Our prisons are failing women - according to Gaurdian article!!!

Started by Tigerman, May 15, 2009, 12:57 PM

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The sheer misandry and sexism in this article has to be read to be believed - quite a few CIF'ers (comment is free posters) have been doing their best to point out the blatant flaws in this article but it seems the sistahs have called in some reinforcements - anyone who wants to ensure the voice of reason is not drowned out should come on down and have at it. Of course you would have to register to comment but it is free and doesn't ask for too many details.
Here is a taster quote but be warned it gets worse as the article goes on:
In pay, pensions, politics and promotion, the gender gap is a disgrace. But in justice, women face a national scandal. A report published today by the Fawcett Society reveals a justice system that is "institutionally sexist". This is of no surprise to organisations such as the Howard League, which have long campaigned against the hopeless situation of women rotting in our prisons.

Here is the link Our prisons are failing women


The thread is now closed. Thanks to anyone that came along.  :toothy9:


Further important noteworthy issues surrounding the corruption, imorality, the open discrimination and the overweening self importance of these institutions, public and private are set out below.

Bad discriminatory laws and customs will always emanate from a legislature or other institution, public or private, whose members are subject to a separate set of rules and morals. That is different from the ordinary rules and morals for ordinary members of society.

The bad discriminatory laws and customs emanating from the UK parliament and other institutions are a perfect reflection of the badness arising from the self serving practice of institutionalising separate rules and morals. That is for themselves and thus women as a separate group and a superior subject.

Females in society have come to expect to be treated as separate and above rules and morals, precisely because their parliamentary and other institutional enablers have subjected themselves to different and more favourable rules and morals. That is different and more favourable rules and morals over which they stand as superior to ordinary people.

A just and peaceful society requires that all and sundry, male or female, including institutions public or private, are subject to the same rules and morals. Something for wich many a western or eastern society is a very long way off from despite protestations to the contrary.


Well said poiuyt - to put what you said into even more a succinct form is to simply state that we now live under a feminist orthodoxy(and not the 'nice' feminism either but rather it's nasty sister the victimology focused radical form).


The sheer misandry and sexism in this article has to be read to be believed

Look, it was written by someone with the name Frances Crook... maybe nomen est omen:rolle:
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical


Yup, a woman wrote it if you look at things. Sher is also the director of the Howard League for Penal Reform so not exactly an unbiased source. I have to admit she is improving though. Compared to her 2006 article stating that all female prisons shoudl be closed and women just given community programs instead without any lock-up.


The Howard League for Penal Reform, of which I am director, today launches a new Prison Information Bulletin (pdf) on women and girls in the penal system, calling on the government to start a programme of closures of women's prisons, and a transfer of resources to community programmes and treatment facilities that tackle women's needs and reduce re-offending.

We are not arguing that men and women should be treated differently as a matter of principle; rather, it is a pragmatic suggestion. The door is already ajar, with the Home Office at least recognising that too many of the women currently in prison should not be there. Women prisoners represent a discrete and relatively small group compared to men, and so real change can be made quickly.

Two thirds of women received into prison are on remand and most will either be found not guilty or receive a community sentence; this begs the question: why were they were sent to prison in the first place? Very few women are sentenced for serious and violent offences, out of 12,500 women sent to prison fewer than 500 were sentenced to more than four years and only 20 for life. This means that the overwhelming majority of women today should simply not be in prison.

56 women have taken their own lives in prison in the last five years and every day hundreds cut themselves or otherwise self-harm. The Howard League for Penal Reform's legal team is acting for a young girl who was held in virtual solitary confinement for weeks on end in prison and self-injured so badly she had to go to hospital for blood transfusions. We eventually forced a move to a mental hospital where she has been getting the psychiatric treatment she so badly needed and her self-harming has reduced dramatically.

Eight out of ten women in prison suffer from a diagnosable mental health problem and most are drug and/or alcohol dependent. Prisons are not the places to solve these wider social challenges.

Women prisoners suffer from the vicissitudes of penal policy. Following the public furore, male foreign national prisoners were transferred out of open prisons and women had to be moved out of closed prisons to make room for them. Hundreds of women were shunted round the country and crammed into prisons that are now struggling to cope.

The prison system is failing women and failing local communities.

We are not suggesting that all women's prisons be closed forthwith. We are asking the government to consult staff, sentencers and the public and start a planned programme of closures and at the same time a reallocation of resources into community sentences for women.

Everybody wins from this. The reoffending rate of women released from prison is far higher than for women completing community sentences, so a shift from one to the other will result in less crime. There would be fewer victims, who, in addition, can directly benefit from high quality community sentences based on restitution. The community benefits from unpaid work. The taxpayer benefits because prison is always the most expensive option. Their children benefit from not being separated from mum. And the women themselves benefit, as their often-chaotic lives are not devastated by prison.


My first reaction: equal time and equal punishment for equal crimes.  Second reaction: if don't like the way that your gender is being treated in prison, ladies, then do not do anything that would warrant imprisonment!

Don't think prisons are "fair!" ?  Boo F***** Hoo. Cry me a river.   :bawl:
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
-- General Dwight D.  Eisenhower. 

"Be bold and courageous.  When you look back on your life, you'll regret the things you didn't do more than the ones you did."
-- Unknown.

dr e

This is so stupid it is funny!   :laughing6:


Everybody wins from this. The reoffending rate of women released from prison is far higher than for women completing community sentences, so a shift from one to the other will result in less crime.

So magically if you move the prison females to comminity sentences they will do much better?  Are you kidding me?  If that is the case then why not do the same thing for the men?

Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.


Could be because women in community service commit different, lesser crimes - and usually have much less of a criminal background - than women serving hard time in prison.

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