probation without charges?

Started by treb, Jan 22, 2009, 12:49 PM

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Im new here, I have been searching the internet for a support group such as this.

this is a copy of a letter I sent to a defense lawyer. and its my story.

Maybe you can tell me if what happened to me is even legal under the Canadian constitution.

I moved back to Toronto after 10+ years, and contact old friends and girlfriends. One old girlfriend (whom I haven't seen in 14 years) went to the police and told them that I was stocking her and that I was a threat to her life. (her evidence being the three emails I sent asking if she wanted to get together for a coffee) The police leave a message on my phone asking me to contact them regarding a investigation. I was given a phone number to contact them, this phone number didn't work. (I found out from the police switch board that the number belonged to a officer that retired some months earlier) The investigating officer gave me a false number to contact, I'm assuming to make it appear to her superiors that I was trying to evade the police. After several weeks, the Investigating officer finally did make contact with me, and asked me to come to the police station (52 division) and asked if I could help them with a investigation, but as soon as I arrived at the police station, I was placed in cuffs, and told I was being charged with criminal harassment.

I was then interviewed by the investigating officer, who said "I don't need to hear any more of this" after two sentences of my side of the story. (the officer clearly wasn't interested in my side of the story, therefore not interested in justice) After sitting in a holding cell for 15 min, I was released with a promise to appear.
My ex girlfriends statement to the police was composed entirely of lies about things that I had supposedly done 14 years ago. She also told the police that my father was abusive to my mother. (this had lead to harassing phone calls to my parents, by the investigating officer, these still continue to this day, almost a year after the trial) My ex even went as far as to hang wanted poster of me around Toronto, with my picture on it stating "if you see this man call the police"

All through the preliminary trials the crown constantly referred to my singular charge as "Charges in a domestic dispute" to the JP. Again I assume this is to exaggerate the situation to the JP.

I did not have a lawyer during any of the trials.

Before the trial I went to the subpoena office, and had my ex girlfriends mother added as a witness on my behave. (Ironically the crown attorney was also the person in charge of subpoenas, and she took the required info for the subpoena) or so I thought.
The day of the trial, I was told by the crown and investigating officer that my ex was too afraid to be in court with me, and that they want me to plead guilty to avoid jail time, I told them that I want a trial. I then asked the crown attorney if she had subpoenaed my exs mother, I was told that my ex didn't want her mother involved in the case, so the crown never filed the subpoena request. So my only hope to have this situation cleared was taken away from me.

The crown and investigating officer then told me I could avoid jail time if I joined a program called P.A.R.s (Partner Abuse Response) Unfortunate no one, not even the court adviser would tell me exactly what this program was, or the fact that I would have to pay for this out of my own pocket)
I was simply told "Its a program for men with your mental problems" I agreed to the program just to simply end the court proceedings, not knowing what it was. I was then lead to a JPs/judges chambers and asked to sign some documents, after signing these documents, I was then told by the JP/Judge "YOU ARE NOW UNDER PROBATION"
Can you put someone on probation, who has never been convicted of a crime?? or was I tricked by the crown into signing my rights away?

I went to my first PARs class, only to find its a program for men who have been charged with domestic abuse, I immediately told the consoler that a mistake had been made, and that I should not be in the program, I was then told that if I didn't attend the program, I would be arrested and jailed for breach of probation.
All during the PARs program, the investigating officer would call my parents and ask them if they knew where I was, and if they had my phone number. I have given this officer my address and phone number three times, why she continues to call my parents and harass them is beyond any logic I find.

I have considered suing my ex for slander (the wanted posters she hung around Toronto) but I'm more concerned about the complete lack of ethics in the family court system, and the anti-male bias is just astounding.
Is any of this even legal? has the charter of rights been ignored?


The law does not apply when they want to nail a guy. Trust me, it is the same in the USA. My ex-wife accused me of everything under the sun and they ALWAYS investigated but my asking them to investigate suspicious bruises and broken bones on our children was "a civil court matter" or I would be called in and they would toss the complaint away right in front of me after tearing it up saying my ex had accused me of something and they were going to nail me one way or another.

Five years later and after her boyfriend has been raping our daughter for 2 years my ex STILL tries to claim it was me not him and though I have a cop who actually belives me and our daughter he can't do shit since my ex killed the believability of our daughter with all her false accusations of me being a molester.

But hey, the system doesn't give a shit how many they destroy in the name of feminism.

dr e

Welcome Treb.  That's a tough story.  So sorry you had to endure that nonsense.  Sadly, it is not atypical.  I think you will likely find others here who have had similar experiences.

Did you finish the program?  Do you remain on probation?
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.


I have no idea if Iwas even on probation in the first place, As I had no propation officer to report to, and there was no crime associated with the probation (in the paper work)

I finished the program, I  sat there with my arms folded and protested my presence there the whole time.

The PARs team present the judge a document saying that I had acknowledged I was abusive to women.
(which I never did, I never admited guilt to anything at any point)

I had never seen this document till months after when I requested the conclusions from the program.


I have considered suing my ex for slander (the wanted posters she hung around Toronto) but I'm more concerned about the complete lack of ethics in the family court system, and the anti-male bias is just astounding.
Is any of this even legal? has the charter of rights been ignored?

You've CONSIDERED suing your ex for slander? I would've done that yesterday...and the police in the matter as well...but I don't know what the laws in Canada are like. Obviously they suck.
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Sorry to hear of that horrible story.

Yes, the courts are very anti-male right now.  Feminism has turned the entire legal system against men in any issues involving interactions between men and women, regardless of the context.

Courts can impose probation as a part of a plea bargain arrangement, even if there was no underlying crime.  It's a part of the PC culture -- you're accused of something, and they send you to therapy for it, because the women who run these systems believe (1) if men are accused, 99% of the time they did what they are accused of (obvious misandrist bias) and (2) all men need to be de-programmed and re-programmed by therapy so that they can become suitably docile men.

The system sucks.  But suing her won't get you anywhere, really.  I would simply give her a very wide berth -- she's a vindictive person, and she's well aware of how to use the legal system to destroy men.


The best option you have is to fight....get a all the details about the trial on facebook and your local news station and get the light of day into your trial.

The truth is your greatest ally.

and yeah its gonna cost you a lot to fight this.
Imagine waking up tomorrow to find
that unbelievably rape is now legal.

You would be freaking out, telling everyone you ran into this is crazy- something needs to be done... now!!! And then every man you told this to just very smugly and condescendingly says...

"Hey... not all men are 'like that.'"


The PARs team present the judge a document saying that I had acknowledged I was abusive to women.
(which I never did, I never admited guilt to anything at any point)

even walking into this class is an admission of guilt ,if you answer the questions =guilty-if you don't answer the questions=guilty

i went-as it was advertized as help for men-what it was,was a shaming project where you have no chance of innocence-meant to degrade you even more than what you have already been through.

There is one good side to doing this course though-and that is that you can truly see the hate that the feminazi nation has instilled on men

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