excellent comeback!

[Garak]

I won't show them my support by joining NOW.

Anyone joing NOW as an infiltrator should consider: will it achieve a gain for the advancement of men's interests that is sufficient to offset the damage done by the dues that are paid to join?

Right, John thinks it is worthwhile, I think it is not. Nothing more than a minor disagreement.

[Bobx23456]

Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways

2. Personal attacks are not allowed.

it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state

I don't have a problem with him calling all women cunts, I just won't do it because I know it is a discussion stopper and a mind closer.

Let's face it though Tony, it is hard to weed out the good from the bad and that is a tool feminists have in their favor. It is how men continue to get trapped. Most men would not step into the Lions Den if they KNEW there was a Lion in there. Too often the Lion comes out later after the doors are locked.

Good thought Garak,

I've come to the belief that females don't actually do discussion.  They do emotions.   Fifty years of reasoning with them has done no good at all.  They continue to use all those same old propaganda emotional appeals even though they all have been thoroughly disproved on a rational basis decades ago.  They aren't about truth, they are about emotional appeals.   Reasoning with them doesn't work.  Stopping discussion does no harm, they aren't listening anyway.  Getting their attention is difficult. Getting past their normal assumption that women rule is even harder.   Using harsh language lets them know that all their hate propagand isn't going to work.   It vexes them and they go away.  Good riddance.

Blessings

Bob

[Garak]

Dr E, I think bob is kind of whacked out in some ways

2. Personal attacks are not allowed.

it wasnt meant to be an attack bob, I actually like you
but to me calling all women cunts is downgrading some good ladies
we have spoken on other boards and  we both share libertarian leanings and philosophies about pro active resistance to the nanny state

I don't have a problem with him calling all women cunts, I just won't do it because I know it is a discussion stopper and a mind closer.

Let's face it though Tony, it is hard to weed out the good from the bad and that is a tool feminists have in their favor. It is how men continue to get trapped. Most men would not step into the Lions Den if they KNEW there was a Lion in there. Too often the Lion comes out later after the doors are locked.

Good thought Garak,

I've come to the belief that females don't actually do discussion.  They do emotions.   Fifty years of reasoning with them has done no good at all.  They continue to use all those same old propaganda emotional appeals even though they all have been thoroughly disproved on a rational basis decades ago.  They aren't about truth, they are about emotional appeals.   Reasoning with them doesn't work.  Stopping discussion does no harm, they aren't listening anyway.  Getting their attention is difficult. Getting past their normal assumption that women rule is even harder.   Using harsh language lets them know that all their hate propagand isn't going to work.   It vexes them and they go away.  Good riddance.

Blessings

Bob

Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.

[Bobx23456]

Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.

Well you are probably right about the fence sitters Garak.   But Bob favors manly action by men and doesn't concern himself with trying to convince the females who might be sympathetic.   I don't see where that has worked for the past century.   I don't see where it will help now.   You may be right, however.  We just don't agree on it.

Blessings

Bob

[Garak]

Well yes Bob, trying to make the feminists understand is a fruitless endeavor (which is why joining NOW is pointless in my mind). However, there are always those fence sitters who haven't heard a mans side of the debate. They are more likely to default to the familiar, feminist side if you use words like bitch, cunt, whore, slut, etc... or if you say "they belong in the kitchen". To think it is one thing, to say it in a debate is damaging given the current feminist-favored mindset of the fence sitters.

Well you are probably right about the fence sitters Garak.   But Bob favors manly action by men and doesn't concern himself with trying to convince the females who might be sympathetic.   I don't see where that has worked for the past century.   I don't see where it will help now.   You may be right, however.  We just don't agree on it.

Blessings

Bob

Many of the fence sitters are men.

Men who got screwed in a divorce but haven't had an outlet to talk about it. At one time, I would dare say that all of us were feminist-minded.

[Cordell Walker]

and the thing is, feminism is just one symptom, not the disease
we over the past 80-120 years have been moving in a collectivist/socialist direction  where people now are not learning to see themselves as idividuals but as members of an identity group and want a big brother/nanny state to protect them from "oppressors"

[BRIAN]

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.

[Garak]

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.

The RADFEMS would say it anyway and as usual they would need no proof.

