An Observation about Black Music

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Amber

This is an article I'm working on.

I bet Alicia would like this.  I bet after I post this she'll come back.  :yes:

I know Dan will like this too.  

An Observation about Black Music

Among the black and Puerto Rican communities, I have noticed that more and more songs are about love and romance.  (And by black/Puerto Rican music, I do not mean "rap" or "hip hop," but music sung by black and Puerto Rican people).  I don't mean songs about hooking up or animal like sex, but full-fledged, long-term love and romance - including songs about marriage.

The song that epitomizes this is "Let's Get married" by Jagged Edge.  These are the lyrics:

"Meet me at the altar in your white dress
We ain't getting no younger, we might as well do it
... Let's just get married!"

This is sung to an undeniably charismatic beat (I wish I could let you hear it so you know what I am talking about).  Indeed, when it came out, it was one of the top dance songs.  

Another one of my favorites is by Thalia and Fat Joe called "I want you."  The beginning lyrics, from Thalia are,

"What ... did I ... do to deserve such a man so special in my life?"

The entire song is about Thalia and Fat Joe describing what they like about each other, and that they only want one another.  The lyrics go on, from Fat Joe (warning:  slang ahead), "Only got eyes for her ...  I don't want to be a player no more."  

The video for this song is also memorable.  It is the both of them singing to each other.  Indeed, most memorable is, of course, the beautiful Thalia.  But, although she is an incredibly beautiful woman with a great body, it is not egregious body parts that you remember about her.  Most memorable is her big, bright smile, being flashed towards Fat Joe as she sings about him (Again, I wish you could see it).  

There are others, including Puff Daddy singing that he "wants a wife at home," Snoop Dog singing a relatively romantic song towards one special girl in which he tells her she is "Beautiful," (yes, guys, despite feminist hysterics, women still like hearing this), and Wayne Wonder who describes a girl who "takes care of him like it's a duty."

These are not songs that I had to go searching for.  All of these songs are popular and mainstream.  

Now let's look at popular white music (again, by this I mean, songs sung by white people).

A popular song by Christina Aguilera out is "Can't hold us Down."  The song announces that "This is for her girls all around the world."  The entire song is about "female equality," and by female equality, they mean, mostly, a woman's right to be a whore and not be judged for it, in the same fashion as men supposedly can.  

The video is particularly telling.  The first scene is of Christina walking down a street, when a guy pinches her butt.  She turns around and snaps back at him.  As on-lookers see the fight going on, the women come out to support Christina and men come out to support the guy.  It eventually turns into a male versus female fight, literally with women on one side and men on the other, spraying the hose at each other and trying to out do each other with dance moves (and I might add, as far as the dance competition went, the men won).  

Other popular, young white music starts include Avril Lavigne, who in almost every video punches a guy, and Michelle Branch.  I was quite proud of Michelle, when she did a song with Santana called, "The Game of Love," which exalts romantic love (One of my favorite songs to this day).  But her most recent song, "Are You Happy Now?" is as angry as ever, and Michelle admits it is a "break up song."  My heart sank when I heard it.  I can't stand to listen to it on the radio.

So why is this happening?  Those in the black and Puerto Rican communities are embracing love and romance, while those in the white community are dead set on gender war.  

Well, it's quite simple to answer really.  Those who have a vested interest in people adopting certain ideological viewpoints (namely:  liberal) or voting a certain way (namely:  Democrat) have no need to separate black women from black men or Puerto Rican women from Puerto Rican men.  Black people vote Democrat at a solid 90%.  

They do have a vested interest in dividing white women from white men.  They might not be able to capture the white male vote, but they can grab the white women - so as long as they remain single.  

I don't believe there is an agenda being pushed on the black and Puerto Rican communities in regards to them singing songs about love.  I believe they are simply doing what men and women do when not influenced by corrupt leadership:  they love each other.  (I plan on doing research regarding the record companies producing these songs).  

Here is another observation:  the love songs in the black community were all sung predominantly by men.  The angry, hateful songs in the white community were sung by women.  Take from that observation what you will.

I believe that most of the gender warfare in the white community is not natural, but prodded from leaders.  As proof of that, observe that places in which certain leaders don't need gender division - don't have gender division.  

It could be argued that there is in fact a lot of gender division in the black community; indeed an embarrassing number of black children are born to single mother households.  I have been told before, however, that this was a problem they inherited through slavery, in which families were frequently broken up.  They were torn apart for quite some time, and the negative effects, unfortunately, still linger.

But I do not believe that black people themselves, by choice, want this.  I have actually read from some black feminists that white feminists don't understand their problems.  One black feminist I read argued that black women everywhere are worried about black men not marrying women or becoming fathers.  White feminists, she said, in all their elitism, do not care about this.  

Well, of course they don't.  They're feminists.  Their entire purpose and goal on earth is to divide men from women.  All I can say to that young black feminist is:  I understand.

Really, of all the places for gender healing and conservative values to be brought back, it is in minority communities.  The fact that conservatives haven't capitalized on this is inexcusable.  

Sex and music have always been and always will be united.  The psychological effects that music has on people, including the messages of the song, is profound.  

During the feminists 70s, a popular song that comes to mind is "I Will Survive," an anthem song for broken-hearted women everywhere, exalting, of course, the single life and rejecting men.  (Interestingly enough, this song was originally meant to be a Christian gospel, but I digress).  In the 80s, the Reagan years, love kind of came back, and the song that comes to mind for me is "Take my breath away," from the Top Gun soundtrack.  Move on to the late 90s, and all I can really think about is manufactured pop and an explosion of single, angry young females.  All these songs help to define each era.  

