Judges make justice unaffordable.....again

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Judges make justice unaffordable.....again

Karen Selick,

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=967648



The Supreme Court of Canada recently refused to hear an appeal in LeVan vs. LeVan, thereby passing up a splendid chance to undo mischief done by Ontario's lower courts. The facts of the case include more wrinkles than can possibly be described here.



However, in a nutshell, the lower courts nullified a marriage contract under which the wife had apparently agreed, in case of a separation, to forego the property equalization and spousal support rights that Ontario law would normally bestow.



Seven years after marriage, the couple split. Ms. LeVan applied to the court for all the things the contract said she wouldn't get, and the court obliged: $5.3-million in property equalization and $79,680 yearly in spousal support.



The court found the contract "unfair" for several reasons, but the one I want to focus on is the fact that the husband had not disclosed in advance the value of his assets. His family owned a controlling interest in a large company. In other words, Mr. LeVan was rich, but he neglected to tell his fiancee. What he did tell her was that if she didn't sign the marriage contract, there'd be no wedding.



Putting it bluntly, the bride had two options: either sign the contract and get virtually none of the husband's money, or not get married at all -- in which case she would obviously get none of the husband's money. Note that both options included the part about not getting any significant amount of the husband's money. Therefore, how could it have mattered whether she knew the dollar value of his assets, since she wasn't going to get any of them either way? Zero percent of any number is still zero.



Now, it's possible that Ms. LeVan didn't actually understand that she wouldn't be getting any of her husband's money. The contract was such a hasty, botched-up mess that it's not even clear whether the dyslexic husband or the three lawyers involved in negotiating it understood the final product. But that's a different issue.



My beef is that the courts have now made it virtually mandatory for betrothed individuals to disclose a dollar value for their assets, supported by independent appraisals, even if their marriage contract denies them any rights to each other's wealth.



Our paternalistic courts have held that without knowing "what asset base might potentially grow," couples can't understand what they are giving up. So even if they're determined to marry for love rather than money, they've got to produce those numbers.



During the negotiations, Mr. Le-Van's lawyer had responded to a request for financial disclosure with the objection that a "full-blown valuation" would cost "at least $10,000."   Ha!



By the time the trial was over, the wife's appraiser had billed $244,753 for valuing the husband's assets and appearing as a witness. The husband's appraiser said the valuations would cost over $500,000.



Faced with such costs, what people in their right minds would ever get marriage contracts prepared? Even my middle-class clients will look askance at paying $1,000 extra to have their houses and pensions appraised when the outcome won't make one iota of difference. How many people have been effectively deprived of their statutory right to opt out of property equalization?



The ultimate irony is that the Supreme Court's decision not to tackle this case was made by a panel of three judges including Justice Ian Binnie. In a 1999 speech, Judge Binnie denounced "astronomical" legal expenses, saying "I am staggered at the amount of money law firms can burn up in addressing issues ... thousands and thousands."



Then, in a letter published here in the Post, he wrote: "The fault lies with the structure of civil litigation, which pushes conscientious lawyers to engage in lengthy pre-trial procedures that are out of proportion to the matter in issue and are in that sense 'unnecessary' to produce a just result." I responded in these pages with a column arguing that, frequently, it is judges who make justice unaffordable.



Judge Binnie, it seems this is another case where you judges were not part of the solution. Which means ...






so pre-nups are now garbage?


Virtue

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so pre-nups are now garbage?


Don't know about Canada but here in the States pre-nups have been worthless for a long time.
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What he did tell her was that if she didn't sign the marriage contract, there'd be no wedding.


Here in the States that's called "duress" (legalease not a true definition) and no contract signed under duress is valid.

fucking cunts (referring to judges and lawyers here I would never make such a blanket statement about women =P)
Imagine waking up tomorrow to find
that unbelievably rape is now legal.

You would be freaking out, telling everyone you ran into this is crazy- something needs to be done... now!!! And then every man you told this to just very smugly and condescendingly says...

"Hey... not all men are 'like that.'"

Galt

I wouldn't rely on a prenuptial agreement.

There are a whole lot of cases - famous, not-so-famous and non-famous - in which the judge simply gave the woman the money anyway.

A very famous case was Steven Spielberg versus Amy Irving: Spielberg thought he was covered by a prenuptial agreement, but after only a few years of marriage, she divorced him and got half of his fortune at that time.

Not disclosing your assets (EVERY PENNY of EVERY ASSET) is one way judges invalidate these agreements. The post here relates to Canada, but that's pretty much standard practice in the US.

Another biggee is not paying for an independent lawyer for the wife. She will claim that she didn't understand it anyway, but it's harder to do when she has her own lawyer.

Frankly ... why get married? Especially if she may turn out to be what these women above turned out to be (I didn't even mention Heather Mills).

poiuyt

But when the shoe is on rthe other foot ... hell hath no fury like a rich woman

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7740383.stm

Pop star Madonna and her film director husband Guy Ritchie are to be divorced at the High Court in London on Friday, according to court lists.

According to The Times newspaper, the 50-year-old singer will retain the bulk of her wealth, estimated to be £300 million.



For since when was this an excuse for rich men

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7672083.stm

The Sunday Times Rich List estimated that Madonna and Ritchie had a joint fortune of £300m, with most of that earned by the singer in her recording career.

"We have this basic yardstick of equality and they look at 50-50," Mr Kaufman told the BBC News website.

"You depart from it only if there's good reason to do so.

"In this sort of case, she's bound to be saying - and you couldn't really argue - there's massive reasons to depart from it.

"Because she will say, 'It's an eight-year marriage and a big chunk of wealth I already had before the marriage was started. Why should I share it?'"





Mr. X

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"In this sort of case, she's bound to be saying - and you couldn't really argue - there's massive reasons to depart from it.

"Because she will say, 'It's an eight-year marriage and a big chunk of wealth I already had before the marriage was started. Why should I share it?'"


Tell that to Paul McCartney.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

Virtue

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Tell that to Paul McCartney.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Imagine waking up tomorrow to find
that unbelievably rape is now legal.

You would be freaking out, telling everyone you ran into this is crazy- something needs to be done... now!!! And then every man you told this to just very smugly and condescendingly says...

"Hey... not all men are 'like that.'"

Libertariandadd

I dont believe in "prenups". I just believe in hiding assets. If "Mrs Wrong" wants to filch my dough through the evil divorce industry she'd better be prepared to spend the rest of her life on some south pacific island....alone.
'It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.' George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

neoteny

Well, I've read through the judgement, and it seems that the (ex-)husband indeed fucked up real good. Canadian law requires disclosure of income and net worth in contemplation of signing a prenup; he put heavy pressure on her to sign very close to the long pre-planned wedding... and considering everything, the judge awarded only 15% of his monies to her. It may be that he shouldn't have married her, but he did - and did it the wrong way. Tough.
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