. (Used the Conflict Tactics scale in a large national survey, n=5,474, and found that women engage in same amount of spousal violence as men.)

    Brutz, J., & Ingoldsby, B. B. (1984). Conflict resolution in Quaker families.  Journal of Marriage and the Family, 46, 21-26.  (Used Conflict Tactics Scale with a sample of 288 Quakers <130 men, 158 women> and found a slightly higher rate of female to male violence <15.2%> than male to female violence <14.6%>.)

    Burke, P. J., Stets, J. E., & Pirog-Good, M. A. (1988).  Gender identity, self-esteem, and physical and sexual abuse in dating relationships.  Social Psychology Quarterly, 51, 272-285.  (A sample of 505 college students <298 women, 207 men> completed the CTS.  Authors reports that they found "no significant difference between men and women in reporting inflicting or sustaining physical abuse."  Specifically, within a one year period they found that 14% of the men and 18% of the women reported inflicting physical abuse, while 10% of the men and 14% of the women reported sustaining physical abuse.)

    Caetano, R., Schafter, J., Field, C., & Nelson, S. M. (2002).  Agreement on reports of intimate partner violence among white, Black, and Hispanic couples in the United States.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 17, 1308-1322.  (A probability sample of 1635 couples was interviewed and assessed with the CTS.  Agreement concerning intimate partner violence was about 40%, with no differences reported across ethnicities.  Women significantly reported perpetrating more partner violence than men in all three ethnic groups.)

    Callahan, M. R., Tolman, R. M., & Saunders, D. G. (2003).  Adolescent dating violence victimization and psychological well-being.  Journal of Adolescent Research, 18(6), 664-681.  (Subjects were 190 high school students <53% male; 47% female; approximately 50% African-American> who completed a modified version of the CTS2.  In terms of injuries, 22% of girls and 17% of boys reported being injured by their dating partners.  Note this difference was nonsignificant.)

    Capaldi, D. M. & Crosby, L. (1997).  Observed and reported psychological and physical aggression in young, at-risk couples.  Social Development, 6, 184-206.  (A sample of 118 young men and their dating partners were surveyed regarding their own physical aggression as well as that of their partners.  Findings reveal that 31% of men and 36% of women engaged "in an act of physical aggression against their current partner.")

    Capaldi, D. M, Kim, H. K., & Shortt, J. W. (2004).  Women's involvement in aggression in young adult romantic relationships.  In M. Putallaz and K. L. Bierman (Eds.).  Aggression, Antisocial Behavior, and Violence Among Girls (pp. 223-241).  New York: Guildford Press.  (A review chapter which reports on data obtained from Oregon Youth Study and Couples Study.  Authors conclude that "Young women were observed to initiate physical aggression toward their partners more frequently than were the young men."  And "the relative prevalence of frequent physical aggression by women and of injury and fear for men was surprisingly high.")

    Capaldi, D. M. & Owen, L. D. (2001).  Physical aggression in a community sample of at-risk young couples: Gender comparisons for high frequency, injury, and fear.  Journal of Family Psychology, 15 (3), 425-440.  Drawn from a community based at-risk sample, 159 young couples were assessed with the Conflict Tactics scale and measures of self reported injuries.  Findings indicated that 9.4% of men and 13.2% of women perpetrated frequent physical aggression toward their partners.  Contrary to expectations, 13% of men and 9% of women, indicated that they were physically injured at least once.  Authors report "2% of the men and none of the women indicate that they had been hurt by their partners between five and nine times."

    Carlson, B. E. (1987).  Dating violence: a research review and comparison with spouse abuse.  Social Casework, 68, 16-23.  (Reviews research on dating violence and finds that men and women are equally likely to aggress against their partners and that "the frequency of aggressive acts is inversely related to the likelihood of their causing physical injury.")

    Carney, M., Buttell, F., & Dutton, D. (in press).  Women who perpetrate intimate partner violence: A review of the literature with recommendations for treatment.  Aggression and Violent Behavior.  (An excellent review of the literature on women who perpetrate violence in intimate relationships.  Also summarizes intervention programs for such women.)

     Carrado, M., George, M. J., Loxam, E., Jones, L., & Templar, D. (1996).  Aggression in British heterosexual relationships: a descriptive analysis.  Aggressive Behavior, 22, 401-415.  (In a representative sample of British men <n=894> and women <n=971> it was found, using a modified version of the CTS, that 18% of the men and 13% of the women reported being victims of physical violence at some point in their heterosexual relationships.  With regard to current relationships, 11% of men and 5% of women reported being victims of partner aggression.)

    Cascardi, M., Langhinrichsen, J., & Vivian, D. (1992).  Marital aggression: Impact, injury, and health correlates for husbands and wives.  Archives of Internal Medicine, 152, 1178-1184.  (Examined 93 couples seeking marital therapy. Found using the CTS and other information that 71% reported at least one incident of physical aggression in past year. While men and women were equally likely to perpetrate violence, women reported more severe injuries.  Half of the wives and two thirds of the husbands reported no injuries as a result of all aggression, but wives sustained more injuries as a result of mild aggression.)