Just imagine the difference it would make if music was more like it was pre-1960s liberal revolution.  I was on a relatively long road trip a few weeks ago, and the song "Rock Around the Clock" came on.  I was stunned by it.  Imagine going to a dance or club with that kind of song on!  It was so fun.  And it wasn't fun in an explicitly sexual and crass way, as so many are today.  It was fun in a fun way.  

I think it's absurd to say people in these happy years weren't sexual.  Yes, it is pretty apparent from their songs that sex was on their mind.  They just ... were responsible about it.  

Indeed, I think I'm going to do an experiment.  Instead of playing songs at any given party which are crass, talk about animal-like sex, and reject all morals and standards with sex, I'm going to play happy, fun songs, like the ones from the 1950s or 1960s.  My guess is instead of treating the opposite sex like a mere object, like both men and women do today in the "hook up" culture, they might actually look at, get to know, and be intimate with the opposite sex.  Just a guess, of course.  

Those in the black community are reminding us of something:  long-term romantic love is an ideal.  It is even better than any kind of crass, one night stand sex.  I hope to hear more of it.
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

Analog Worms

Quote from: "Amber"
Other popular, young white music starts include Avril Lavigne, who in almost every video punches a guy.


She does!?  :shock:
url=http://theafa.tk]Anti-Feminist Army[/url]

They call him the wanderer. Moving from one message board to the next. Just looking for a place to call home.

devia

Dido is quite amazing.

:)

D

I like to party at this night club outside of my hometown.  Interestingly enough this place has two sides to it.  One with modern alternative musice and the other with a retro 80's side.  The differences in attitudes are quite astonishing.  One side of the bar is definitely more sexual than the other.  

I one time witnessed this girl singing the Dixie Chicks song 'Kill Earl' or whatever it's called.  She recited it lyric for lyric and she really got into it.  Needless to say she was going through some difficult times with a past lover, the father of her child.  They were no longer together.  What I found amazing was how she became so immersed in the song whilst singing words describing killing a human being.  

In the alternative room the lyrics to music seems to center around 'hate', while the 80s is all about love.  

T-shirts with anti-religeon simbles on them or the common print of Che Guevara.  

Strange.

Amber

I was at that bar once.
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

D

My opinion on feminsim being 'divisive' with the genders is based on ideological factors, not on physical factors.

As you've pointed out many white men vote right, but nearly all leftist men I know are astoundly for women's equal rights.  These are the ones wearing the Che shirts of course.

Now given that they only know the face value of feminism their position isn't one of "hatred", it's rather a position of response.  Leftist leaders set forth a notion in the hopes of recieving a desired response from those whom they think they can fool.  Usually the youth.  I notice that even with women who are rightys are shunned and denied voice.  That the only true voice of women is actually whatever leftist idealogues believe.  So in effect women don't really have a voice other than in repeating what they've be told.

So here with the sexes, and finally getting to my point, it's like a witholding of sex based on the gambit of ideological notion.  Meaning, leftist men get sex or will "adapt" to win the girl and become leftist.   This may have a tendancy to fail as there is a tremendous amount of effort being put into denying the sexes their natural instinct.  Hence my story of the duckling sitting on a wooden egg.  The duckling may sit on that egg forever, and maybe so will women and men in the metaphorical sence.  However I wonder who will be smart enought to figure it all out.

My guess is that a depopulated earth, with single or childless mothers is more benificial to lefties than married women with children who vote to keep the money in the family as opposed to socialist attributes.  I wonder if the gender war would be on if men voted socialist?   My guess is that it would not.

Amber

My experience has not been that leftist men support feminism.  For example, see David Byron.
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

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Happy hunting!
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
                         Adolph Hitler

"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
- Dr. Hans Bernd Gisevius
(1904-1974)

D

Quote from: "Amber"
My experience has not been that leftist men support feminism.  For example, see David Byron.



Well maybe it's a canadian thing. But most leftist men I've seen who are feminists are lefties.  But even conservative men spout the same propaganda bull as feminists.

Analog Worms

Quote from: "Dan Lynch"
But even conservative men spout the same propaganda bull as feminists.


Yes. So I've noticed. But on a whole conservatives are much more against the feminist cause.
url=http://theafa.tk]Anti-Feminist Army[/url]

They call him the wanderer. Moving from one message board to the next. Just looking for a place to call home.

Amber

I was trying to think if there is any popular white music with a man and a woman singing a love song to each other.

I'm listening right now to Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty sing to each other.  But they are telling each other to "stop dragging my heart around."

I thought of Sheryl Crow and Kidd Rock.  But they sang about how each one of them was cheating on the other.

Bryan Adams and Barbara Streisand count.  That was at least 5 years ago.

Popular music today, I could name a half dozen songs like this in the black community.  Most of them absolutely suck, but they are singing to each other.

Can you think of any?
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

Amber

Surely Faith Hill and Tim McGraw have something together.

Did Britney and Justin do anything while together???  Eh, they were idiotic anyway.

Ahhhh, Jessica Simpson and her hubbie have one out right about now, "The Sweetest Sin."
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

Digital Underground- Do watchya like.
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
                         Adolph Hitler

"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
- Dr. Hans Bernd Gisevius
(1904-1974)

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