[Cordell Walker]

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us. I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.

good post....................but I cant resist.....its PRETENTIOUS LOLOLOLOLOL(I finally get to correct someones spelling LOLOLOL nanana na na, you cant catch me

[CaptDMO]

Anyone joining NOW as an infiltrator should consider: will it achieve a gain for the advancement of men's interests that is sufficient to offset the damage done by the dues that are paid to join?

Good Question!
Look up, and Ask-
Warren Farrell (not really fair to say his interest was infiltration)
Gloria Steinem (really fair to say her interest was infiltration)

There's no harm in the M. Moore theory of buy ONE share of stock, so
that time consuming winge time cannot be denied at the polite and civil
stockholder open forum.
'Course, that can be ultimately unhealthy in, say, organized labor union meetings.

[CaptDMO]

(I finally get to correct someones spelling LOLOLOL nanana na na, you cant catch me

;-)
Keep your eye on my posts, especially where a letter "u" should be, or auto-repeat of vooweels. *sigh* I suspect your chance will come again!

[dr e]

Bob - You are welcome here as long as you abide by the rules.  It seems you have already had a look at them.  Good.  Note the one about generalizations.  You are close to breaking that one already.  Please use caution.

Do you continue to have concern that Tony described you as "whacked out?"  Those of us who know Tony understand his manner of descriptions as relating more to your way of thinking than your way of being.  IOW's he was describing your ideology not your person.  People's ideology is fair game for criticism their person is not.

I am in great agreement that we have passed the point in our culture where being nice is going to make great inroads.  I have spent a number of years trying to get the attention of those on Capital Hill and being nice has done absolutely nothing.  We are in desperate need of ways to get our message out to the public.  As Tony has pointed out though, each movement has relied on a multi-faceted approach which included a wide range from radicals to sweet talkers.  I think we need many more of both.  We are losing badly.

[Cordell Walker]

LOL I was jackin with BRIAN because of my own notorious spelling defeciencies
I went to Publik Skule

[Bobx23456]

I do not think BOB is doing anything but giving the RADFEMS ammunition to say all people involved in Mens and Fathers rights issues are woman haters who want to turn women into chattels. The RADFEMS will cherry pick and take these things to the MSM and that will work to dis-credit us.

Radfems don't need a reason.  Radfems are the enemies of men because they are radfems, not because of Bob or any other man.   They hate men who will stand against them and speak of their evil.   If they are angry at Bob or any other man its because men are at last calling them on their feminist hate of all men. 

Radfems believe that all men hate them, because they hate all men.   Nothing any man can do will cause radfems to hate us, they do that because of who they are.

I am the father of a daughter I want her to be and do what ever she wants. After reading the screeds BOB posts on his blog I get the feeling he is opposed to my daughter having any choices other than those he deems appropriate, That doesn't sit well with me since I am for FREEDOM and EQUALITY for everyone. BOB seems to be the male equivilent of the very worst of the RADFEMS and it is allways a bad idea to become what you behold with contempt. BOB also likes to refer to himself in third person that I find pretensous and annoying.

Being the father of a daughter is not a reason to support feminism in my opinion. One of the ways that feminism has won over men is to use the fiction of "my daughter" to recruit the support of fathers. While I can understand a man's feelings for his own daughter, promoting feminism for the benefit of daughters actually hurts daughters more than it helps.

In addition, you sound like you have misread Bob's blog and opinions. Bob supports the freedom of young women to have good families and a good life, and not be forced by feminists into the feminist dominated hate world of their creation. Freedom for young women does not force them into having bastard babies because they can't get a good marriage -- its illegal under feminism. Feminism hurts women, hurts families, and hurts daughters in a thousand ways. Feminism destroys their lives and families. Feminism turns them into angry hate filled feminists who can not be good wives and mothers. Feminists have always opposed families and marriage. That has not been good for women, daughters, or anyone else.

A fathers who really cares about his daughters does not support forcing her into the false feminist life plan and allows her the freedom to be a wife and mother.


Blessings

Bob

[Garak]

I have read on another site (mensactivism.org I think) about our biggest enemies being the father of daughters.

I am a father of a daughter but I can see the point clearly. Supporting feminism doesn't help women and so it won't help our daughters.

The idea that our daughters should be able to do anything they want is funny because we don't say the same to our sons. Our sons are expected to be breadwinners and the concept of a stay at home dad is still not acceptable. This is showing favortism to daughters. If men are stuck to our traditional roles, so then should be women.