    Caulfield, M. B., & Riggs, D. S. (1992). The assessment of dating aggression: Empirical evaluation of the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 4, 549-558. (Used CTS with a sample of 667 unmarried college students <268 men and 399 women> and found on a number of items significantly higher responses of physical violence on part of women.  For example, 19% of women slapped their male partner while 7% of men slapped their partners, 13% of women kicked, bit, or hit their partners with a fist while only 3.1% of men engaged in this activity.)

    Cercone, J. J., Beach, S. R. H., & Arias, I. (2005).  Gender Symmetry in Dating Intimate Partner Violence: Does Behavior Imply Similar Constructs?  Violence and Victims, 20 (2) 207-218.  (A sample of 414 college students <189 men, 225 women> responded to the CTS2.  Results reveal that male and female subjects were equally likely to be perpetrators of minor violence in intimate dating relationships, but women were twice as likely as men to perpetrate severe violence <15.11% vs 7.41%>).

    Clark, M. L., Beckett, J., Wells, M., & Dungee-Anderson, D. (1994).  Courtship Violence among African-American college students.  Journal of Black Psychology, 20 (3), 264-281.  (A sample of 311 African-American college students <76 men, 235 women> responded to the CTS.  Findings reveal that 41% of men and 33% of women reported being physically abused by a dating partner.)
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman

Claxton-Oldfield, S. & Arsenault, J. (1999). The initiation of physically aggressive behaviour by female university students toward their male partners: Prevalence and the reasons offered for such behaviors. Unpublished manuscript.  (In a sample of 168 actively dating female undergraduates at a Canadian university, 26% indicated that they initiated physical aggression toward their male partners. Most common reason for such behavior was because partner was not listening to them.)

    Cogan, R., & Ballinger III, B. C. (2006).  Alcohol problems and the differentiation of partner, stranger, and general violence.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 21 (7), 924-935.  (A sample of 457 college men and 958 college women completed the CTS.  Results revealed that significantly more men than women <35.4% vs 26.0%> reported being victimized by their partners.)

    Coney, N. S., & Mackey, W. C. (1999). The feminization of domestic violence in America: The woozle effect goes beyond rhetoric. Journal of Men's Studies, 8 (1), 45-58.  (Authors  review the domestic violence literature and report that while society in general as well as the media portray women as "recipients of domestic violence...epidemiological surveys on the distribution of violent behavior between adult partners suggest gender parity.")

    Cook, P. W. (1997).  Abused men.  The hidden side of domestic violence.  Westport, CN.: Praeger.  (Presents the evidence, empirical and personal, for male spousal victimization.  Examines resistance to acceptance of findings and offers solutions to reduce domestic violence.)

    Corry, C. E., Fiebert, M. S., & Pizzy, E. (2002). Controlling domestic violence against men. Available: www.familytx.org/research/Control_DV_against_men.pdf  Earlier version presented at Sixth International Conference on Family Violence, San Diego, CA. (A critical examination of men as victims of partner violence.)

    Cui, M., Lorenz, F. O., Conger, R. D., Melby, J. N., & Bryant, C. M. (2005).  Observer, Self-, and partner reports of hostile behaviors in romantic relationships.  Journal of Marriage and Family, 67, 1169-1181.  (Examined a sample of 236 young people <48% married, 52% dating; 56% women, 44% men> who completed questionnaires regarding their hostility toward their partners.  Findings reveal that couples living together have higher levels of hostility than dating couples and that women in both conditions demonstrate higher levels of hostility towards their partners than men.)

    Cunradi, C. B., Caetano, R., Clark, C. L., & Schafer, J. (1999).  Alcohol-related problems and intimate partner violence among white, Black, and Hispanic couples in the U.S.  Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, 23, 1492-1501.  (A probability sample of 1440 couples <565 white, 358 Black, 527 Hispanic> was obtained from the 1995 National Alcohol Survey.  Subjects completed the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Ethnicity results reveal that overall rates of partner aggression were similar for whites and Hispanic while Black rates were significantly higher.  In terms of gender, white men and women had similar rates of partner aggression, Hispanic women were somewhat more aggressive than Hispanic men and Black men were more aggressive than Black women.  Alcohol related problems were a predictor of intimate partner violence in Black couples.)

     Deal, J. E., & Wampler, K. S. (1986).  Dating violence: The primacy of previous experience.  Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 3, 457-471.  (Of 410 university students <295 women, 115 men> responding to CTS and other instruments, it was revealed that 47% experienced some violence in dating relationships. The majority of experiences were reciprocal.  When not reciprocal men were three times more likely than women to report being victims.  Violent experiences in previous relationships was the best predictor of violence in current relationships.)

    DeKeseredy, W. S. & Schwartz, M. D. (1998).  Woman abuse on campus.  Results from the Canadian National survey.  Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage.  (A large sample <1,835 women; 1,307 men> of Canadian college students completed the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Results reveal that women report engaging in higher rates of violence than men.  Specifically, 46.1% of women reported engaging in some physical violence in intimate relationship since leaving high school.  With 38% employing "minor" violence and 19% employing "severe" violence.)

