Study: 30% of mothers and 40% of fathers are abused during a pregnancy

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"Stats are only bad when they don't support your cause"?  The study measures a phenomenon.  It can be critiqued of its reliability (measuring what it purports to measure), and its validity (making valid conclusions based on the data collected).  It is also going into this journal for the purpose of undergoing peer review.  So it is not a "stat."  It is a study.  What made it relevant to post is the facially valid finding that fathers are abused a little more than mothers throughout a pregnancy.

Secondly, I asked for this thread to be shut down because the conversation has gone too long.  If you read the first post, there is no "intended mark."

Thirdly, Devia, I'm a father and I know what it's like.

[The Gonzman]

<<<Women commit the majority of child abuse.>>>

That's a 'DUH'.

Women commit the majority of child rearing, hence they will commit the majority of abuse.

What sucks about the above arguement (women commit the majority of child abuse) is it fails to take stats on a level playing field.

The majority of children spend the majority of time around their mothers.

And here comes the predictable excuse when it goes against the female - of course, when men do it, there is "No Excuse For Abuse."

Yes or no? Who the heck cares?

No, because your argument also doesn't account that a lot of kids are jointly raised, and men's contributions to child rearing are seen as invisible, or discounted.

But this is a derailing of the thread.  DO you beleive that 30% of women are abused during pregnacy?

Absolutely not.  It's another "{Super Bowl/ 1 in 4/Rule of thumb" myth.

[Cordell Walker]

Im not familiar with the "super bowl" myth?

[dr e]

Devia - The point was that people automatically seek excuses for women (they are the ones around children = pussy pass)  while men are held to the fire no matter what the circumstance.

You are incorrect if you think I started the poll.  I didn't.  False accusation anyone?

[dr e]

John - I am unlikely to lock a thread where people are discussing issues.   If there are personal attacks then that is a different situation.   

[The Gonzman]

I don't really understand what your point was dr e?

Are women not more likely to be taking care of children then men?

No.

It is *perceived* that way, but it is far from the truth that the divide is that great.

There is a WHOLE lot of the phenomena of "You didn't do it RIGHT my way, so your efforts don't count" that goes on.

[The Gonzman]

Im not familiar with the "super bowl" myth?

A few years ago, the femherroids put out a bullshit release claiming that Domestic Abuse spiked during super Bowl Weekend.

It was proven to be a lie.

[Mr. X]

But this is a derailing of the thread.  DO you beleive that 30% of women are abused during pregnacy?

So if the vast majority of this 30% of pregnant women are abused by other women, should we men then ignore this situation because the perpetrators and victims are of the same sex?

[devia]

So you're saying that women do not spend more time taking care of children then men do?

I'm losing this thread.

[dr e]

So you're saying that women do not spend more time taking care of children then men do?

I'm losing this thread.

The idea of women being around children may or may not be true or false.  That is not the issue.  The issue is that you automatically reach for an excuse for women who have committed terrible crimes but would be much less likely to do so for men. 

[Mr. X]

So you're saying that women do not spend more time taking care of children then men do?

I'm losing this thread.

You're playing dissimilation. You know perfectly well what's being discussed here. You're intentionally playing naive to avoid the issues.

Apparently since you don't CARE what circumstances revolve around men being the majority of perpetrators in violent crime, no one should care what the frequency of women around children are and we should just mindlessly hold women acoountable for child abuse since they are the majority of the perpetrators.

Also, care to answer my previous question which IS on topic? If the majority of perpetrators against that 30% of abused pregnant women were other women, should we men not care what happens to that 30% of abused pregnant women since its a crime of woman on woman?

[typhonblue]

The point is:

Women and men are equally violent.

But only violent men are said to be representative of their gender.

[Mr. X]

The point is:

Women and men are equally violent.

But only violent men are said to be representative of their gender.

And only when it comes to violence. If violence is the fault of the group that commits the most violence then advancement, wealthy and prosperity are the fault of the group that makes these things... men. Yet no feminist will say "Men build the vast majority of buildings, houses, technology, advancements and wealth therefore all these things are the fault of men and women have no say in them".

[Men's Rights Activist]

The point is:

Women and men are equally violent.

But only violent men are said to be representative of their gender.

And do we have the news media to thank for this, or does the domestic violence industry have a news service (at taxpayer expense) that does news releases to media outlets, hyping and sensationalizing only female victims of domestic violence - alleged to have been committed by males?  I say "yes," to all.    Having watched Fox News (cable), I've come to refer to it as the "missing and murdered, white woman's network," yet males are 76% of homicides.  From what I watch of the other networks they operate the same way.  You know the news media is vastly biased in their reporting of the facts about who are victims of violence.  Where is the news coverage, sympathy and services for male victims of violence.

[who me?]

You know its odd, I used a similar argument with a feminist about violence against women......she said men are more violent towards women nowdays because  "empoweredwomen threaten men"; and I told her that was a crock of shit, I told her since more women are going places and doingb things men are, they are  getting put into  a position to be part of a victim group they used to be safer from.
I think Devia might have a point on the ratio of time kids spending with women might make women more likely to be the perp in that situation. However from personal observations mom always gets mad quicker and is usually meaner than dad, and this reaches across class and race

Our society is becoming more violent over a period of time.  In my opinion one of the reasons for that is the excuse making that goes on.  You know the........oh that happened because she is home with the kids more than he is or he was upset over child support..........etc...etc...etc.

There should be zero excuses available and even less tolerance for violent acts no matter which gender falls victim to the violent act.

This thread was started based on an abstract theory for a study.  It looks like some people are having a problem understanding those words.  It means that the study has not been completed therefore there is no hard data with which to back the abstract theory.

Yet it is being argued as if it is a completed study.  That is a bogus notion.

I've been reading through the thread this morning and have noted a couple of post claiming that women have an equal tendency of violence as do  men.  I wish someone would post the hard data to prove the claim.  It's easy to make a statement.....a bit tougher to back the statement.

Let's see the numbers.

And in response to yet another post..........nope the stats speak for themselves.  They do not get ignored just because they do not back a certain idea being pushed.  But here again that poster is arguing about an abstract theory as opposed to hard data.

If there is any hard data to prove the men and women are equally violent please post it.  I'd be interested in reading the study that backs the data.

Otherwise it is just a theory with no more validity than that of the moon landing being a hoax.