Biblical Armageddon - bringing it on

Started by DavidByron, Oct 19, 2002, 08:22 AM

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One of the hot topics over the current war with Iraq is what the REAL motivation of the Bush administration is (since its painfully obvious their offered justifications are not real).  Some say its a personal/familly vendetta from George Bush's point of view - and he is known to take political opposition as a personal grudge (which in itself is incredibly dangerous and stupid).  Some say it is about Hitler-style world domination - again the foreign policy that bush produced does actually state that is an aim.  Many say its "all about oil", which is bound to be true at least to some extent of course, but more specificall it is perhaps about trying to reign in China by seeking to control oil supplies.

However the most frightening possibility is that Bush wants to bring about the biblical Armageddon and the subsequent Rapture as the Christian Evangelic groups who are his core support want.

As with the others this option sadly has a lot of evidence behind it.  here's a couple of pieces on this topic:

When we go to war in Iraq we will do so to summon the Messiah. That is what the Christian right believes. The final battle to rid the world of all non-believers, non-Christians, more exactly non-Evangelical Christians, is going to take place very soon at Armageddon in Israel. The Bible tells us so.

Rev. Jerry Falwell believes fully, and un-equivocally that we must go to war with Iraq to set in motion the cataclysmic events that will ensure the second coming of Jesus Christ. War with Iraq will lead to the end of the World, as we know it. God will reign and Jerry Falwell will sit at the right hand of God.

Israel will be no more. Israel will be destroyed during the apocalypse. Any Jews that survive anywhere will be converted to Christianity. Or more precisely, Evangelical Christianity. .....

The Christian right managed, through the rebirth of George Bush, to gain a good measure of influence over the most powerful nation on this earth. The Christian right believes that only the apocalypse will purify the souls of the heretics, and the United States will be the instrument to bring forth God's wrath. The great resources, the military might, of the United States is part of the divine plan to bring the Apocalypse upon us. ...

When President Bush told the Israelis to withdraw their tanks and troops from the occupied territories last April, Falwell sent him a letter of protest. Falwell had his followers send one hundred thousand emails to President Bush to support his demand. Israel did not withdraw its tanks and troops and George Bush stopped calling. George Bush has given Ariel Sharon a free hand since.

The Evangelicals are Bush's core support. They are the people who helped him defeat John McCain, who once called Jerry Falwell "evil".

What is frightening is the language President Bush uses when he describes Saddam and others as the "Evil Ones", the "Evil Doers," to incite the American people to war. They are the same descriptions; carrying the same religious connotations, that Jerry Falwell and his flock employ to describe non-believers. George Bush is a child of their beliefs. George Bush seems to believe he and Ariel Sharon are locked in a struggle together against the "Evil Ones" for the world's salvation.

Thousands of Evangelical Christians waving Israeli flags cheered last week as Knesset member Benny Elon called for the "relocation" of Palestinians from the West Bank into Jordan.

The enthusiastic crowd at the annual convention of the Christian Coalition in Washington also cheered House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, who urged activists to back pro-Israel candidates who "stand unashamedly for Jesus Christ."

Elon, whose Moledet Party advocates the "transfer" of Palestinians to Arab countries,said that a "resettlement" of the Palestinians is prescribed by the Bible. ...

Several prominent figures who spoke at the event, including DeLay, Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, did so before Elon took his turn at the podium. Since the rally, however, none have criticized Elon's call for transfer.

Elon, an Orthodox rabbi, "Let's turn to the Bible, which says very clearly... we have to resettle them, to relocate them, and to have a Jewish state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean."
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Your post is VERY VERY frightening and I think it tells a lot about the lunacy in several religious movements

... what is the worst - suicide bombers believing they will come to heaven or presidents trying to start harmageddon ...

... actually I think the last. Normally it would be enough to send anyone to an mental hospital!

(Read this though David )

It tells a lot (of course).
 would never join a club that would accept me as a member (Groucho Marx)


However - not all US christians are (luckily enough) war-mongers

... not even Bush's own church,6903,815626,00.html
 would never join a club that would accept me as a member (Groucho Marx)


I don't know much about this Falwel,but he doesn't look like a Christian to me. He seems like a ghost from the Middle Age...someone who would gladly burn witches and torture heretics.


Yeah the Methodists are doing well and so is the Anglican and Catholic church.  The baptists have backed the war and so do the so-called Evangelical nuts.  In Britain being evangelical doesn't mean being a bloodthirsty nutter.  Generally a poor score card for christians so-called, in the USA.  In the UK and elsewhere christian groups have universally condemned the war.
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That’s my feelings as well David. I try to shrug it off as just a conspiracy notion, but the evidence is stacking up.  It’s very frightening, this mixture of politics and fundamentalist religion.


stefen if you read the bible falwel looks exactly like a bible thumper fearing his punitive god character.

What makes U think Xians R good?  they R deluded.


Is Bush talking openly about the Anti-Christ now?

I'd become accustomed to George W. Bush's use of the word evil until he told the nation this last spring, "The evil one is among us." Anyone with a passing understanding of the evangelical world of Bush' faith knows he was referring to the Antichrist. The implications of this are grave beyond telling and yet scarcely ever noted in the public discourse. On the eve of a misguided war the Commander in Chief of the most powerful military force in human history has located American foreign policy within a Biblical narrative that leads inexorably towards the plains of Megiddo, roughly fifty five miles northwest of Jerusalem: the battle of Armageddon
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I would think you would like his style DB, you being someone who tells everyone in the US who votes their votes dont mean squat, yet their evil American leaders are in office because we're murderous bastards. :roll:
nd the time will come when you'll see we're all one and life flows on, within you and without you. - George Harrison

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