    DeMaris, A. (1992). Male versus female initiation of aggression: The case of courtship violence.  In E. C. Viano (Ed.), Intimate violence: interdisciplinary perspectives. (pp. 111-120).  Bristol, PA: Taylor & Francis. (Examined a sample of 865 white and black college students with regard to the initiation of violence in their dating experience.  Found that 218 subjects, 80 men and 138 women, had experienced or expressed violence in current or recent dating relationships.  Results indicate that "when one partner could be said to be the usual initiator of violence, that partner was most  often the women.  This finding was the same for both black and white respondents.")

    Dowd, L. (2001).  Female Perpetrators of Partner Aggression: Relevant Issue and Treatment.  Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma, 5 (2), 73-104.  (A review article examining female partner aggression with a focus on treatment issues.)

    Dutton, D. G. (2006).  Rethinking Domestic Violence.  Vancouver: UBC Press.  (A thoughtful and scholarly analysis of research and treatment in the area of Domestic Violence.  Offers much insight with regard to Intimate Partner violence and men as victims.)

    Dutton, D. G. & Nicholls, T. L. (2005).  The gender paradigm in domestic violence research and theory: the conflict of theory and data.  Aggression and Violent Behavior, 10, 680-714.  (A review and analysis of the data regarding male victimization.  Critical of feminist approaches that minimize female perpetration and trivialize male injury.)

    Dutton-Greene, L. B., & Straus, M. A. (2005, July).  The relationship between gender hostility and partner violence and injury.  Paper presented at the 9th International Family Violence Research Conference, Portsmouth, NH.  (Report of findings from international dating violence Study which collected data from over 11,000 <70% women> college students from 50 universities in 21 countries.  Subjects responded to the revised Conflict Tactics scale, gender hostility scales and injury scales.  Findings reveal that women perpetrated greater partner violence than men, that women were more seriously injured than men and that hostility toward the opposite sex was significantly and similarly correlated with partner violence for men and women.)

    Ehrensaft, M. K., Moffitt, T. E., & Caspi, A. (2004).  Clinically abusive relationships in an unselected birth cohort: men's and women's participation and developmental antecedents.  Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 113 (2), 258-270.  (Assessed 980 individuals, ages 24-26, who were participants in longitudinal study in New Zealand.  Subjects were examined with the CTS, the Partner Conflict Calendar, PCC, a measure of the consequences of abuse and a variety of personality and psychopathology scales.  Findings reveal that 9% of the total sample, with an equal number of men and women, were victims of clinical abuse in their relationships with partners.)

    Ernst, A. A., Nick, T. G., Weiss, S. J., Houry, D., & Mills, T. (1997).  Domestic violence in an inner-city ED.  Annals of Emergency Medicine, 30, 190-197.  (Assessed 516 patients <233 men, 283 women> in a New Orleans inner-city emergency Department with the Index of Spousal Abuse, a scale to measure domestic violence.  Found that 28% of the men and 33% of the women <a nonsignificant difference>, were victims of past physical violence while 20% of the men and 19% of the women reported being current victims of physical violence.  In terms of ethnicity, 82% of subjects were African-American.  Authors report that there was a significant difference in the number of women vs. men who reported past abuse to the police ,19% of women, 6% of men.>)

    Farrell, W. (1999). Women can't hear what men don't say.  New York: Tarcher/Putnam.  See Chapter 6.  (Pp. 123-162; 323-329.)  (An excellent social and political analysis of couple violence.)

    Feather, N. T. (1996).  Domestic violence, gender and perceptions of justice.  Sex Roles, 35, 507-519.  (Subjects <109 men, 111 women> from Adelaide, South Australia, were presented a hypothetical scenario in which either a husband or wife perpetrated domestic violence.  Participants were significantly more negative in their evaluation of the husband than the wife, were more sympathetic to the wife and believed that the husband deserved a harsher penalty for his behavior.)

    Felson, R. B. (2002).  Violence and Gender Reexamined.  Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.  (Scholarly review and analysis of the literature.  Author concludes that, "Women are just as likely as men to be victims of violence from their partners. . . ."  Also "casts doubt on the battered wife syndrome as an explanation for why women kill their male partners.")

    Felson, R. B. (2006).  Is violence against women about women or about violence?  Contexts, 5, 21-25.  (Reports that while men are eight times more likely to commit overall violence than women, there is gender parity in partner violence.  Author suggests that violent men are "less likely to assault their partners because of the chivalry norm.")

    Fergusson, D. M., Horwood, L. J., & Ridder, E. M. (2005).  Partner violence and mental health outcomes in a New Zealand birth cohort.  Journal of Marriage and Family, 67, 1103-1119.  (Examined extent of domestic violence experience and perpetration in a sample of 828 <437 women, 391 men> young adults who were 25 years old.  Subjects were part of a long term longitudinal study and were administered the CTS2.  Results reveal that "there were more men exposed to severe domestic violence than women" and that mild and moderate rates were similar for men and women.  Overall, 39.4% of women and 30.9% of men reported perpetration scores of 3 or higher.  Authors report that men and women reported similar rates of injury <3.9% for women vs. 3.3% for men>.  In terms of initiation of partner assaults, 34% of women and 12% of men reported initiating physical assaults.)

