1 in 3 Women.....

[Virtue]

Hrmm the other post 1/3 of moms have cheated posted by Peter

http://standyourground.com/forums/index.php?topic=15974.0


Now look at

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/05/10/shock-as-paternity-tests-reveal-different-dads-89520-20413010/

More than one in three women seeking paternity tests discover that the man they thought was the father of their child is not the biological dad.

Some mums needed tests done on five different men to identify the real father.

In the past year, the number of women giving the wrong name as parent of their child has gone up to five per cent to 39 per cent, according to paternity testing firm Anglia DNA. Director Dr Thomas Haizel said in such cases, women were asked to name the men they had had sex with in the month leading up to becoming pregnant.

He added: "One client gave up, claiming, 'It could be any number of people'. The same woman had already tried five different potential fathers with no positive result."


Now,.....take the worst case scenario......that of no contraception being used at all by the cheating women.

1/3 cheat and 1/3 have children whom have unknown or questionable paternity.


Simple math right?......no its MUCH WORSE


Worst case scenario these women use no contraception.......the pregnancy rate for no contraception at all is 50%


That means in order to get the 1/3 questionable paternity numbers......2/3's of women have to be cheating.


Yes there are tons of variables that are not taken into consideration  but basic probability tells us that all those variables tend to cancel out.


Which leaves 60 % of women in western culture as .......well Whores.

[Cordell Walker]

this kid  came  home and asked his dad  what the difference between potential and reality was
dad told him to go ask his mother if she would sleep with brad pitt for a million dollars
mom said  "hell yes", then the kid asked his sister, who also  emphatically said  yes. then coming back down the hallway, he asked his  brother, who replied "yeah, a million is a lot of money"
he went back and told his dad what  happened, and his dad told him
the difference in potential and reality is this
you have three potential millionaires in yoru  house, but the reality is you live with two whores and a fag"

[Aegis]

The 1/3 figure only refers to British mums who have sought a paternity test.  It doesn't refer to the proportion in the population that have cheated.

There are other sources for estimating that figure, surveys usually.

[Virtue]

There are other sources for estimating that figure, surveys usually.

You are correct......the study I had in mind was the result of doctors doing genetic research on certain genetic disorders.....when they found the same % of illegitimacy.

[bluegrass]

I've chime in on this before regarding personal experience.

When I was younger I worked as a technician in a genetics research lab.  We were looking for an inherited gene for ALS.  We gathered samples from families that had the disease and did genetic analysis to see which parts of chromosomes were migrating with the affected.

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

[Peter]

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

It is probable that the "ladies" use some contraception when having sexual intercourse with someone else than her husband, thus lending credibility to some rather high estimate for infidelity.

Have anyone seen any breakdown of the frequency of illegitimacy over social class?


Or, maybe, any correlation between illegitimacy and illiteracy?   

[Quentin0352]

I used to have an article about a study done that found 10% in the USA and it also referenced other studies saying the same in most western nations.

[Thomas]

bluegrass wrote:

When I was younger I worked as a technician in a genetics research lab.  We were looking for an inherited gene for ALS.  We gathered samples from families that had the disease and did genetic analysis to see which parts of chromosomes were migrating with the affected.

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

It's valuable to have someone on this board who has actually been involved in such research. It's a pretty common mistake to take the results of self-selected groups (men or women who aren't sure about paternity, for example) and extend those results to the population as a whole. Every reputable study that I've read about (sorry, no links or citations handy) put the rate of paternity-defrauded men at 5% to 10%. Of course, the rate of affairs would be higher, because not every affair would lead to a birth.

Aegis wrote:

The 1/3 figure only refers to British mums who have sought a paternity test.  It doesn't refer to the proportion in the population that have cheated.

Spot on!

[Aegis]

I've chime in on this before regarding personal experience.

When I was younger I worked as a technician in a genetics research lab.  We were looking for an inherited gene for ALS.  We gathered samples from families that had the disease and did genetic analysis to see which parts of chromosomes were migrating with the affected.

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

You were involved in finding the SOD1 gene in '93?

[Mr. Bad]

I've chime in on this before regarding personal experience.

When I was younger I worked as a technician in a genetics research lab.  We were looking for an inherited gene for ALS.  We gathered samples from families that had the disease and did genetic analysis to see which parts of chromosomes were migrating with the affected.

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

Your example still doesn't represent the general case: Due to sample bias it represents only the sub-population that 1) experiences ALS, and 2) has the means to avail themselves to medical services that includes advanced genetic testing.  I'm positive you were missing out on a significant sector of the population based on SES, employment status, etc.   And certainly one would expect that patterns of female infidelity would vary by such things as SES, employment status, etc. 

[Kyo]

I've chime in on this before regarding personal experience.

When I was younger I worked as a technician in a genetics research lab.  We were looking for an inherited gene for ALS.  We gathered samples from families that had the disease and did genetic analysis to see which parts of chromosomes were migrating with the affected.

We found a steady 5% non-paternity.

Your example still doesn't represent the general case: Due to sample bias it represents only the sub-population that 1) experiences ALS, and 2) has the means to avail themselves to medical services that includes advanced genetic testing.  I'm positive you were missing out on a significant sector of the population based on SES, employment status, etc.   And certainly one would expect that patterns of female infidelity would vary by such things as SES, employment status, etc. 

Also consider mothers who refuse to participate in any kind of DNA-onvliving testing because they fear their secret being revealed.  This would support a figure of over 5%.

[Quentin0352]

Also remember that medical ethics has already decided that even when it is discovered doctors can't tell the guy.

[Cordell Walker]

thats kinda backwards, it would seem they would be obligated to tell the "father"