Short article about chivalry

[Suckerfish]

http://coedmagazine.com/sex/Guys-Room/3621

"The phrase "that's not how you treat a lady" has bothered me ever since I reached puberty. Who came up with the idea that women and women only deserve special respect? Is it not important enough to know how to "treat a man?" Does it not matter at all?"


Nothing new to most of us, but I'm glad to see something like this posted in a place I wouldn't expect it to be posted.

[The Gonzman]

Chivalry has traditionally been two way, requiring ladylike behavior from the recipients; modern feminism and Victorianism bastardized this into one-sided chivalry.

[typhonblue]

Chivalry has traditionally been two way, requiring ladylike behavior from the recipients; modern feminism and Victorianism bastardized this into one-sided chivalry.

Women have been the ones who defined 'lady-like behavior' for a long time.

They've just defined it differently this time around.

[The Gonzman]

Chivalry has traditionally been two way, requiring ladylike behavior from the recipients; modern feminism and Victorianism bastardized this into one-sided chivalry.

Women have been the ones who defined 'lady-like behavior' for a long time.

They've just defined it differently this time around.

Read your Capellanus and get back with me.

[no2fembots]

Chivalry has traditionally been two way, requiring ladylike behavior from the recipients; modern feminism and Victorianism bastardized this into one-sided chivalry.

Agreed.

This may shock the spit out of you guys, but I actually... open the car door for my lady!  And other chivalrous activities, too many to mention!

True femininity and true masculinity operate against and with the "other" to create a wonderful formula of behaviors.  We are created to work together and not as enemies.  Each brings to the equation unique strengths (and weaknesses), perspectives and power.  The whole is truly greater than the sum of the parts!

Of course, being human, we can ignore our biological imperatives if we choose; we can turn our backs to God - even if we don't believe in Him.  We can do what we like, really.  Trouble is, all behavior and every choice we make comes with consequences.

I'm rambling...  Simply put: codified male behavior reciprocated by the codified responses of the female part of the social equation can be quite splendid, indeed!

[shard43]

This may shock the spit out of you guys, but I actually... open the car door for my lady!  And other chivalrous activities, too many to mention!

You gotta do what you gotta do...

(to get laid)

Try telling your date that you believe in equality and she should pay up 50% of the date's cost and see how far you get. Most women are hypocrites of the highest order.

[dr e]

Or just tell her that 50% of the time in the relationship that the male should have the say on when and where and how to have sex.  That'l be a winner. 

[no2fembots]

This may shock the spit out of you guys, but I actually... open the car door for my lady!  And other chivalrous activities, too many to mention!

You gotta do what you gotta do...

(to get laid)

Try telling your date that you believe in equality and she should pay up 50% of the date's cost and see how far you get. Most women are hypocrites of the highest order.

This will REALLY shock you!

Not all women are c*nts!

Not all women are hypocrites of the highest order.

The woman in question is not my date, she will soon be my wife.  Rare as they may be, there are truly wonderful women out there...

She believes in TRUE equality: equality of opportunity NOT outcome is the only true measure of equality.

...She pays... I pay... no biggie. 

and I NEVER, even as a young man EVER, EVER, debased myself to get laid!  I have always had too much self respect!   

[dr e]

No2 - No one is saying that all women are cunts.  However, the prevailing customs of our culture are less than male friendly.  These are defaults.

[neonsamurai]

I agree with no2fembots.

I stopped saying "after you", and holding the doors for women years ago after mostly being ignored or not recieving a "thanks". However, there are some gals who DO deserve to be treated like ladies, because they are ladies (and there ain't many of them around anymore).

Actually what stuck with me was something one of the ladies here said once. To paraphrase; "If you treat every woman like a lady, then what's the point in actually being one?" Very profound IMHO.

So I will hold doors open for certain people because I know they'll repay the favour, others can get in line. Manners cost nothing but make a big difference.

[shard43]

This will REALLY shock you!

Not all women are c*nts!

Not all women are hypocrites of the highest order.

Not all, but most. And at the risk of making excuses for the dearies, what do you expect when you make it OK to be a c*unt or a c*ock?

Women who want equality everywhere but not where it disadvantages them - When society takes these women to task, then the few that still do it can rightfully be called names. Till then, live and let live.

[realman]

"You gotta do what you gotta do...

(to get laid)"

Which is what keeps the "pussy pass" alive and working generation after generation. Few men are willing to take  the personal hits involved in "just saying no" or have the moral compositon to "take one for the team"; and there are few women who have the moral composition to refuse to "go with the flow" and give up whatever perks come their way in life just for being female. Not much will change as long as men won't act collectively take the hit, because women are not going to collectively give up their power out of any sense of social repsonsibility... that sense will only be learned at such time as the "pussy pass" is rendered void and all women have to function on the same level playing field as men.

Until then, all we can do is enocurage other men to think and act for themselves and be thankful that once in a while we come across an individual woman with the moral composition to not take advantage of every pass/easy out/excuse/protection/special privilege available to her.

[no2fembots]

Shard43, I agree with you.  But so what?

I have made the choice to get as much happiness out of life while the getting is good.  And for me - as for most men and women - that means being with someone whom I love and who loves me.  The rare-as-hens teeth kind of love. 

I will treat her as special because she is!  Her kind are few and far between!  If my behavior contradicts MRA S.O.P., then so be it.

Yup, most women are twats (us the British accent when pronouncing that word  ). 

But society will NEVER hold them to task...the pussy pass will remain alive and well and most women will continue to want equality on their terms - which is not equality at all but special rights and privileges for being female.

Again... so what? 

When a horse is dead, fer chrissakes, stop kicking it!

[The Gonzman]

People keep forgetting that there are two parts to the carrot and stick approach - as said before, give 'em all a carrot, and there is no motivation to be decent (chivalry).

But you can't beat them with a stick all the time either...

[ramcharger1985]

I don't help women at all, because I have never had a woman help me ever in my life. If I see a woman with a problem, I don't even look her way. The way women treat men in this country is despicable, my attitude now is that they can find one of their own to help them, since they hate us men so much; that is what makes me angry the most. Women actually expect men to respect them and help them while hating us at the same time! If that isn't sick, than I don't know what is. And remember, they would never do the same for you.
Over the last couple of years, I must've put on a no bullshit aura, because women don't ask me for anything. To gain my respect, she has to prove herself to me first.

You gotta do what you gotta do...

(to get laid)

Chivalrous men don't get laid, lol. When I was in college, i used to think it was funny that all of these niceguys would follow these stupid skanks around thinking, hoping that they'd get a sliver of attention