    Fiebert, M. S., & Gonzalez, D. M. (1997).  Women who initiate assaults: The reasons offered for such behavior. Psychological Reports, 80, 583-590.  (A sample of 968 women, drawn primarily from college courses in the Southern California area, were surveyed regarding their initiation of physical assaults on their male partners.  29% of the women, n=285, revealed that they initiated assaults during the past five years. Women in their 20's were more likely to aggress than women aged 30 and above.  In terms of reasons, women appear to aggress because they did not believe that their male victims would be injured or would retaliate.  Women also claimed that they assaulted their male partners because they wished to engage their attention, particularly emotionally.)

    Fiebert, M. S. (1996). College students' perception of men as victims of women's assaultive behavior. Perceptual & Motor Skills, 82, 49-50. (Three hundred seventy one college students <91 men, 280 women> were surveyed regarding their knowledge and acceptance of the research finding regarding female assaultive behavior. The majority of subjects (63%) were unaware of the finding that women assault men as frequently as men assault women; a slightly higher percentage of women than men (39% vs 32%) indicated an awareness of this finding.  With regard to accepting the validity of these findings a majority of subjects (65%) endorsed such a result with a slightly higher percentage of  men (70% vs 64%)indicating their acceptance of this finding.)

     Flynn, C. P. (1990).  Relationship violence by women: issues and implications.  Family Relations, 36, 295-299.  (A review/analysis article that states, "researchers consistently have found that men and women in relationships, both marital and premarital engage in comparable amounts of violence."  Author also writes, "Violence by women in intimate relationships has received little attention from policy makers, the public, and until recently, researchers...battered men and abusive women have receive 'selective inattention' by both the media and researchers.")

      Follingstad, D. R., Wright, S., & Sebastian, J. A. (1991).  Sex differences in motivations and effects in dating violence.  Family Relations, 40, 51-57.  (A sample of 495 college students <207 men, 288 women> completed the CTS and other instruments including a "justification of relationship violence measure."  The study found that women were twice as likely to report perpetrating dating violence as men.  Female victims attributed male violence to a desire to gain control over them or to retaliate for being hit first, while men believed that female aggression was a based on their female partner's wish to "show how angry they were and to retaliate for feeling emotionally hurt or mistreated.")

    Foo, L., & Margolin, G. (1995).  A multivariate investigation of dating aggression.  Journal of Family Violence, 10, 351-377.  (A sample of 290 college students <111 men, 179 women> responded to the CTS.  Results reveal that 24.3% of men and 38.5% of women reported perpetrating physical violence toward their dating partners.)

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman

 Foshee, V. A. (1996).  Gender differences in adolescent dating abuse prevalence, types and injuries.  Health Education Research, 11 (3), 275-286. (Data collected from 1965 adolescents in eighth and ninth grade in 14 schools in rural North Carolina. Results reveal that 36.5% of dating females and 39.4% of dating males report being victims of physical dating violence.  In terms of perpetrating violence 27.8% of females while only 15.0% of males report perpetrating violence.)

     Gelles, R. J. (1994). Research and advocacy: Can one wear two hats?  Family Process, 33, 93-95. (Laments the absence  of objectivity on the part of "feminist" critics of research demonstrating female perpetrated domestic violence.)

     George, M. J. (1994). Riding the donkey backwards: Men as the unacceptable victims of marital violence.  Journal of Men's Studies, 3, 137-159. (A thorough review of the literature which examines findings and issues related to men as equal victims of partner abuse.)

    George, M. J. (1999). A victimization survey of female perpetrated assaults in the United Kingdom.  Aggressive Behavior, 25, 67-79. (A representative sample of 718 men and 737 women completed the CTS and reported their experience as victims of physical assaults by women during a five year period. Men reported greater victimization and more severe assaults than did women.  Specifically, 14% of men compared to 7% of women reported being assaulted by women. Highest risk group were single men.  The majority (55%) of assaults on men were perpetrated by spouses, partners, or former partners.)

    George, M. J. (2002).  Skimmington Revisited.  Journal of Men's Studies, 10 (2), 111-127.  (Examines historical sources and finds that men who were victims of spousal aggression were subject to punishment and humiliation.  Inferences to contemporary trivialization of male victims of partner aggression is discussed.)

    George, M. J. (2003).  Invisible touch.  Aggression & Violent Behaviour, 8, 23-60.  (A comprehensive review and analysis of female initiated partner aggression.  Historical, empirical and case evidence presented to demonstrate reality of "battered husband syndrome.")

     Goldberg, W. G., & Tomlanovich, M. C. (1984).  Domestic violence victims in the emergency department.  JAMA, 251, 3259-3264.  (A sample of 492 patients <275 women, 217 men> who sought treatment in an emergency department in a Detroit hospital were survey regarding their experience with domestic violence.  Respondents were mostly African-American (78%), city dwellers (90%), and unemployed (60%).  Victims of domestic violence numbered 107 (22%).  While results indicate that 38% of victims were men and 62% were women this gender difference did not reach statistical significance.

