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Started by realman, Jul 12, 2007, 04:50 AM

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realman

The below article is kind of funny... first, because is anyone really surprised? Apparently the researchers are?

My thoughts: When in history have men ever, as a rule, been in charge of the domestic realm, other than providing the income and have some say in how it is used? And i think it's funny because they put a spin on it as if women being in charge at home is a a new thing resulting from "advances" women have made- but again, when was this EVER not the case? Also interesting how them seem SURPRISED that men would "accept influence" from their wives- again, considering teh sterotypes about "yes dear" and "honey-do" lists, why does this surprise ANYONE? And finally, they seem to be missing the obvious here... that if husbands don't keep the wife happy, the state is on her side, society says he's a slacker if he doesn't keep her happy, and she says "no more sex" if she's not happy... so any husband who doesn't let her rule the roost knows he's "over the line" and just might get screwed for it.

I guess I'm jsut amazed that anyone thinks this is "new". :dontknow:



Kings don't rule the castle -- queens do
Women are the deciders, dominant ones in relationships, study finds
LiveScience





Updated: 2:26 p.m. ET July 11, 2007
Men might throw their weight around at the office, but at home, women are the bosses.

A study, which was just released, finds that wives have more power than their husbands in making decisions and dominating discussions.

"The study at least suggests that the marriage is a place where women can exert some power," said lead author David Vogel, a psychologist at Iowa State University (ISU). "Whether or not it's because of changing societal roles, we don't know."

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The results counter past research.

"Most of the research literature in psychology has suggested that women have less power," Vogel told LiveScience. "They have largely based that on the fact that traditionally men earn more money and so therefore would have the ability to make big decisions in the relationship." That wasn't the case in this study.

Spouse survey says ...
Vogel, Megan Murphy, also of ISU, and their colleagues surveyed 72 married couples in which the spouses were an average of 33 years old and had been married for about seven years. Most of the participants (66 percent) were Caucasian, followed by Asian (22 percent), Hispanic (5 percent) and African American (4 percent). The final 3 percent represented other nationalities.

Each spouse answered questions about relationship satisfaction and overall decision-making ability. Then, each spouse noted a relationship problem that could not be resolved without the spouse's cooperation. While money and housework were popular picks, sex didn't come up much as a marital issue.

Topics chosen by husbands/wives included:

Money -- 18 percent (husbands) / 13 percent (wives)
Housework -- 15 percent / 15 percent
Friends and family -- 10 percent / 19 percent
Feelings and emotions -- 10 percent / 13 percent
Time together -- 13 percent / 10 percent
Making decisions -- 18 percent / 4 percent
Sex -- 4 percent / 1 percent
Intimacy -- 1 percent / 1 percent
Communication -- 3 percent / 4 percent
Children -- husbands never chose this topic; 3 percent of wives
Other relationship changes -- 4 percent / 17 percent
The scientists videotaped the couples while they discussed each of the issues for 10 minutes.

Women power
Trained volunteers coded the videotapes using a scale that rated couples' interactions based on words and behaviors associated with blame (blames, accuses and criticizes the partner); demand (nags, pressures for change, requests); withdrawal and avoidance (avoids discussing the problem by hesitating, changing topics, diverting attention or looking away); and discussion.

Wives were more demanding -- asking for changes in the relationship or in their partner -- and were more likely to get their way than the husbands. This held regardless of who had chosen the issue.

The women were not just talking more than their husbands.

"It wasn't just that the women were bringing up issues that weren't being responded to, but that the men were actually going along with what they said," Vogel explained. "[Women] were communicating more powerful messages, and men were responding to those messages by agreeing or giving in."


  One reason for in-charge wives could be that they carry the weight of making sure the family farm is running smoothly.

"Women are responsible for overseeing the relationship, making sure the relationship runs, that everything gets done, and that everybody's happy," Murphy said.

Wife power could signal a harmonious couple. "There's been research that suggests that's a marker of a healthy marriage -- that men accept influence from their wives," Murphy said.

The study, published in the April issue of the Journal of Counseling Psychology, was funded by the National Institute of Mental Health along with ISU.

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Cordell Walker

I also want to know  how 72 couples, from that demographic breakdown , have any bearing on marriage in gneral
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

CaptDMO


I also want to know  how 72 couples, from that demographic breakdown , have any bearing on marriage in general

Because David Vogel and Megan Murphy, are from ISU?
That's what they were PAID to "discover" ?

Cordell Walker

and if women's power in marriage is a result of feminist advances, why in old tv and books the hen pecked husband is a  common stereotype
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

Virtue

I will never submit to a woman.
Imagine waking up tomorrow to find
that unbelievably rape is now legal.

You would be freaking out, telling everyone you ran into this is crazy- something needs to be done... now!!! And then every man you told this to just very smugly and condescendingly says...

"Hey... not all men are 'like that.'"

ArgusEyes

Men lose to women in arguments because we expect there to be some unwritten rules and logic to the argument. That's how it would be when arguing with another man, after all we know what we have experience with.

But then you discuss things with a woman and.

1) She'll argue emotionally.
1) She'll pull old grievances out of a bag to use as points against you.
2) She'll punish you for an indeterminate amount of time after with passive aggressive bullshit like moping and withholding sex.

So the man figures, "why bother?" and lets her have her way..
Only a brave person is willing to admit honestly, and fearlessly to face, what a sincere and logical mind discovers.
~Rodan of Alexandria

The Gonzman


Men lose to women in arguments because we expect there to be some unwritten rules and logic to the argument. That's how it would be when arguing with another man, after all we know what we have experience with.

But then you discuss things with a woman and.

1) She'll argue emotionally.
1) She'll pull old grievances out of a bag to use as points against you.
2) She'll punish you for an indeterminate amount of time after with passive aggressive bullshit like moping and withholding sex.

So the man figures, "why bother?" and lets her have her way..


Men lose in arguments with women because they allow her to get legal tenterhooks into them (Via the misandrist institution of marriage) or allow them to move in, or anything else which hangs the sword of Damocles over their head.

THEN they can't overcome their one-sided, chivalric, let-her-be-the-arbiter-of-manhood programming and give a fuck what she thinks.

Last time I had any woman pull the "See if you get any tonight" routine on me, I calmly told her "Then there is the door - and you leave my bed, there are two waiting to take your place."  She wouldn't have looked any more shell-shocked if I had opened her up with a knife and let her guts spill out on the carpet.

Claim your power.  Own your own life, and don't let a woman dictate to you.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

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