     Gonzalez, D. M. (1997).  Why females initiate violence: A study examining the reasons behind assaults on men.  Unpublished master's thesis, California State University, Long Beach.  (225 college women participated in a survey which examined their past history and their rationales for initiating aggression with male partners.  Subjects also responded to 8 conflict scenarios which provided information regarding possible reasons for the initiation of aggression.  Results indicate that 55% of the subjects admitted to initiating physical aggression toward their male partners at some point in their lives.  The most common reason was that aggression was a spontaneous reaction to frustration).

      Goodyear-Smith, F. A. & Laidlaw, T. M. (1999). Aggressive acts and assaults in intimate relationships: Towards an understanding of the literature.  Behavioral Sciences and the Law, 17, 285-304.  (An up to date scholarly analysis of couple violence. Authors report that, "...studies clearly demonstrate that within the general population, women initiate and use violent behaviors against their partners at least as often as men."

    Graham-Kevan, N., & Archer, J. (July, 2005).  Using Johnson's domestic violence typology to classify men and women in a non-selected sample.  Paper presented at the 9th Annual Family Violence Research Conference, Portsmouth, NH.  (A total of 1339 subjects, students and staff from the University of Central Lancashire, responded to a modified version of the CTS.  Authors report that, "the proportion of women and men using any act of physical aggression towards their partners was as follows: from self-reports 29% for women and 17% for men, and from partner reports 31% of women and 22% for men.")

    Grandin, E. & Lupri, E. (1997).  Intimate violence in Canada and the United States: A cross-national comparison.  Journal of Family Violence, 12 (4), 417-443.  (Authors examine data from the 1985 U.S. National Family Violence Resurvey and the 1986 Canadian National Family Life Survey.  Report that "although the United States exhibits significantly higher rates of societal violence crime than Canada, Canadian women and men were more likely than their American counterparts to use severe and minor intimate violence."  This finding is counter to the "culture of violence theory."  Moreover, in both cultures the rates of violence of wives to husbands were higher than husbands to wives.  Specifically, the overall violence index for men in America was 10.6 and in Canada it was 18.3; while the overall violence index for women in America was 12.2 and in Canada it was 25.3.)

     Gray, H. M. & Foshee, V. (1997).  Adolescent dating violence.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 12, 126-142.  (A sample of 185 adolescents responded to a questionnaire about dating violence; 77 students reported being involved in physical violence in their current or most recent dating relationship.  Mutual violence was present in 66% of cases; while 26% of males and 8% of females reported being victims of violence and 29% of females and 4% of males reported being sole perpetrators of violence.)

    Gryl, F. E., Stith, S. M., & Bird, G. W. (1991).  Close dating relationships among college students: differences by use of violence and by gender.  Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 8, 243-264.  (A sample of 280 first year college students <156 women, 124 men> at a mid-Atlantic university completed the violence sub-scale of the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Results reveal that almost 30% of the females and 23% of males reported that they had been violent in the current relationship.  Also almost 28% of women and 39% of men reported sustaining violence in their current relationship.)

    Hamel, J. (2005).  Gender Inclusive Treatment of Intimate Partner Abuse.  New York: Springer.  (Reviews the "most reliable and empirically sound research" and concludes that "men and women physically and emotionally abuse each other at equal rates. . ."  Offers a comprehensive gender inclusive treatment approach to domestic violence.)

     Hampton, R. L., Gelles, R. J., & Harrop, J. W. (1989).  Is violence in families increasing?  A comparison of 1975 and 1985 National Survey rates.  Journal of Marriage and the Family, 51, 969-980.  (Compared a sample of 147 African Americans from the 1975 National Survey with 576 African Americans from the 1985 National Survey with regard to spousal violence.  Using the CTS found that the rate of overall violence (169/1000) of husbands to wives remained the same from 1975 to 1985, while the rate of overall violence for wives to husbands increased 33% (153 to 204/1000) from 1975 to 1985.  The rate of severe violence of husbands to wives decreased 43% (113 to 64/1000) from 1975 to 1985, while the rate of severe violence of wives to husbands increased 42% (76 to 108/1000) from 1975 to 1985.  In 1985 the rate of abusive violence by black women was nearly 3 times greater than the rate of white women.)

    Harned, M. S. (2002).  A multivariate analysis of risk markers for dating violence victimization.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 17, 1179-1197.  (In a university sample of 874 daters <489 women, 385 men> assessed with the revised CTS, 22% of women and 21% of men reported experiencing physical aggression from dating partners.)

    Harders, R. J., Struckman-Johnson, C., Struckman-Johnson, D. & Caraway, S. J. (1998).  Verbal and physical abuse in dating relationships.  Paper presented at the meeting of American Psychological Association, San Francisco, CA.  (Surveyed 274 college students <92 men, 182 women> using a revised formed of the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Found that women were significantly more physically aggressive than men, particularly in the areas of: pushing, slapping and punching.)

    Headey, B., Scott, D., & de Vaus, D. (1999).  Domestic violence in Australia: Are women and men equally violent?  Data from the International Social Science Survey/ Australia 1996/97 was examined.  A sample of 1643 subjects (804 men, 839 women) responded to questions about their experience with domestic violence in the past 12 months.  Results reveal that 5.7% of men and 3.7% of women reported being victims of domestic assaults.  With regard to injuries results reveal that women inflict serious injuries at least as frequently as men.  For example 1.8% of men and 1.2% of women reported that their injuries required first  aid, while 1.5% of men and 1.1% of women reported that their injuries needed treatment by a doctor or nurse.

    Hendy, H. M., Weiner, K., Bakerofskie, J., Eggen, D., Gustitus, C., & McLeod, K. C. (2003).  Comparison of six models for violent romantic relationships in college men and women.  Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 18, 645-665.  (A sample of 608 students <164 men, 444 women> were surveyed with the Conflict Tactics Scale.  Results indicate that 16% of men and 26% of women report inflicting violence on their current romantic partner.)

    Henton, J., Cate, R., Koval, J., Lloyd, S., & Christopher, S. (1983).  Romance and violence in dating relationships.  Journal of Family Issues, 4, 467-482.  (Surveyed 644 high school students <351 men, 293 women> and found that abuse occurred at a rate of 121 per 1000 and appeared to be reciprocal with both partners initiating violence at similar rates.)

    Hines, D. A. & Malley-Morrison, K. (2001).  Psychological effects of partner abuse against men: a neglected research area.  Psychology of Men and Masculinity, 2, 75-85.  (A review article that examines the issue of men as victims of partner abuse.  Considers reasons why men would remain in an abusive relationship.)

    Hines, D. A. & Saudino, K. J. (2003).  Gender differences in psychological, physical, and sexual aggression among college students using the revised Conflict Tactics Scales.  Violence and Victims, 18 (2), 197-217.  (A sample of 481 college students <179 men, 302 women> responded to the revised Conflict Tactics scale.  Results indicate that 29% of men and 35% of women reported perpetrating physical aggression in their relationships.)

    Hoff, B. H. (1999).  The risk of serious physical injury from assault by a woman intimate.  A re-examination of National Violence against women survey data on type of assault by an intimate.  WWW.vix.com/menmag/nvawrisk.htm.  (A re-examination of the data from the most recent National violence against women survey (Tjaden & Thoennes, 1998) shows that "assaulted men are more likely than assaulted women to experience serious attacks by being hit with an object, beat up, threatened with a knife or being knifed.")

    Holtzworth-Munroe, A. (2005).  Female Perpetration of Physical Aggression Against an Intimate Partner: A Controversial New Topic of Study.  Violence and Victims, 20 (2), 251-259.  (Examines the changing zeitgeist, methodological issues, and research findings regarding female perpetrated violence.)

    Jackson, S. M., Cram, F. & Seymour, F. W. (2000).  Violence and sexual coercion in high school students' dating relationships.  Journal of Family Violence, 15, 23-36.  (In a New Zealand sample of senior high school students <200 women, 173 men> 21% of women and 19% of men reported having been physically hurt by their heterosexual dating partner.)

    Jenkins, S. S., & Aube, J. (2002).  Gender differences and gender-related constructs in dating aggression.  Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 28, 1106-1118.  (Used the CTS with a university sample of 85 dating couples.  Authors report that, "women in existing college dating relationships are more aggressive than men.")
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman

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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Mr. X

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But what the heck.  You aren't going to listen.  When someone confronts you with the facts you just call them a troll among other names and then complain if you are challenged in the least; at least by someone you have decided is a female.  Because goodness know a male could never disagree with you.  You would only label them as sell outs anyway.

Its amazing you actually think these guilt trips are going to work anymore. One very strong message I promote to men is that women as a group are not worth gaining approval from. We know now your approval is merely a coin you spend to get us to do things for you and it means NOTHING. How can a group that has stopped being women a long time ago tell us what being a man is, especially when the American past time for women is to rip apart everything men are? How can a group with no morals tell us what right and wrong are? You demand we do the right thing? How would know what that is when right and wrong are fluid and subjective to you... merely tools?

Your bank is dry. You have no more coins. Run the guilt trips. Pull the anger bit. Play the hurt little girl trick. Tell us what you think a real man would do. Drop your clothes and offer sex. Dangle attention like a carrot. Barter love like its a tool. Play your BS game of getting attention without giving it out. Keep thinking caring means you lost. Do all those things because they mean nothing now. We know them for the fake efforts they really are. men will no longer seek your approval because you have a uterus. Earn it.

Bottom line is if we men do everything you want, we still lose. As Gonzokid says, you had your half century. We're getting our lives back. Go ahead and write your "Are Men Necessary" books. Don't be surprised when men decide you're not necessary.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

who me?



Yeah I did make a mistake trying to respond to each poster.  It's silly how you guys swarmed because someone spoke up about the violence done to pregnant women.

The thread starting article EXPLICITElY states 30% abuse rate for women AND A 40% ABUSE rate for men then just talks about what happens to the women. Isn't this exactly what you are complaining about: ignoring one sex while concentrating on the other while ignoring the bigger group that gets hurt?

Its the same with DV and violent crime. Talk ONLY about what happens to women and NOT about men even though men are the much larger victim of violent crime than women AND nealry 43% of the victims of DV (around Half) is also exactly what you are complaining about: ignoring the plight of one six while concentrating only on the other.

The arguement you return with is that men perpetrate most of these crimes which appears to be some arguement that we are supposed to ignore when men get hurt cause its a man on man thing. So we bring up 60% of child abuse is caused by women and ask should we ignore when women hurt girls cause the vast majority of abusers are women?

Sorry but you ladies have had your 40 years. We HAVE been listenning, for nearly half a century. Perhaps if women want us men to help they need to start helping us and recognize we too make horrible sacrifices and are victims in a lot of ways. But its always turned around to be about women. I've paid my price. I pay no longer and I encourage others to walk away.

If you think of women as an investment, its a sad investment with a horrible return on out dollar. We fight for your freedom, for your rights. We sacrifice and give up and in return you talk about disposing of us. That we're not needed as fathers. That we are an unnecessary cancer. That all crime and violence is out fault. That there would be no more war if one final horrible act took us from this Earth. Its clear to some of us men that we backed the wrong horse.

So you want us to worry about that 30% of abused pregnant women yet we are to ignore the larger abused 40% of men like the article did? Sorry. Not anymore. You're our equals now. Maybe you don't need help anymore and its time we help ourselves.


Who Me: This article alone THAT YOU PROVIDED examplifies my point
http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

It ONLY describes violence AGAINST WOMEN. It only shows numbers WHEN WOMEN ARE HURT. More than likely, if we trace the numbers you'll find men come a pretty darn close to those numbers except for rape. This is a grand example of a list created to show ONLY WOMEN are victims by only discussing numbers relevant to women. Again, what you complain about: ignoring one sex while boulstering the other.


Wrong they do discuss violence to men.  Try reading what I linked before throwing your tantrum.


For example, here is the BOJ tabel of violent crime victims.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/vsxtab.htm
It shows approximately 4.9 mil women are victims of violence vs 7.68 million men. More than 1/3rd more MEN than women are victims of violent crime


Yes men are more likely to be victim of violent crime.  Of course it is perpetrated by other men the majority of the time.


This is the intimate partner data
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/intimate/victims.htm
Yes women suffer worse in THIS area but here again is an example of what you complain about. In all the areas women suffer worse, we ALL are supposed to jump to the rescue. But in the areas where men suffer more (stranger attacks, murder, brutal beatings etc) its a 'crime of man on man" and to be ignored.


No, I didn't say man on man crime should be ignored but you really aren't discussing that here.  I don't expect any of you to jump to the rescue.  Holding men as accountable as you seem to want to hold women would be a step in the right direction.




Bottom line is in certain areas women suffer more but overall MEN are the greater victims of violent crime. So how come we are ONLY to care and help in those particular areas when women are hurt and ignore some of the larger number areas where men are hurt MORE?

Also Take a look at the overall violent crime rate.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
They have gone down SIGNIFICANTLY since 1973. Is that NOT us men helping? But of course its never enough. The black hole of "help me first and when all women are safe we can think about caring about men" will never be filled.



If you will recall 1973 was the point in time the domestic abuse laws started changing.  Thanks for bringing that up.  It's the change in the laws the forced the numbers down so dramatically.  They must be working.

Domestic abuse happens in both directions.  It seems that very few on this board are honest enough to acknowledge that.  Instead they want to complain about violence done to men specifically as long as it happens at the hands of a female.  They ignore the fact that a man is much more likely to die at the hands of another man.

They also get really irrate when it is pointed out that women are far more likely to die as a result of abuse and women are abused almost exclusively by men.

Screaming about the physical damage done to men by women while ignoring the physical damage done to women by men is like going to the emergency room for treatment of a stubbed toe and then pitching a fit because you are not examined before the gun shot victim.


who me?


Post more later - IF you actually read them, tomorrow should be plenty of time


One name after another.  Cute!

If you will notice, I cited real references from a variety of government agencies in this country.  But if you like you can post more names of men that wrote books.

It does fill space and I'm sure takes much less time than trying to really debate points of some type.  But then that would probably cut down on the foul language that you seem to enjoy using so much.

My father had a saying about the use of foul language.  He said it was symptomatic of a simple mind's inability to process a complex thought.

Looks like Dad was right.

The Gonzman



Post more later - IF you actually read them, tomorrow should be plenty of time


One name after another.  Cute!


"Shaming tactics." This phrase is familiar to many Men's Rights Activists.  It conjures up the histrionic behavior of female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic.  Yet women are not the only ones guilty of using shaming tactics against men.  Male gynocentrists use them, too.

Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man's insecurities and shut down debate.  They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions.  Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.

Anyway, it might be helpful to categorize the major shaming tactics that are used against men whenever a discussion arises about feminism, men's issues, romance, etc.  The following list contains descriptions of shaming tactics, some examples of quotes employing the tactics, and even color-coded aliases for mnemonic purposes.  Enjoy.


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If you will notice, I cited real references from a variety of government agencies in this country.  But if you like you can post more names of men that wrote books.


I think the underlined word says it all, gents.

Why talk about WHAT is written, when you can dismiss it because it was written by an icky boy!

Government - the father/husband figure for statist feminists - is also cited as the only "real" authority.  All Hail der FaMotherland!

"Deutschland, Deustchland, uber alles...."

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It does fill space and I'm sure takes much less time than trying to really debate points of some type.  But then that would probably cut down on the foul language that you seem to enjoy using so much.


Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues.  Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable.  Examples:

    * "You're bitter!"
    * "You need to get over your anger at women."
    * "You are so negative!"


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My father had a saying about the use of foul language.  He said it was symptomatic of a simple mind's inability to process a complex thought.

Looks like Dad was right.


Charge of Puerility (Code Green) - The Peter Pan Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of being immature and/or irresponsible in some manner that reflects badly on his status as an adult male.  Examples:

    * "Grow up!"
    * "You are so immature!"
    * "Do you live with your mother?"
    * "I'm not interested in boys.  I'm interested in real men."
    * "Men are shirking their God-given responsibility to marry and bear children."


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Hmmm - hey, guys - looking at my card here, I think I have Feminazi Troll Bingo - What's the prize this month?
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

shiva

@ Gonzokid:

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F.O.A.D. 


Fuck Off And Die... Does that count as a personal attack?

Just curious.
The above is the individual opinion of shiva. Unless stated otherwise, it's just an opinion; please do not confuse with a certified expert's individual opinion.

The Gonzman


@ Gonzokid:

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F.O.A.D. 


Fuck Off And Die... Does that count as a personal attack?

Just curious.


No more so than most of your "debates."

One Feminazi troll siding with another - no surprises here.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

who me?




Post more later - IF you actually read them, tomorrow should be plenty of time


One name after another.  Cute!


"Shaming tactics." This phrase is familiar to many Men's Rights Activists.  It conjures up the histrionic behavior of female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic.  Yet women are not the only ones guilty of using shaming tactics against men.  Male gynocentrists use them, too.

Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man's insecurities and shut down debate.  They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions.  Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.

Anyway, it might be helpful to categorize the major shaming tactics that are used against men whenever a discussion arises about feminism, men's issues, romance, etc.  The following list contains descriptions of shaming tactics, some examples of quotes employing the tactics, and even color-coded aliases for mnemonic purposes.  Enjoy.


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If you will notice, I cited real references from a variety of government agencies in this country.  But if you like you can post more names of men that wrote books.


I think the underlined word says it all, gents.

Why talk about WHAT is written, when you can dismiss it because it was written by an icky boy!

Government - the father/husband figure for statist feminists - is also cited as the only "real" authority.  All Hail der FaMotherland!


You are right, the government is in on the conspiracy.  Do you realize how silly that sounds?  If you want that to be your cadence; use it well.  A tinfoil hat should be part of the uniform. 

The immaturity displayed in your responses is comical.  I'm not adverse to publications and articles written by men.  If you had bothered to even glance at what I linked you might have even noticed that fact.  Just for you enlightenment:


http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1288976.html

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Pregnant women bear an untold burden of violence


More pregnant women or mothers of newborns in the U.S. die at someone's hands than of any individual medical cause, studies show.
By John Horton, Newhouse News Service
Last update: July 07, 2007 - 4:19 PM


I don't know many women that go by the name of John, do you?


"Deutschland, Deustchland, uber alles...."

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It does fill space and I'm sure takes much less time than trying to really debate points of some type.  But then that would probably cut down on the foul language that you seem to enjoy using so much.


Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues.  Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable.  Examples:

    * "You're bitter!"
    * "You need to get over your anger at women."
    * "You are so negative!"


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My father had a saying about the use of foul language.  He said it was symptomatic of a simple mind's inability to process a complex thought.

Looks like Dad was right.


Charge of Puerility (Code Green) - The Peter Pan Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of being immature and/or irresponsible in some manner that reflects badly on his status as an adult male.  Examples:

    * "Grow up!"
    * "You are so immature!"
    * "Do you live with your mother?"
    * "I'm not interested in boys.  I'm interested in real men."
    * "Men are shirking their God-given responsibility to marry and bear children."


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Hmmm - hey, guys - looking at my card here, I think I have Feminazi Troll Bingo - What's the prize this month?



Yeah it would be a good idea to pretend you have scored points.  It pitching fits, calling names, and using the most foul language you can dream up, is your idea of scoring points in a debate it's only because you are unable to debate.

Try rising above the standards of a middle school playground. 

What is really sad  is that you have done an excellent job of demonstrating exactly what my father's saying means.

Good job!  That should get a a gold star or something right?

You know you asked me something yesterday that I found very interesting.  You asked if I felt oppwessed.  Kind of ironic considering you are posting on a message board created so you can complain about your oppwession.

Do ya feel oppwessed?

Cordell Walker

who me................please adress this.........................what about the  statistics for  violent crime against men........how can they accurately reflect what goes on???if a man shoots another man and a woman was an accomplice before the fact.........is it listed under male on male violence....I'm sure it is.............and if violent crimes like this are classified  as male on male....the stats are skewed
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

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